O'Brien You need to deliver... yesterday.

[Texecutioner]

Hoyer was 4-5...

I'm not arguing that O'b is a good coach. The 9-7 seasons say as much, as well as the turnaround after the Miami game, & getting multiple 100 yard rushing games out of Blue. Dude can coach. I just hope he was sitting shot gun when we were looking for a new QB.

Remember when they asked him about drafting a QB in 2016 & he said, "if the boss says to get a QB, I'm going to get a QB." & Rick was looking at him like, "Shut the hell up already, there are other ways to get a QB."

I'm hoping that was a glimpse into the relationship between Rick & O'b. Not that I think Rick deserves it, but it's promising that the next guy won't be the HC's yes man & will be a true personnel guy.

Being that no one really knows whose decision it was to pass on a QB when we had the #1 pick where we picked Clowney makes it all moot. There isn't any reason to speculate about it. The team made the decision they made at the time, and it was a mistake. They ended up with a pretty good prospect for fans to look forward to now that has the potential that most high first round draft picks have.

 

[Texansballer74]

Agreed none of us know exactly what was going on in that war room. Personally I thought it was Coach O'Brien's decision to bring both Hoyer and Mallett over. I remember reading an article that said Mr. McNair doesn't believe you need a elite QB to win the Superbowl. (paraphrasing of course). So coach brought those two players thinking he could work a miracle with either one of them. He did pretty good if you ask me.

Now Mr. McNair realized he was wrong so he came out and said, " get me a freaking real QB in here ASAP". Since they had there eyes on Brock and Denver's mismanaging their own situation. Well here we are today. I surely hope Brock is that man so we all can get alone around these parts. LOL

 

[TxnsJuggernaut]

Statistically 61% of his passes were completed. He threw for 7.2 ypa. He finished with an 86 passer rating. These are the kind of stats you'd like to see from your young QBs first starting experience. Plenty of reasons to be optimistic with those numbers.

The only bad statistic is his QBR which includes a lot of subjective criteria that may or may not be relevant in Brock's situation.

Statistically Brock was solid. I said he was not great statistically. What I said has to do with the way others view Brock. I am with you about being optimistic.

 

[BYDS]

That's not entirely true, first I would not have fired Kubiak but would have released Matt Schaub instead. Then I would have drafted Blake Bortles instead of Jadeveon Clowney eliminating any need for trading any draft picks in 2016. And based on my fantasy draft history the Texans would also have a Offensive Line that would rival the Dallas Cowboys.

Bortles is not a franchise QB and would have been a terrible number 1 pick.

 

[Texecutioner]

Bortles is not a franchise QB and would have been a terrible number 1 pick.

Why, because we didn't draft him? Because you say so? His production levels disagree with you.

 

[Kaiser Toro]

Why, because we didn't draft him? Because you say so? His production levels disagree with you.

Peel back the onion on his numbers against current averages of other QBs, statistically as well as wins, and his production level is average at best.

I liked Bortles out of college, and would have been ok with him as our pick at 1.1, but the story is still being written on that class.

 

[JB]

Why, because we didn't draft him? Because you say so? His production levels disagree with you.

Franchise QB yes, elite not even close

 

[Texecutioner]

Peel back the onion on his numbers against current averages of other QBs, statistically as well as wins, and his production level is average at best.

I liked Bortles out of college, and would have been ok with him as our pick at 1.1, but the story is still being written on that class.

He has done well in this first two years of being a QB on a team that has been historically horrible. His coaches and teammates have raved about his leadership, and yes he has some nice stats. People try to pick them apart on this site mainly because they don't want him to do well, and they don't want to hear that we botched the pick for Clowney. That is not productive conversation in reality to me. His numbers are better due to having a poor defense where he was forced to throw, but they're also worse because of that as well since he had to force things a lot to try and catch up on the score board. I'd also argue that since defenses knew what he was doing, and he was still producing points made it harder for him to do that. Either way, he has had a very strong start to his NFL career, and I don't expect him to all of a sudden get worse. It could happen or course. It happened to Luck last season, but the Jags have finally been doing a lot of smart things in their front office. They're going to be a force to be reckoned with pretty soon.

 

[Texecutioner]

Franchise QB yes, elite not even close

I wouldn't call him elite at this point. No. I'd say his offensive numbers are getting close to being in that range from a statistical standpoint if he continues to improve even slightly. His TO numbers definitely need to decrease to balance out better ratios for sure. A lot of that had to do with having to pass down the stretch of almost every game where other teams knew it.

I only consider about 3 to 4 QB's elite most of the time. Otherwise, the title of it gets watered down.

Brady and Rodgers are the only guys if you ask me. Cam Newton if he has one more year back to back like last season, but he has to do it at least two years in a row before being called elite. Brees is no longer the QB he once was, and Luck regressed last season when people thought he would have jumped into that class. I'd put Newton in that 2nd tier with guys like Ben, Rivers, and Russell Wilson. Wilson could also jump into that mix this season as well.

 

[sandman]

He has done well in this first two years of being a QB on a team that has been historically horrible. His coaches and teammates have raved about his leadership, and yes he has some nice stats. People try to pick them apart on this site mainly because they don't want him to do well, and they don't want to hear that we botched the pick for Clowney. That is not productive conversation in reality to me. His numbers are better due to having a poor defense where he was forced to throw, but they're also worse because of that as well since he had to force things a lot to try and catch up on the score board. I'd also argue that since defenses knew what he was doing, and he was still producing points made it harder for him to do that. Either way, he has had a very strong start to his NFL career, and I don't expect him to all of a sudden get worse. It could happen or course. It happened to Luck last season, but the Jags have finally been doing a lot of smart things in their front office. They're going to be a force to be reckoned with pretty soon.

3 seasons before Bortles: 5,2 and 4 wins (3.67 average)

2 seasons with Bortles: 3 and 5 wins (4.00 average)

In the end, this is the only stat that matters.

But since you are talking very strong start, this isn't picking him apart. These are tangible stats: Last year he led the league in Sacks, INT's, Pick 6's and Fumbles (for all positions). For the most part, that has nothing to do with a bad defense as much as bad decision making. Can he overcome that bad decision making? We shall see. I don't wish him ill will, but I can objectively assess his performance and it have nothing to do with Clowney.

 

[Mr teX]

Why, because we didn't draft him? Because you say so? His production levels disagree with you.

I believe it was because OB considered Bortles too much of a project..And rightfully so imo b/c he wasn't nearly as polished as the other prospects of TB, Carr and Garrapolo coming out.....at least 2 of which we know could've been had later in the 2nd. OB saw that the only thing putting Bortles at the top of the qb class that year were his measureables. The other prospects had all outproduced him in college & were at least as accomplished. That Coupled with OB's system supposedly so complicated to learn & the fact that he would've been pressured to start Bortles right away if he'd selected him #1 overall likely would've been a recipe for failure for both he & Bortles. Apart from that, it wouldn't have been the best use of draft resources.

Tremendous drop-off in DE/LB talent from the 1st to the 2nd that year...... Not so much for qb talent.

 

[Double Barrel]

Why, because we didn't draft him? Because you say so? His production levels disagree with you.

I have no problem with the take that he's a franchise QB, but he was not our franchise's QB. He's not a good fit for O'Brien's system. (He probably would be great in Kubiak's bootleg-happy WCO, though).

Read this analysis of Greg Olson, the Jaguars OC. He adapts his scheme to fit the players he has on hand. This is a key paragraph comparing the previous OC and Olson:

"In the first two years of the new regime, the Jaguars employed Jedd Fisch as their offensive coordinator with a zone-blocking scheme and a quick pass offense that revolved around getting the ball out quickly, precision short-passing and bubble screens. Lots and lots of bubble screens. That seemed to fit the likes of Chad Henne and Blaine Gabbert at the time, but when the Jaguars drafted Blake Bortles, many wondered how the offense would change, because all of those things were things Bortles was not good at.

Fisch ended up getting fired, because it didn’t work. At all. The Jaguars offense in 2014 was atrocious.

Enter Greg Olson, the chameleon, and suddenly the Jaguars have an explosive offense. Sure, he gets the benefit of a lot of these younger players having been bled in the NFL for a season and are in the middle of their development, but Olson has put them in positions to succeed. No longer are the Jaguars operating a quick passing game with bubble screens, but instead they lean towards Bortles strengths. The offense rolls and moves the pocket. The offense attacks the intermediate area of the field and they’re aggressive down the field. All things that Bortles is good at."

The blue bolded is pretty much describing the NE system that O'Brien uses. Advanced pre-snap reads and quick release after the snap. The QB needs to know where he plans to throw the ball before its snapped. O'Brien doesn't do bootlegs much. He wants a pocket passer with the brain of a field general.

The red bolded is Olson's current scheme, which is basically a version of the zone-read. This obviously works well for Bortles.

If O'Brien had picked Bortles, they would have struggled with each other. It is clear that O'Brien is looking for QBs to fit his scheme, and he's not a coach that is going to change his scheme to fit the player (unless it's adapting to dire situations like starting Keenum, Weeden, Yates, due to injuries).

 

[Mr teX]

I have no problem with the take that he's a franchise QB, but he was not our franchise's QB. He's not a good fit for O'Brien's system. (He probably would be great in Kubiak's bootleg-happy WCO, though).

Read this analysis of Greg Olson, the Jaguars OC. He adapts his scheme to fit the players he has on hand. This is a key paragraph comparing the previous OC and Olson:

"In the first two years of the new regime, the Jaguars employed Jedd Fisch as their offensive coordinator with a zone-blocking scheme and a quick pass offense that revolved around getting the ball out quickly, precision short-passing and bubble screens. Lots and lots of bubble screens. That seemed to fit the likes of Chad Henne and Blaine Gabbert at the time, but when the Jaguars drafted Blake Bortles, many wondered how the offense would change, because all of those things were things Bortles was not good at.

Fisch ended up getting fired, because it didn’t work. At all. The Jaguars offense in 2014 was atrocious.

Enter Greg Olson, the chameleon, and suddenly the Jaguars have an explosive offense. Sure, he gets the benefit of a lot of these younger players having been bled in the NFL for a season and are in the middle of their development, but Olson has put them in positions to succeed. No longer are the Jaguars operating a quick passing game with bubble screens, but instead they lean towards Bortles strengths. The offense rolls and moves the pocket. The offense attacks the intermediate area of the field and they’re aggressive down the field. All things that Bortles is good at."

The blue bolded is pretty much describing the NE system that O'Brien uses. Advanced pre-snap reads and quick release after the snap. The QB needs to know where he plans to throw the ball before its snapped. O'Brien doesn't do bootlegs much. He wants a pocket passer with the bran of a field general.

The red bolded is Olson's current scheme, which is basically a version of the zone-read. This obviously works well for Bortles.

If O'Brien had picked Bortles, they would have struggled with each other. It is clear that O'Brien is looking for QBs to fit his scheme, and he's not a coach that is going to change his scheme to fit the player (unless it's adapting to dire situations like starting Keenum, Weeden, Yates, due to injuries).

Excellent post DB..I would also contend that Bortles' talents throwing downfield are somewhat overstated imo. There's plenty of what i like to call "the calvin johnson effect" with the Allen brothers making him look good by going up & snatching anything he throws in their vicinity as opposed to him dropping dimes with precision passing.

 

[Number19]

I have no problem with the take that he's a franchise QB, but he was not our franchise's QB. He's not a good fit for O'Brien's system. (He probably would be great in Kubiak's bootleg-happy WCO, though).

Read this analysis of Greg Olson, the Jaguars OC. He adapts his scheme to fit the players he has on hand. This is a key paragraph comparing the previous OC and Olson:

"In the first two years of the new regime, the Jaguars employed Jedd Fisch as their offensive coordinator with a zone-blocking scheme and a quick pass offense that revolved around getting the ball out quickly, precision short-passing and bubble screens. Lots and lots of bubble screens. That seemed to fit the likes of Chad Henne and Blaine Gabbert at the time, but when the Jaguars drafted Blake Bortles, many wondered how the offense would change, because all of those things were things Bortles was not good at.

Fisch ended up getting fired, because it didn’t work. At all. The Jaguars offense in 2014 was atrocious.

Enter Greg Olson, the chameleon, and suddenly the Jaguars have an explosive offense. Sure, he gets the benefit of a lot of these younger players having been bled in the NFL for a season and are in the middle of their development, but Olson has put them in positions to succeed. No longer are the Jaguars operating a quick passing game with bubble screens, but instead they lean towards Bortles strengths. The offense rolls and moves the pocket. The offense attacks the intermediate area of the field and they’re aggressive down the field. All things that Bortles is good at."

The blue bolded is pretty much describing the NE system that O'Brien uses. Advanced pre-snap reads and quick release after the snap. The QB needs to know where he plans to throw the ball before its snapped. O'Brien doesn't do bootlegs much. He wants a pocket passer with the brain of a field general.

The red bolded is Olson's current scheme, which is basically a version of the zone-read. This obviously works well for Bortles.

If O'Brien had picked Bortles, they would have struggled with each other. It is clear that O'Brien is looking for QBs to fit his scheme, and he's not a coach that is going to change his scheme to fit the player (unless it's adapting to dire situations like starting Keenum, Weeden, Yates, due to injuries).

Excellent. If you've followed my comments in various threads, I'm stating the opinion that the strength of our offense is in our WR's and favor an aggressive downfield attack, that is, what is highlighted in red above. My concern is that OB is going to misuse our talent and use the blue highlighted NE offense.

 

[Double Barrel]

Excellent. If you've followed my comments in various threads, I'm stating the opinion that the strength of our offense is in our WR's and favor an aggressive downfield attack, that is, what is highlighted in red above. My concern is that OB is going to misuse our talent and use the blue highlighted NE offense.

Understand your concern, but I think Fuller changes that formula. O'Brien likes to say he's got a "game plan offense", in which he uses the metaphor of tools in a toolbox. They learn different concepts in the off-season (i.e. tools for the toolbox), and each week they pull out the tools that work best for the opposing defense.

O'Brien was in NE when they had Randy Moss, so he saw firsthand what a deep threat can do for this particular scheme. Forcing safeties to respect a deep threat opens up the short/mid passing game and running lanes, since a blitzing safety can be exploited by a burner like Fuller.

I'm a bit more optimistic with Brock and his current weapons and this NE-hybrid system. Obviously, time will tell us what's up.

 

[xtruroyaltyx]

Excellent. If you've followed my comments in various threads, I'm stating the opinion that the strength of our offense is in our WR's and favor an aggressive downfield attack, that is, what is highlighted in red above. My concern is that OB is going to misuse our talent and use the blue highlighted NE offense.

When the pats had Moss and stallworth they went downfield a bunch. (Also when OB was there)

Now they don't have that take the top off guy and their players strengths are the short to intermediate area.

 

[DocBar]

Understand your concern, but I think Fuller changes that formula. O'Brien likes to say he's got a "game plan offense", in which he uses the metaphor of tools in a toolbox. They learn different concepts in the off-season (i.e. tools for the toolbox), and each week they pull out the tools that work best for the opposing defense.

O'Brien was in NE when they had Randy Moss, so he saw firsthand what a deep threat can do for this particular scheme. Forcing safeties to respect a deep threat opens up the short/mid passing game and running lanes, since a blitzing safety can be exploited by a burner like Fuller.

I'm a bit more optimistic with Brock and his current weapons and this NE-hybrid system. Obviously, time will tell us what's up.

We've seen bootlegs a few times this preseason and they've mostly worked. I even posted on here that it was vintage Kubiak on one play. We've also seen the O attack intermediate and deep routes with some success. From what I've seen this preseason, the Texans are going to pass to set up the run, if they even bother to try and establish the run. NE-hybrid is a very good description of what I think we'll see.

 

[Double Barrel]

We've seen bootlegs a few times this preseason and they've mostly worked. I even posted on here that it was vintage Kubiak on one play. We've also seen the O attack intermediate and deep routes with some success. From what I've seen this preseason, the Texans are going to pass to set up the run, if they even bother to try and establish the run. NE-hybrid is a very good description of what I think we'll see.

Yep. I don't doubt that Brock brought some of the bootleg concepts with him and O'Brien is giving it a test run for another tool in his toolbox. I don't think they will rely on it as much as Kubiak does, but it certainly can be something else that the opposing defenses have to plan for every week.

 

[DocBar]

Question on one thing: is there any data, at all, that can show if pre snap or post snap has more success? I can see where post snap could have more success, but only if the QB has time to make the read and find the open guy. That should take a fair amount of "football time", as in 3 seconds or more.

 

[DocBar]

Yep. I don't doubt that Brock brought some of the bootleg concepts with him and O'Brien is giving it a test run for another tool in his toolbox. I don't think they will rely on it as much as Kubiak does, but it certainly can be something else that the opposing defenses have to plan for every week.

Os has been pretty accurate when he's on the move. Impressive for a man his size.

 

[DocBar]

Yep. I don't doubt that Brock brought some of the bootleg concepts with him and O'Brien is giving it a test run for another tool in his toolbox. I don't think they will rely on it as much as Kubiak does, but it certainly can be something else that the opposing defenses have to plan for every week.

Os has been pretty accurate when he's on the move. Impressive for a man his size.

 

[Double Barrel]

Question on one thing: is there any data, at all, that can show if pre snap or post snap has more success? I can see where post snap could have more success, but only if the QB has time to make the read and find the open guy. That should take a fair amount of "football time", as in 3 seconds or more.

I think it takes a very cerebral QB to do it consistently with success. Manning and Brady are known to have the quickest release from center, and both of these guys are so deep into film study and knowing defensive concepts and tendencies that they have the mental capacity to make those pre-snap decisions.

This can really take a lot of pressure off pass protection when the o-line only has to block for less than 3 seconds. It's one of the reasons why Brady usually has low sack numbers. I remember an interview with Manning many years ago after he became friends with Brady and they shared a lot of QB knowledge with each other. Manning, being one of the smartest QBs to ever live, made it a point to try to have a faster release than Brady. They traded the 'title' for many seasons.

 

[DocBar]

I think it takes a very cerebral QB to do it consistently with success. Manning and Brady are known to have the quickest release from center, and both of these guys are so deep into film study and knowing defensive concepts and tendencies that they have the mental capacity to make those pre-snap decisions.

This can really take a lot of pressure off pass protection when the o-line only has to block for less than 3 seconds. It's one of the reasons why Brady usually has low sack numbers. I remember an interview with Manning many years ago after he became friends with Brady and they shared a lot of QB knowledge with each other. Manning, being one of the smartest QBs to ever live, made it a point to try to have a faster release than Brady. They traded the 'title' for many seasons.

Doesn't NE use pre snap reads? I could be completely mistaken on this.

 

[JB]

Doesn't NE use pre snap reads? I could be completely mistaken on this.

Isn't that what he said?

Manning and Brady are known to have the quickest release from center, and both of these guys are so deep into film study and knowing defensive concepts and tendencies that they have the mental capacity to make those pre-snap decisions.

 

[speedfreek]

I write like I talk (read it aloud)
The last sentence starts with an implied "if". I NEVER root against any of my teams.
College/pro/am..

Belichick has a HoF career based on owning one of the crappiest divisions in football. Teams play the opponents on their schedule. This is not NCAA where opinion of opponents means something in the final results.

While I certainly agree with your idealism that they are professionals and should not quit, 2-14 in 2013 undermines the narrative. It happens. Sometimes a team devolves into just a collection of players. It's on the head coach to hold it together. In 2013 Kubiak failed in that regard and lost his job because of it. One of the most patient and understanding owners in the NFL could not continue on with it.

Bizarre thing is that you last sentences comes off as a desire on your part. Strange to see fans of a team actively rooting against a team because they dislike the coach.

 

[thunderkyss]

My biggest issues with Bortles was that he didn't play in a pro system, he didn't play in a "traditional" football conference, & he didn't start for three years. That doesn't mean he was undraftable, only that he wasn't a top 10 pick. Late first, mid second, I wouldn't have had an issue drafting him, Bridgewater, or Carr.

I'd be concerned about his ability to adapt to the speed of the NFL, the level of competition, the ability to lead players more talented than he is, his consistency, & his ability to perform at a high level when expectations are high.

I think the Jags rolled the dice & so far so good. I don't think he's proven anything yet, I haven't seen anything to make me regret not taking him #1 overall. I haven't seen anything to make me think he'll be more than Romo, Schaub, Stafford. Nothing to make me think he'll ever win a SuperbOwl. & I'm glad we're not going to waste next season proving it.


Would I have liked to not waste Jj years on Fitz & Hoyer? Absolutely. But that doesn't mean I would rather waste those years on Bortles.

 

[xtruroyaltyx]

Question on one thing: is there any data, at all, that can show if pre snap or post snap has more success? I can see where post snap could have more success, but only if the QB has time to make the read and find the open guy. That should take a fair amount of "football time", as in 3 seconds or more.

Are you talking about the difference between how a qb approaches plays in a kubiak type system vs a OB type system?

There's pre and post snap reads in both offenses. The biggest differences is what they are reading and how they respond to those reads pre and post snap.

If that's not what you meant then my bad, carry on.

 

[Texecutioner]

I have no problem with the take that he's a franchise QB, but he was not our franchise's QB. He's not a good fit for O'Brien's system. (He probably would be great in Kubiak's bootleg-happy WCO, though).

Read this analysis of Greg Olson, the Jaguars OC. He adapts his scheme to fit the players he has on hand. This is a key paragraph comparing the previous OC and Olson:

"In the first two years of the new regime, the Jaguars employed Jedd Fisch as their offensive coordinator with a zone-blocking scheme and a quick pass offense that revolved around getting the ball out quickly, precision short-passing and bubble screens. Lots and lots of bubble screens. That seemed to fit the likes of Chad Henne and Blaine Gabbert at the time, but when the Jaguars drafted Blake Bortles, many wondered how the offense would change, because all of those things were things Bortles was not good at.

Fisch ended up getting fired, because it didn’t work. At all. The Jaguars offense in 2014 was atrocious.

Enter Greg Olson, the chameleon, and suddenly the Jaguars have an explosive offense. Sure, he gets the benefit of a lot of these younger players having been bled in the NFL for a season and are in the middle of their development, but Olson has put them in positions to succeed. No longer are the Jaguars operating a quick passing game with bubble screens, but instead they lean towards Bortles strengths. The offense rolls and moves the pocket. The offense attacks the intermediate area of the field and they’re aggressive down the field. All things that Bortles is good at."

The blue bolded is pretty much describing the NE system that O'Brien uses. Advanced pre-snap reads and quick release after the snap. The QB needs to know where he plans to throw the ball before its snapped. O'Brien doesn't do bootlegs much. He wants a pocket passer with the brain of a field general.

The red bolded is Olson's current scheme, which is basically a version of the zone-read. This obviously works well for Bortles.

If O'Brien had picked Bortles, they would have struggled with each other. It is clear that O'Brien is looking for QBs to fit his scheme, and he's not a coach that is going to change his scheme to fit the player (unless it's adapting to dire situations like starting Keenum, Weeden, Yates, due to injuries).

This is good information for the most part. Quite possibly a big reason why OB didn't go out of his way to get Bortles. I thought he would since he had a good relationship with his college coach. If we didn't go QB in that draft, to me the easy decision was Mack since we needed help at LB. We didn't do that either, and it has never really gotten out as to who had the most emphasis on that decision. Its all piss in the wind now any way. The Texans are stacked on offense as far as the skill players go, and we've got a QB with a great mind set and leadership qualities that are shining through him so far. I think the sky is the limit until I see otherwise. I expect to see some back and forth struggles due to the Oline and the young receivers getting their reps and learning. But by the 2nd half of the season, I think we're going to be one of the most exciting offenses if it doesn't already happen before then. Credit goes to OB and Smith for yanking Oz when they did. It wasn't something that was expected by anyone, and they literally snagged him like a thief in the night.

 

[Texecutioner]

I write like I talk (read it aloud)
The last sentence starts with an implied "if". I NEVER root against any of my teams.
College/pro/am..

Thats hard to believe considering the last two years of venom you've spewed towards the HC while clamoring to have the old one back. Are you going to jump on board this season or what?

 

[steelbtexan]

Excellent. If you've followed my comments in various threads, I'm stating the opinion that the strength of our offense is in our WR's and favor an aggressive downfield attack, that is, what is highlighted in red above. My concern is that OB is going to misuse our talent and use the blue highlighted NE offense.

All of this depends on the play of the OL.

 

[DocBar]

Are you talking about the difference between how a qb approaches plays in a kubiak type system vs a OB type system?

There's pre and post snap reads in both offenses. The biggest differences is what they are reading and how they respond to those reads pre and post snap.

If that's not what you meant then my bad, carry on.

More of a Chip Kelly vs OB system. Kelly has stated that he doesn't care much at all about pre snap reads. He's all about post snap reads. OB's system is all about the QB and WR's being on the same page pre snap.

 

[thunderkyss]

More of a Chip Kelly vs OB system. Kelly has stated that he doesn't care much at all about pre snap reads. He's all about post snap reads. OB's system is all about the QB and WR's being on the same page pre snap.

From what I heard/read about New England's offensive system (Erhardt-Perkins) there are components designed to attack different defenses. For instance, the routes on the right side are designed to take advantage of zone coverage, routes on the left are designed to take advantage of man coverage. So when the QB/receivers come to the line if they're reading a zone coverage, then the QBs reads are going to start on the right. Once the ball is snapped, maybe he'll realize the presnap look was a disguise & he'll have to progress through his reads (top to bottom, or left to right) until he finds a good outlet.

He's also got the ability to identify a favorable match-up presnap & focus on that.

I can't imagine Chip Kelly doesn't expect his QBs to start breaking down defenses before the snap.

 

[TxnsJuggernaut]

Bortles is not a franchise QB and would have been a terrible number 1 pick.

No Bortles at THIS time is no elite franchise QB but the same can be said for Marcus Mariota. The key word here is "potential". While it could be said it seems more likely that Mariota turns into an elite franchise QB there is no way of knowing for sure how the careers of these two YOUNG QB's will turn out. Bortles has shown flashes of being a future pro bowler and we can not know for sure what his overall potential is. Same goes for Mariota.

Not to mention all the variables outside the QB's doing that play into overall performace.

The Jags also have been one of the most dysfunctional teams in the league and it is only recently that they seem to be improving beyond that which in part could correlate to the drafting and handling of Blake Bortles.

 

[WolverineFan]

You have to look past the stats with Bortles (with every QB actually; context matters). A lot of his numbers came in the 2nd half of games where the Jags were letting it fly every play because they were losing.

1st Half - 12 TD passes
2nd Half - 23 TD passes

Also, his late game numbers weren't great. In the 4th quarter of one-score games he completed 49% of his passes with 4 TD's & 3 INT's.

There's a reason he was 27th in QBR despite being 7th in pass yards and tied 2nd in TD's. His efficiency was awful as he led the league in sacks, turnovers, and was 31st in completion percentage.

In contrast, a guy like Bridgewater doesn't get the respect he deserves because he plays in a ball control offense that doesn't inflate his numbers. He was 13th in efficiency last year. In the 4th quarter of one-score games he completed 72% of his passes with 2 TD's & 0 INT's.

 

[Double Barrel]

I write like I talk (read it aloud)
The last sentence starts with an implied "if". I NEVER root against any of my teams.
College/pro/am..

No problem. Just a misunderstanding, I guess.

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[thunderkyss]

You have to look past the stats with Bortles (with every QB actually; context matters).

I agree with you completely... regarding Bortles & Bridgewater. It's also important to remember, they're still young. They're still growing. There are things pointing up, things pointing down. They're most definitely not perfect, & most definitely not who they're going to be yet.

Efficiency will be important for sure as they continue their careers. Will Bortles learn from his mistakes? Will his efficiency improve as the team around him improves? Is Bridgewater learning those same lessons? Will his efficiency remain high once his run game & defense fall apart around him?

 

[DocBar]

From what I heard/read about New England's offensive system (Erhardt-Perkins) there are components designed to attack different defenses. For instance, the routes on the right side are designed to take advantage of zone coverage, routes on the left are designed to take advantage of man coverage. So when the QB/receivers come to the line if they're reading a zone coverage, then the QBs reads are going to start on the right. Once the ball is snapped, maybe he'll realize the presnap look was a disguise & he'll have to progress through his reads (top to bottom, or left to right) until he finds a good outlet.

He's also got the ability to identify a favorable match-up presnap & focus on that.

I can't imagine Chip Kelly doesn't expect his QBs to start breaking down defenses before the snap.

Kelly doesn't think the pre snap reads are as important as the post snap reads. Maybe I worded that poorly.

 

[BYDS]

I'm a fan, letting things go about my team isn't an option lol. I'm trying to get excited, I really am. I said as much during the draft that I'm hopeful about this infusion of speed. I'll be here with something to complain about for as long as my team is in Houston though, usually after several whiskeys. This team will be the death of me one way or another.

You know if you get Game Pass you can watch every Broncos game and watch them over and over again as many time as you want. You saying your a Texans fan is just not reality. You remind me of a battered wife who keeps saying that she love her husband knowing deep down that he will beat her again but stays around hoping things will change for the better. Get out of the relationship, the sooner the better, your physical and mental relationship will never get better and all you do is bring others around you down and dive them away. They see no strength in you, just pity for you.

 

[Mollywhopper]

 

[JB]

You know if you get Game Pass you can watch every Broncos game and watch them over and over again as many time as you want. You saying your a Texans fan is just not reality. You remind me of a battered wife who keeps saying that she love her husband knowing deep down that he will beat her again but stays around hoping things will change for the better. Get out of the relationship, the sooner the better, your physical and mental relationship will never get better and all you do is bring others around you down and dive them away. They see no strength in you, just pity for you.

Why isn't he a fan? Who are you to decide if his fandom is valid or not? We don't all agree on everything, and the front office and coaching staff is probably more divisive than anything else, but we all want the Texans to win come game day. How we root for them between Sunday's isn't important. Pleasing you or any other poster isn't important.

 

[thunderkyss]

Why isn't he a fan? Who are you to decide if his fandom is valid or not?

Let the kids play...

 

[Double Barrel]

Kelly doesn't think the pre snap reads are as important as the post snap reads. Maybe I worded that poorly.

I think Kelly's offense is based a lot on reaction to what the defense does after the snap. The NE system, like TK mentioned, has matchups that they try to exploit. They often send men in motion just to see what the coverage is going to be in a particular place on the field.

I think most offenses have a pre-snap read, but some value it more than others, especially those designed to get the ball out of the QB's hands as quickly as possible. The zone-read and even bootleg are predicated to what the defense does after the snap.

 

[Rich Schmidt]

I like Oz above Bortles and Marcus. Bortles is still just meh, lot's of garbage stats like Hoyer. Looks good in uniform though. MM is still not shown me he can fully adapt to the NFL game and with a few injuries the speed part of his game gets taken away. Oz is a leader of men, prepares like a NFL QB, and has teh tools. He could flame too, but a better starting platform in my book. Happy we did not use a draft pick, and just used cash here to put our chips in on him

 

[Texecutioner]

I think Kelly's offense is based a lot on reaction to what the defense does after the snap. The NE system, like TK mentioned, has matchups that they try to exploit. They often send men in motion just to see what the coverage is going to be in a particular place on the field.

I think most offenses have a pre-snap read, but some value it more than others, especially those designed to get the ball out of the QB's hands as quickly as possible. The zone-read and even bootleg are predicated to what the defense does after the snap.

The pre snap has way more value, and I don't see how any coach wouldn't recognize that. Watching the way that NE operates their offense is like poetry in motion. They're always ahead of the defense from a strategy standpoint, and what people fail to realize about Brady and what makes him so great is the bigger responsibility that is put on his shoulders compared to so many other QB's. NE is always passing, and they pass to set up the run most of the time. Last half of the season last year Brady pretty much had to carry that injury filled team on his back all year with a horrible running game. They still tried to run, but that was just to keep defenses honest knowing they couldn't run the ball though. There are so many games I end up watching though where Brady is forced to throw on almost all the downs in the 3rd and 4th quarters. When they beat the Ravens two years ago in the playoffs they ran the ball like 4 times in the 2nd half and like two of three of the runs were from Brady. One of the best QB performances in post season history. The pre snap read and the motion that gives the offense knowledge of where the weakness is gives you a big advantage play by play. Glad we have that.

 

[thunderkyss]

Oz is a leader of men, prepares like a NFL QB, and has teh tools. He could flame too, but a better starting platform in my book. Happy we did not use a draft pick, and just used cash here to put our chips in on him

I like what you're saying about Osweiler. It's easy to see the tools. But these other things, taking the guys out, working on timing & routes before OTAs... on his own dime. It's hard to tell if it's just lip service when he or the coaches are talking about First in, last out, but to also hear it from the players. Defensive guys talking about his leadership... all good stuff.

I don't read much JagUar or Titans news, so I don't know how those guys are going about their business. But... their fans are just as excited about their QBs as we are about Os. Honestly, I'll be happy once this division gets their QB issues behind them, so we can see some good football at NRG.

 

[Double Barrel]

The pre snap has way more value, and I don't see how any coach wouldn't recognize that. Watching the way that NE operates their offense is like poetry in motion. They're always ahead of the defense from a strategy standpoint, and what people fail to realize about Brady and what makes him so great is the bigger responsibility that is put on his shoulders compared to so many other QB's. NE is always passing, and they pass to set up the run most of the time. Last half of the season last year Brady pretty much had to carry that injury filled team on his back all year with a horrible running game. They still tried to run, but that was just to keep defenses honest knowing they couldn't run the ball though. There are so many games I end up watching though where Brady is forced to throw on almost all the downs in the 3rd and 4th quarters. When they beat the Ravens two years ago in the playoffs they ran the ball like 4 times in the 2nd half and like two of three of the runs were from Brady. One of the best QB performances in post season history. The pre snap read and the motion that gives the offense knowledge of where the weakness is gives you a big advantage play by play. Glad we have that.

I think it takes a very intelligent QB that dedicates himself to spending a lot of time studying film (as well as knowing what he's looking at and how to process it). While I'm not saying any given QB is dumb, there is obviously some that are smarter than others, as well as some that are more dedicated than others. The elite ones, though, are often the smartest and most dedicated. Brady and Manning are at the top of that list for the past 15 years.

I really like that Brock values the time that he spent learning from Manning the past four seasons. When I heard him talk in depth about being a student with Manning as a teacher, I knew this guy received an experience that is not available to most young QBs. Here you have a HoF QB at the end of his career and is looking forward to becoming a coach. So instead of looking at Brock as competition for his position, he looked at him as more as a protégé (and it is no wonder why Manning has said he's now a Texans fan with Brock on the team).

And Brock talked about everything he learned form Manning. How to be a leader, how to act day in and day out, how to prepare and practice. But, the most important thing he said he learned was how to study film and what to look for and how to process that information about opposing defenses every week. These are lessons that are invaluable, especially ending up in an offense that is truly suited to his playing style.

 

[Mr teX]

I agree with you completely... regarding Bortles & Bridgewater. It's also important to remember, they're still young. They're still growing. There are things pointing up, things pointing down. They're most definitely not perfect, & most definitely not who they're going to be yet.

Efficiency will be important for sure as they continue their careers. Will Bortles learn from his mistakes? Will his efficiency improve as the team around him improves? Is Bridgewater learning those same lessons? Will his efficiency remain high once his run game & defense fall apart around him?

What you saw from him last year is about as good as you're going to get...a guy who can light it up at times but will never be able to fully shake his TO issues to where teams he's leading won't win much from year to year. he's this generation's Jay Cutler.

 

[Scooter]

Blah

Awww a new guy using 'you're not a real fan', how cute.

 

[Texansballer74]

Brock will be much better than both Mariota and Bortles.

 

[Texecutioner]

Why isn't he a fan? Who are you to decide if his fandom is valid or not? We don't all agree on everything, and the front office and coaching staff is probably more divisive than anything else, but we all want the Texans to win come game day. How we root for them between Sunday's isn't important. Pleasing you or any other poster isn't important.

When you want the team to crash and burn and you speak negatively about everything surrounding the team is pretty self explanatory.