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[Pick 67] Davis Mills QB Stanford
- Thread starter AcresHomesTexan
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welsh texan
You may say I’m a dreamer but I’m not the only one
Don’t forget the Tim Kelly wave we ride here. He prepared a good 4 quarters last week, so this week he only shows up in the first half before getting out manouvered by a rookie DC who took everything he wanted to do away.
Mills, for me, looked ok again yesterday, several rookie throws that he will need to grow out of, if he wants to be a franchise QB. There were also a few great throws in there which we weren’t seeing at all early in the season.
Mills also took a couple of hits yesterday.
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My source is NFL.COM. It appears the NFL.COM drive summary included the kickoff in the number of offensive plays.
Houston Texans at San Francisco 49ers 2021 REG 17 - Game Center (nfl.com)
That's an error on their part. Kick returns are not considered offensive plays.
KoolAid Sipper
AFCEVET
That's correct, on kickoffs, the kicking team is on offense and the return team is on defense. However I believe it is also considered a change of possession. I wonder if NFL.com is tallying possessions and calling them plays?
SnakeEyes
Under NRG
Right now we pick 3rd. I honestly would go after either of the top 2 edge guys. If both are gone, trade down. Get 2 picks in the 1st, a bit later. Instead of the 3rd we would have like the 9th and 28th. And likely a middle 2nd also. I would happily take that. Fill more holes and getting more picks is never really a bad thing.
I think they are only doing it on their game summary. The summary is showing the result of the possession (Punt). The Gamebook is more accurate than their game summary. Go figure.That's correct, on kickoffs, the kicking team is on offense and the return team is on defense. However I believe it is also considered a change of possession. I wonder if NFL.com is tallying possessions and calling them plays?
Speedy
Former Yeller Dweller
Odd that the Gamebook, which also comes from NFL.com, has it correct.That's correct, on kickoffs, the kicking team is on offense and the return team is on defense. However I believe it is also considered a change of possession. I wonder if NFL.com is tallying possessions and calling them plays?
Number19
Hall of Fame
Too many variables and scenarios. Last time the Texans waited too long before hiring Culley. This next time, whenever, they'll be making their changes early. We may know next week.
Number19
Hall of Fame
New league rules allow teams to interview candidates while still under contract, provided the opening exists. This is one reason being suggested why the Texans could be making their decision next week.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
And advance Pep to OC.
cuppacoffee
Resident Grouch
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SnakeEyes
Under NRG
Been hearing many podcast hosts saying that they feel Pep should be OC in 2022. Some other "experts" also have said it
leebigeztx
Keep it Movin!
Here is what you posted. Just a reminder before you crawfish on me
I said a contender, nowhere did I say an AFCCG.
What I meant was 2 full drafts and you should've known this by that post. Sorry if I wasn't clear. The 2024 season will have 2 full draft classes on the team. Now that timeline could be accelerated if Derrick doesn't end up in prison.
leebigeztx
Keep it Movin!
I asked you what is a contender and you said afccg. I asked for clarification and you said afccg. Do I need to pull that one too?
Can you freaking read , I said if i said that , then I was wrong.
Nowhere in the post you quoted did I say that.
Again for the 3rd time, I think it's reasonable to give Caserio a couple of full drafts before expecting a playoff level contending team. Hopefully more depending on if he nails the draft
Apparently you have different expectations than I do. When I asked you what your expectations are, I didn't get an answer. I guess you're to busy hoping Mills fails to provide an answer. Wonder why that is? Because you certainly didn't provide me reasons why he would fail. You know things like arm strength/accuracy/anticipation etc... And this is despite me showing you how he's been improving and been the best rookie QB in the NFL for the last month. Plus with his inexperience he should only continue to improve as he gets more help around him and yes it's going to take a couple of drafts to put talent around him
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IIRC, you said contending to go to an AFCCG, not that they had to reach that to be a contender...
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Yep, for some reason he's trying to switch my words around.Nowhere will you find that I said that the Texans will be in the AFCCG 3 yrs from now. Although if Caserio nails a couple of drafts and they get a bounty of picks for Derrick it could happen I suppose.
michaelm
vox nihili
It doesn't tell the whole story because it's not meant to tell the whole story.
Red zone performance has always been an important stand alone metric.
TexansBull
Hall of Fame
Mills did look better this last game than what I remembered Hoyer, Mallett, and Osweiler. He is headed in the right direction.
Was that bar too low for a third round rookie?
As long as he continues his upward trend, the play calling gets better, and he gets more help in the line and running backs there shouldn’t be a reason he doesn’t get better.
Was that bar too low for a third round rookie?
As long as he continues his upward trend, the play calling gets better, and he gets more help in the line and running backs there shouldn’t be a reason he doesn’t get better.
No, not at all.
In other news, Coach Culley looked better this last game than what I remembered from Ed Biles, Chuck Studley, and Hugh Campbell.
Actually over the last month Mills looked good for a 1st Rd pick
Yeah. If we had drafted Mills with a 1st round pick I’d be very happy with his rookie season & looking forward to year two.
There's nothing that says you can't be thankful Mills fell to the 3rd and be happy.
Texansballer74
The Marine
Y’all do remember the reports that said if Mills would’ve stayed another year, that he would be drafted in the first round. And that he would’ve been the best quarterback in that class.
Thorn
Dirty Old Man
I'm happy with Mills for now. Having Mills means we don't have to use our high 1st round pick on a QB which isn't worth it this year. Which also means that if Mills isn't the answer we can take a QB in 2023, but with (probably) a lower round pick which also means we still probably won't get a really great one if we need one.
Which is all the thinking I need to do today. I might schedule some more thinking for tomorrow if I think about it.
Which is all the thinking I need to do today. I might schedule some more thinking for tomorrow if I think about it.
KoolAid Sipper
AFCEVET
Where is it, you know you left it out on purpose...LOL
No. Didn’t leave it out. The Texans should move forward with Mills the same way New England will move forward with Jones, NYJets with Wilson, Chicago with Fields.
It might turn out like Cleveland with Baker, the NYJets with Darnold, or Miami with Tagovailoa
Decim8
Veteran
Yes there was, but it's not guaranteed he would be though
True we dont know if the last sentence will be true or not. I choose to believe things will be better than that. Why? Because he's already outplayed those guys in the last month of the season and outplayed the other rookies in the last month of the season. You combine these things and factor in how little experience he's had and as he gains more experience he should get even better at reading defenses.
I remember beerlover going on about Herbert last year. I told him Herbert looked good but his development could go south (especially considering the coaching change).
I don't see anything special about Mills yet. Maybe his accuracy. I've liked his ball placement better than any other Texans QB ever.
He's smart & he plays smart. IMO that's what's going to make him a top QB or not.
I think it's Mills' growth that has impressed me the most. He looked like a deer staring at headlights in the preseason. Totally lost. Seemed to be playing QB like a robot for most of the 1st half of the season. Over the last 5 games, you could see the lightbulb come on. I saw some intuition that Mills hadn't displayed prior. It's the little things that can turn into positive plays, 1st downs, and TDs.
The Texans averaged 334 yds in total offense over the last 5 games. Not earth shattering. That would have been 19th in the league over the course of the season. Still, over 80 yards/game more than the anemic, butt naked last offense we saw the previous 12 games. And the difference in the offense was Mills' maturation.
Herbert improved this yr.
I like how Mills improved on reading defenses and getting rid of the ball faster the 2nd go around. Schaub was very accurate.
Just imagine if Caserio can draft to fix the OL/RB situations. We should see even more games like the last 5 games.
amazing80
Hall of Fame
Mills has very much proven enough to be the starter heading into next year and has eliminated our need to reach on a QB early. Focus on building the core of this team and allow Mills to develop. If he hasn't improved by the end of next year, we evaluate the team and decide if forcing the QB pick is where we are. The talent on the team is too far away for us to be reaching on another QB. Mills has shown enough to roll with for now.
D’uh… I was just saying you don’t know until you know. Remember Marc Sanchez? They were talking like he was going to be special. Then a switch was flipped & he fell off the face of the planet
Speedy
Former Yeller Dweller
More importantly, the Texans averaged 23.2 points per game in those 5 games, as opposed to 10.1 his 1st 6 starts.
His home/road splits are crazy though. 22 points per game, 12 TD, 1 INT, 109.6 PR at home, 9 points per game, 4 TD, 9 INT, 63.1 PR on the road.
The Texans have got to get rid of Kelly and show this kid a real NFL offense. He has a chance to turn into something nice, but I believe he gets held back if he continues in this OB/Kelly offense.
I always thought Herbert was going to be good. I never thought Sanchez was that good coming out of college. I thought he went to a perfect situation with the NYJ and that team made him look better than he was. He was a media sensation because he was a good looking guy who went to school in LA and became the starting QB of championship ready NYJ team. Firms can market guys like that, but that doesn't make them franchise QB's
You know who I consider to be an avg QB in the future, not bad but not some generational QB as he's been touted? Trevor Lawrence.
A lot is going to depend on this next HC hire. Lawrence would have looked different as a Patriot instead of a Jag.
Speedy
Former Yeller Dweller
I've seen this a lot. Just want to make sure everyone understands that there's only been 6 rookie QBs to ever take a snap for the Texans, and only TWO that have played more than 10 games, Carr (16) and Mills (13). And we're talking about Mills beating the guy who set the all-time sack record and led one of the worst offenses in NFL history.
You seem to take a lot of pleasure in playing Debbie Downer recently
Speedy
Former Yeller Dweller
Not a Debbie Downer at all, and I certainly don’t take pleasure in any of this ****. I just try not to be disingenuous as much as possible.
Mills sets a Texans rookie record, and people are led to believe that’s some kind of great accomplishment, not realizing that he and Carr are the only 2 rookie QBs in that conversation. Good for Mills that he did it, but let’s stay in reality. Carr 16 games, Mills 13 games, no one else with more than 7 games. Just facts.
The Pencil Neck
Hall of Fame
OK, how about this: Highest Rated Rookie Passers in NFL history? (with a minimum of 14 passes per game)
1. Dak Prescott - 104.9
2. RG III - 102.4
3. Russell Wilson - 100.0
4. Justin Herbert - 98.3
5. Ben Roethlisberger - 98.1
6. Dan Marino - 96.0
7. Baker Mayfield - 93.7
8. Mac Jones - 92.5
9. Marcus Mariota - 91.5
10. Gardner Minshew - 91.2
11. Nick Mullens - 90.8
12. Joe Burrow - 89.8
13. Davis Mills - 88.8
14. Greg Cook - 88.3
15. Matt Ryan - 87.7
16. Daniel Jones - 87.7
17. Kyler Murray - 87.4
18. Tua Tagovailoa - 87.1
19. Teddy Bridgewater - 85.2
20. Austin Davis - 85.1
21. Cam Newton - 84.5
This does not mean that he's going to be a great quarterback or anything, but it is pretty impressive.
SnakeEyes
Under NRG
Wait, I didn't say it was great. I don’t think anyone else did either. I only saw the article and posted it. As Pencil Neck points out his numbers are about mid tier of rookie passer rating all time. I mean Dan Mario is on the list he posted.