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**Official Cut Day Thread**

We have six RBs on the team but no 3rd string QB.

Someone explain this to me.

7 if you count Prosch... I guess they really need Akeem Hunt's skillset and he's injured? They kept Todman and he didn't do anything Bruce Ellington esque at a position of need. But Hunt and Blue are injured so... not the way i'd go.

Maybe they'll cut one of them for a guy they like from another team's cuts? Definitely after Strong returns from suspension week 1.
 
We have six RBs on the team but no 3rd string QB.

Someone explain this to me.
The only way I can explain it is that some stupid fools are making the decisions. It was a big mistake to cut Weeden (the logical backup QB) and a mistake to cut Williams and keep Hunt. When they cut Weeden they must have expected to sign another QB from somebody's practice squad. If they can get Peterman, I'll agree, but that move could have waited.
 
We have six RBs on the team but no 3rd string QB.

Someone explain this to me.

Either planning to run the wishbone or with the exception of Blue, we probably have one of the fastest RB group in the NFL.

Maybe with the weak OL, the plan is to spread the defense and get these quick RBs into space. Do what other teams have been doing to us for the past couple of years.
 
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Surprised we kept Dunn on DL. I thought there were several other guys that looked better. Todman is probably only on the squad until Hunt gets healthy.
 
Surprised we kept Dunn on DL. I thought there were several other guys that looked better. Todman is probably only on the squad until Hunt gets healthy.

I think they really like Dunn and Todman is being looked at mostly as a ST guy I believe
 
We have six RBs on the team but no 3rd string QB.

Someone explain this to me.
Also with Tom Savage's injury past it makes me really nervous to carry only two QBs. If he goes down (let's say Savage tears his ACL during Week 1 against the Jaguars), all of a sudden Deshsun Watson is starting and then what? Shane Lechlar as a backup QB? Brian Cushing as a third-string emergency QB? We would likely sign Weeden again at that point or any available free agent quarterbacks?
 
In fact, Shane Lechler is our punter and third QB right now. At 41 years old he would be older than Tom Brady if he saw any action at quarterback this season.
 
geesh BOP, you're either Over the Top or everything will suck forever and the season hasn't even started yet for any Houston pro sports team
 
geesh BOP, you're either Over the Top or everything will suck forever and the season hasn't even started yet for any Houston pro sports team
I have a right to be concerned with the Houston Texans quarterback situation. Usually I'm a positive guy but I can't be in this situation. Bill O'Brien hasn't gotten the position right since he's been here. I also don't trust his playcalling.

I was a big Gary Kubiak fan (also a big Wade Phillips fan) and very high on the Texans trying to sign Peyton Manning back when he was a free agent and his Indy days were over. Had we done what I wanted them to do we'd likely have won a Super Bowl or two, instead of the Broncos.

The past is over. I just don't trust Bob McNair or Rick Smith. We've had so many talented teams over the years but all we have to show for it is an 0-3 divisional round record in the playoffs. Three wild-card wins. Is that our ceiling?

I'm very positive and excited about the Astros and Rockets...
But the Texans don't breed that type of joy for me anymore.
We've had chances to build something special but blew it.
 
I have a right to be concerned with the Houston Texans quarterback situation. Usually I'm a positive guy but I can't be in this situation. Bill O'Brien hasn't gotten the position right since he's been here. I also don't trust his playcalling.

I was a big Gary Kubiak fan (also a big Wade Phillips fan) and very high on the Texans trying to sign Peyton Manning back when he was a free agent and his Indy days were over. Had we done what I wanted them to do we'd likely have won a Super Bowl or two, instead of the Broncos.

The past is over. I just don't trust Bob McNair or Rick Smith. We've had so many talented teams over the years but all we have to show for it is an 0-3 divisional round record in the playoffs. Three wild-card wins. Is that our ceiling?

I'm very positive and excited about the Astros and Rockets...
But the Texans don't breed that type of joy for me anymore.
We've had chances to build something special but blew it.

The reason Peyton was not signed and we did not win a Super Bowl was not Tick or Bob it was your boy Kubiaggy
 
I will say this though. I'm very excited and hopeful for the Deshaun Watson era once it begins. I want it to start as soon as possible. I don't think our makeshift O-Line, minus All-Pro left tackle Duane Brown, is as bad as our 2002 expansion team's O-Line was.

Watson wouldn't be killed every other passing play like a rookie David Carr was. I've seen people compare it to that but it's far from it. We have much better offensive talent overall. Watson is actually good at making big plays out of broken plays under duress inside the pocket. He can escape the pocket and make plays with his arm or legs. Plays that Tom "the statue" Savage would be sacked, Watson will not be sacked. Deshaun Watson may mask Bill O'Brien's underwhelming playcalling which will feature running the ball a lot anyways.
 
Watson sacked 5 times..Savage 2.
Preseason stats? Worthless for a QB, IMO.
Then again it made Matt Flynn a very rich man!

Tom Savage = 4th year in the NFL. 0 career TD passes. Our front office had more faith in Brock Osweiler going into last year! If Savage were any good we wouldn't have overpaid for Big Os in the first place.

The bigger the game the better Watson plays.
That's even been the case during his collegiate career.
 
Also go back and watch the film closely.
Look at how many sacks Watson avoided.
Not that it matters being the preseason but still...

A few of them he made positive plays out of.
The O-Line play (backups) was absolutely dreadful as well.
Put Savage with our backup O-Line and he's sacked 9 or 10 times!

Savage played with the first-team offense.
One of those two sacks was a coverage sack.
Dude held onto the ball way too long inside the pocket!!!

Watson was running for his life for the most part.
I want to see Watson have more first-team reps.

I last played Right Tackls in college at Sam Houston State years ago.
I'm probably better than the Texans backup OTs. LOL (joke)
 
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Also go back and watch the film closely.
Look at how many sacks Watson avoided.
Not that it matters being the preseason but still...

A few of them he made positive plays out of.
The O-Line play (backups) was absolutely dreadful as well.

Savage played with the first-team offense.
One of those two sacks was a coverage sack.
Dude held onto the ball way too long inside the pocket!!!

Watson was running for his life for the most part.
I want to see Watson have more first-team reps.
I'm not gonna debate you..let's wait and see how Savage plays before we anoint Watson. I like him but Savage based on what we have seen fits what OBrien wants. We need to see both with full compliment of #1s against #1 opponents.
 
I'm not gonna debate you..let's wait and see how Savage plays before we anoint Watson. I like him but Savage based on what we have seen fits what OBrien wants. We need to see both with full compliment of #1s against #1 opponents.
Fair enough. Like I said I'm willing to cheer for Tom Savage and I'll support him entering this season. But this is a make or break year for him. He's a free agent to be next off-season.

His four-year rookie deal is already entering a contract year. So if he fails miserably or gets hurt, yet again, I honestly wouldn't re-sign him after the 2017 season ends unless he becomes a Jason Garrett type player (career backup and bookworm on the field). Deshaun Watson is clearly our future franchise quarterback. We invested way too much to land him.
 
Also go back and watch the film closely.
Look at how many sacks Watson avoided.
Not that it matters being the preseason but still...

A few of them he made positive plays out of.
The O-Line play (backups) was absolutely dreadful as well.
Put Savage with our backup O-Line and he's sacked 9 or 10 times!

Savage played with the first-team offense.
One of those two sacks was a coverage sack.
Dude held onto the ball way too long inside the pocket!!!

Watson was running for his life for the most part.
I want to see Watson have more first-team reps.

I last played Right Tackls in college at Sam Houston State years ago.
I'm probably better than the Texans backup OTs. LOL (joke)
Don't worry, they will both be in the tub together.

:hides:
 
Don't worry, they will both be in the tub together.

:hides:
Let's not hope for both of them to fail this year!
Otherwise we may be in for a 5-11 or 4-12 season.
Our defense, by itself, can likely win four or five games.
With average QB play we're likely AFC South champions again.
 
Let's not hope for both of them to fail this year!
Otherwise we may be in for a 5-11 or 4-12 season.
Our defense, by itself, can likely win four or five games.
With average QB play we're likely AFC South champions again.
I hate to be a Debbie downer, so, whatever you say.
:fans:

I still have my doubt though.
 
Fair enough. Like I said I'm willing to cheer for Tom Savage and I'll support him entering this season. But this is a make or break year for him. He's a free agent to be next off-season.

His four-year rookie deal is already entering a contract year. So if he fails miserably or gets hurt, yet again, I honestly wouldn't re-sign him after the 2017 season ends unless he becomes a Jason Garrett type player (career backup and bookworm on the field). Deshaun Watson is clearly our future franchise quarterback. We invested way too much to land him.
100% agree. If Savage has very good year he plays and gets big money..somewhere. Bad season and it is low ball avg guy contract elsewhere but not Houston. I will be drafting a QB 2018 regardless.
 
FINAL 53


OFFENSE (25)


Quarterbacks (2)

Tom Savage, r-Deshaun Watson


Running backs (6)

Lamar Miller, r-D’Onta Foreman, Alfred Blue, Akeem Hunt, Tyler Ervin, Jordan Todman


Wide receivers (5)

DeAndre Hopkins, Braxton Miller, Bruce Ellington, i-Will Fuller, s-Jaelen Strong


Tight ends (3)

C.J. Fiedorowicz, Ryan Griffin, Stephen Anderson


Linemen (9)

Kendall Lamm, Breno Giacomini, Chris Clark, r-Julién Davenport

Xavier Su’a-Filo, Jeff Allen, Nick Martin, Greg Mancz, r-Kyle Fuller.



DEFENSE (25)

Linemen (6)

J.J. Watt, D.J. Reader, Christian Covington, r-Carlos Watkins, Joel Heath, Brandon Dunn


Linebackers (9)

Jadeveon Clowney, Whitney Mercilus, Brian Cushing, Benardrick McKinney, Brennan Scarlett, Brian Peters, Ufomba Kamalu, r-Zach Cunningham, r-Dylan Cole


Cornerbacks (5)

Johnathan Joseph, Kareem Jackson, Kevin Johnson, r-Treston Decoud, r-Dee Virgin


Safeties (5)

Andre Hal, Corey Moore, Eddie Pleasant, Marcus Gilchrist, Kurtis Drummond



SPECIALISTS (3)

Kicker

Ka’imi Fairbairn


Punter

Shane Lechler


Snapper

Jon Weeks


I don't see Prosch on your list. Didn't they just extend him?
 
I don't see Prosch on your list. Didn't they just extend him?

Yes, Prosch should be on there instead of Strong who doesn't count against the 53 for being suspended.

So somebody gets cut when Strong comes back, somebody gets cut when Brown comes back.
 
OFFENSE (26):
Quarterback (2): Tom Savage, Deshaun Watson.

Running Back (6): Lamar Miller, D’Onta Foreman, Tyler Ervin, Alfred Blue, Akeem Hunt, Jordan Todman.

Fullback (1): Jay Prosch.

Wide Receiver (4): DeAndre Hopkins, Will Fuller, Braxton Miller, Bruce Ellington.

Tight End (3): C.J. Fiedorowicz, Ryan Griffin, Stephen Anderson.

Offensive Line (9): Nick Martin, Chris Clark, Kendall Lamm, Greg Mancz, Jeff Allen, Xavier Su’a-Filo, Breno Giacomini, Julien Davenport, Kyle Fuller.

DEFENSE (24):
Defensive Line (7): J.J. Watt, Jadeveon Clowney, Christian Covington, D.J. Reader, Carlos Watkins, Brandon Dunn, Ufomba Kamalu.

Inside Linebacker (5): Brian Cushing, Benardrick McKinney, Zach Cunningham, Dylan Cole, Brian Peters.

Outside Linebacker (2): Whitney Mercilus, Brennan Scarlett.

Cornerbacks (5): Johnathan Joseph, Kareem Jackson, Kevin Johnson, Treston Decoud, Dee Virgin.

Safety (5): Andre Hal, Corey Moore, Eddie Pleasant, Marcus Gilchrist, Kurtis Drummond.

SPECIAL TEAMS (3):
Kicker (1): Ka’imi Fairbairn.

Punter (1): Shane Lechler.

Long Snapper (1): Jon Weeks.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.ba...y-heres-the-first-53-man-roster-of-the-season
 
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List still isn't right.

Allen,
Jeff
G 6-4 306 27 6
89 Anderson,
Stephen
TE 6-2 230 24 2
28 Blue,
Alfred
RB 6-2 225 26 4
74 Clark,
Chris
T 6-5 305 31 8
90 Clowney,
Jadeveon
DE 6-5 270 24 4
51 Cole,
Dylan
ILB 6-0 220 23 R
95 Covington,
Christian
DE 6-2 305 23 3
41 Cunningham,
Zach
ILB 6-3 234 22 R
56 Cushing,
Brian
ILB 6-3 255 30 9
70 Davenport,
Julién
OT 6-7 318 22 R
31 Decoud,
Treston
DB 6-2 206 24 R
23 Drummond,
Kurtis
S 6-1 200 25 3
92 Dunn,
Brandon
DE 6-2 310 24 2
12 Ellington,
Bruce
WR 5-9 200 26 4
34 Ervin,
Tyler
RB 5-10 185 23 2
7 Fairbairn,
Ka'imi
K 6-0 190 23 2
87 Fiedorowicz,
C.J.
TE 6-5 265 25 4
27 Foreman,
D'Onta
RB 6-1 233 21 R
15 Fuller V,
Will
WR 6-0 180 23 2
61 Fuller,
Kyle
C 6-5 307 23 R
68 Giacomini,
Breno
T 6-7 318 31 10
40 Gilchrist,
Marcus
S 5-10 200 28 7
84 Griffin,
Ryan
TE 6-6 265 27 5
29 Hal,
Andre
S 5-10 195 25 4
93 Heath,
Joel
DE 6-6 300 24 2
10 Hopkins,
DeAndre
WR 6-1 215 25 5
33 Hunt,
Akeem
RB 5-10 200 24 3
25 Jackson,
Kareem
CB 5-10 185 29 8
30 Johnson,
Kevin
CB 6-0 185 25 3
24 Joseph,
Johnathan
CB 5-11 185 33 12
94 Kamalu,
Ufomba
DE 6-6 295 24 2
63 Lamm,
Kendall
T 6-6 310 25 3
9 Lechler,
Shane
P 6-2 230 41 18
65 Mancz,
Greg
C 6-4 310 25 3
66 Martin,
Nick
C 6-4 300 24 2
55 McKinney,
Benardrick
ILB 6-4 260 24 3
59 Mercilus,
Whitney
OLB 6-4 265 27 6
13 Miller,
Braxton
WR 6-1 205 24 2
26 Miller,
Lamar
RB 5-10 220 26 6
43 Moore,
Corey
S 6-2 200 24 2
52 Peters,
Brian
ILB 6-4 240 28 3
35 Pleasant,
Eddie
S 5-10 200 28 5
45 Prosch,
Jay
FB 6-1 255 25 4
98 Reader,
D.J.
NT 6-3 335 23 2
3 Savage,
Tom
QB 6-4 230 27 4
57 Scarlett,
Brennan
OLB 6-4 260 24 2
71 Su'a-Filo,
Xavier
G 6-4 320 26 4
6 Todman,
Jordan
RB 5-10 200 27 5
32 Virgin,
Dee
CB 5-10 205 23 R
91 Watkins,
Carlos
DT 6-3 309 23 R
4 Watson,
Deshaun
QB 6-2 221 21 R
99 Watt,
J.J.
DE 6-5 295 28 7
46 Weeks,
Jon
 
There's a discrepancy somewhere because heath is still listed on the roster which has 53 players. He's not on the position list which also has 53. Someone is there who shouldn't be.
 
This is driving me nuts. Someone is listed on the position list that's not on the roster unless I miscounted and I cannot find who it is.


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Figured it out...

Battle red blog's numbers are wrong. There are only 25 on offense, not 26.

Heath is on the roster so there is actually 25 on defense not 24.
 
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There's a discrepancy somewhere because heath is still listed on the roster which has 53 players. He's not on the position list which also has 53. Someone is there who shouldn't be.


You have OFFENSE (26) but there's only 25 listed.
Defense (24) but you left off Heath.

It should be 25 on offense and defense.
 
OFFENSE (25):
Quarterback (2): Tom Savage, Deshaun Watson.

Running Back (6): Lamar Miller, D’Onta Foreman, Tyler Ervin, Alfred Blue, Akeem Hunt, Jordan Todman.

Fullback (1): Jay Prosch.

Wide Receiver (4): DeAndre Hopkins, Will Fuller, Braxton Miller, Bruce Ellington.

Tight End (3): C.J. Fiedorowicz, Ryan Griffin, Stephen Anderson.

Offensive Line (9): Nick Martin, Chris Clark, Kendall Lamm, Greg Mancz, Jeff Allen, Xavier Su’a-Filo, Breno Giacomini, Julien Davenport, Kyle Fuller.

DEFENSE (25):
Defensive Line (8): J.J. Watt, Jadeveon Clowney, Christian Covington, D.J. Reader, Carlos Watkins, Brandon Dunn, Ufomba Kamalu, JOEL HEATH.

Inside Linebacker (5): Brian Cushing, Benardrick McKinney, Zach Cunningham, Dylan Cole, Brian Peters.

Outside Linebacker (2): Whitney Mercilus, Brennan Scarlett.

Cornerbacks (5): Johnathan Joseph, Kareem Jackson, Kevin Johnson, Treston Decoud, Dee Virgin.

Safety (5): Andre Hal, Corey Moore, Eddie Pleasant, Marcus Gilchrist, Kurtis Drummond.

SPECIAL TEAMS (3):
Kicker (1): Ka’imi Fairbairn.

Punter (1): Shane Lechler.

Long Snapper (1): Jon Weeks.

fify
 
Yeah...OL and WR were my biggest concerns and after the final cuts...they still are!!!!

A fly on the wall told me that as the OL lined up to go in and speak with RS and O'Brien they came up with a brilliant plan...since our play on the field was horrible lets talk our way onto the roster.

"X" was the test rat:

RS: Why should we keep you on the roster?
X: I know my time on the field was a bit of a let-down but let me tell you....I love Houston, I love the Texans, and I really...really...really...really promise to try a lot harder (A tear and a sniffle for effect while meekly looking at the floor)
RS: "X"...that's all I needed to hear. We love you too!
BO: Go Get'm tiger...oh, and send Allen in next. Gotta love his spirit!!!
RS: I'm feeling better already!

X (Outside): Huddle up guys...let me fill you in on the line of s--t I just fed them. Oh! And they're eating it up like that t--d was candy coated.
OL: Looks like we gettin paid after all!!!

Even if DB hauls his a-s back in before game one...he's going to be a non-factor for the next 4-6 weeks...since my guess, he's probably way out of football shape.

Oh, and it even gets better...of all the years, this is the year they decide it would be in the best interest of the team to go with 2 QB's (wink)....is this a stroke of pure brain genius or just a pure brain f--t???

Note to Bill O'Brien:

In regards to your playbook, you might as well tear out every page that doesn't have something to do with plays involved in executing the Hurry-Up / No-Huddle Offense just so the team stands some type of chance of keeping Savage on the field. If Watson is sent in to QB behind this OL, I'm going to give him about 2 maybe 3 games before he's knocked onto the IR List b/c he's got just enough escapeability to run for his life and eventually a defensive player will make sure he runs no more this season. Weeden will probably be at home or in a deer stand somewhere in Texas when the team calls him back in.

RS, I certainly hope you're looking long and hard at the talent you've assembled on the OL, then ask yourself if you've truly done enough to help this team win.
 
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Pardon me if I haven't been keeping up, but has anyone figured out who the 3rd string QB is yet?

Having only two QBs on the roster is not uncommon in the NFL. In 2013, 14 teams in the NFL had only 2 QBs on the 53 man roster. Because BOB has enough confidence in Watson to make him the no. 2 QB, Weeden became expendable and his roster spot can be used for a player who will actually see the field. I hate to see Weeden gone, but I think it was the right decision. Talent on the field is better than talent on the roster that will (hopefully) never see the field. If we get to the third string QB, our season is likely over and it doesn't matter anyway.
 
Preseason stats? Worthless for a QB, IMO.
Then again it made Matt Flynn a very rich man!

Tom Savage = 4th year in the NFL. 0 career TD passes. Our front office had more faith in Brock Osweiler going into last year! If Savage were any good we wouldn't have overpaid for Big Os in the first place.

The bigger the game the better Watson plays.
That's even been the case during his collegiate career.

This part is only conjecture and has yet to be proven in the NFL.
 
Majority of the league going with just two quarterbacks
Posted by Darin Gantt on September 3, 2017, 8:45 AM EDT

At a time when everyone agrees there aren’t nearly enough quarterbacks to go around, most of the NFL has decided to only bother with two at a time.

After initial cuts yesterday, 19 teams stuck with just two quarterbacks, though that’s going to change in the next few days.

For instance, the Broncos are about to go to three, as soon as Brock Osweiler’s transaction is processed and he joins Trevor Siemian and the injured Paxton Lynch. And the Rams (Dan Orlovsky) and Chargers (Kellen Clemens) are expected to bring a third quarterback back in soon as well.

There are at least two teams carrying injured quarterbacks on their initial 53 who will likely go on the injured reserve/designated for return list later today (Cincinnati’s Jeff Driskel and Tampa Bay’s Ryan Griffin), and they’ll join the list of teams keeping a pair.

The Vikings will likely go back to three at some point after or if Teddy Bridgewater returns from the physically unable to perform list at some point after the first six weeks.

And then there are the poor Colts, who have four on the roster at the moment, and they may hang a banner for having the most quarterbacks of any team in the league since they hang them for everything else. [:spit:]

This list will continue to evolve over the next few days, but at the moment, here’s a division-by-division look at the quarterback depth charts:

Bills: Tyrod Taylor, Nathan Peterman, T.J. Yates.
Dolphins: Jay Cutler, Matt Moore.
Patriots: Tom Brady, Jimmy Garoppolo
Jets: Josh McCown, Bryce Petty, Christian Hackenberg.

Ravens: Joe Flacco, Ryan Mallett.
Bengals: Andy Dalton, A.J. McCarron, *Jeff Driskel.
Browns: DeShone Kizer, Cody Kessler, Kevin Hogan.
Steelers: Ben Roethlisberger, Landry Jones, Josh Dobbs.

Texans: Tom Savage, Deshaun Watson.
Colts: Andrew Luck, Scott Tolzien, Jacoby Brissett, Stephen Morris.
Jaguars: Blake Bortles, Chad Henne, Brandon Allen.
Titans: Marcus Mariota, Matt Cassel.

Broncos: Trevor Siemian, Paxton Lynch.
Chiefs: Alex Smith, Patrick Mahomes, Tyler Bray.
Chargers: Philip Rivers, Cardale Jones.
Raiders: Derek Carr, Connor Cook, EJ Manuel.

Cowboys: Dak Prescott, Cooper Rush.
Giants: Eli Manning, Geno Smith, Davis Webb.
Eagles: Carson Wentz, Nick Foles.
Washington: Kirk Cousins, Colt McCoy.

Bears: Mike Glennon, Mitchell Trubisky, Mark Sanchez.
Lions: Matthew Stafford, Jake Rudock.
Packers: Aaron Rodgers, Brett Hundley.
Vikings: Sam Bradford, Case Keenum.

Falcons: Matt Ryan, Matt Schaub.
Panthers: Cam Newton, Derek Anderson.
Saints: Drew Brees, Chase Daniel.
Buccaneers: Jameis Winston, Ryan Fitzpatrick, *-Ryan Griffin.

Cardinals: Carson Palmer, Drew Stanton, Blaine Gabbert.
Rams: Jared Goff, Sean Mannion.
49ers: Brian Hoyer, C.J. Beathard.
Seahawks: Russell Wilson, Austin Davis.
 
Having only two QBs on the roster is not uncommon in the NFL. In 2013, 14 teams in the NFL had only 2 QBs on the 53 man roster. Because BOB has enough confidence in Watson to make him the no. 2 QB, Weeden became expendable and his roster spot can be used for a player who will actually see the field. I hate to see Weeden gone, but I think it was the right decision. Talent on the field is better than talent on the roster that will (hopefully) never see the field. If we get to the third string QB, our season is likely over and it doesn't matter anyway.

I agree with the bolded part. But given the Texans history, we'll end up with a QB on the team that isn't on it now, and for any number of reasons. I don't see any way that the Texans go through this entire season without bringing on another QB at some point.
 
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