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Owen Daniels - What's he worth? - Gets Highest RFA Tender

Ok, so those TEs could be doing just as well as OD in our offense. Does that mean that makes OD expendable? Are we going out and getting these TEs? Um...no. So why does saying there are other TEs who can do well in our offense make OD any less valuable.

On another note, I don't know why everyone is on Dreesen's jock. Is he really that great? From what I've seen, he caught a couple TDs and he's a servicable backup who can also long snap. People have been saying that we should let OD go and not lose a step. Am I missing something?!
 
If it's all about being a 'system tight end', why didn't Jeb Putzier flourish? He came from this system. Just askin'.
 
The assertion that Todd Heap would thrive in the Texans offense is laughable (especially since he only plays about 8 games a year) and tells me all I need to know about your opinion on this subject.

Also, wtf is a system TE and what does a player have to do to bwcome valuable to this team? I guess nobody remembers how OD stepped up his play when AJ went down 2 seasons ago.
 
Fine...Don't look at the top TE's...

You can go a little further down the list and look at guys like Greg Olsen, Bo Scaife,Kevin Boss, Heath Miller, Zach Miller, Shockey, Dustin Keller....ect, ect....

Owen Daniels wouldn't be hard to replace. Especially for this offense.
 
b0ng said:
Also, wtf is a system TE and what does a player have to do to bwcome valuable to this team?
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Tamme and Clark from the Colts are system TE's.

And sometimes a player cannot be more valuable than their position will dictate.

TE's are not hard to replace.
 
gtexan02 said:
I dont know why so many people have such a negative impression of OD

"He's not a guy that does a lot after the catch"
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When I say he doesn't do a lot after the catch I'm talking about his ability to make people miss or break tackles...I don't consider him a threat with the ball in his hands...There aren't many TE's that have the ability to make people miss and break tackles, but Owen Daniels not being one of them doesn't really help this argument. AKA, he's not elite.
 
The way I see it is you have a known commodity that is integral to your offenses success. If you get rid of Daniels, you now have a need at TE which means you HAVE to find a replacement before the season. I'm not confident our offense will find as much success with Driessen as our starter and not to mention our depth behind him is nothing.

So you go looking for a TE in the 2nd, 3rd or 4th hoping you get lucky to find another player that is able to fit in like Daniels. I have just as much faith in Rick Smith and Kubiak in finding talent as most of yall but I don't know if that's a risk i'm willing to take. On top of that, this new TE drafted has to be game ready by season's start and be able to play for 16 straight games.

I think some of you are thinking that finding a complete TE like Daniels isn't hard to do. Well it is. Daniels is a great receiver and an extremely underrated run blocker. Having 1 player that can do that beats have 2 different players that specialize in each.

Do I think Buffalo or any other team would give up a 1st and 3rd AND sign him to a huge contract? No I don't.
 
Ole Miss Texan said:
The way I see it is you have a known commodity that is integral to your offenses success. If you get rid of Daniels, you now have a need at TE which means you HAVE to find a replacement before the season. I'm not confident our offense will find as much success with Driessen as our starter and not to mention our depth behind him is nothing.

So you go looking for a TE in the 2nd, 3rd or 4th hoping you get lucky to find another player that is able to fit in like Daniels. I have just as much faith in Rick Smith and Kubiak in finding talent as most of yall but I don't know if that's a risk i'm willing to take. On top of that, this new TE drafted has to be game ready by season's start and be able to play for 16 straight games.

I think some of you are thinking that finding a complete TE like Daniels isn't hard to do. Well it is. Daniels is a great receiver and an extremely underrated run blocker. Having 1 player that can do that beats have 2 different players that specialize in each.

Do I think Buffalo or any other team would give up a 1st and 3rd AND sign him to a huge contract? No I don't.
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Lots of Giant fans probably were using the same arguments for Shockey.
 
Polo said:
Lots of Giant fans probably were using the same arguments for Shockey.
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I might be wrong, but didn't they play Boss a lot, especially in the playoffs before they let Shockey go? They knew what they had in Boss and believed that Shockey was expendable. They had a replacement lined up, do we? Is Dreessen really a player you think can carry the load?
 
Polo said:
When I say he doesn't do a lot after the catch I'm talking about his ability to make people miss or break tackles...I don't consider him a threat with the ball in his hands...There aren't many TE's that have the ability to make people miss and break tackles, but Owen Daniels not being one of them doesn't really help this argument. AKA, he's not elite.
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I can give a crap less if he cant "shake and bake", juke or even do the chicken dance after he catches the ball. All I care about it yards. If he is #2 in YAK thats good enough for me!
 
Polo said:
Lots of Giant fans probably were using the same arguments for Shockey.
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Well ya know Polo... you got a good point. LOL. One difference I see though is Shockey really wore out his welcome on that team and in that locker room. From that standpoint I think they could be thinking it really could be addition by subtraction. Daniels on the other hand is exactly what this team wants. A Blue collar hardworking guy that will play with a broken nose. He's a great teammate and a fan favorite.

Kevin Boss was a young TE they drafted in the 5th round. I have no idea what their thoughts were on him regarding if he was starter ready or not. I also don't know our FO's thoughts on Dreesen.
 
I believe the Giants won a superbowl with Shockey sitting on the sidelines injured. It wasnt until after that they decided he was expendable. Right?
 
Polo said:
When I say he doesn't do a lot after the catch I'm talking about his ability to make people miss or break tackles...I don't consider him a threat with the ball in his hands...There aren't many TE's that have the ability to make people miss and break tackles, but Owen Daniels not being one of them doesn't really help this argument. AKA, he's not elite.
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Do you consider Jason Witten to be elite?
 
Ole Miss Texan said:
Well ya know Polo... you got a good point. LOL. One difference I see though is Shockey really wore out his welcome on that team and in that locker room. From that standpoint I think they could be thinking it really could be addition by subtraction. Daniels on the other hand is exactly what this team wants. A Blue collar hardworking guy that will play with a broken nose. He's a great teammate and a fan favorite.

Kevin Boss was a young TE they drafted in the 5th round. I have no idea what their thoughts were on him regarding if he was starter ready or not. I also don't know our FO's thoughts on Dreesen.
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My point was that most of the time there will be someone else that can get the job done when it comes to TE's.
 
Super Mario said:
Word to the wise. Never get a jersey of a player in a contract year. Wait for the big pay day.
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Word to the wise. NEVER get a jersey with a player number PERIOD, unless it has some special meaning outside the Texans. For instance. My grandson has #12, not because of JJ, but because he has had #12 for every baseball and football team he has ever played on. I perfer jerseys or tees that don't have a number on it. My button down jersey has lasted me 6 years, and still going strong.
 
Polo said:
Yes. Jason Whitten has more talent than Owen Daniels.
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Well I know alot of Cowboy's fans in fact I live in a house filled with them and all of them say that Witten is not a threat after the catch. So by your definition of the word Witten is also not elite. I never knew a TE had to be dangerous after the catch to be considered elite.
 
IMO the TE is not an important part of our offense.

Does OD make first down catches? Yes.

The real question is, if you replace OD with Dressen does our offense get worse, better, or stay the same.

I would have to say that at this point watching OD I just don't see a WOW factor. I think Dressen could step in and do the same job. So if a team came at me with a 1 and 3, I would take it.
 
TEXANRED said:
IMO the TE is not an important part of our offense.

Does OD make first down catches? Yes.

The real question is, if you replace OD with Dressen does our offense get worse, better, or stay the same.

I would have to say that at this point watching OD I just don't see a WOW factor. I think Dressen could step in and do the same job. So if a team came at me with a 1 and 3, I would take it.
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yep.
 
The last thing I want to do is take away anything from Slaton. But if you look at almost all of his big runs, either Daniels or Winston are there making key blocks.

The thing about the TE, FB and OL positions is that you don't often see what makes plays. Take away a consistant downfield blocker and your offense isn't quite as potent.
 
gtexan02 said:
I never realized how much separation he gets from defenders. Whether hes being covered by linebackers or DBs, his routes are jsut perfect
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And he catches the ball. And he can run.

Yeah, after watching some of Daniels highlights I have no idea why people think he'd be easy to replace. You could probably get a guy that can do one thing that Daniels does, or another, but I think it'd be pretty tough to just up and make a draft pick and bam, pro bowl TE.

Trading away a mediocre or just above average for draft picks is one thing, but trading away guys who are on the cusp of elite for draft picks seems silly.
 
Amazing thread.

OD is a top 10 no doubt TE, top 5 arguably.

At the same time, just like AT said--almost no team would trade for any of the top 5, much less top 10 TE's if it involved a 1st and 3rd.

Folks there is an in between. Great TE, but the market for TE's just isn't that high. A Honda Civic may be an elite all around commuter car, but you wouldn't pay $50k for it.
 
Before anyone gets upset that it is a one year offer, it is just so that if another team offers a multi-year deal, the Texans can either match or get compensation. Now Smith and ODs agent have time to sit down and work on a long term contract.
 
Well, would have settled for a contract along with a few other players on the roster...but the one year tender will do for now. It was almost a guarantee that he was going to get slapped with this anyways.
 
Man, I was just perusing through Rotoworld reading all the RFA tenders and got to thinking about OD. I switch back over here and he's been tendered. What a coinkadink.

Wise move on our part. Now let's concentrate on a couple few decent FA's.

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wow! does anyone else sense there is more to come? this offseason is different than any I can remember, lots of shedding/trimming/manuevring/negoiations....something wicked this way comes :whip:
 
beerlover said:
wow! does anyone else sense there is more to come? this offseason is different than any I can remember, lots of shedding/trimming/manuevring/negoiations....something wicked this way comes :whip:
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I would be floored if we sign a top tier anything in FA.
 
One at a time dale, and OD first for sure.

I'd hate to see him go but for a 1st and a 3rd, I might get over it a little quicker.
 
Fortunately we won't have to worry about it because I doubt any teams would give a 1st and a 3rd for Winslow or Gates, let alone Owen Daniels.
 
dalemurphy said:
Isn't it tampering to release information regarding interest and money about another team's free agent before the FA period begins?
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It probably is.

1) Consider the source.

2) For those wanting picks over OD, put the crack pipe down, slowly back away and repeat after me, "Fantasy Football has damaged my brain! Fantasy Football has damaged my brain!"

3) Earlier in the thread someone remarked that "good football teams" deal their best low draft choice players for more picks from other teams. Buuuuuuuwaaaaahaaahaaahaaa! See #2. That is what "good football team" owners like Bud and Crazy Al do.

/thread participation
 
dalemurphy said:
We still need to tender: Butler, DAnderson, Cochran, Dressens and I've not heard anything about them yet.
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Until I hear other wise, I believe all of those guys you just listed are bubble guys this off season. I think they'll be offered what they are due. Not a whole lot more. They must think the world of Butler. Lot of speed at WR in this class. Cochran's got a toe injury. Dressen's a good soldier.
 
I'm thinking those guys all have good shots st being rotation guys next season.
 
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