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IMO, the Colts released Manning because Irsay wants to change how the team is run, and as long as #18 is there, that won't happen, he's done too much. I don't think it's entirely about risk avoidance, nor management.
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Peyton Manning Derby (Signs with Broncos)
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DonnyMost
lol football :D
Nobody is saying that isn't Peyton Manning.
What we're saying is that the video doesn't tell us enough to make any kind of determination.
Just like a video of Schaub running wouldn't.
Let's see some workout evals and team physicals passed for BOTH of them.
True, but as CND has stated here there's so much uncertainty as to how Schaub will bounce back once he's able to actually starting walking and running on it. I don't think its a reach at all to say its a crap shoot with banking on Schaub this year.
ckhouston
Veteran
Never said he wouldnt walk again, just dont think he will play again. Takes little to walk, but much to plant, roll-out, scramble ... oh well scratch the scramble he doesnt do that anyway, but to move at game speed takes a slow guy like Matt extra effort and we dont know if this injury will heal to a point to be able to sustain that. We will see, I just would not personally bet on him ever playing again, and if he does maybe as a back-up for someone other than the Texans. Hey even Carr got a ring as a back-up, so Matt has hope.
False Start
On # 69
There are people on the radio saying that they will never forgive the Texans if they dont sign Manning... some people are just....ducking fumb. :kubepalm:
Kimmy
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I saw that, too. I think Peyton wants nothing more than to show the Colts he CAN play and WIN. I can't think of how much sweeter it would be for him to do it inside the division.
I think he wants to come here. I would gladly take a chance on it, but like others have posted, just don't see it happening with the numbers we're up against.
jaayteetx
All Pro
don't listen, I'm surprised some of em can even use a phone to tell ya the truth
False Start
On # 69
I'm tellin ya. I had it on in the truck on the way home. I just turned it off after about 5 minutes, and jammed some Hank Sr.
drs23
Veteran
leebigeztx
Keep it Movin!
So the colts out ran the texans by 12 yds per game,but outscored them by 5ppg? That proves my theory and what I've said. Foster ran for 1600 yds and 16 tds a year earlier,ad the colts still outscored the texans.
Dutchrudder
Hall of Fame
This trip to Denver seals it for Manning, he's definitely going to the Texans. He's just making a detour to Denver to make it easier for Kubes to sign him. I bet he has a workout at Colorado State too!
Hervoyel
BUENO!
This trip to Denver seals it for Manning, he's definitely going to the Texans. He's just making a detour to Denver to make it easier for Kubes to sign him. I bet he has a workout at Colorado State too!
msr
That's just crazy enough to be possible.
Napa Auto Parts
Veteran
Anybody know when Manning visits the Texans.
Premier
Rookie
http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/7...skins-acquire-no-2-overall-pick-st-louis-rams
washington gave up this years 1st and 2nd and two future 1st rounders for Rams #2 pick, looks like RG3 will be a Redskin..
b0ng
Bad Hombre
Point is Schaub has not had a better running game every single year he's been a starter for the Texans than Peyton Manning.
Doesn't matter though because guess what:
We aren't going to get rid of Schaub for Peyton Manning, and all the hemming and hawwing on this forum by you and others is pretty much for naught since you know this as well as I do.
But hey, keep makin posts, maybe Rick Smith has a lurker account here and wants to know what forums poster "Premier" has to say about the situation.
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Sometime between Sept-Dec 2012 when JJ's gonna test out how the new neck handles whiplash.
GP
Go Texans!
Broncos want Manning. I think he gets the deal done with them over this weekend and press conference early next week. And the biggest "tip off" is the Jets curious move to all of a sudden retain Sanchez and get him long-term. I'll discuss that at the end of this novel.
Go To Your Favorite Choice First...
There's a reason he chose to fly to Denver first, choosing to visit Broncos first before going anywhere else...he and his agent probably have a gut feeling that Denver will pay him what he wants and then they'll ship out Tim Tebow via a trade (the speculation in some circles is Tebow returns to Florida and becomes a Jaguar via trade). Some think they'd retain Tebow to learn under Manning and that there would be no problem with that idea...I think, however, everyone knows the fans in Denver have to be united and not divided by watching Manning and always wondering if Timmy makes a comeback IF Manning starts cracking up early on in the reg season. They cannot coexist, and it's because of the Tebow fans. It's Vince Young version 2.0 all over again--Fans who are in love with the player and not the TEAM first and foremost.
The Jaguars might not be interested in trading for Tebow, though, with the new owner likely trying to just roll with what they have and not bleed out any draft picks when they need those draft picks desperately right now. Dolphins might be a team interested in Tebow, though.
Process of elimination, doing the easy math...
Jets are out of the running, sticking with Sanchez.
Redksins are out, as well, trading up to draft #2 and grab RG3.
That leaves, IMO, the Broncos (the leading candidate), the Cardinals, and the Dolphins in last place (Kansas City is also mentioned, but I don't see it happening at all).
The Cardinals are in the NFC, and it's been widely held that he wants to stay in the AFC. I think they're eliminated for that reason.
Leaves us with Broncos and Dolphins, and KC with an outside shot.
Broncos have a better fan base than the Dolphins, IMO, and the AFC West (KC, Oak & SD) is traditionally softer than the AFC East (Pats, Jets & sometimes the troublesome Bills). The Broncos have a rising defense, a somewhat steady running game, and could solidify their WR squad in the draft or free agency...recruiting guys like Dallas Clark and maybe even Reggie Wayne if they're lucky. That would bolster the team immediately, and then they still have the draft to find guys.
Why the Broncos make the most sense compared to Dolphins and maybe KC...
Manning has a fellow HOF'er in Elway who would have his back the whole way. Tebow was not Elway's pick...that pick was the Josh McDaniels era. John Fox is as soft as they come in terms of being a laid back, rah-rah clap his hands and chew his gum HC. He'll bow to Manning to let Manning design the whole freaking offense around what he (Manning) wants to do.
The Broncos fans will be rocking it as Manning leads that team down the field at home games. They'll soon forget Tebow who couldn't get more than 18 0r 20 yards passing Quarters 1, 2, and 3...and then ran around and pulled stuff out of his ass in the final 10 minutes of games.
Yeah, I once said I thought the Jets would be the team...but now that they're out and now that I see all the things developing...it's the Broncos.
Why the Jets retained Sanchez this weekend...
And it's curious that the Jets JUST NOW dropped out of the Manning Derby. Why now? Because they have inside information that says Manning is as good as a Broncos...it's just an issue of getting the contract signed and sealed.
Go To Your Favorite Choice First...
There's a reason he chose to fly to Denver first, choosing to visit Broncos first before going anywhere else...he and his agent probably have a gut feeling that Denver will pay him what he wants and then they'll ship out Tim Tebow via a trade (the speculation in some circles is Tebow returns to Florida and becomes a Jaguar via trade). Some think they'd retain Tebow to learn under Manning and that there would be no problem with that idea...I think, however, everyone knows the fans in Denver have to be united and not divided by watching Manning and always wondering if Timmy makes a comeback IF Manning starts cracking up early on in the reg season. They cannot coexist, and it's because of the Tebow fans. It's Vince Young version 2.0 all over again--Fans who are in love with the player and not the TEAM first and foremost.
The Jaguars might not be interested in trading for Tebow, though, with the new owner likely trying to just roll with what they have and not bleed out any draft picks when they need those draft picks desperately right now. Dolphins might be a team interested in Tebow, though.
Process of elimination, doing the easy math...
Jets are out of the running, sticking with Sanchez.
Redksins are out, as well, trading up to draft #2 and grab RG3.
That leaves, IMO, the Broncos (the leading candidate), the Cardinals, and the Dolphins in last place (Kansas City is also mentioned, but I don't see it happening at all).
The Cardinals are in the NFC, and it's been widely held that he wants to stay in the AFC. I think they're eliminated for that reason.
Leaves us with Broncos and Dolphins, and KC with an outside shot.
Broncos have a better fan base than the Dolphins, IMO, and the AFC West (KC, Oak & SD) is traditionally softer than the AFC East (Pats, Jets & sometimes the troublesome Bills). The Broncos have a rising defense, a somewhat steady running game, and could solidify their WR squad in the draft or free agency...recruiting guys like Dallas Clark and maybe even Reggie Wayne if they're lucky. That would bolster the team immediately, and then they still have the draft to find guys.
Why the Broncos make the most sense compared to Dolphins and maybe KC...
Manning has a fellow HOF'er in Elway who would have his back the whole way. Tebow was not Elway's pick...that pick was the Josh McDaniels era. John Fox is as soft as they come in terms of being a laid back, rah-rah clap his hands and chew his gum HC. He'll bow to Manning to let Manning design the whole freaking offense around what he (Manning) wants to do.
The Broncos fans will be rocking it as Manning leads that team down the field at home games. They'll soon forget Tebow who couldn't get more than 18 0r 20 yards passing Quarters 1, 2, and 3...and then ran around and pulled stuff out of his ass in the final 10 minutes of games.
Yeah, I once said I thought the Jets would be the team...but now that they're out and now that I see all the things developing...it's the Broncos.
Why the Jets retained Sanchez this weekend...
And it's curious that the Jets JUST NOW dropped out of the Manning Derby. Why now? Because they have inside information that says Manning is as good as a Broncos...it's just an issue of getting the contract signed and sealed.
GP
Go Texans!
When the Broncos come to Reliant in 2012, which I think is toward the end of the season.
I think Peyton chooses the Broncos. He went there first because of reasons I stated in my extra long post.
I wouldn't want to play for the Dolphins if I were him. Yeah, there's no state income tax and it's warm and by the beach. But Manning doesn't strike me as a guy who cares about less taxes and hitting the beach. Denver is a historically rabid NFL town...it's Indy but with mountains and trees and a cooler social scene for him and his family. Who the hell wouldn't want to set up a sweet, massive mountainside home in Denver if you could afford it?
#18 on the back of the Broncos jersey, IMO. All they way. Broncos fans will jizz themselves over it. First true QB since Elway, and now Elway is leading the way to get that HOF'er QB for the fans. Tebow will be a tiny footnote on the epic ass of Elway. He wants him gone. Always has and he'll get that schit done for sure, to make sure of it. That's my theory.
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Did i hurt your feelings..
Vinny
shiny happy fan
December 21, 2012
SCOTTexans
Rookie
Looks to me like he was saying Schaub led a 4th over-all Offense without a running game. So now that we have the running weapons, he can do only but improve.
Last yr
Schaub - 10 games 292 att 178 comp 2479 yards 15 Td
Yates - 6 games 134 att 82 comp 949 yards 3 Td
I think he proved himself last yr
Speedy
Former Yeller Dweller
LOL! I'm afraid it isn't much better on a message board either.
TEXANRED
Texan-American
The only thing Schaub proved last year was he can't be counted on to stay on the field. 3 out of his five years playing here he has ended up on injured reserve.
He is like having that co-worker that is bad ass and gets things done when they are there but always calls in sick and misses work.
What rumors have the Texans pursuing Manning? Why quash rumors that don't exist?
redwhiteblue
Waterboy
jaayteetx
All Pro
They don't need to, it's rather obvious.
Señor Stan
El Guapo
Getting Peyton Manning to Denver is step 1 of getting Peyton Manning to Houston. FACT
Doppelganger
None
Once manning signs with Denver, how long will it take for someone to create a trade for tebow thread?!
PapaL
Loose Screw
We just re-signed our RB and our #2 is on his rookie contract still. We don't need another RB. We're good.
GP
Go Texans!
He's narrowed it to Denver and Arizona. Arizona has to make a very convincing push to get him to choose them over Denver, IMO.
The situation with how long Whisenhunt will be their HC might factor into things. John Fox will be HC in Denver for a few years, since he's new there...but how long can Whisenhunt hold onto his job in Arizona? And would the Cards be thinking of axing Whisenhunt, if they got Manning, to install a Manning-friendly HC there???
Denver seems the more stable destination of the two, IMO.
BTW, in the NFL you cannot keep things secretive forever. If the Texans were ever really pursing or "in the hunt" we'd have had some leakage from somebody somewhere. There's been none. Zilch. Zero. Texans are not pursuing Manning. Even the Jets showed their cards by waiting this long to sign Sanchez...I assume they had been trying to woo Manning up until then.
My bet is on the Broncos. Elway, Mountains, rabid fan base, AFC, and historically weak div rivals in Chargers, Raiders, Chiefs. San Fran gonna' have the NFC West locked up for a long time, IMO, which might play a role in his decision to land in Denver instead of Arizona.
The situation with how long Whisenhunt will be their HC might factor into things. John Fox will be HC in Denver for a few years, since he's new there...but how long can Whisenhunt hold onto his job in Arizona? And would the Cards be thinking of axing Whisenhunt, if they got Manning, to install a Manning-friendly HC there???
Denver seems the more stable destination of the two, IMO.
BTW, in the NFL you cannot keep things secretive forever. If the Texans were ever really pursing or "in the hunt" we'd have had some leakage from somebody somewhere. There's been none. Zilch. Zero. Texans are not pursuing Manning. Even the Jets showed their cards by waiting this long to sign Sanchez...I assume they had been trying to woo Manning up until then.
My bet is on the Broncos. Elway, Mountains, rabid fan base, AFC, and historically weak div rivals in Chargers, Raiders, Chiefs. San Fran gonna' have the NFC West locked up for a long time, IMO, which might play a role in his decision to land in Denver instead of Arizona.
Honestly, surprised it is not already up with required if they don't make this move then McSmithiak is cheap, not aggressive, etc.
False Start
On # 69
Then Gabbert would go to....would anyone really want Gabbert?There's already rumblings... of him going to the Jags, lol.
False Start
On # 69
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Interesting side note on Manning's free agency:
Elway is "stuck" with Tebow, due to Tebow's results and their fan's rabid love for Tim. But Elway still does not see Tebow as their QB...
So Manning, ironically, might become Elway's "savior" as no one else could be unquestionably signed to replace the fan favorite other than the best QB of all time.
So Manning's neck + Irsay's dump solves Elway's unsolvable problem.
Elway is "stuck" with Tebow, due to Tebow's results and their fan's rabid love for Tim. But Elway still does not see Tebow as their QB...
So Manning, ironically, might become Elway's "savior" as no one else could be unquestionably signed to replace the fan favorite other than the best QB of all time.
So Manning's neck + Irsay's dump solves Elway's unsolvable problem.
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Mort:
The Denver Broncos and Arizona Cardinals, the first two teams Manning visited, are considered his two likeliest landing spots, according to sources familiar with the situation.
The Seattle Seahawks continue to try to arrange a meeting with Manning, according to sources, but so far they have been unable to do so.
Manning still could wind up meeting with the Dolphins, but indications are that Miami isn't as high on his list as Denver and Arizona.
There always is the possibility another team suddenly jumps into the fray, the sources said, but it is looking increasingly likely there are only a few viable possibilities at this time.
One source who spoke with Manning prior to his visit with the Cardinals said "his gut is that Manning is leaning toward Denver."
The Denver Broncos and Arizona Cardinals, the first two teams Manning visited, are considered his two likeliest landing spots, according to sources familiar with the situation.
The Seattle Seahawks continue to try to arrange a meeting with Manning, according to sources, but so far they have been unable to do so.
Manning still could wind up meeting with the Dolphins, but indications are that Miami isn't as high on his list as Denver and Arizona.
There always is the possibility another team suddenly jumps into the fray, the sources said, but it is looking increasingly likely there are only a few viable possibilities at this time.
One source who spoke with Manning prior to his visit with the Cardinals said "his gut is that Manning is leaning toward Denver."
There are some other teams already into the fray. Its a reason why he's trying to push his decision back a little bit now.
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Who? Link?
There is no link. Its just info you can choose to believe if you'd like. If not trust me its no sweat off of my back. But it does come from someone who's very much attached to the situation in a sense.
I'll just say the Lone Star state hasn't been as silent as everyone would like to believe.
drs23
Veteran
DonnyMost
lol football :D
Why did you bother bolding these parts?
DonnyMost said:
You realize that using the "trade for Schaub scenario" they *wouldn't* be in the market to draft a QB, right? I did not say the Redskins were not interested in drafting a QB or trading up, just that those two concepts were mutually exclusive.
DonnyMost said:
This was me quoting you. You said that everyone ahead of the Redskins wasn't looking to draft a QB, so I asked you the question, if that was the case, then why would they trade up?
I'm not surprised the Redskins traded up at all (the Browns were the obvious ones they needed to jump), and they couldn't wait to see if Schaub was going to be ready/healthy, or bother waiting for the Texans to figure out what they wanted to do. Made a lot of sense for them, especially now that Manning has basically told them no thanks. If Griffin can't put it together sometime in the next 2 years and get the Skins to the playoffs, Shannahan is going to be out on his a** though, so I can't imagine he was too thrilled about this move.