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Nick Caserio - New GM

TexansBull

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Why would any of these guys be the best man for the job tho..none of these newer guys that got gigs this offseason reveal that they were so much more qualified to be the next HC over Culley if you just step back and objectively look at what they’d done prior to getting their gigs.

Saleh hadn’t really done anything except 1 year where he had a stout defense that went to the SB. Like literally that’s it. What’s lost In that tho is that his defense was absolutely LOADED that year. His whole front 4 were all #1 picks at 1 point or another. The 2 years prior to that when he was the defensive coordinator their defense wasn’t good under him.

Bienemy...yes he’s been the official playcaller for KC the last few years, but everyone KNOWS that the machinery behind him is Reid. So how good would he really be as a HC without Reid? No one knows but if they had to handicap it based on his most recent protege, it ain’t good...& apparently the rest of the league doesn’t think so either since this is 3 years running now where he hasn’t gotten a gig.

Culley hadn’t held a coordinator position..but neither had Reid or Harbaugh before they took over as HC...they’ve seemed to do pretty well.

so I’m not really a buyer in what’s on a guy’s resume being the main thing to determine if they’re the right person for the job.
I think they hired Culley because he is the type of guy to keep everyone positive when things are the bleakest.

And things have been pretty bleak lately.

You could fire they guy in two - three years and he would smile and say thanks. Which they will do becuase he seems to be the perfect guy to take the fall if things don’t work out.

Culley seems to be the opposite of Belicheck which is most interesting to me.
 

Number19

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...Honestly, I still have not figured out why David Culley...I do not sense that he has any sort of vision for this team
...Culley seems to be the opposite of Belicheck which is most interesting to me.
Culley is a disciple of Andy Reid. He spent 17 years coaching under Reid from 1999 to 2016.

If you listen to Culley's February news conference, he didn't reveal much on what to expect offensively; but what he did say mirrows Reid's coaching style in K.C. So I believe we can expect the offense to to be more of a "hybrid college-professional" system.

So yes, different from the Erhardt-Perkins system run by the Patriots.
 

thunderkyss

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There is something about Wolf that we don’t know about on why he keeps getting passed up for GM spots. Someone with his experience should be a shoe in but he is always the bridesmaid and never the bride. He watched Dorsey rebuild the Browns. He did a year in Seattle. Worked in Green Bay.

Maybe he isn’t up to it. Can’t work the hours. Doesn’t show the passion. Medical issues. One can only speculate.
Or maybe he wants more power/control than what is being offered & not too many teams are ready to go that route just yet. Seems like more teams are following the boardroom model.
 

thunderkyss

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Which they will do becuase he seems to be the perfect guy to take the fall if things don’t work out.
But you know things won’t work out. I’m optimistically looking forward to an 8-8 season, but we all know the deck is stacked against the Texans & 4 wins may be pie in the sky right now.

I’m just saying... do you really need a scapegoat when expectations are so low?
 

Mr teX

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So.... how do you decide?
has to be a combo of both his resume and the sit down. The sit down is important b/c you gotta gauge the person’s attitude, flexibility and adaptability & how comfortable a guy appears to be with what YOU Want and need....not what he can bring. I think that’s a mistake lots of hiring managers make. They look at guy’s resume, see he has done certain things and think he should be a good candidate and hire those guys largely off that. What often times gets lost tho is that what’s on their resume is either embellished performed under heavy supervision and/or under certain circumstances with certain tools or support. The sit down is important for figuring all that out.

Bienemy for example has the title, and probably is the guy who technically calls the plays into Mahomes, but my questions for him would be aimed at finding out just how much influence Reid has on calls and developing the gameplan. After all, Reid does have a headset and Denny’s menu too. He also reportedly asked for full control over personnel when he was interviewed. Does this mean that he maybe isn’t gonna be as effective at his job if he doesn’t have this?
 

TexansBull

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Or maybe he wants more power/control than what is being offered & not too many teams are ready to go that route just yet. Seems like more teams are following the boardroom model.
Or maybe he doesn’t have a strong enough analytics background for some:

“Wolf's father, Ron—who was inducted into the Pro Football Hall of Fame for his work as the general manager of the Green Bay Packers—did not hold back in comments about his son's ouster and the Browns' "out of control" love of analytics.

"When something goes wrong, who takes responsibility?" he asked ESPN's Chris Mortensen. "Their answer: 'Well, that's what the data told us.' What a crock. That's what got 'em 1-31."

 

TexansBull

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But you know things won’t work out. I’m optimistically looking forward to an 8-8 season, but we all know the deck is stacked against the Texans & 4 wins may be pie in the sky right now.

I’m just saying... do you really need a scapegoat when expectations are so low?
One can hope but I do think 4 wins is a safer bet than 8-8.

I hope to see Tyrod do well and think he can fill the QB gap for two-three years.

But this is a total rebuild. NC just nuked the place and brought in the optimistic guy he could find to keep spirits up. Maybe I am underestimating him and he will do well and exceed everyone’s expectations. I hope he is the next Reid/Harbaugh/Cowher.

If the guy can pull off 8-8 the next year or two I will say he over achieved. Especially with next years schedule.

If not I am pretty sure Cal already knows there is a plan B.

I hope they have a plan.
 

powda

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One can hope but I do think 4 wins is a safer bet than 8-8.

I hope to see Tyrod do well and think he can fill the QB gap for two-three years.

But this is a total rebuild. NC just nuked the place and brought in the optimistic guy he could find to keep spirits up. Maybe I am underestimating him and he will do well and exceed everyone’s expectations. I hope he is the next Reid/Harbaugh/Cowher.

If the guy can pull off 8-8 the next year or two I will say he over achieved. Especially with next years schedule.

If not I am pretty sure Cal already knows there is a plan B.

I hope they have a plan.

I am more confident in NC then the coaching staff at this point...

We'll see.
 

thunderkyss

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One can hope but I do think 4 wins is a safer bet than 8-8.

I hope to see Tyrod do well and think he can fill the QB gap for two-three years.

But this is a total rebuild. NC just nuked the place and brought in the optimistic guy he could find to keep spirits up. Maybe I am underestimating him and he will do well and exceed everyone’s expectations. I hope he is the next Reid/Harbaugh/Cowher.

If the guy can pull off 8-8 the next year or two I will say he over achieved. Especially with next years schedule.

If not I am pretty sure Cal already knows there is a plan B.

I hope they have a plan.
So in all that, I didn’t see an answer to why we need a scapegoat when expectations are so low.
 

Mr teX

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I think 8-8 is definitely within reach...there aren’t any holdovers from last years team in any major capacity. All these guys are either new and are coming in with a whole new staff anyway, or are coming back to a staff who have a whole new attitude and/or mindset than what they experienced with BoB last year. I believe that the DW4 stuff will begin to die down once the season starts simply b/c he won’t be in the building to be a distraction like an Antonio Brown or Jalen Ramsey. The team will most definitely have made a decision on him before TC starts and it’ll be out of site out of mind at that point.
 

IDEXAN

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I am more confident in NC then the coaching staff at this point...

We'll see.
The thing about NC is, I can't believe Robert Kraft would have kept the man on his payroll for like 18 or 20 years if he wasn't reasonably competent, maybe even damn good at what Kraft was paying him to do, and that is a very successful NFL franchise by any measure.
 

Jack Burton

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There goes the $$$. There goes our star qb. There goes any hope of getting something for him in draft capital.

let’s get Alex smith and least tank with some style.

we’re gonna be hurting for years. Like a 4 year rebuild
Nah. Caserio can rebuild this in 2 years if he does it right. Smith was 10-6 as a starter for WASH. I’d rather just roll with Tyrod and find a way to draft QB Davis Mills STAN.
Let him sit a year and start getting him weapons next year.
 

Double Barrel

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Why would any of these guys be the best man for the job tho..none of these newer guys that got gigs this offseason reveal that they were so much more qualified to be the next HC over Culley if you just step back and objectively look at what they’d done prior to getting their gigs.

Saleh hadn’t really done anything except 1 year where he had a stout defense that went to the SB. Like literally that’s it. What’s lost In that tho is that his defense was absolutely LOADED that year. His whole front 4 were all #1 picks at 1 point or another. The 2 years prior to that when he was the defensive coordinator their defense wasn’t good under him.

Bienemy...yes he’s been the official playcaller for KC the last few years, but everyone KNOWS that the machinery behind him is Reid. So how good would he really be as a HC without Reid? No one knows but if they had to handicap it based on his most recent protege, it ain’t good...& apparently the rest of the league doesn’t think so either since this is 3 years running now where he hasn’t gotten a gig.

Culley hadn’t held a coordinator position..but neither had Reid or Harbaugh before they took over as HC...they’ve seemed to do pretty well.

so I’m not really a buyer in what’s on a guy’s resume being the main thing to determine if they’re the right person for the job.
Time will tell, and what will ultimately determine if Culley is the right guy will be the results on the field.

If there are other metrics for success as an NFL head coach beyond results, then maybe this franchise is less about winning games and more about whatever it is that they determine more important than on-field success.

And tbh, if building character, or building culture, or whatever, is more important than winning games, then maybe it's time to reevaluate being a fan of this franchise in general.

btw, I don't dislike Culley. I hope he's everything and more that this franchise wants and needs in a HC. That said, I'm not going to deny my own internal skepticism for blind optimism.
 

Texian

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Time will tell, and what will ultimately determine if Culley is the right guy will be the results on the field.

If there are other metrics for success as an NFL head coach beyond results, then maybe this franchise is less about winning games and more about whatever it is that they determine more important than on-field success.

And tbh, if building character, or building culture, or whatever, is more important than winning games, then maybe it's time to reevaluate being a fan of this franchise in general.

btw, I don't dislike Culley. I hope he's everything and more that this franchise wants and needs in a HC. That said, I'm not going to deny my own internal skepticism for blind optimism.
Couldn't agree more. Many here say I hate Caserio because he's from NE. Not true, that is just the history that is against him. Cal, O'Brien and Easterby thought he was the best man for the job (now that scares the hell out of me). - STRIKE 1

His first decision was not to consider a college coach. I disagree, that is short sighted, limits field and scope, creates tunnel vision. Hires a coach with no coordinator or head coach experience. STRIKE 2.

Trades for Cannon, Izzo and Finley who would've been cut anyways. Caserio gave up valuable draft capital to sign them (at inflated salaries) that could've been used to move up for better, younger and cheaper players, longer term players. - STRIKE 3.

Refused to take calls or discuss trading the quarter back. - STRIKE 4

Restructured 5 contracts and counting (maybe a record) in the first year of rebuilding borrowing over $30 million for 2022, 2023 salary caps to rearrange chairs on Titanic in 2021. - STRIKE 5

I am diametrically opposed to every Caserio decision made so far. This is why I am not a Caserio fan. Why I also expect things to get worse. I have same negative feelings in my gut about Caserio as I did when Bob McNair hired Bill O'Brien. We have seen this movie before.
 
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Mr teX

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Time will tell, and what will ultimately determine if Culley is the right guy will be the results on the field.

If there are other metrics for success as an NFL head coach beyond results, then maybe this franchise is less about winning games and more about whatever it is that they determine more important than on-field success.

And tbh, if building character, or building culture, or whatever, is more important than winning games, then maybe it's time to reevaluate being a fan of this franchise in general.

btw, I don't dislike Culley. I hope he's everything and more that this franchise wants and needs in a HC. That said, I'm not going to deny my own internal skepticism for blind optimism.
I can respect that. You'd be a blind homer if you didn't have at least some level of skepticism about any HC hire. My contention is i just don't see any real reason to get down on him as the hire when 1 of the hottest candidates this offseason has 1 season of good results as a DC and the other hasn't been able to land a job in 3 years as THE guy everyone says you should go out to get as the HC.
 

thunderkyss

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And tbh, if building character, or building culture, or whatever, is more important than winning games, then maybe it's time to reevaluate being a fan of this franchise in general.
Before this Watson fiasco I’d have agreed with you. But for the Texans to come out with a “wins is the only thing that matters” approach, may send the wrong message.

I know, I know... 20 years of good boy image and all. But you know what they say, you sodomize 1 goat...
 

thunderkyss

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Couldn't agree more. Many here say I hate Caserio because he's from NE. Not true, that is just the history that is against him. Cal, O'Brien and Easterby thought he was the best man for the job (now that scares the hell out of me). - STRIKE 1

His first decision was not to consider a college coach. I disagree, that is short sighted, limits field and scope, creates tunnel vision. Hires a coach with no coordinator or head coach experience. STRIKE 2.

Trades for Cannon, Izzo and Finley who would've been cut giving up draft capital that could've been used to move up for better, younger and cheaper players. - STRIKE 3.

Refused to take calls or discuss trading the quarter back. - STRIKE 4

Restructured 5 contracts and counting (maybe a record) in the first year of rebuilding borrowing over $30 million for 2022, 2023 salary caps to rearrange chairs on Titanic in 2021. - STRIKE 5

I would've hired Eliot Wolf who has more experienced and was trained by HOF GM(s) and Mike Renner as Asst GM; I would consider college coaches talking first with proven winners Luke Fickell and Kirby Smart;

I would NOT have traded for players who would've been cut anyways, trying instead to sign them as FA at cheaper price, keeping draft capital to move up for better, younger, cheaper, longer term players if needed;

I would've taken calls day 1 on DW4. I established a trade value of 6000 pts. As far I know I am the only one to do so. I would've included Cooks for 6500 points increasing draft capital (another 2nd RD) and reducing salary cap by $10MM;

I would not have restructured any contracts or borrowed money from future years. With JJ, Cooks and 4 or 5 players cut would've provided over $40 MM in cap space. Restructuring would only be used in emergency to trade DW4.

The above is my opinions of how to be prudent responsible rebuilding of a dumpster fire of a team. The Texans may end up with 1st pick in 2022 but that is part of the plan to improve draft capital. Since all of my opinions to improve and rebuild the team directly disagree with all of Caserios decisions is why I am not a Caserio fan and why I expect things to get worse.
I would have brought Ozzie Newsome in, trade DW4 for Aaron Rogers. Then packaged Jj, Cooks, & Fuller for Aaron Donald. Then ship my entire 2021 draft to New York for Saquon Barkley.
 

TexansBull

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It is possible that the Texans could not trade Watson with the amount of information they knew. Whichever team they would have traded with could have filed a complaint and the trade reversed and the Texans could be penalized by losing one or multiple draft picks.

The Texans may not want to go down that road if what they knew and when.

So there goes any fantasy of trading Watson for unicorns.
 

TexansBull

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Heads / Tails

No matter how many times you flip, the odds are still 50 / 50

We just keep making the wrong call.

:coffee:
I looked back at teams that have had coaching changes recently or haven’t reached the AFC Championship game the last 5 years. Here is the list of other teams that have gotten it wrong enough to make coaching changes or haven’t been a stones throws away from the AFC championship game. There are only 4 teams that don’t make the list. Chiefs, Patriots, Titans and Bills. Only 25% of the AFC has had some level of this measurement.

My point is at least we aren’t alone as because of the Patriots the AFC has been the hardest place to win recently.

I didn’t look at the NFC closely because I am lazy, but I am sure it’s close for the same. Seahawks, 49ers, and maybe one or two others would be there.
 

cuppacoffee

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I looked back at teams that have had coaching changes recently or haven’t reached the AFC Championship game the last 5 years. Here is the list of other teams that have gotten it wrong enough to make coaching changes or haven’t been a stones throws away from the AFC championship game. There are only 4 teams that don’t make the list. Chiefs, Patriots, Titans and Bills. Only 25% of the AFC has had some level of this measurement.

My point is at least we aren’t alone as because of the Patriots the AFC has been the hardest place to win recently.

I didn’t look at the NFC closely because I am lazy, but I am sure it’s close for the same. Seahawks, 49ers, and maybe one or two others would be there.
It appears that the league parity is in the lower echelon teams.

Very interested to see how the Pats do without Brady going forward. What do you think?

:coffee:
 

TexansBull

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It appears that the league parity is in the lower echelon teams.

Very interested to see how the Pats do without Brady going forward. What do you think?

:coffee:
I will make bold predictions:

They will never be as good as they were with Brady.

They win some games and lose some games.

They will not with the division unless the other division teams are plagued with injuries, if the pre-injury Cam Newton shows up next year, or Brady suits up next year.

In short - I don’t know, but they will be better than us but not win the division next year. And not as good as they once were.
 

cuppacoffee

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I will make bold predictions:

They will never be as good as they were with Brady.

They win some games and lose some games.

They will not with the division unless the other division teams are plagued with injuries, if the pre-injury Cam Newton shows up next year, or Brady suits up next year.

In short - I don’t know, but they will be better than us but not win the division next year. And not as good as they once were.

That run with Brady at the helm was most likely a once in a lifetime record.

We'll find out now how much BB contributed to their success. Maybe he isn't the GOAT.

Lombardi, Landry, Walsh couple of Steeler coaches should also be in that discussion. We shall see.

:coffee:
 

thunderkyss

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That run with Brady at the helm was most likely a once in a lifetime record.

We'll find out now how much BB contributed to their success. Maybe he isn't the GOAT.

Lombardi, Landry, Walsh couple of Steeler coaches should also be in that discussion. We shall see.

:coffee:
I remember being most impressed by Belichick led teams taking away what opposing teams do best & make them play in the most uncomfortable way they can.
 

cuppacoffee

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I remember being most impressed by Belichick led teams taking away what opposing teams do best & make them play in the most uncomfortable way they can.
I am in no way denying that he is a great coach. Need to see him now without Brady before crowning him GOAT that's all I'm saying.

Kinda straying here. To get back on topic, I believe Caserio will straighten things out pretty quickly.

I can't forecast a W / L record, but I think we will like what we see on the field.

:coffee:
 
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TexansBull

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That run with Brady at the helm was most likely a once in a lifetime record.

We'll find out now how much BB contributed to their success. Maybe he isn't the GOAT.

Lombardi, Landry, Walsh couple of Steeler coaches should also be in that discussion. We shall see.

:coffee:
It can be argued that Belicheck made Brady into a Super Bowl Qb. But Brady made Belicheck into a multiple, most winningest Super Bowl head coach and should get credit for making that team a dynasty. And the Seahawks for throwing it instead of running Marshawn Lynch. And Atlanta for an epic Super Bowl collapse. And the ref who called the forward pass in the Raiders game...
 

TexansBull

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Kinda straying here. To get back on topic, I believe Caserio will straighten things out pretty quickly.

:coffee:
I think the mods she be a little loose with off the topic stuff. All we know this point is we have a new roster with players we hardly know, a new head coach we don’t know much more about, and a new GM we know a little more than the others. The only thing we do know and have talked to death is Watson has worn the Texans jersey for the last time.

Cut us some slack.
 

cuppacoffee

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I think the mods she be a little loose with off the topic stuff. All we know this point is we have a new roster with players we hardly know, a new head coach we don’t know much more about, and a new GM we know a little more than the others. The only thing we do know and have talked to death is Watson has worn the Texans jersey for the last time.

Cut us some slack.
It was self criticism.

:coffee:
 

Mr teX

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I am in no way denying that he is a great coach. Need to see him now without Brady before crowning him GOAT that's all I'm saying.

Kinda straying here. To get back on topic, I believe Caserio will straighten things out pretty quickly.

I can't forecast a W / L record, but I think we will like what we see on the field.

:coffee:
At least 3-4 of their SB are directly b/c of Belichick and His defenses. shut down some of the most prolific offenses the league has ever seen.

Greatest show on turf in the SB against Belichick in 2001...they only scored 17 pts.

the times his defenses shut down Peyton Manning and his prolific offenses in the playoffs? 14 pts 1 year and only 3 pts the other year.

That Rams team a few years ago with Gurley and co. Clicking on all cylinders? Only 3 pts in the SB.

All those teams averaged 30 ppg in the regular season and pretty much steamrolled everyone they faced in the playoffs until they faced Belichick and the Pats. For those 3-4 runs Brady and the offense wasn’t really killing it either and without his defenses holding those offenses in check, Brady’s/Vinatieri’s heroics may not have even mattered.
 


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