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Paxton Lynch, QB, Memphis

This looks a lot like the Temple game. Lynch just looks overmatched. Has been very inaccurate and just not seeing the field. Has thrown multiple passes at the chest of Auburn players.

15/31 for 87 yards and 1 INT thru 3 quarters. Even bigger worry is he is just 13/22 for 52 yards on passes under 10 yards. That's brutal. 60% completion percentage on quick throws is just bad.
 
I think he just fell out of the first round. He looks like a fish out of water against better competition. he will be a project and not a savior.
 
Someone will fall in love with him early. Look at OB, he thought he could make hoyer into something no one has ever seen
 
I've seen Lynch in 3 games Navy Ole Miss/Today

He looked like a franchise QB against Ole Miss and like crap (Couldn't hit short intermediate throws) in the other 2.

Not my pick for theTexans, but I think BOB thinks he can fix Lynch. If the pick comes down to Lynch/Hack (Both have many of the same issues) Who would you pick and who do you think BOB will pick?
 
steelbtexan said:
I've seen Lynch in 3 games Navy Ole Miss/Today

He looked like a franchise QB against Ole Miss and like crap (Couldn't hit short intermediate throws) in the other 2.

Not my pick for theTexans, but I think BOB thinks he can fix Lynch. If the pick comes down to Lynch/Hack (Both have many of the same issues) Who would you pick and who do you think BOB will pick?
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Still have the Combine to repair his image. Carr looked bad in his bowl game the year he came out, but he looks a lot better now compared to some of the QB's picked ahead of him. As far as who I'd pick, I think I'd go with Wentz rather than the other 2. But if it's just between those 2, I'd go with Lynch. Hack, to me, just seems like damaged goods.
 
Insideop said:
Still have the Combine to repair his image. Carr looked bad in his bowl game the year he came out, but he looks a lot better now compared to some of the QB's picked ahead of him. As far as who I'd pick, I think I'd go with Wentz rather than the other 2. But if it's just between those 2, I'd go with Lynch. Hack, to me, just seems like damaged goods.
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I like this style of thinking, although I can't agree. I wouldn't put my whole evaluation on one poor game.

I don't know anything about Wentz other than what I've read here. Lynch also has been inconsistent in my viewings of his play. One game he's tearing it up and another he's missing 5 yard outs. Lynch's play is confusing.
 
And it begins. If you thought Lynch was getting over-hyped before, just wait until draftniks can get his measurements on paper. Once that happens we might as well just pretend the Auburn game never happened.
 
WolverineFan said:
And it begins. If you thought Lynch was getting over-hyped before, just wait until draftniks can get his measurements on paper. Once that happens we might as well just pretend the Auburn game never happened.
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As you noted there is going to be so much Monkey See, Monkey Do draft opinions masquerading as draft analysis. There will be lots of monkees hurling their monkey feces.
 
TexansSeminole said:
So, what's the consensus? Would you trade up for him and if so, how high would you be willing to go?
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Wouldn't take him in the 1st round.

I always balk at guys who get hype for their measurements. He is not accurate throwing over the middle of the field. He doesn't have great anticipation and he's slow getting through progressions. He's the quintessential spread QB to me. He looks to the sideline, gets the call (which tells him who to read), then stares down that first read. Contrast with Goff, who also plays in a spread system, but who is given way more freedom at the line and will actually go through progressions and read/react to the coverage. He also has very clumsy footwork. Watch Goff in the pocket and those feet are chopping. He's always keeping an active platform. Lynch, on the other hand, is very lazy with his feet. Once he hits the end of his drop those feet don't move.

Now I don't say that to **** all over him. I'm just listing the reasons why I'm not pulling the trigger. He has potential but he's nowhere near ready to step in immediately and be an NFL starter.
 
Personally I think he's more of a physical specimen that has people gushing over him more so of his "athletic ability " than his passing ability, one of the reasons I have Dak rated higher personally
 
WolverineFan said:
Wouldn't take him in the 1st round.

I always balk at guys who get hype for their measurements. He is not accurate throwing over the middle of the field. He doesn't have great anticipation and he's slow getting through progressions. He's the quintessential spread QB to me. He looks to the sideline, gets the call (which tells him who to read), then stares down that first read. Contrast with Goff, who also plays in a spread system, but who is given way more freedom at the line and will actually go through progressions and read/react to the coverage. He also has very clumsy footwork. Watch Goff in the pocket and those feet are chopping. He's always keeping an active platform. Lynch, on the other hand, is very lazy with his feet. Once he hits the end of his drop those feet don't move.

Now I don't say that to **** all over him. I'm just listing the reasons why I'm not pulling the trigger. He has potential but he's nowhere near ready to step in immediately and be an NFL starter.
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Assume your plan isn't to start him right away, would you take him at the Texans original pick in the 1st round, assuming Goff and Wentz are both gone?
 
TexansSeminole said:
Assume your plan isn't to start him right away, would you take him at the Texans original pick in the 1st round, assuming Goff and Wentz are both gone?
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No. I'm not sold on him being able to develop into a franchise guy and I'm only using a 1st on a guy I'm confident can carry the franchise. Goff has to translate from the spread too, but I see all the traits needed to be able to translate even if you have to sit him for a year. I'm nowhere near as confident with Lynch. He's lacking in some pretty crucial areas.
 
Reviving this thread. I didn't see much of the Combine, didn't see Lynch throw, but from what I read he looked good and solidified his 3rd place prospect ranking behind Goff and Wentz, scouts also said he had a big arm. Did anyone here see him throw at the Combine and/or what's your overall opinion of Lynch? Could he be our pick at #22?
 
Wolf6151 said:
Reviving this thread. I didn't see much of the Combine, didn't see Lynch throw, but from what I read he looked good and solidified his 3rd place prospect ranking behind Goff and Wentz, scouts also said he had a big arm. Did anyone here see him throw at the Combine and/or what's your overall opinion of Lynch? Could he be our pick at #22?
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Wolf6151 said:
Reviving this thread. I didn't see much of the Combine, didn't see Lynch throw, but from what I read he looked good and solidified his 3rd place prospect ranking behind Goff and Wentz, scouts also said he had a big arm. Did anyone here see him throw at the Combine and/or what's your overall opinion of Lynch? Could he be our pick at #22?
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I cam away impressed with Lynch at the combine. His drop backs werent the crispest, but for someone who has never dont it before they looked good. I see Lynch kind of like Bortles, a work in progress but with the upside to be a true franchise QB
 
I think Goff and Wentz clearly established themselves at a different tier than everyone else. Very crisp, very smooth. Both very intelligent guys that check all the boxes.

After them it's kind of a jumble of flawed prospects. Lynch has the most upside but has horrible mechanics and accuracy issues. He has a lot of good tape but his bad tape is really bad. Cook is polished but there are questions about his attitude, accuracy, and that he may be maxed out. Hackenberg has tons of natural talent but has not lived up to it and has regressed over the years. Coach's dream, scout's nightmare. Prescott has talent but has limited exposure to a real offense. He's raw and needs to be developed.

I think Lynch checks the most boxes out of those guys but I think he's a project. I wouldn't want to put him on the field year 1.
 
Shishkabob said:
I cam away impressed with Lynch at the combine. His drop backs werent the crispest, but for someone who has never dont it before they looked good. I see Lynch kind of like Bortles, a work in progress but with the upside to be a true franchise QB
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I actually watched most of Lynch's games this year, his last 4-5 were dreadful, Auburn was horrendous. Lynch would get the play from the sideline and the snap happens immediately after. There was no reading the defense, no audibles, no progressions, everything in shotgun, just get it and go. The next time Lynch reads a defense may be the first time he reads a defense. However when throwing the ball in his underwear he does look the part.
 
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Are we drafting Paxton Lynch or Chris Cornell?
 
WolverineFan said:
I think Goff and Wentz clearly established themselves at a different tier than everyone else. Very crisp, very smooth. Both very intelligent guys that check all the boxes.

After them it's kind of a jumble of flawed prospects. Lynch has the most upside but has horrible mechanics and accuracy issues. He has a lot of good tape but his bad tape is really bad. Cook is polished but there are questions about his attitude, accuracy, and that he may be maxed out. Hackenberg has tons of natural talent but has not lived up to it and has regressed over the years. Coach's dream, scout's nightmare. Prescott has talent but has limited exposure to a real offense. He's raw and needs to be developed.

I think Lynch checks the most boxes out of those guys but I think he's a project. I wouldn't want to put him on the field year 1.
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What would you think about a plan to take Lynch at #22 with the intention of starting Savage or Lynch throughout the 2016 season, depending on who's more ready to produce?

What I mean is likely start Savage but an open mind to start Lynch in 2016 if he's ready or if Savage fails miserably.
 
Texian said:
I actually watched most of Lynch's games this year, his last 4-5 were dreadful, Auburn was horrendous. Lynch would get the play from the sideline and the snap happens immediately after. There was no reading the defense, no audibles, no progressions, everything in shotgun, just get it and go. The next time Lynch reads a defense may be the first time he reads a defense. However when throwing the ball in his underwear he does look the part.
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Yea like ive said before Wentz and Goff will be gone before we are in realistic trade up range, so that leaves Lynch or Cook as the next two. Right now im leaning slightly towards Lynch, but that could change. Im just worried about Cooks consistency. ive heard 1 theory about why Lynch's play dropped off later in the year as oppose to the beginning, and thats because of how simple of an offense they were running. It never really changed or evolved as the year went on so after teams got more and more tape they were pretty much teeing off on what Memphis was doing. Whats between Lynch's ears is going to play the biggest part in where he gets drafted.

I cam away impressed with Prescott though, for someone who has never played under center his drops looked really smooth, and well times
 
Shishkabob said:
Yea like ive said before Wentz and Goff will be gone before we are in realistic trade up range, so that leaves Lynch or Cook as the next two. Right now im leaning slightly towards Lynch, but that could change. Im just worried about Cooks consistency. ive heard 1 theory about why Lynch's play dropped off later in the year as oppose to the beginning, and thats because of how simple of an offense they were running. It never really changed or evolved as the year went on so after teams got more and more tape they were pretty much teeing off on what Memphis was doing. Whats between Lynch's ears is going to play the biggest part in where he gets drafted.

I cam away impressed with Prescott though, for someone who has never played under center his drops looked really smooth, and well times
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Lynch and Cook are ****, why would you want pay a 1st RD draft pick to eat more ****?
 
Texian said:
Lynch and Cook are ****, why would you want pay a 1st RD draft pick to eat more ****?
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Somebody said that if you can't hit a guy not covered with no pass rush , you have issues . I think you can read to much into a great workout but a poor performance may be very revealing .
 
TexansSeminole said:
What would you think about a plan to take Lynch at #22 with the intention of starting Savage or Lynch throughout the 2016 season, depending on who's more ready to produce?

What I mean is likely start Savage but an open mind to start Lynch in 2016 if he's ready or if Savage fails miserably.
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I wouldn't use a 1st on Lynch. IMO, a 1st round pick needs to be an immediate contributor. I don't see that with Lynch.

Per this hypothetical though, I think Savage would beat Lynch out in camp. If I'm going into camp with Savage and Lynch at QB then I want a veteran 3rd guy who can be a reliable game manager and can plug the gap for those two inexperienced guys. Someone who can reliably spot start like Chase Daniel.
 
I'm gonna hate myself for saying this but the more I see of Lynch the more I'm convinced that I would pass on him for Cook if it came to that. And I'm not huge on Cook at all.

I see the tools and the potential. But his future just looks sooo far away. I don't think this fan base has the patience for Lynch.
 
bah007 said:
I'm gonna hate myself for saying this but the more I see of Lynch the more I'm convinced that I would pass on him for Cook if it came to that. And I'm not huge on Cook at all.

I see the tools and the potential. But his future just looks sooo far away. I don't think this fan base has the patience for Lynch.
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I would take Cook in the 2nd before I took Lynch in the 1st. IMO, Cook is going to be an above average starter. He won't be a franchise guy and he won't carry your team but he's a guy you can plug in early and he can manage the game. You take him in the 2nd and that frees you up to use your 1st on an impact player.

Take Lynch in the 1st and you're relying on developing him as a project and also losing your chance to add an impact player to the team with that 1st rounder.
 
bah007 said:
I'm gonna hate myself for saying this but the more I see of Lynch the more I'm convinced that I would pass on him for Cook if it came to that. And I'm not huge on Cook at all.

I see the tools and the potential. But his future just looks sooo far away. I don't think this fan base has the patience for Lynch.
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I'd 100% take cook over any QB not named Goff or Wentz. And I'd second guess myself then. The kid looks good.
 
WolverineFan said:
I wouldn't use a 1st on Lynch. IMO, a 1st round pick needs to be an immediate contributor. I don't see that with Lynch.
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I don't think a 1st round QB has to be an immediate contributor. And I think there's enough talent with Lynch to warrant a 1st pick based upon ceiling. All of these guys have to be coached up. I'd like to see the Texans take a talent that's worth the time and investment.
 
Honoring Earl 34 said:
Somebody said that if you can't hit a guy not covered with no pass rush , you have issues . I think you can read to much into a great workout but a poor performance may be very revealing .
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Sometimes people read to much inti what a qb does in shirts and t shirts and loses focus on the film. Teddy b was blasted after his poor pro day workout however in the field he is a very good young qb.

I like the fact that cook has played bug and won on some big stages. Sure he had a dude against Bama this year, but he has win a rose bowl, he lead a come back to top Baylor last year he is a winner, and has proven that. Reports on him very though, many say he is a nice humble kid who loves the game, others say he cares more about being a celebrity than football.

Lynch I think had a great season even if he did dip off a little at the end. He has all the tools anyone wants in a qb. If he lands on a patient team with a good system in place to get him up to speed of the pro game he could turn out to be a franchise guy.

We need a qb, chances are there is no way we can land Wentz or Goff so you better start looking at other options and hopefully our head coach can get him to franchise potential.
 
According to Charlie Campbell of WalterFootball.com, the Denver Broncos are actively talking to teams about trading up in the first round of the 2016 NFL Draft....

....If a team is looking to trade up, they are targeting a certain player or two, so who may that player be? According to Campbell, the Denver Broncos are in the quarterback market and are targeting quarterback prospect Paxton Lynch.....
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http://www.milehighreport.com/2016/...roncos-looking-to-trade-up-in-the-first-round

....The Jets, Cardinals, and Chiefs have all been tied to Lynch in the first round in the past week, which means if the Broncos want to be assured they're going to get their man, they're going to have to trade up Thursday.

And the Broncos are probably going to have to pay a steep price. To jump above the Jets at pick No. 20, Denver —” according to the NFL Draft trade value chart —” would need to give up a first-round pick, two third-round picks and a fifth-round pick, just to come close.....
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http://www.foxsports.com/nfl/story/...de-order-2016-date-time-quarterback-qb-042316

Broncs looked at Hoyer too, it seems
 
OzzO said:
http://www.milehighreport.com/2016/...roncos-looking-to-trade-up-in-the-first-round



http://www.foxsports.com/nfl/story/...de-order-2016-date-time-quarterback-qb-042316

Broncs looked at Hoyer too, it seems
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Th Texans got a 3rd RD and 6th RD from BALT to move from #18 to #26. The Broncos could move #31 to #18 or higher for their 2nd and 3rd RD picks easy. I'm not sure where Dieter is getting his numbers or what chart he's looking at. I wouldn't be surprised if Denver traded their 1st or 2nd RD pick to Philly for Sam Bradford and be done with it.
 
Texian said:
The Broncos could move #31 to #18 or higher for their 2nd and 3rd RD picks easy. I'm not sure where Dieter is getting his numbers or what chart he's looking at.
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Whether he's right or wrong about it, it's pretty easy to see where he got the numbers. The Jets first round pick (#20) has a value of
850 on the Jimmy Johnson draft chart he references. That same chart gives a value of 600, 124, 108, and 28.6 respectively for the Broncos first round pick (#31), their two third round picks (#'s 94 & 98)and their 5th round pick (#157). That's a difference of 10.6 points which is as close as Denver can come given their current selections.

Keep in mind you're comparing the Texans picking towards the middle of each round, while the Broncos are literally last in the round with several of their selections, and the other 3rd rounder is also very late in the round.
 
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ChampionTexan said:
Whether he's right or wrong about it, it's pretty easy to see where he got the numbers. The Jets first round pick (#20) has a value of
850 on the Jimmy Johnson draft chart he references. That same chart gives a value of 600, 124, 108, and 28.6 respectively for the Broncos first round pick (#31), their two third round picks (#'s 94 & 98)and their 5th round pick (#157). That's a difference of 10.6 points which is as close as Denver can come given their current selections.

Keep in mind you're comparing the Texans picking towards the middle of each round, while the Broncos are literally last in the round with several of their selections, and the other 3rd rounder is also very late in the round.
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Pick #98 is not tradeable this year, it's a comp pick. If Broncos Swap first RD picks and add #63 and #94 that gives them enough to move up to #16. If Broncs swap 1st and add #63 that's enough to move to #19.

The Ravens traded up from #26 to draft Flacco. That's a lot closer to the end than the middle. The Texans had #18 which is only two ahead of where the jets are now.
 
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Pick #98 is not tradeable this year, it's a comp pick. If Broncos Swap first RD picks and add #63 and #94 that gives them enough to move up to #16. If Broncs swap 1st and add #63 that's enough to move to #19.

The Ravens traded up from #26 to draft Flacco. That's a lot closer to the end than the middle. The Texans had #18 which is only two ahead of where the jets are now.
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I thought God'ell changed the rule that comp picks can be traded. For instance the Rams are sending the Janoris Jenkins 2017 rd comp pick to the Tacks as part of the Goff trade. If they dont get a 3rd rd comp pick for Jenkins the Rams will send their 3rd and the Tacks will send back a 7th as compensation.
 
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