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Normal Behavior from an Executive VP?

thunderkyss

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I'm not surprised. In fact, I would be surprise if Easterby returns to his role as only character coach. Once a person seeks and obtains power, they rarely give it up freely.
Cal said he’s going back to his role of VP of football operations.
 

Mr teX

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Eh it’s all b/c we’ve got a disgruntled high profile qb...for now. I don’t believe the media or even us as fans would give a damn about what a guy like Jack Easterby does if DW4 wasn’t upset. As it is, we didn’t give a crap about him prior to BoB being fired. With all the other things going on in the league with players and teams that are relevant...SI chose to write about an executive on a non relevant team...a guy they wouldn’t have even known or cared existed prior .........save for a few endorsements from Brady and Belichick.........which were in his favor. SOMEONE from the inside of the Texans org with an axe to grind put them on to do that...someone who felt threatened by that dude....and that’s weak sauce.

that’s why I just can’t get with all of this. If that dude is HALF as bad as the SI article and media paints him, then the FO of the Texans was a veritable cesspool before he arrived....and from Cal’s perspective he might feel like all this drama is worth it to clean house of it all. There’s always 2 sides to every story and we’ve continuously been fed only 1 side.

To me, this is all about the Nuk trade...not “stemming” from it, b/c of it. The players blame him for it b/c he’s the guy enforcing a mandate that Cal wants.
 

banned1976

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Cal said he’s going back to his role of VP of football operations.
Yes, a job he is not qualified to do regardless of which of Easterby's resumes we're looking at - the honest one or the fictional version.

It really doesn't matter anymore. Only the fans with the deepest emotional investment to the team really cares at this point. It's only a curiosity of mine to see just how poorly the ownership can run this organization. To find out where they land on the list of most poorly run sports franchises ever. They're really going for it, I've got to give them that.
 

Mr teX

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Yes, a job he is not qualified to do regardless of which of Easterby's resumes we're looking at - the honest one or the fictional version.

It really doesn't matter anymore. Only the fans with the deepest emotional investment to the team really cares at this point. It's only a curiosity of mine to see just how poorly the ownership can run this organization. To find out where they land on the list of most poorly run sports franchises ever. They're really going for it, I've got to give them that.
“poorly run” is a subjective term and is only attached to franchises when things like this happen to franchises who aren’t winning. When you’re winning, it’s only “a distraction”.

The pats have gone thru 3 full on scandals that touch on the trifecta: murder, sex and cheating ....over a 20 year span and at no point did anyone consider them to be “poorly run”. The Saints with bounty gate..same thing.

And define for me what qualifications you think you’d need to be a VP of football operations?Cause I sure as hell don’t know what those are.
 

Earl34

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“poorly run” is a subjective term and is only attached to franchises when things like this happen to franchises who aren’t winning. When you’re winning, it’s only “a distraction”.

The pats have gone thru 3 full on scandals that touch on the trifecta: murder, sex and cheating ....over a 20 year span and at no point did anyone consider them to be “poorly run”. The Saints with bounty gate..same thing.

And define for me what qualifications you think you’d need to be a VP of football operations?Cause I sure as hell don’t know what those are.
You have asked this question about qualifications and the role of the VP of football operations multiple times and I don't think you've receive a response, so I'll take a stab at it and we can agree to disagree.

IMHO, the role is defined by the owner and the front office structure. Most teams don't have a VP of football operations because salary cap management, player acquisition, budgeting, administration and all the non-business operation falls under the GM. Then you have directors below the GM handling some of those roles. For example, Rick Smith was GM/EVP of Football Ops, but still had Chris Olsen as VP of Football Administration handling the salary cap.

When you look at other teams, there only a few EVPs and the ones who have that title have spent significant time with the organization. It appears that when Cal, O'Brien and Easterby decided to make this "flat" organization, he basically left Rootes on the business side and gave O'Brien the football side. It appears to me that O'Brien was only interested in roster, player acquisition and didn't care about the salary cap, contract negotiations, or any of the administration that comes along with being GM. So, Easterby became not only head of football administration, but also operations and the GM responsibilities.

Right now, with Olsen gone, the Texans don't have a VP of Football Administration, but they have a Director of Football Ops. Easterby having an EVP title instead of VP indicates that when it comes to football operations, he is either at the same level as the GM or above. Easterby is one of the most inexperienced high level executives in the NFL. With that lack of experience, you have to be surrounded by good directors, other VPs and allow them to do their jobs. With moves like firing Olsen, it appears they were more interested in consolidating power than retaining experienced people.

It has been mentioned that Mike Maycock, John Lynch and John Elway became GMs without any experience. What is not mentioned is the 49ers already had an experienced EVP of Football Operations. With Elway, he had an experienced, sucessful owner with over 20 years of experience to guide him. With Maycock, he hired a Senior Advisor to the GM with over four decades of experience. Easterby and O'Brien did not have that luxury or foresight and the results speaks for themselves.

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thunderkyss

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so I'll take a stab at it and we can agree to disagree.
Good post, but I still didn't see a list of qualifications. You've listed a number of people holding similar positions with a similar lack of qualifications & mechanisms that mitigated that lack of experience.

Still looks like a position NFL teams make up for their buddies or whatever. The Texans mistake was actually giving power to that position.

Still, I'd like to see what happens going forward. Looks to me Cal was in "wait for Caserio" mode & things got out of hand.
 

Mr teX

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You have asked this question about qualifications and the role of the VP of football operations multiple times and I don't think you've receive a response, so I'll take a stab at it and we can agree to disagree.

IMHO, the role is defined by the owner and the front office structure. Most teams don't have a VP of football operations because salary cap management, player acquisition, budgeting, administration and all the non-business operation falls under the GM. Then you have directors below the GM handling some of those roles. For example, Rick Smith was GM/EVP of Football Ops, but still had Chris Olsen as VP of Football Administration handling the salary cap.

When you look at other teams, there only a few EVPs and the ones who have that title have spent significant time with the organization. It appears that when Cal, O'Brien and Easterby decided to make this "flat" organization, he basically left Rootes on the business side and gave O'Brien the football side. It appears to me that O'Brien was only interested in roster, player acquisition and didn't care about the salary cap, contract negotiations, or any of the administration that comes along with being GM. So, Easterby became not only head of football administration, but also operations and the GM responsibilities.

Right now, with Olsen gone, the Texans don't have a VP of Football Administration, but they have a Director of Football Ops. Easterby having an EVP title instead of VP indicates that when it comes to football operations, he is either at the same level as the GM or above. Easterby is one of the most inexperienced high level executives in the NFL. With that lack of experience, you have to be surrounded by good directors, other VPs and allow them to do their jobs. With moves like firing Olsen, it appears they were more interested in consolidating power than retaining experienced people.

It has been mentioned that Mike Maycock, John Lynch and John Elway became GMs without any experience. What is not mentioned is the 49ers already had an experienced EVP of Football Operations. With Elway, he had an experienced, sucessful owner with over 20 years of experience to guide him. With Maycock, he hired a Senior Advisor to the GM with over four decades of experience. Easterby and O'Brien did not have that luxury or foresight and the results speaks for themselves.

List of current National Football League staffs - Wikipedia
I appreciate you taking a stab at it even if a lot of what you’re saying is speculation and it doesn’t quite answer the question. So I’ll go along with you on some of the speculation. Here are some facts. He’s worked all over football in various capacities for numerous teams. that all he’s done wherever he’s gone is be a character coach isn’t an accurate portrayal of his experience. That’s MOSTLY what he’s known for..even his work outside of the NFL. but his 1st gig with the jags as an intern was in........football ops & helping with the salary cap. He then latched on with the pats INTITIALLY as a character coach but as SEVERAL ARTICLES and even players, coaches and other personnel have confirmed, he did all types of jobs for/them in his 6 years there......and apparently he was good enough at his jobs to have risen to the director level there.

The culture in Foxboro was that everyone worked together for the common goal..which was to win. So its not at all a stretch to believe that in that 6 years, he did some work on the football ops side to help Belichick/Caserio. We know The Pats are notorious for having guys do jobs that they don’t necessarily have the official title for...Belichick gets all the credit for basically everything.

Fact is, people talking about him being “unqualified” don’t even know what the qualifications should be nor do they know what his are.
 

paycheck71

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I appreciate you taking a stab at it even if a lot of what you’re saying is speculation and it doesn’t quite answer the question. So I’ll go along with you on some of the speculation. Here are some facts. He’s worked all over football in various capacities for numerous teams. that all he’s done wherever he’s gone is be a character coach isn’t an accurate portrayal of his experience. That’s MOSTLY what he’s known for..even his work outside of the NFL. but his 1st gig with the jags as an intern was in........football ops & helping with the salary cap. He then latched on with the pats INTITIALLY as a character coach but as SEVERAL ARTICLES and even players, coaches and other personnel have confirmed, he did all types of jobs for/them in his 6 years there......and apparently he was good enough at his jobs to have risen to the director level there.

The culture in Foxboro was that everyone worked together for the common goal..which was to win. So its not at all a stretch to believe that in that 6 years, he did some work on the football ops side to help Belichick/Caserio. We know The Pats are notorious for having guys do jobs that they don’t necessarily have the official title for...Belichick gets all the credit for basically everything.

Fact is, people talking about him being “unqualified” don’t even know what the qualifications should be nor do they know what his are.
He's clearly unqualified for any position with the word "football" in it.
 

Mr teX

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He's clearly unqualified for any position with the word "football" in it.
“Football” and “Team” are virtually synonymous & For 6 years the Pats didn’t think he was unqualified....they in fact gave the dude a promotion.
 

paycheck71

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“Football” and “Team” are virtually synonymous & For 6 years the Pats didn’t think he was unqualified....they in fact gave the dude a promotion.
No, "team development" and "football operations" are two very different things to me. I manage a couple of software development "teams", but these teams have nothing to do with football. He might have been effective as a counselor, team chaplain, whatever you want to call it, but I'm positive he didn't force any players to be forced out and traded for peanuts. And if he did, the Pats had Tom Brady, and were winning superbowls.
 

Mr teX

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No, "team development" and "football operations" are two very different things to me. I manage a couple of software development "teams", but these teams have nothing to do with football. He might have been effective as a counselor, team chaplain, whatever you want to call it, but I'm positive he didn't force any players to be forced out and traded for peanuts. And if he did, the Pats had Tom Brady, and were winning superbowls.
And as manager of those teams, what exactly is your role?

& technically he didn’t force and players out or to be traded here either. which is another reason all this hoopla surrounding this guy is even more bizarre to me.

The way y’all talk about this dude it’s like the other parties responsible for the actual trades and firings weren’t even there.
 
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paycheck71

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he didn’t do it here either.
I'm inclined to believe the reports that say he did. Plus, he's been involved in contract negotiations, cap manipulations, etc. IMO, he's not qualified for any of those things.
 
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Mr teX

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I'm inclined to believer the reports that say he did. Plus, he's been involved in contract negotiations, cap manipulations, etc. IMO, he's not qualified for any of those things.
youre inclined to believe it b/c it’s all you’ve been told. And “involved” can mean any number of things from just being in the room but saying nothing or having no say, to being the guy actually making the decision. I’m in meetings every single week with Chiefs, VP’s and Directors of our Transplant program presenting data that I’ve mined on their patients. But It doesn’t at all mean that I have any say whatsoever in the decisions they make regarding their specific transplant programs.
 

paycheck71

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youre inclined to believe it b/c it’s all you’ve been told. And “involved” can mean any number of things from just being in the room but saying nothing or having no say, to being the guy actually making the decision. I’m in meetings every single week with Chiefs, VP’s and Directors of our Transplant program presenting data that I’ve mined on their patients. But It doesn’t at all mean that I have any say whatsoever in the decisions they make regarding their specific transplant programs.
I assume then that you don't have a title of EVP. EVP's don't sit quietly in the room, without input. Organizations the size of an NFL team may have one of two of those. Again, I'm inclined to believe those reports not just because that's what "I've been told", but also because I've heard both Cal and Jack speak. I've known people with those personalities in my life.

P.S. and if you are an EVP, then my mistake. In that case I still stand by what I think of Easterby, but not sure I have a whole lot to add to this particular argument.
 
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Mr teX

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I assume then that you don't have a title of EVP. EVP's don't sit quietly in the room, without input. Organizations the size of an NFL team may have one of two of those. Again, I'm inclined to believe those reports not just because that's what "I've been told", but also because I've heard both Cal and Jack speak. I've known people with those personalities in my life.
Then youve clearly never been in those type meetings then. Unless it’s their meetings that they’ve called, not all VP’s are created equal my brother. and it appears you’re hung up on title. I don’t believe for a second Easterby is in there calling shots & bullying guys like BoB, Rootes and other long time FO personnel on roster moves like that. Like he told BoB to trade Nuk and BoB reluctantly obliged .....just b/c he was outranked. The only evidence that he was even involved is what BoB said at the press conference. Other than that, all the SI article could come up with is someone overheard something from Easterby and that person wasn’t even sure that he was talking about Nuk!


But let you guys and the media tell it, Easterby is some evil mastermind on the level of Darth Sidious with some grand scheme.....and again we have NO idea the extent of his involvement with any of the things that have been going on on Kirby the last few years. The only thing people say is “every since he got here all this has been happening...” like his arrival signaled all the dysfunction when that’s clearly false.

Fact is every since BOB’s arrival there has been drama. People forget that almost immediately upon his arrival, there were rumors that he and Rick Smith were at odds on roster, draft and personnel moves. Then there was the Mallet thing.....then there was the Oz altercation....this shits been going on since 2014...well before Easterby arrived..well before Cal took over.

when you look at it all, you can clearly see why Cal is desperate to change the culture. It’s been bad over there for a while.
 
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paycheck71

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Texans related stuff in the quotes below, but the first quote is the main takeaway for me

Close observers think there will be no real forward progress with Watson as long as Easterby is in the picture. Obviously, the question is whether Watson has the guts.
2. DESHAUN WATSON. Very nice man. Excellent football player. Franchise quarterback, to be sure. Non-confrontational. Add this nugget: Watson, just 21 weeks ago, signed a contract making him the second-richest player in football history. It didn’t take two years for him to turn on his team. It took 21 weeks. It’s gotten to the point where, I’m told, even some respected veterans on the teams have, in effect, told Watson, Go ahead. Go. We love you. We don’t want you to get trapped here. You don’t owe us anything.

I’ve heard a few other things about Watson. The veterans on the team supported him going to owner Cal McNair a month ago and telling him the situation in the locker room was dire, and there was no faith in the management or direction of the team. When the team didn’t interview a Watson favorite, Robert Saleh, that turned off the locker room. When the team chose to keep EVP Jack Easterby (a major bone of contention with players, who do not trust him), that further soured the players, including Watson.

Texans quarterback Deshaun Watson. (Getty Images)
Obviously, the question is whether Watson has the guts to withstand the gigantic pressure that comes with turning his back on the team in the fifth-largest market in the country, and turning his back on the team that he emotionally thanked for the huge contract last September, and turning his back on the team that paid him $29.4 million in 2020. It’s easy to say today he’ll stay strong—and he very well may. But if the Texans don’t trade him, a mountain of crap will come down on all their houses over the next eight months.

Close observers think there will be no real forward progress with Watson as long as Easterby is in the picture. Obviously, the question is whether Watson has the guts.

3. THE $2.4-MILLION QUESTION. If the Texans play hardball and refuse to trade Watson, the cost will be different from the costs in past years. Now, per the new 2020 CBA, fines cannot be forgiven. Watson, as a player under an existing contract, would be fined for missing the mandatory offseason minicamp, fined for every practice he skips in the preseason (approximately 28), and fined for every game he misses in the preseason (likely to be three, if the NFL goes to a 17-game schedule in 2021). The total fine, by my calculation, would be about $2,355,877. That’s money out of his pocket. You might say, Who would give up that kind of money?! Understandable. But let me tell you a story.

In 2017, I did a Christmas story for NBC’s “Football Night in America” about Watson’s immense gratitude for his family receiving a Habitat for Humanity house from Warrick Dunn when Watson was a child in Gainesville, Ga. Watson was emotional about it, because it was so important to his needy family at the time. I don’t know how this is going to go—truly. But until very recently, Watson had not made big-athlete money. Money doesn’t rule him. I don’t think it’s that important to Watson that his bank account might go down 10 or 20 percent, for a while. Part of that is principle, but the other part is that he knows if he stands firm, at some point he’ll be able to play for another team and make untold millions.

4. TRADE COMPS. In NFL history, I have found two. In 1967, Minnesota traded two-time Pro Bowl quarterback Fran Tarkenton, 27, to the Giants for two first-round picks and two second-rounders. Weird career for Tarkenton: six years for the Vikings, five years for the Giants, seven years for the Vikings (after a 1972 trade back to Minnesota). But Tarkenton was an electric player, like Watson, and finished his career as the leading passer in yardage and touchdowns in the first 60 years of NFL history.

In 1987, the Bucs traded Steve Young for the incredible (in how we’d think about it today) sum of a second-round and a fourth-round pick. How’d that happen? Young had started chunks of two seasons for the woebegone Bucs, completing 53 percent of his passes, with 11 touchdowns and 21 interceptions. That is really bad, of course. But remember he was just a guy in his two Tampa seasons. Oddity there: Young was 25 years, six months old when traded; if Watson is traded near the start of the 2021 league year next month, he would be 25 years, six months old.

Finally: I wouldn’t think the Goff-Stafford trade will be a factor in a prospective Watson deal. It’s a weird outlier because of the contracts involved.

5. NICK CASERIO. Wisely, he is strongly opposed to trading Watson. For 20 of his 45 years on this planet, Caserio worked for the Patriots with Bill Belichick as his boss. So you’d think that has given him a veneer of toughness—which his friends in football say is true. After watching Belichick make the hard calls for two decades, I’m certain Caserio has seen the toughness. But the difference is now he actually has to make the calls, not watch them being made. And the first call, on Watson, could be the biggest one he ever makes. That’s hardly hyperbole. Somewhere in the first three grafs of his obituary will be this: Caserio is the man who traded Deshaun Watson if he does, and if Watson continues his transcendent path. As a GM you’re judged by the players you draft and sign and that your team develops, and also by those you trade or trade for. Think of the big calls by GMs in recent years. Will John Schneider ever make a bigger call than drafting Russell Wilson 75th in 2012? I doubt it. Will Ryan Pace be in the chair long enough to overcome Mitchell Trubisky over Watson and Patrick Mahomes in 2017? I doubt that too.

It almost seems unfair that the biggest decision/stand Caserio will make as a GM, ever, could come in the first year of his GM career. Will he play hardball with Watson, or will he trade him for almost assuredly less than his value? There is no corresponding value for a 25-year-old franchise quarterback who made a bad team competitive almost every week in 2020 and led the NFL in passing yards after the team traded DeAndre Hopkins for peanuts before the season. If he trades Watson, the next Houston QB—Sam Darnold? Justin Fields? Zach Wilson?—will always wear the mantel of the man who replaced Watson. That’s a heavy burden. Caserio has to wonder if this was the GM job really worth taking.
 

paycheck71

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I’d like to see the report that says he handled the trade that got us David Johnson. Everything I’ve read said that was Bill O’Brien
I never said OB was qualified for all the jobs he was doing either. But I do remember reading that Easterby had significant input on getting Nuk out the door. Not necessarily the specifics of the trade, that was more likely OB's work, but the actual decision that Nuk had to be traded.
 

Mr teX

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Andre's word carries no weight?
it does b/c it comes from the players. But how much weight does Caserio’s word carry? He’s already said he’ll be the guy making football decisions regarding the roster and personnel and that seems to be holding true with the HC hire and subsequent staff.
 

Mr teX

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Texans related stuff in the quotes below, but the first quote is the main takeaway for me
It’ll be a lot more than 2.3 million if DW4 decides to sit out into the regular season...yet again a Florio piece written with a particular slant towards the player. The quote should be “does DW4 have the guts to lose 40 million if Caserio doesn’t move him?”
 

paycheck71

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It’ll be a lot more than 2.3 million if DW4 decides to sit out into the regular season...yet again a Florio piece written with a particular slant towards the player. The quote should be “does DW4 have the guts to lose 40 million if Caserio doesn’t move him?”
Not Florio, Peter King. And I agree with you, the Texans have more leverage over DW4 than the other way around.
 

H_Town_Gaucho

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Easterby reminds me of Rasputin, he entered the Texan's dynasty and bedazzled everyone. Hopefully it will turn out better than it did for Nicholas II and his family.
 

thunderkyss

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But I do remember reading that Easterby had significant input on getting Nuk out the door.
That’s what I’m saying. I’d love to see that in print.


It’s funny. We’ve complained for the 1st sixteen years of this club’s existence that nobody knows what’s going on, or who is doing what. But the last two years they’ve been an open book.

I don’t know what’s what, or who did what. But I guarantee you won’t find that report saying Easterby got Hopkins traded if you were to go looking for it.

You’ll find some speculation, some guesses, but nothing stating any facts.

You’ll get innuendo like Andre saying nothing good has happened since Easterby got there. But that’s also pretty close to Bob passing away (rip).

The current issue, Watson wants to be traded... he says it doesn’t matter who we hire as coach. Doesn’t matter if Easterby is fired. Unless Cal can fire himself he doesn’t want to be here.

But whatever. Easterby.
 

whiteboy

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If he had texted the wrong players mom, he would not have been able to make it to work.

What an idiotic thing to do.

Easterby is there because of religious reasons, no other.

Religion has no place in a violent sport ... that, in some circles, is referred to as hypocrisy ...
 

Mr. White

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Then youve clearly never been in those type meetings then. Unless it’s their meetings that they’ve called, not all VP’s are created equal my brother. and it appears you’re hung up on title. I don’t believe for a second Easterby is in there calling shots & bullying guys like BoB, Rootes and other long time FO personnel on roster moves like that. Like he told BoB to trade Nuk and BoB reluctantly obliged .....just b/c he was outranked. The only evidence that he was even involved is what BoB said at the press conference. Other than that, all the SI article could come up with is someone overheard something from Easterby and that person wasn’t even sure that he was talking about Nuk!


But let you guys and the media tell it, Easterby is some evil mastermind on the level of Darth Sidious with some grand scheme.....and again we have NO idea the extent of his involvement with any of the things that have been going on on Kirby the last few years. The only thing people say is “every since he got here all this has been happening...” like his arrival signaled all the dysfunction when that’s clearly false.

Fact is every since BOB’s arrival there has been drama. People forget that almost immediately upon his arrival, there were rumors that he and Rick Smith were at odds on roster, draft and personnel moves. Then there was the Mallet thing.....then there was the Oz altercation....this shits been going on since 2014...well before Easterby arrived..well before Cal took over.

when you look at it all, you can clearly see why Cal is desperate to change the culture. It’s been bad over there for a while.
Assterby obviously needs a PR person over on Kirby. I nominate you.

It's almost like you're related to the guy.
 

Earl34

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Good post, but I still didn't see a list of qualifications. You've listed a number of people holding similar positions with a similar lack of qualifications & mechanisms that mitigated that lack of experience.

Still looks like a position NFL teams make up for their buddies or whatever. The Texans mistake was actually giving power to that position.

Still, I'd like to see what happens going forward. Looks to me Cal was in "wait for Caserio" mode & things got out of hand.
I think it's a little more than a golden parachute. However, since the role is define by the team, it's hard to define the qualifications. For example, Rick Smith could have been promoted to EVP-Football Ops and then Brian Gaine could have been the GM. So, if I had to say qualifications, it would be someone who was a GM or had extensive front office experience with the various non-business related departments (nutrition, S&C, travel, administration, budgets, contracts, travel).

Here is a resume of someone who was a Director of Football Operations. Look at the previous experience.

Director Of Football Operations Resume Example NFL Tampa Bay Buccaneers - Tampa, Florida (livecareer.com)
 

steelbtexan

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The Texans have yet to demonstrate a consistent ability to locate "the box" much less any awareness of what's in or outside of it. They're like some kind of weird NFL take on "Schrodinger's Cat" always searching forever for a winning formula that may or may not exist but never actually reaching a point where whatever strange combination of moves they are making can be objectively judged. The right track may or may not exist and they may or may not be on it. No one knows until they "get a franchise QB" or "an experienced HC" or "a real LT" or a "an OL coach" or "a real GM" and so on. At no point does the experiment ever reach a state anyone could call "finished". It's always in flux.

When Bob McNair learns how to run a franchise..... When Gary Kubiak gets more experience as a HC..... When Bill O'Brien gets more experience as a HC.... When Bill O'Brien finds a good OC..... a QB.... a brain.... When Cal McNair learns how to run a franchise... It never ends.

I just came back around to see what the reaction was like to all this because I really thought Watson was the one thing that could be counted on but then the last 24-48 hours have been so weird and so "Texans like" that curiosity got the better of me. Easterby comes across like a creepy "bad touch" Youth Pastor to me. I wouldn't want him anywhere near anything I was trying to make work. To me it looks like the Life Guards got that mean fat kid who was making everyone miserable out of the pool finally but Easterby is the "Baby Ruth" he left behind.
Awesome Baby Ruth reference.
 

SnakeEyes

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OB was in the typical position you make all those moves. He was the one in front of the mics answering questions about the dumb **** he did. And he also attached Easterby’s name to everything he did while they were together.

OB wanting Nuk out a year prior is one thing, if true. Easterby coming in and it getting done is another. Especially for the return they got back. Of course none of us knew what an Easterby was at the time, so naturally that all gets thrown on OB, the one in front of the mic answering questions, and the one in that typical position to make a move like that.

With OB not there to take on all of that anymore, and with all the stupid still going on, you’ve got to wonder where it’s still coming from. You can look to Cal, of course, because he’s the owner and something like Nuk getting traded doesn’t get done without him signing off on it no matter who wanted it done. But then there’s that Easterby dude still in the shadows (I’ve never heard him speak) quietly moving up in the organization. Right, that’s the name OB kept attaching to everything he did.

So yeah, OB had his issues well before the Pastor got here, and who knows, maybe both used each other to get more power, OB to GM, Jack to VP of whatever, before one of them got stabbed in the back by the other.

So ****, maybe OB is SI’s source, who knows? But if you look at the timeline of it all, things really didn’t start turning into a bona fide shitshow until Easterby came on board. He’s just always been behind the curtain. Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain.
It's spelled Darth Sidious. But pronounced Easter-by
 

thunderkyss

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No such thing as bad publicly.

I had weened myself off sports radio back during the 2020 season. Actually, it was cold turkey. My interest in the Texans was pretty low. I didn’t renew my season tickets. I didn’t think about them that summer. I don’t think I watched a complete game that season.

I came back at the start of 2018 season. Root for them, buy gear, dvr games. Watch a couple of them more than once. But I stayed away from sports radio & other media outside the game itself.

Until 4 tweeted, “Somethings never change.” & I’m listening to 610 24/7 or damn near.

& look at the old faces that are showing back up.

& I think there’s a Super Bowl being played soon... but we’re all talking about Texans
 

SnakeEyes

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No such thing as bad publicly.

I had weened myself off sports radio back during the 2020 season. Actually, it was cold turkey. My interest in the Texans was pretty low. I didn’t renew my season tickets. I didn’t think about them that summer. I don’t think I watched a complete game that season.

I came back at the start of 2018 season. Root for them, buy gear, dvr games. Watch a couple of them more than once. But I stayed away from sports radio & other media outside the game itself.

Until 4 tweeted, “Somethings never change.” & I’m listening to 610 24/7 or damn near.

& look at the old faces that are showing back up.

& I think there’s a Super Bowl being played soon... but we’re all talking about Texans
🤣🤣
No kidding I saw a report on the Texans and after it was over (5min) they had a 20sec Super Bowl ad.
 

otisbean

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That’s what I’m saying. I’d love to see that in print.


It’s funny. We’ve complained for the 1st sixteen years of this club’s existence that nobody knows what’s going on, or who is doing what. But the last two years they’ve been an open book.

I don’t know what’s what, or who did what. But I guarantee you won’t find that report saying Easterby got Hopkins traded if you were to go looking for it.

You’ll find some speculation, some guesses, but nothing stating any facts.
I don't think anyone wants their name attached to what's quite possibly one of the worst trades in sports history, not football history, sports history. The buck will be passed on that forever.

The thing that bothers me most about the JE situation is the ONLY thing we've heard directly from Watson was his quote after the Tennessee game about how they need a whole culture shift (to me that's quite an indictment on the culture coach) and that people were walking around the building thinking they had all this power. Who else could he be referring to? There was no gm, no HC, he couldn't be talking about Cal. On top of that AJ, who was formerly on the coaching staff, publicly ripped the guy. Thats so far outside the norm for him you have to take notice. Also, Jamie Roots is about to walk away after 20 years. As a franchise, we've looked completely clueless since his arrival, terrible trades, terrible contracts, firing people left and right, running off a 25 yr old franchise QB. JE is the constant.

Even if some of these decisions were Cal McNair's, JE is still doing a terrible job. The VP of FB ops/interim GM should talk him out these clown show decisions if Cal wanted these things done. You can't trade you best player for crap. You can't piss your best player off to the point where he wants to leave 21 wks after signing his extension. You can't overpay mediocre players because they're nice guys and good Christians.

There's tons of blame for the current state of the Texans. From BOB, to the McNairs, to Watson, but Im putting JE on the top of this pyramid of crap. If even half of what has been written about him is true he deserves to be fired
 

steelbtexan

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I don't think anyone wants their name attached to what's quite possibly one of the worst trades in sports history, not football history, sports history. The buck will be passed on that forever.

The thing that bothers me most about the JE situation is the ONLY thing we've heard directly from Watson was his quote after the Tennessee game about how they need a whole culture shift (to me that's quite an indictment on the culture coach) and that people were walking around the building thinking they had all this power. Who else could he be referring to? There was no gm, no HC, he couldn't be talking about Cal. On top of that AJ, who was formerly on the coaching staff, publicly ripped the guy. Thats so far outside the norm for him you have to take notice. Also, Jamie Roots is about to walk away after 20 years. As a franchise, we've looked completely clueless since his arrival, terrible trades, terrible contracts, firing people left and right, running off a 25 yr old franchise QB. JE is the constant.

Even if some of these decisions were Cal McNair's, JE is still doing a terrible job. The VP of FB ops/interim GM should talk him out these clown show decisions if Cal wanted these things done. You can't trade you best player for crap. You can't piss your best player off to the point where he wants to leave 21 wks after signing his extension. You can't overpay mediocre players because they're nice guys and good Christians.

There's tons of blame for the current state of the Texans. From BOB, to the McNairs, to Watson, but Im putting JE on the top of this pyramid of crap. If even half of what has been written about him is true he deserves to be fired
Just remember JE is carrying out Cal's wishes.

Th rebuild which was badly needed will soon be underway.
 
Just remember JE is carrying out Cal's wishes.

Th rebuild which was badly needed will soon be underway.
JE may be carrying out Cal's wishes but he sure as heck is influential in those wishes. You should be the biggest advocate for JE and whatever influence he yields to be shown the door. Remember talent first...
 

steelbtexan

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JE may be carrying out Cal's wishes but he sure as heck is influential in those wishes. You should be the biggest advocate for JE and whatever influence he yields to be shown the door. Remember talent first...
Disagree

The Texans org hasn't really changed the way they do business since their inception.

Starting with the Car pick and going forward.
 

otisbean

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Just remember JE is carrying out Cal's wishes.

Th rebuild which was badly needed will soon be underway.
im not sure I believe that’s the case. Cal strikes me (based solely off listening to him speak in news conferences) as not the brightest bulb and easy to manipulate. I think Cal has ZERO idea of what he’s doing and he’s being led astray

Even if what you’re saying is true, JE is still terrible at his job. His job should have been to prevent this s$$t show from occurring. The football people’s job should be preventing this stuff from happening. Not catering to an inexperienced owners terrible ideas. This goes beyond the QB situation. They’ve wasted valuable cap space over paying mediocre to poor players that are “culture” fits, they over payed in trades and got ridiculous returns in others. They’ve fired competent front office employees.
 

thunderkyss

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Th rebuild which was badly needed will soon be underway.
You’re going to be soooo mad. Even without Watson I don’t think Cal & Caserio plan on rebuilding the way you think we’ll rebuild.

I believe like you do. So don’t think I’m picking on you. I just think Cal & Caserio see things fundamentally different than we do
 

thunderkyss

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They’ve wasted valuable cap space over paying mediocre to poor players that are “culture” fits, they over payed in trades and got ridiculous returns in others.
Martin signed his goofy contract when our Cap guy (name escapes me) was here. Clowney had a foot out the door when Easterby got here.

I don’t give 2 shakes about Jack Easterby. I care about the Texans. Fixing Easterby is like putting a bandaid on cancer.
 


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