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Paxton Lynch, QB, Memphis

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This is a guy that we've discussed in other threads, but he deserves his own thread as we search for our potential 1st round draft pick next year.

He is a redshirt Junior and has his Memphis team undefeated and ranked in the teens through 6 games this year. He's listed as 6' 7" 245 pounds by ESPN. He's likely not that heavy, but he doesn't look skinny by any means. Over 2,000 yards 15 TDs and 1 INT 70%+ completion percentage this year and he's still playing in the 1st half of the 7th game of the season. 22 TDs and 9 INTs last year.

He looks like he has a fighting chance at being the 1st QB taken this year. He has a strong arm and throws a nice ball at all ranges. I've only seen him play 3 or 4 games now and never tough competition, so I wonder what he looks like against the Alabama, Clemson, Florida State, Florida type of defenses.

I think he is almost universally rated a top 3 or 4 QB prospect for the 2016 NFL draft. What is the consensus around these parts?
 
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TexansSeminole said:
This is a guy that we've discussed in other threads, but he deserves his own thread as we search for our potential 1st round draft pick next year.

He is a redshirt Junior and has his Memphis team undefeated and ranked in the teens through 6 games this year. He's listed as 6' 7" 245 pounds by ESPN. He's likely not that heavy, but he doesn't look skinny by any means. Over 2,000 yards 15 TDs and 1 INT 70%+ completion percentage this year and he's still playing in the 1st half of the 7th game of the season. 22 TDs and 9 INTs last year.

He looks like he has a fighting chance at being the 1st QB taken this year. He has a strong arm and throws a nice ball out all ranges. I've only seen him play 3 or 4 games now and never tough competition, so I wonder what he looks like against the Alabama, Clemson, Florida State, Florida type of defenses.

I think he is almost universally rated a top 3 or 4 QB prospect for the 2016 NFL draft. What is the consensus around these parts?
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He plays at UH on 11/14 so you can see him firsthand . I do like a QB who raises the level of his team and that's what Paxton has done .
 
Definitely like what I've seen. Haven't sat and watched a ton though.

Really good velocity, also shows touch. Very mobile for his height. Doesn't show much in the way of making reads in this offense, but makes some NFL-esque throws. Hit or miss against tougher competition in 2014, but went out and laid into Ole Miss last week. From what I've seen he often gets pretty good protection so I haven't seen how reacts to a messy pocket.

The tools are pretty obvious. Still want to see him against a couple tougher matchups. And would like to hear about how he can diagnose a defense/play/scheme on the white board.
 
Watched him against Ole Miss last week and he was the best player on the field. I still like Goff the most but Lynch is my #2 right now pending further review. I was extremely impressed.
 
TexansSeminole said:
This is a guy that we've discussed in other threads, but he deserves his own thread as we search for our potential 1st round draft pick next year.

He is a redshirt Junior and has his Memphis team undefeated and ranked in the teens through 6 games this year. He's listed as 6' 7" 245 pounds by ESPN. He's likely not that heavy, but he doesn't look skinny by any means. Over 2,000 yards 15 TDs and 1 INT 70%+ completion percentage this year and he's still playing in the 1st half of the 7th game of the season. 22 TDs and 9 INTs last year.

He looks like he has a fighting chance at being the 1st QB taken this year. He has a strong arm and throws a nice ball at all ranges. I've only seen him play 3 or 4 games now and never tough competition, so I wonder what he looks like against the Alabama, Clemson, Florida State, Florida type of defenses.

I think he is almost universally rated a top 3 or 4 QB prospect for the 2016 NFL draft. What is the consensus around these parts?
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:thumbup Kid looks like a baller - I'm a fan
 
bah007 said:
Watched him against Ole Miss last week and he was the best player on the field. I still like Goff the most but Lynch is my #2 right now pending further review. I was extremely impressed.
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Same here.

6'5.5", 230 lbs. 13 TDs/1 INT

Total QBR = 84.6, 6th in nation

Kinda goofy with the scrunchy thing, tho...
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I definitely need to see him a couple more times, but I am impressed. Strong arm, athletic, smart with the football, good size, he appears to have it all. I want to see him against a real defense though (missed the MISS ST game). I would say Lynch is in the running for best QB in the class along with Goff and Cook. Oh, and Wentz, but I need to see some of his games (pre-injury, of course).
 
I came in here to ask about this kid not knowing much about college ball. Really like what I've seen from him in the games I've watched.
 
IMO he manhandled Ole Miss and last game Tulsa and looked extremely good exhibiting all skills you want; very good arm to all areas of field seems in command of offense at all times and keeps them pumped as well as calm in all situations

I like him better than Goff and Connor; if you have a weak opponent you want to see QB dominate and he does
 
IIRC against Tulsa, Lynch missed his first 3 passes and after a few minutes on sideline, he threw for at least 15 completions; he corrects himself well
 
I'm starting to see this kid show up as the #1 QB on a lot of people's boards. That probably leaves the Texans out of the mix. Lynch and Cook are the 2 I liked best. Goff's struggles lately concern me and I haven't really liked what I've seen of Wentz.

I bet we end up with Hackenberg and our QB hell continues. What's the 2018 class look like?
 
Texian said:
In the UCLA vs CAL game Rosen outplayed GOFF up and down the field for the entire game.
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I don't disagree with that for a second. I've watched Rosen since week 1 and it's pretty nuts how polished such a youngster could be.

That said, I really dislike the idea of which qb outplayed whom in a given game. It's so far from apples to apples as to be just an aside statement. It really has no meaning.
 
I just watched Lynch, Memphis vs BYU in the 2014 Miami Beach Bowl.

My initial thoughts and comments; Lynch has windup in his delivery. That will work against him in the NFL. He makes a lot throws off of his back foot. He takes all his snaps in shotgun formation, runs a spread offense. His pass % is high because of it. His accuracy is good on his bubble screens, quick outs and crosses. Passes over 10 yds his accuracy is not very good. He shows poor placement and WRs often have to adjust to his passes. He has shown no ability to throw anticipation passes and his tight window throws are often worse that they're good. He's 6'7" with long spindly legs and appears to gallup when he runs. I don't think he will be doing much running or galloping in the NFL. My guess is the NFL is going to take away his legs. Like Wentz, Lynch has problem with ball security fumbling twice, losing one. In this game Lynch threw 2 pick six and a 3rd INT. Now Lynch did show that he can engineer a 4th quarter comeback and game winning drive. He did in this game but mainly as a result of two pick six. Memphis tied the game at the end and went on to win in 2nd OT.....on to Ole Miss game.
 
bah007 said:
Watching a different game but 123 yards and a TD says that?
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He's missed a lot of passes, way off target, he should have 3 passing TDs. Playing Navy and most of stats came on first drive. It seems like for every good throw he makes he makes 2 or 3 really bad ones.
 
He hasn't been that bad. Your bias is shining Bison proud.

EDIT: As soon as I say that he throws a near pic and a pic. Yikes.
 
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Mollywhopper said:
He hasn't been that bad. Your bias is shining Bison proud.

EDIT: As soon as I say that he throws a near pic and a pic. Yikes.
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I promise Bison has nothing to do with my evaluation. I started my due diligence eager to find greatness. After watching BYU and first half of Navy, very disappointing. At this point, many will disagree, some shocked but I would draft Jake Coker before I would draft Paxton Lynch. The fact that Lynch has looked bad has nothing to do with NDSU. Watch the Miami Beach Bowl vs BYU and I would be shocked if you said Lynch was a first rd pick after that game.
 
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Texian said:
I promise Bison has nothing to do with my evaluation. I started my due diligence eager to find greatness. After watching BYU and first half of Navy, very disappointing. At this point, many will disagree, some shocked but I would draft Jake Coker before I would draft Paxton Lynch. The fact that Lynch has looked bad has nothing to do with NDSU. Watch the Miami Beach Bowl vs BYU and I would be shocked if you said Lynch was a first rd pick after that game.
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I'm kinda giving you the business and kinda not. I just haven't read any criticisms of Wentz from you except maybe some ball security, and in your first go round with Lynch you've already demoted him to UDFA. You don't think there's any bias whatsoever, fair enough, I'm not here to get into too much subjective wonkiness, just seems like a little weighted consideration is all. And I'm pretty much right there with you when it comes to Wentz.

I would love though to see Cook, Wentz, Lynch, and Goff in a vacuum for evals sake before the draft. They've all got requisite tools, just so many discrepancies between types of offense and levels of competition.
 
Mollywhopper said:
I'm kinda giving you the business and kinda not. I just haven't read any criticisms of Wentz from you except maybe some ball security, and in your first go round with Lynch you've already demoted him to UDFA. You don't think there's any bias whatsoever, fair enough, I'm not here to get into too much subjective wonkiness, just seems like a little weighted consideration is all. And I'm pretty much right there with you when it comes to Wentz.

I would love though to see Cook, Wentz, Lynch, and Goff in a vacuum for evals sake before the draft. They've all got requisite tools, just so many discrepancies between types of offense and levels of competition.
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My evals on Lynch so far have been tha BYU game and Navy tonight, BYU he had 3 INTs (2 pick six) 2 fumbles (lost one) 52% and tonight he has just made some terrible throws, consistently 3-4 yards off target. Paxton has a windup that starts below his hip AKA Tim Tebow. And yes Wentz does put the ball on the ground far to often for my taste, his biggest weakness.
 
Texian said:
My evals on Lynch so far have been tha BYU game and Navy tonight, BYU he had 3 INTs (2 pick six) 2 fumbles (lost one) 52% and tonight he has just made some terrible throws, consistently 3-4 yards off target. Paxton has a windup that starts below his hip AKA Tim Tebow. And yes Wentz does put the ball on the ground far to often for my taste, his biggest weakness.
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I'd agree, not Lynch's his best efforts.

On Wentz tough, I think his biggest weakness is his throwing motion changes when he tries to deliver a deep ball and instead of just following through as he usually would he cuts his wrist short, seemingly trying to put a little extra air under the ball, and he ends up losing accuracy. Everything he delivers on a rope more or less looks great, but when he tries to drop a pass deep or against the sideline he losing accuracy with that little motion.

Not the end of the world, and certainly not in lieu the things he does really well, just limits him some until he tidies it up.
 
Mollywhopper said:
I'd agree, not Lynch's his best efforts.

On Wentz tough, I think his biggest weakness is his throwing motion changes when he tries to deliver a deep ball and instead of just following through as he usually would he cuts his wrist short, seemingly trying to put a little extra air under the ball, and he ends up losing accuracy. Everything he delivers on a rope more or less looks great, but when he tries to drop a pass deep or against the sideline he losing accuracy with that little motion.

Not the end of the world, and certainly not in lieu the things he does really well, just limits him some until he tidies it up.
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Wentz does have a tendency to over throw the deep ball. What I've seen him do better than the rest is his ability to step up in the pocket to avoid the rush. That's difficult to learn and he does it well. Natural inclination is to bailout the back and what you see most others doing.
 
Mollywhopper said:
On Wentz tough, I think his biggest weakness is his throwing motion changes when he tries to deliver a deep ball and instead of just following through as he usually would he cuts his wrist short, seemingly trying to put a little extra air under the ball, and he ends up losing accuracy. Everything he delivers on a rope more or less looks great, but when he tries to drop a pass deep or against the sideline he losing accuracy with that little motion.

Not the end of the world, and certainly not in lieu the things he does really well, just limits him some until he tidies it up.
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I haven't charted Wentz passes but I would guess that his deep pass % would be above average. Someone will do this after the bowl season, I'll be interested in those numbers.
 
Texian said:
I haven't charted Wentz passes but I would guess that his deep pass % would be above average. Someone will do this after the bowl season, I'll be interested in those numbers.
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I've watched a number of Wentz games now and I'd say without charting passes that I stand by the fact that his delivery gets wonky when he tries to lift the ball deep. I've seen it repeatedly with my two eyes. If he could drop the ball from the ceiling the way I've seen Lynch do it a good few times I'd be scrambling to find any big weaknesses. Bottom of the barrel competition aside of course.
 
Mollywhopper said:
I've watched a number of Wentz games now and I'd say without charting passes that I stand by the fact that his delivery gets wonky when he tries to lift the ball deep. I've seen it repeatedly with my two eyes. If he could drop the ball from the ceiling the way I've seen Lynch do it a good few times I'd be scrambling to find any big weaknesses. Bottom of the barrel competition aside of course.
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I've watched Wentz in over dozen games start to finish and I'm not necessarily seeing what you're seeing. I have seen him sling the ball 60 yds with very little effort. You'll stand by your OPINION, as I will stand by mine. Dropping the ball from a ceiling can be a sign of a weaker arm on deep passes, need a higher trajectory to get the ball to go the distance. And passes with more air under the ball have a higher chance of being intercepted, particularly in the NFL. I kind of like the idea that Wentz ball gets there a second quicker. So I'll still wait to see the charting. If Wentz played in a spread O his comp % would be over 70%
 
Texian said:
I've watched Wentz in over dozen games start to finish and I'm not necessarily seeing what you're seeing. I have seen him sling the ball 60 yds with very little effort. You'll stand by your OPINION, as I will stand by mine. Dropping the ball from a ceiling can be a sign of a weaker arm on deep passes, need a higher trajectory to get the ball to go the distance. And passes with more air under the ball have a higher chance of being intercepted, particularly in the NFL. I kind of like the idea that Wentz ball gets there a second quicker. So I'll still wait to see the charting. If Wentz played in a spread O his comp % would be over 70%
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Never said he couldn't get the ball deep effortlessly. I never questioned his general accuracy either. In fact I've mentioned that he and Cook make routinely more difficult throws than a number of other prospects.

You should know though that dropping the ball in gives a trajectory that allows a receiver to get to the ball on a line a defender can't. It's a tool in the arsenal that Wentz hasn't shown proficiency at. That I'm sure he'd like to, but just hasn't gotten it down as well as some others.

But I'll leave it alone for now, I can tell you're getting a little defensive about your guy.
 
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You should know though that dropping the ball in gives a trajectory that allows a receiver to get to the ball on a line a defender can't. It's a tool in the arsenal that Wentz hasn't shown proficiency at. That I'm sure he'd like to, but just hasn't gotten it down as well as some others.

But I'll leave it alone for now, I can tell you're getting a little defensive about your guy.
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I do know about trajectory, the trash can drill and how you put the ball where your WR can go get it. I also know that Wentz's proficiency was much better last year than this year. I also know that Wentz had 3 Sr. WRs on last year's Championship team, who are bigger and faster than this year's new crop of WRs. This year Wentz is dealing with younger (true freshman), undersized slower WRs who are not really trash can type WRs. Wentz also suffered a high ankle sprain in the first game that effected his ability to push off on his deep ball.

I believe that you're the one who initially became defensive when your guy pretty much flushed it down the toilet last night. Although I was really wanting him to do well. I had heard a lot of hype about Mr. Lynch so I dedicated over 6 hours this weekend to learning much more about Paxton. What I found is more hype than promise about Paxton Lynch. Believe me nothing would make me happy if there were 4 or more 1st QBs in next years draft. Usually there may be two or less and that is looking very likely for the 2016 draft.
 
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How did a thread titled Paxton Lynch, QB, Memphis get turned into a Carson Wentz discussion, doesn't he have his own thread going.
 
Texian said:
I do know about trajectory, the trash can drill and how you put the ball where your WR can go get it. I also know that Wentz's proficiency was much better last year than this year. I also know that Wentz had 3 Sr. WRs on last year's Championship team, who are bigger and faster than this year's new crop of WRs. This year Wentz is dealing with younger (true freshman), undersized slower WRs who are not really trash can type WRs. Wentz also suffered a high ankle sprain in the first game that effected his ability to push off on his deep ball.

I believe that you're the one who initially became defensive when your guy pretty much flushed it down the toilet last night. Although I was really wanting him to do well. I had heard a lot of hype about Mr. Lynch so I dedicated over 6 hours this weekend to learning much more about Paxton. What I found is more hype than promise about Paxton Lynch. Believe me nothing would make me happy if there were 4 or more 1st QBs in next years draft. Usually there may be two or less and that is looking very likely for the 2016 draft.
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I have only seen videos of Wentz and I wish his feet were more active in the pocket. This is very correctable and like I daid I've seen very little of him.

I only watched videos of Lynch before last night. I watched the entire game. Lynch appeared to be much more accurate on video than when I watched the game last night. His accuracy was a major issue last night. Color me unimpressed. Of course Lynch could've just had a bad game.
 
steelbtexan said:
I have only seen videos of Wentz and I wish his feet were more active in the pocket. This is very correctable and like I daid I've seen very little of him.

I only watched videos of Lynch before last night. I watched the entire game. Lynch appeared to be much more accurate on video than when I watched the game last night. His accuracy was a major issue last night. Color me unimpressed. Of course Lynch could've just had a bad game.
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I'll be the first to admit I need to do more on Lynch but the two games I watched were extremely disappointing. I'm not a fan of happy feet in the pocket, show nervousness. Usually when I see happy feet an INT is not far behind. I'd rather see a QB stand firm and still in the pocket and refrain from any unnecessary dancing. Happy feet are a distraction.
 
Texian said:
I'll be the first to admit I need to do more on Lynch but the two games I watched were extremely disappointing. I'm not a fan of happy feet in the pocket, show nervousness. Usually when I see happy feet an INT is not far behind. I'd rather see a QB stand firm and still in the pocket and refrain from any unnecessary dancing. Happy feet are a distraction.
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I dont like happy feet either.

The footwork of Brady/Rodgers/Newton/Eli/Peyton is great. they are moving their feet with a purpose. David Carr/Kaep/Bradford etc... had happy feet.

QB's with dead are just as bad Culter/Stafford/Cousins etc... throw off there back feet alot. (Bad Habit to get into.)
 
Texian said:
I'll be the first to admit I need to do more on Lynch but the two games I watched were extremely disappointing. I'm not a fan of happy feet in the pocket, show nervousness. Usually when I see happy feet an INT is not far behind. I'd rather see a QB stand firm and still in the pocket and refrain from any unnecessary dancing. Happy feet are a distraction.
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I might suggest that feet which constantly move can be broken down into scared feet, which appears to be your version of "happy feet," and prepared feet which are constantly repositioning in order to be in the best possible position for an accurate throw from a changing pocket location. One is not like the other.
 
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