infantrycak
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Then that was a 2 sec. press release clarification from the NFL to deflate the story rather than launching a Hindenburg investigation.
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Then that was a 2 sec. press release clarification from the NFL to deflate the story rather than launching a Hindenburg investigation.
I don't think ball pressure matters to Brady when he threw four TD's against the league's best defense in the Super Bowl. I have no doubt that those footballs were inflated to spec.
This entire story is blown up beyond proportion because it's the Patriots. If this was Andy Dalton and the Bengals, it might get a mention on the ticker at the bottom of the screen.
This entire story is blown up beyond proportion because it's the Patriots. If this was Andy Dalton and the Bengals, it might get a mention on the ticker at the bottom of the screen.
infantrycak
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I don't think it matters in that any of the talented QBs can't throw without their preferred pressure, BUT they do have a preferred pressure. People get goofy about that **** in every sport ranging from superstition on socks to perceived performance benefit.
Now the fumble data looks like an actual advantage. Now for that to play out we're talking serious long term cheating. If the reports are true the refs only fine 0-2 balls out of spec at the end of games typically then that points to re-inflating by the Patriots and they only got caught because of the halftime measurement. Proving that would take a whistleblower so doubt it happens.
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Blake
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You are confusing Brady and the Patriots liking an underinflated ball with Brady and the Patriots are only good with an underinflated ball.
Nobody said that Brady and the Patriots are bad at football. We are saying that the Patriots used an underinfalted ball to gain unfair advantages such as easier gripping and less fumbling.
An underinflated football did not create a good Brady. A good Brady is using an underinflated football to gain an unfair advantage. I really dont know how you are still confusing the 2.
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"They have the original ball -- the others were returned to Patriots, they have the halftime measurements, and they have 40 interviews. The guy described as a 'ball-boy' who took the balls into a bathroom for 90 seconds is an elderly man." -- Ian Rapoport, radio interview
RapSheet repeated that 1 ball was 2 pounds psi out of spec, with the remaining ~1 ppsi to just under spec. He said the league will likely shield the identity of the elderly man who has long been a game day Patriots worker.
And they have The Snitch, Colts GM Ryan Grigson...
Oh, and then there's the guy whose interception got these wheels turning...
Indianapolis Colts linebacker D'Qwell Jackson arrested for assault in D.C. after allegedly punching pizza delivery driver
I get what you're saying, man, but now we see that it has been completely blown out of proportion.
"RapSheet repeated that 1 ball was 2 pounds psi out of spec, with the remaining ~1 ppsi to just under spec."
Disappointing story in the big picture, because I do not believe either Brady or the Patriots players need this kind of subtle advantage, which is obvious by their Super Bowl performance against the league's best defense. We know for a fact that the SB balls were spec.
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Forgot there was a snitch's snitch... the Ravens:
http://www.foxsports.com/nfl/story/...-indianapolis-colts-deflated-footballs-012115
So it was Ozzie--->Grigson--->NFL.
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If there's anyone that might be an expert on taint, it could be Haley...
Charles Haley: The Last Naked Warrior
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Unnamed AFC Head Coach last night:
Pretty sure it wasn't O'Brien.
"It's self evident Patriots have played with deflated balls, it's standard operating procedure for them, it's been going on for years." He was highly critical of Tom Brady... how he handled the weeks coming up to the SB and the Bob Costas interview... he has not come out and flatly denied it...
--reported on NFL Insiders, ESPNPretty sure it wasn't O'Brien.
Unnamed AFC Head Coach last night:"It's self evident Patriots have played with deflated balls, it's standard operating procedure for them, it's been going on for years." He was highly critical of Tom Brady... how he handled the weeks coming up to the SB and the Bob Costas interview... he has not come out and flatly denied it...--reported on NFL Insiders, ESPN
Pretty sure it wasn't O'Brien.
Not you personally, Playoffs, but this Unnamed AFC Head Coach *cough*REXRYAN*cough*
Not From Boston, Houston born and raised. Just stuck here for a while because of work
Although my kid was born here... Lucky guy has seen a World Series and Super Bowl victory in <2 years and I've been waiting my whole life for my hometown team to do either
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So the narrative of the genesis of all of this is supposedly as follows...
Ravens lose to Patriots, accuse them of skirting the rules with illegal substitutions regarding eligible receivers...
Which prompted this snarky response, shot from Brady to Harbaugh:
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Which pissed Harbaugh off to no end.
So to get even, Harbaugh passed onto Colts HC Chuck Pagano -- who was his DC with the Ravens -- the commonly held belief by some coaches/execs that the Patriots deflated their footballs.
Pagano passed it on to Colts GM Ryan Grigson and Grigson brought it to the officials attention during the game.
Ravens lose to Patriots, accuse them of skirting the rules with illegal substitutions regarding eligible receivers...
Which prompted this snarky response, shot from Brady to Harbaugh:
Which pissed Harbaugh off to no end.
So to get even, Harbaugh passed onto Colts HC Chuck Pagano -- who was his DC with the Ravens -- the commonly held belief by some coaches/execs that the Patriots deflated their footballs.
Pagano passed it on to Colts GM Ryan Grigson and Grigson brought it to the officials attention during the game.
Texecutioner
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I'm still waiting to see this big bad punishment that the Patriots are going to get for this ridiculous chirade. Lol!
Looks like everyone made up their minds before this story even got moving, and a lot of people were so blood thirsty to see the Patriots get smothered in a scandal that they couldn't help but to talk prematurely out of jealousy of the franchise.
The worst part of this entire pathetic saga was all of the shots people took at Brady throughout this thing. It's one thing to want to bash BB who arguably does things to turn people off and has had a history of pushing the rules, but Brady has been nothing but class throughout most of this career and applauds most teams he plays. For people to make baseless accusations about Brady was pretty damn laughable this entire time.
Either way, he got the last laugh as usual.
Looks like everyone made up their minds before this story even got moving, and a lot of people were so blood thirsty to see the Patriots get smothered in a scandal that they couldn't help but to talk prematurely out of jealousy of the franchise.
The worst part of this entire pathetic saga was all of the shots people took at Brady throughout this thing. It's one thing to want to bash BB who arguably does things to turn people off and has had a history of pushing the rules, but Brady has been nothing but class throughout most of this career and applauds most teams he plays. For people to make baseless accusations about Brady was pretty damn laughable this entire time.
Either way, he got the last laugh as usual.
No, it was just another supposed instance of cheating and dirty pool by the Patriots and people wanted to know what happened. They got fed a lot of bs and emotions changed with each revelation. Nothing new there in today's society, has nothing to do with sports.
And we'll have to agree to disagree regarding Brady's nobility.
who is "everyone"? "bloodthirsty??
my take was/is this is much ado about nothing.
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Now the Colts deflated the ball!
http://nesn.com/2015/02/adam-schefter-there-are-people-who-believe-colts-deflated-patriots-football/
If so -- and even if not so -- I am disgusted by this and believe the NFL needs to come down hard on Indianapolis. I think a fair punishment is taking away their 1st round draft picks for 5 years.
http://nesn.com/2015/02/adam-schefter-there-are-people-who-believe-colts-deflated-patriots-football/
If so -- and even if not so -- I am disgusted by this and believe the NFL needs to come down hard on Indianapolis. I think a fair punishment is taking away their 1st round draft picks for 5 years.
it was Polian wasn't it?Now the Colts deflated the ball!
http://nesn.com/2015/02/adam-schefter-there-are-people-who-believe-colts-deflated-patriots-football/
If so -- and even if not so -- I am disgusted by this and believe the NFL needs to come down hard on Indianapolis. I think a fair punishment is taking away their 1st round draft picks for 5 years.
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It was Luck!!! Suspension!!!
Lifetime BAN!!!
or worse, trade him to Cleveland and make him play backup behind Johnny Rehab
Texecutioner
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I'm aware of that. You were correct as well. The arguments I've seen on this from the beginning have been pretty laughable and strong reaches to say the least.
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besides cry?
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Because to me it wasn't a serious topic. I personally don't like the guy. He's a great player, but so was Franco Harris and I despise him
infantrycak
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In all fairness, they do not work overtime on their public image like J.J. does it.
I've been told that even J.J. can come of as a bit arrogant at times. It doesn't bother me, though. Most "elite" entertainers probably have that side of personality to them.....'cept for Dimebag Darrell.
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Marshall
Not pretty, but ALIVE!
~Date~ Supermodels?
Texecutioner
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Would you like to explain what your issue is with having a supermodel around? I'm generally curious.
He makes the puritans look promiscuous and likes to take his "holier than thou" spiel into every thread he can finagle it in
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Marshall
Not pretty, but ALIVE!
"What has Brady ever done other than work his ass off in the film room, stay out of trouble, and lead that franchise?"
I was answering a question. Not commenting on on his promiscuity. I simply gave an example of something he is known for doing which was not covered by the spin in the question.
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The Wells Report: https://nfllabor.files.wordpress.co...s-re-footballs-used-during-afc-championsh.pdf
Albert Breer ‏@AlbertBreer
Rand Getlin ‏@Rand_Getlin
Ian Rapoport ‏@RapSheet
Albert Breer ‏@AlbertBreer
Rand Getlin ‏@Rand_Getlin
Ian Rapoport ‏@RapSheet
In reaching these conclusions, we have relied on, among other things, the following:
* The text messages between McNally and Jastremski discussing:
* The inflation level of Patriots footballs and McNally‟s impact on
the inflation level of the balls (“im going make that next ball a
fakkin balloon”; “Make sure you blow up the ball to look like a
rugby ball so tom can get used to it before Sunday”; “16 is
nothing...wait till next sunday”);
* Jastremski‟s plan to provide McNally with a “needle” for use by
McNally (“Can‟t wait to give you your needle this week”; “fakk
tom....make sure the pump is attached to the needle.....fakkin
watermelons coming”);
* McNally‟s request that the “needle” be surrounded by cash and
new sneakers and other items of value to be received by McNally
(“Better be surrounded by cash and newkicks....or its a rugby
sunday”; “Maybe u will have some nice size 11s in ur locker”;
“Remember to put a couple sweet pig skins ready for tom to sign”;
“U got it kid...big autograph day for you”; “Nice throw some kicks
in and make it real special”);
* McNally‟s references to Brady as the catalyst for Jastremski‟s
offers of sneakers and clothing (“Tom must really be working your
balls hard this week”; “Tom must really be on you”); and
* That game balls for a Sunday game would not be deflated because
of anger at Brady (“The only thing deflating sun..is his passing
rating”).
* Text messages most plausibly read as describing a conversation between
Jastremski and Brady during which Brady mentioned McNally and said
that McNally must have “a lot of stress” trying to get the footballs “done”
(“Talked to him last night. He actually brought you up and said you must
have a lot of stress trying to get them done...”).
* Text messages from McNally referring to himself as the “deflator” and
stating that he was “not going to espn……..yet” (“jimmy needs some
kicks....lets make a deal.....come on help the deflator”; “Chill buddy im
just fakkin with you ....im not going to espn........yet”).
* McNally‟s knowledge that Brady prefers footballs inflated at the low end
of the permissible range and his express request that the referee set the
balls at a 12.5 psi level.
* Referee Walt Anderson‟s inability to locate the game balls at the start of
the game (for the first time in nineteen years) and the breach in standard
pre-game procedure when McNally removed the game balls from the
Officials Locker Room without the permission of the referee or other
game officials.
* The crowded state of the Officials Locker Room on the day of the AFC
Championship Game, limiting the opportunity for McNally to be alone
with the game balls in the Officials Locker Room while the game officials
were on the field for pre-game warm-ups.
* McNally bringing the game balls into the bathroom during his walk from
the Officials Locker Room to the field, locking the door and remaining
inside the bathroom with the game balls for approximately one minute and
forty seconds, an amount of time sufficient to deflate thirteen footballs
using a needle.
* McNally‟s failure to mention taking the balls into the bathroom in his
initial interview with NFL Security and his subsequent varying
explanations for the bathroom stop and decision not to utilize readily
available bathroom facilities in the Officials Locker Room and the
adjacent Chain Gang Room.
* McNally‟s receipt on January 10, 2015, in the Patriots equipment room
with both Brady and Jastremski present, of two footballs autographed by
Brady and Brady‟s autograph on a game-worn jersey, and Jastremski‟s
receipt earlier in the season of a particularly valuable autograph from
Brady.
* The timing and frequency of the telephone communications between
Jastremski and McNally, as well as Jastremski and Brady immediately
after suspicions of ball tampering were raised by NFL Security and in
media reports.
Our conclusion that it is more probable than not that McNally and Jastremski participated in a deliberate effort to release air from Patriots game balls after the balls were tested by the game officials is significantly influenced by the substantial number of communications and events consistent with such a finding, including that the same person (McNally) referred to himself as the “deflator” and stated that he was “not going to espn……..yet,” was involved in a series of communications about his impact on the inflation-level of Patriots game balls and using a “needle” surrounded by cash and sneakers (when his legitimate responsibilities as a locker room attendant did not involve the preparation, inflation or deflation of footballs), violated standard pre-game procedure by removing the game balls from the Officials Locker Room without permission of the game officials, brought the game balls into a bathroom before the game (for a period long enough to deflate them), and received valuable items autographed by Tom Brady the week before the AFC Championship Game.
Similarly, the evidence establishes that John Jastremski knew that McNally had referred to himself as the “deflator” and stated that he was “not going to espn……..yet,” was involved personally in a series of communications with McNally about the inflation and deflation of footballs using a “needle” and providing McNally with a “needle,” was involved in providing McNally with items of value, and had himself received a particularly valuable autograph from Brady earlier in the season. In addition, Jastremski spoke with McNally almost immediately when suspicions first arose (speaking by telephone three times in the hours after the game for a total of 37 minutes and 11 seconds) and communicated with Brady by telephone or text message with significantly increased frequency in the following days, as described below.
Indeed, in our view, a contrary conclusion requires the acceptance of an implausible number of communications and events as benign coincidences. Although we believe that a number of the communications between Jastremski and McNally were attempts at humor, based on the evidence and the communications in their entirety, we believe that McNally and Jastremski were joking about events in which they were actually participating that involved the deflation of footballs in violation of the Playing Rules
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Kind of surprising is the texts back and forth between McNally and Jastremski about Tom Brady. They were saying eff Tom and talking about over-inflating the balls, apparently out of spite, during regular season games. Those guys will probably be run out of Boston.
infantrycak
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So a fine is pretty much meaningless. The $64k question is a suspension for Brady. The other two are toast.
I think Brady gets a suspension, and the franchise will get fined and maybe even lose some draft pick(s).
Thoughts about the franchise based on this:
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Playing witness "hide & seek" not a good look.
I think that attaches the penalty to the organization.
Playing witness "hide & seek" not a good look.
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OK so over under?
3.5 game suspension Brady
750k fine Brady
500k fine Patriots
3.5 game suspension Brady
750k fine Brady
500k fine Patriots
Marshall
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They'll probably have to forfeit all preseason victories from last season and Tom will lose his preseason salary. (ps That would be a per diem at most)
This is how you fine the NFL fair haired favorites.
Yes.
UNDER
UNDER
OVER (But existing charity funding is included in the fine amount and the NFL just puts it's name on it.)