Official 2010 Training Camp Thread

[small nizzle]

and the depth chart shows the ineptitude of the good ol boys smith and kubiak

first off many mistakes,

rackers should be ahead of brown by far ,and he isnt because of the money they gave brown

earl should be ahead of cody and okoye,and isnt because kubes is "loyal" to veterans

casey should be ahead of dreessen but isnt because of the denver ties of dreessen

reeves,molden,bennett should be ahead of kareem,but isnt because kareem might cry

white and smith should be ahead of myers but isnt because of denver ties again

barwin should be ahead of smith but isnt because of loyalty and money,and probably a under table promise

booty should be ahead of dan but isnt because of money paid to dan

basically ,half the chart is upsetting and wrong,and shows that denver,money,loyalty is more important than winning

thats why there isnt a playoff birth yet, bill cowher watch begins

ps:one schaub injury away from losing season

 

[gary]

I think the roster is almost the same as 09 when we were just one win away from the playoffs. So, some just need to the facts.

 

[Ryan]

Notes from today's practice:

Kareem Jackson certainly looked much better today. Got beat by AJ a few times, but that goes without saying, and got beat by K-Dub on a post route over the middle, but other than that looked much improved from the version i saw last week.

Glover Quin is still our #1 at this point in my opinion. Hopefully we won't keep the rookie on Reggie Wayne come week 1.

#42 Torri Williams had 2 picks today and another pass deflection. He was looking very promising, let's see if he makes the final cut.

Ben Tate looked much much better today as well. Got in and out of cuts very quickly and has the speed to match. Foster still looked the best, with Tate, Slaton, Henry, and J. Johnson following him.

In the kicking competition today, Rackers went 6-6 and Kris Brown went 4-6. They did one kick at 33, 38, 43, 48, and two at 53 from different angles. KB's misses came at 48 and 53 down the middle.

Orlovsky was making some solid throws, followed by some very questionable ones, like missing a wide open Chris Henry off of a play-action rollout. Didn't pay much attention when Booty was throwing.

Once again, failed to pay too much attention to the trenches, but no real excuses this time.

Barwin made a pick dropping into coverage today. Impressive, but not quite sure how i feel about him dropping into coverage in the first place.

Jacoby and K-Dub were neither really impressive today, but i think JJ looked better.

Dickerson blew by defenders on a streak route that got himself a TD...he keeps getting better and better. Didn't see too much today from Bobby Williams, the guy who Kubiak has been repping.

In other news, Pollard and Cushing knocked the piss out of people, Schaub looked good, and Andre Johnson is still a beast.

 

[gary]

I am glad Jackson looked better today but I did not go today I'll be out there on Monday moring.

 

[Tailgate]

and the depth chart shows the ineptitude of the good ol boys smith and kubiak

first off many mistakes,

rackers should be ahead of brown by far ,and he isnt because of the money they gave brown

earl should be ahead of cody and okoye,and isnt because kubes is "loyal" to veterans

casey should be ahead of dreessen but isnt because of the denver ties of dreessen

reeves,molden,bennett should be ahead of kareem,but isnt because kareem might cry

white and smith should be ahead of myers but isnt because of denver ties again

barwin should be ahead of smith but isnt because of loyalty and money,and probably a under table promise

booty should be ahead of dan but isnt because of money paid to dan

basically ,half the chart is upsetting and wrong,and shows that denver,money,loyalty is more important than winning

thats why there isnt a playoff birth yet, bill cowher watch begins

ps:one schaub injury away from losing season

You should totally start coaching or at least apply for a GM spot. Do you understand what the word unofficial means?

 

[Wolf]

Some people on tates facebook made comments that Tate juked Cushing pretty good. any truth to that?(it wasn't tate that made the comment)

 

[Texas T]

Notes from today's practice:

Kareem Jackson certainly looked much better today. Got beat by AJ a few times, but that goes without saying, and got beat by K-Dub on a post route over the middle, but other than that looked much improved from the version i saw last week.

Glover Quin is still our #1 at this point in my opinion. Hopefully we won't keep the rookie on Reggie Wayne come week 1.

#42 Torri Williams had 2 picks today and another pass deflection. He was looking very promising, let's see if he makes the final cut.

Ben Tate looked much much better today as well. Got in and out of cuts very quickly and has the speed to match. Foster still looked the best, with Tate, Slaton, Henry, and J. Johnson following him.

In the kicking competition today, Rackers went 6-6 and Kris Brown went 4-6. They did one kick at 33, 38, 43, 48, and two at 53 from different angles. KB's misses came at 48 and 53 down the middle.

Orlovsky was making some solid throws, followed by some very questionable ones, like missing a wide open Chris Henry off of a play-action rollout. Didn't pay much attention when Booty was throwing.

Once again, failed to pay too much attention to the trenches, but no real excuses this time.

Barwin made a pick dropping into coverage today. Impressive, but not quite sure how i feel about him dropping into coverage in the first place.

Jacoby and K-Dub were neither really impressive today, but i think JJ looked better.

Dickerson blew by defenders on a streak route that got himself a TD...he keeps getting better and better. Didn't see too much today from Bobby Williams, the guy who Kubiak has been repping.

In other news, Pollard and Cushing knocked the piss out of people, Schaub looked good, and Andre Johnson is still a beast.

This all sounds really promising.
I'm glad to hear that KJ keeps getting better (not that anyone thinks he'll be able to stop 'Dre)
Also happy about Tate's improvement. This looks to be our best running year yet!!

+Rep for keeping us in the loop-Thanks!

 

[Tailgate]

I like this quote from Kubiak today...

(on if there is anything different that he could gauge right now with this team compared to past teams) "There's two things that jump at me right now. I like the way we're running the ball on offense. I like some of the things that we're doing. (offensive line coach) John (Benton) and (offensive coordinator) Rick (Dennison) are doing some of the things that we added. I like the fact that we've got a few backs that make some big plays. The biggest thing, and you'll probably see every day, is to see that the defense is so much improved every day. They're making plays every day. There's no highs and lows. They're very consistent at what they're doing and that's very pleasing."

http://www.houstontexans.com/news/Story.asp?story_id=6261

 

[small nizzle]

at this point Im almost hoping that Kris Brown shanks a game costing field goal..(and it wouldnt be the first) just so I can say "I told you so" also for more to support me in the effort to put rackers ahead of brown

best case scenario,is in preseason brown shanks his first 2 fg and that way regardless of money owed to Brown, Kubiak will have NO CHOICE but to pick rackers

as of right now, im convinced kris brown has pics of kubes in a tutu

 

[gary]

at this point Im almost hoping that Kris Brown shanks a game costing field goal..(and it wouldnt be the first) just so I can say "I told you so" also for more to support me in the effort to put rackers ahead of brown

best case scenario,is in preseason brown shanks his first 2 fg and that way regardless of money owed to Brown, Kubiak will have NO CHOICE but to pick rackers

as of right now, im convinced kris brown has pics of kubes in a tutu

Neg rep for this guy from me.

 

[jaayteetx]

and the depth chart shows the ineptitude of the good ol boys smith and kubiak

first off many mistakes,

rackers should be ahead of brown by far ,and he isnt because of the money they gave brown

earl should be ahead of cody and okoye,and isnt because kubes is "loyal" to veterans

casey should be ahead of dreessen but isnt because of the denver ties of dreessen

reeves,molden,bennett should be ahead of kareem,but isnt because kareem might cry

white and smith should be ahead of myers but isnt because of denver ties again

barwin should be ahead of smith but isnt because of loyalty and money,and probably a under table promise

booty should be ahead of dan but isnt because of money paid to dan

basically ,half the chart is upsetting and wrong,and shows that denver,money,loyalty is more important than winning

thats why there isnt a playoff birth yet, bill cowher watch begins

ps:one schaub injury away from losing season

Man, little pessimistic are we? Its an UNOFFICIAL depth chart first off, so its not worth the paper it would be printed on. I'll address a couple of your concerns though, Bennett isn't even going to make this team so how do you figure he should be ahead of Jackson? As for a Schaub injury, do you realize Indy is one Manning injury away from a losing season as well? Cowher isn't coming here, relax bro.

 

[Ryan]

Some people on tates facebook made comments that Tate juked Cushing pretty good. any truth to that?(it wasn't tate that made the comment)

Oh yeah, he did. I'm not sure if Cush was going full speed or not, but it certainly was a nice move.

 

[gary]

Face it people our team stinks.

 

[J_R]

The Texans’ sideline erupted when roookie cornerback Kareem Jackson (5-10, 197) laid out right tackle Eric Winston (6-7, 317) in the right flat on a screen pass. “That there was kind of tough,” Texans coach Gary Kubiak said afterward. “We know he’ll hit you. We saw him do it at Alabama. If you play for (defense backs coach) David (Gibbs) and you’re a corner, then you’re going to tackle.” Jackson got burned by Johnson early in practice on a route 20 yards down field, but the first-round draft pick rebounded to break up a pass from Dan Orlovsky to Jacoby Jones toward the end of practice.

Fullback Vonta Leach – AKA “The Hammer,” “Big Bruiser,” "Big Punisher" and a host of other nicknames related to being the 6-0, 263-pound hard hitter that he is – leveled cornerback Antwaun Molden on an outside stretch play to the left to clear a path for rookie running back Ben Tate. “We’re trying to get the running game going,” Leach said. “We’re trying to be physical at the point of attack and things. Every time you look up and read something, it seems like running back is the weakest link on our offense, so we’ve got to come out and we’ve got something to prove.”

Kickers Kris Brown and Neil Rackers alternated field goal attempts from the following distances: 32, 37, 42, 47 and 52 yards. Brown was 4-of-6, missing wide right from 42 and 52. Rackers was 6-of-6.

http://www.houstontexans.com/blog/index.asp?post_id=1301

Mr. Brown still seems to be struggling. 4-5 the first day, both Rackers 5-6 the next, Brown 4-6 today, iIrc.

 

[J_R]

http://www.examiner.com/examiner/x-...ing-camp-notes--Day-8?cid=sharing_twitter:778

 

[JB]

at this point Im almost hoping that Kris Brown shanks a game costing field goal..(and it wouldnt be the first) just so I can say "I told you so" also for more to support me in the effort to put rackers ahead of brown

best case scenario,is in preseason brown shanks his first 2 fg and that way regardless of money owed to Brown, Kubiak will have NO CHOICE but to pick rackers

as of right now, im convinced kris brown has pics of kubes in a tutu

No, actually that is sad, not funny

 

[False Start]

The Texans’ sideline erupted when roookie cornerback Kareem Jackson (5-10, 197) laid out right tackle Eric Winston (6-7, 317) in the right flat on a screen pass. “That there was kind of tough,” Texans coach Gary Kubiak said afterward. “We know he’ll hit you. We saw him do it at Alabama. If you play for (defense backs coach) David (Gibbs) and you’re a corner, then you’re going to tackle.” Jackson got burned by Johnson early in practice on a route 20 yards down field, but the first-round draft pick rebounded to break up a pass from Dan Orlovsky to Jacoby Jones toward the end of practice.

Damn, Eric........ you might want to stop getting punked by rookies, and getting into fights.

 

[b0ng]

I'm not really hearing much about the lines. Specifically, how are the interiors of each line?

edit: In my head small_nizzle is just richard justice's TT account.

 

[JB]

I'm not really hearing much about the lines. Specifically, how are the interiors of each line?

edit: In my head small_nizzle is just richard justice's TT account.

that is funny right there!

 

[gary]

The O line has looked alright when I have been out there. Nothing really too jaw dropping from the D line just alright at least from what I could see.

 

[J_R]

I'm not really hearing much about the lines. Specifically, how are the interiors of each line?

edit: In my head small_nizzle is just richard justice's TT account.

From what I hear/read, sounds like they're still doing some mixing and matching in the interior, getting different looks. Nothing probably gonna change but who knows.

 

[False Start]

edit: In my head small_nizzle is just richard justice's TT account.

Just maybe........ at least hes honest about it.

 

[rmartin65]

Neg rep for this guy from me.

Yeah, I got him.

Anyway, glad to hear KJax is doing better. Actually it sounds like all the rookies are preforming alright at least. Except for McMannis (I know I misspelled that, sorry) and Smith, I dont hear anything about them, good or bad.

 

[gary]

Yeah, I got him.

Anyway, glad to hear KJax is doing better. Actually it sounds like all the rookies are preforming alright at least. Except for McMannis (I know I misspelled that, sorry) and Smith, I dont hear anything about them, good or bad.

I'll try to watch them on Monday.

 

[Lucky]

first off many mistakes

Yes, you have made many mistakes. But, it's training camp and I'm sure you will improve over the course of the season.

Notes from today's practice:

In the kicking competition today, Rackers went 6-6 and Kris Brown went 4-6. They did one kick at 33, 38, 43, 48, and two at 53 from different angles. KB's misses came at 48 and 53 down the middle.

Very nice report, and this looks like the accurate yardage (which is different than the practice report from the official site). Rackers' kicks look under control. Brown looks like he's trying to punch the ball through. This is no contest, Rackers should be given the job now and give Brown an opportunity to find a job elsewhere.

I would like to ask the folks who went to TC if you've noticed whether we were in the 3-3 Defense some? And if so, who was doing what?

Any 3-4 at all?

All I saw was 4-3 and Nickel, today. Though they did run some zone blitz (once on a Barwin interception of Schaub).

I'm not really hearing much about the lines. Specifically, how are the interiors of each line?

I thought the starting d-line missed Mario, though Barwin looks more like a true DE than last season. Despite the questioning of his "intensity", Williams impact is felt on the defense. Even during practice.

Okoye looks tiny for a DT. Small DTs have had success in the league over the years. And I'm talking relatively small, in comparison to their era. In the '70s, Alan Page played in the 240s when most of the DTs went in the 270 lb range. John Randle played at 265 lbs, when most went around 290 lbs. So maybe this can work for Amobi. But, I saw him stoned on a pass rush by Chris Myers. Maybe Myers has gotten much stronger over the off season? Else....well, draw your own conclusions.

The plays I focused on Mitchell usually were running plays. Which ended up with Earl either being run out of the play or pancaked. To me, Mitchell looks like pass rush specialist, at this point. We'll see. I will say that this was a very quiet day for DeMeco and the other MLBs. That's telling me that the DTs aren't doing their job of keeping the blockers off the 2nd level.

 

[HouSportsWriter]

I had a blast!!!!!!!


I got to meet J.Jones,David Anderson Chris Myers , Antwaun Moldin and Dominic Barber

all signed my jersey =d

 

[gary]

Mom came in and asked me if I was ready to go this morning I was not about to get out of bed. Bummer.

 

[HouSportsWriter]

you can quote me on this ok


a freind and i was watching the offence stretch when jacoby jones came close to the o-line

i screamed "jacoby are you going to be our number #2 or #3"


he screamed back


"man all i want to do is win games"



thats what i want to here!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[HouSportsWriter]

Mom came in and asked me if I was ready to go this morning I was not about to get out of bed. Bummer.

i looked for you maby next year man =]

 

[gary]

I have been going to all of them thus far and am going to go one more time.

 

[The Pencil Neck]

Yeah, I got him.

Anyway, glad to hear KJax is doing better. Actually it sounds like all the rookies are preforming alright at least. Except for McMannis (I know I misspelled that, sorry) and Smith, I dont hear anything about them, good or bad.

Oh, no. McManis has been doing really good. He's pushing hard for a spot on the 53 (goodbye, Bennett) and even got some good reps with the 1's today from what I read.

Smith, I haven't heard good things about which is sad because I had high hopes for him.

 

[gary]

I hope Fred is out.

 

[rmartin65]

Oh, no. McManis has been doing really good. He's pushing hard for a spot on the 53 (goodbye, Bennett) and even got some good reps with the 1's today from what I read.

Smith, I haven't heard good things about which is sad because I had high hopes for him.

That is great to hear! Thanks.

I was high on Smith as well. Tough interior lineman with underrated athletic ability, I was hoping he would be a starting guard in a couple years, and getting a backup spot this year. Its not like the Texans line is really deep with talent.

 

[gary]

I do not see Shelly hanging around.

 

[HouSportsWriter]

guys i forgot to mention


"kickers"
brown was 4 - 6
rackers was 6 - 6

i think brown gets cut

 

[gary]

guys i forgot to mention


"kickers"
brown was 4 - 6
rackers was 6 - 6

i think brown gets cut

Only to be blamed if the Texans do not make the playoffs next season. LOL

 

[JB]

Only to be blamed if the Texans do not make the playoffs next season. LOL

Won't be blamed if he is doing his job.

 

[edo783]

Mom came in and asked me if I was ready to go this morning I was not about to get out of bed. Bummer.

Geeezzzz, drunk again Gary??? Cut it back a bit man. LOL Say Hi to your mom and her sister for me. Fun ladies.

 

[CloakNNNdagger]

Okoye looks tiny for a DT. Small DTs have had success in the league over the years. And I'm talking relatively small, in comparison to their era. In the '70s, Alan Page played in the 240s when most of the DTs went in the 270 lb range. John Randle played at 265 lbs, when most went around 290 lbs. So maybe this can work for Amobi. But, I saw him stoned on a pass rush by Chris Myers. Maybe Myers has gotten much stronger over the off season? Else....well, draw your own conclusions.

The plays I focused on Mitchell usually were running plays. Which ended up with Earl either being run out of the play or pancaked. To me, Mitchell looks like pass rush specialist, at this point. We'll see. I will say that this was a very quiet day for DeMeco and the other MLBs. That's telling me that the DTs aren't doing their job of keeping the blockers off the 2nd level.

Two thoughts.

First. Our lines are relatively small with questionable overall "strength." And Amobi's gotten even smaller. So now we're watching our two relatively light lines with questionable strength going at each other. What happens when these line compete against other teams' lines? Although that seems not to concern some, including Kubiak, it still concerns me. I'm not of the school that finesse/technique alone is likely to trump size and strength.

Second. We better have well-establish 1st team DL and OL by the second half of the preseason. If we're still tinkering with the lines into the beginning of the regular season like we have done in all years past, my concern level for a successful season will hit the red level relatively soon.

 

[gary]

Geeezzzz, drunk again Gary??? Cut it back a bit man. LOL Say Hi to your mom and her sister for me. Fun ladies.

It was a hangover.

 

[mexican_texan]

Is there reason to believe Molden actually is ahead of Reeves in the depth chart?

 

[MojoMan]

Is there reason to believe Molden actually is ahead of Reeves in the depth chart?

Yes. And here it is:

http://www.houstontexans.com/team/depthchart.asp

 

[painekiller]

Two thoughts.

First. Our lines are relatively small with questionable overall "strength." And Amobi's gotten even smaller. So now we're watching our two relatively light lines with questionable strength going at each other. What happens when these line compete against other teams' lines? Although that seems not to concern some, including Kubiak, it still concerns me. I'm not of the school that finesse/technique alone is likely to trump size and strength.

Second. We better have well-establish 1st team DL and OL by the second half of the preseason. If we're still tinkering with the lines into the beginning of the regular season like we have done in all years past, my concern level for a successful season will hit the red level relatively soon.

I agree totally with your 1st point. As for your second point, I think the coaches are rotating the guys to give each reps with each group. By seeing Brisiel snapping with the 1st team you are getting a chance to see how he can do if you need him to. Also it allows the coaches to see if a guy is truly carrying his weight or is the guys next to him cover up for the others mistake.

Plus I think they are trying to be smarter with the number of reps guys get so they can be fresher come week one of the season.

 

[The Pencil Neck]

Is there reason to believe Molden actually is ahead of Reeves in the depth chart?

The first day of TC, when KJ hadn't signed, Molden played with the ones. Not Reeves.

That would lead me to suspect that Molden his higher on the depth chart that Reeves right now.

 

[D-Frank]

when i went to0 camp it was only the 2nd day, but on THAT day Molden looked like our best cover cb. i dont know how things are lookin right now, i just go by what i hear.

 

[playa465]

Two thoughts.

First. Our lines are relatively small with questionable overall "strength." And Amobi's gotten even smaller. So now we're watching our two relatively light lines with questionable strength going at each other. What happens when these line compete against other teams' lines? Although that seems not to concern some, including Kubiak, it still concerns me. I'm not of the school that finesse/technique alone is likely to trump size and strength.

I totally agree...plus I don't see many finesse teams on our schedule. I used to engage in debate over this on the other board alot, until it got old. The DL is what worries me the most...people mention smallish DTs have been successful in the past which is true, but if you look at those DTs they all had fierce intensity to go along with talent...where is that amongst our DTs? Big props to all who have shared info while visiting TC, looks like I may end up watching games from kimchi land again

 

[Allstar]

WR Andre Johnson

(on experience with CB Kareem Jackson) "It's been going good. When I see (CB) Kareem (Jackson) walking around, I just go and ask him if he's alright. You can kind of tell that he has a lot of information coming at him. A lot of installs and stuff goes on during training camp, all the offense and all of the defense. For me, being a veteran, I pretty much know the offense, so I don't have to think as much when I'm out there, but he does. I just try to talk to him and keep his spirits up. You can tell his mind is wandering a little bit when you see him walking around the locker room, so I always ask him if he's alright or if he has a question or anything. I talk to him about it and I just let him know I am going to work him every day and I told him he is going to make me better. By us going at each other every day, it's going to make us both better. I'm going to try to do everything I can do to make sure he is ready and be his coach."

(on being a teacher for CB Kareem Jackson) "When I go out there, I am going to try to beat him up every day. That's my approach and the way I approach every other defensive team. I give them everything I've got and they're going to do the same for me. It only makes us all better as a football team. We just go out and compete and when we go inside we talk about some of the things that happened and some of the moves we give them and some of the looks they give us so when we get on the field we can know what to expect."

God I love Andre.

 

[kiwitexansfan]

God I love Andre.

Yep, not a better combination of character and talent in the NFL right now.

 

[CloakNNNdagger]

WR Andre Johnson

(on experience with CB Kareem Jackson) "It's been going good. When I see (CB) Kareem (Jackson) walking around, I just go and ask him if he's alright. You can kind of tell that he has a lot of information coming at him. A lot of installs and stuff goes on during training camp, all the offense and all of the defense. For me, being a veteran, I pretty much know the offense, so I don't have to think as much when I'm out there, but he does. I just try to talk to him and keep his spirits up. You can tell his mind is wandering a little bit when you see him walking around the locker room, so I always ask him if he's alright or if he has a question or anything. I talk to him about it and I just let him know I am going to work him every day and I told him he is going to make me better. By us going at each other every day, it's going to make us both better. I'm going to try to do everything I can do to make sure he is ready and be his coach."

God I love Andre.

Speaks of the "greatness" we already appreciate in Andre.

I am fully aware that this is just the beginning of camp. But when I hear descriptions of Kareem being taken to task consistently not only by Andre, but by the other WRs............and then Andre gives a description of a man overwhelmed walking around dazed, I begin battling anxiety symptoms of my own.

 

[IDEXAN]

First. Our lines are relatively small with questionable overall "strength." And Amobi's gotten even smaller. So now we're watching our two relatively light lines with questionable strength going at each other. What happens when these line compete against other teams' lines? Although that seems not to concern some, including Kubiak, it still concerns me. I'm not of the school that finesse/technique alone is likely to trump size and strength.

It's not a problem, it's the perfect lineup. So long as we are ahead and the opponent is placed in a position where they have to pass the ball and our
DLine is therefor in a position where they need to rush the passer.
Now if we are behind, ah oh ! A big burly OLine will just run over our little
narrow-azzed DLine with a 3 yards-and-cloud-of-dust strategy.