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Extending WatsonI guess there weren’t as many as we thought.
Nope your included too, you're the one who had "a question mark for me on Nick Caserio" cause he signed an UDFA that you didn't like. :PHey! What about me?
Danielle Hunter
Nico Collins
Will Anderson
Stefon Diggs
Laremy Tunsil
Joe Mixon
Derek Stingley
There were "NO rumors floating out there" because Nick and Demeco run their draft room tighter than a tick. The famous Stonewall Jackson quote "If I thought that it would keep my hair from finding out my plans, I would cut it off and be bald", completely applies to NC.
All the NFL insiders acknowledged this fact last year. NOBODY outside of the Texans inter circle had any clue as to what the Texans were doing in the draft. the situation This year the situation was the same. nobody had a clue that the Texans had the Kamari Lassiter. in their sights in the 2nd round.
Umm..agreed? Which is why pulling all these draft day rumors and things out about what, who, when and where is again, silly. Even if NC/Meco or whoever said it after the fact. obviously they’re not gonna say something like “yeah, we wanted this guy, but he got picked so we had to settle for this guy..who we really like but…”There were "NO rumors floating out there" because Nick and Demeco run their draft room tighter than a tick. The famous Stonewall Jackson quote "If I thought that it would keep my hair from finding out my plans, I would cut it off and be bald", completely applies to NC.
All the NFL insiders acknowledged this fact last year. NOBODY outside of the Texans inter circle had any clue as to what the Texans were doing in the draft. the situation This year the situation was the same. nobody had a clue that the Texans had the Kamari Lassiter. in their sights in the 2nd round.
Well 1 of the rumors is that Reich didn’t want Young and when you consider that Reich was jettisoned halfway thru his 1st year as HC, it kinda leads you to believe that Tepper did sort of step in and made them take Young…not unlike how Bud stepped in and made Fisher take that other Young back in ‘05 that he didn’t want. ..Beware of qbs with the last name young. But it’s still kinda murky. Coming into the draft and after the Georgia game, CJ had seemingly taken the upper hand in getting drafted #1. But the thing that tipped it back to Young was the S2 nonsense. And if I’m remembering correctly the Panthers were 1 of a few teams who gets the results of those tests. The fact that those results went semi public when they’re supposed to be proprietary screams “agent” before HC/GM to me. They may have hopped on that S2 bandwagon right after their selection of him to sort of justify their selection but I truly believe Young’s agent put that S2 stuff out there. Of course after CJ started lighting it up that S2 stuff blew up in their faces spectacularly. Hell if u go to the panthers board RIGHT NOW TODAY it’s still blowing up in their faces.I always have a lot of skepticism about the Tepper forcing Bryce thing. Firstly it's Tepper so any negative story or rumour gets gobbled up as fact. Secondly MOST organizations, draft analysts, etc had Bryce as #1 - It's such weird revisionist history to act like a team taking Bryce #1 was only because of owner interference. Fact is most teams probably would have taken Bryce #1. And lastly those rumours all seemed to come out AFTER CJ was having a lot of early success and Bryce wasn't. That to me just screams a coach or GM trying to save face rather than there being much truth to the matter. If Tepper was that hard for Bryce I doubt he would have accepted them benching him this early.
Or Hannah put it out or Stroud's people as he didn't want to go to PanthersWell 1 of the rumors is that Reich didn’t want Young and when you consider that Reich was jettisoned halfway thru his 1st year as HC, it kinda leads you to believe that Tepper did sort of step in and made them take Young…not unlike how Bud stepped in and made Fisher take that other Young back in ‘05 that he didn’t want. ..Beware of qbs with the last name young. But it’s still kinda murky. Coming into the draft and after the Georgia game, CJ had seemingly taken the upper hand in getting drafted #1. But the thing that tipped it back to Young was the S2 nonsense. And if I’m remembering correctly the Panthers were 1 of a few teams who gets the results of those tests. The fact that those results went semi public when they’re supposed to be proprietary screams “agent” before HC/GM to me. They may have hopped on that S2 bandwagon right after their selection of him to sort of justify their selection but I truly believe Young’s agent put that S2 stuff out there. Of course after CJ started lighting it up that S2 stuff blew up in their faces spectacularly. Hell if u go to the panthers board RIGHT NOW TODAY it’s still blowing up in their faces.
Gaines drafted Tytus Howard...Extending Watson
Drafting Tytus Howard
Extending Howard to that deal.
Drafting Kenyon Green.
Or Hannah put it out or Stroud's people as he didn't want to go to Panthers
Extending Watson
Drafting Tytus Howard
Extending Howard to that deal.
Drafting Kenyon Green.
I felt like Reich lost his job because he's a coach who isn't that great and runs a scheme from the 2000s and 2010s. He's just not a good modern coach. I know the S2 got a lot of traction but there were plenty of teams and draft analysts who didn't even care about the S2 and still put Bryce ahead.Well 1 of the rumors is that Reich didn’t want Young and when you consider that Reich was jettisoned halfway thru his 1st year as HC, it kinda leads you to believe that Tepper did sort of step in and made them take Young…not unlike how Bud stepped in and made Fisher take that other Young back in ‘05 that he didn’t want. ..Beware of qbs with the last name young. But it’s still kinda murky. Coming into the draft and after the Georgia game, CJ had seemingly taken the upper hand in getting drafted #1. But the thing that tipped it back to Young was the S2 nonsense. And if I’m remembering correctly the Panthers were 1 of a few teams who gets the results of those tests. The fact that those results went semi public when they’re supposed to be proprietary screams “agent” before HC/GM to me. They may have hopped on that S2 bandwagon right after their selection of him to sort of justify their selection but I truly believe Young’s agent put that S2 stuff out there. Of course after CJ started lighting it up that S2 stuff blew up in their faces spectacularly. Hell if u go to the panthers board RIGHT NOW TODAY it’s still blowing up in their faces.
Which one of our drafted players would you have done without?The one year rental in Diggs is my only pet peeve as I would’ve went with a WR in the draft. Otherwise I think nick done a great job
Right, because how does a QB who plays that well for two seasons in what is the best collegeI'm still also not fully convinced Bryce is actually a bust. Way too short a time to know yet for sure.
He was searching for diamonds in the rough hoping he could find a couple of guys like Cashman/Collins. It really wasn't a bad strategy because he knew the team was going to suck, so finding talent meant more than winning and losing the 1st couple of yrs.The only time I was a little upset with Nick was when he kept dropping and adding players. I didn’t understand the reasoning behind those moves. But since he has his HC and QB, he’s not doing that as much.
This is the bottom line.Thread should be dead…dude has made nothing but prudent necessary moves. Some may have hurt a little, others, you may not have understood them at the time, but at the end of the day, we got to where we were trying to get to & we got here faster than some if not most everyone would’ve thought.
Just goes to show how much fans…& media types really don’t know.
He doesn't walk on water, but he's probably the 2nd best GM in the NFL behind Veatch.& there's nothing wrong with saying that. Some people act like he walks on water or something.
You just dont get it, Nick gets players the HC wants, he drafted the players Lovie wanted for Lovie's system and he's currently drafting guys that Ryans wants for his system. He had no control over the Easterby situation, or the drafting of a QB/hiring of the HC. That's an ownership decision. Hannah talked Janice into letting Easterby go. She also mandated that a QB be picked at 1-2 even though both Caserio and Ryans wanted WA at 1-2. In a master stroke, which I disagreed with at the time Caserio was able to get both Stroud and WA at 1-2 and 1-3 which give the team it's star level players to build a bright future around. As a bonus Caserio had already added star level players in the previous 2 drafts in Stingley and Collins (Who some on here were complaining about trading up in the 3rd rd to get).I wanted a fire sale. I wanted to stack cash & roll it over year after year. I wanted to trade down & stack future picks & add whatever he got from a DW4 deal & build from there.
But the main thing that upset me about Nick was that he couldn't persuade Cal to his side of issues, opposed to Easterby about football issues.
Things worked out fine, Hannah took care of Easterby & gave Nick an Alpha to follow in DeMeco, so alls well that ends well.
1. I thought Derrick was extended before Caserio got here, anyway that was an ownership decison.Extending Watson
Drafting Tytus Howard
Extending Howard to that deal.
Drafting Kenyon Green.
I've probably been the biggest supporter of Caserio since he arrived on Kirby. His 2 biggest moves before he drafted Stroud/WA were drafting Collins when he had very little to work with and extending Tunsil. I would say most posters on here disagreed with ose moves. Some listend to the media and were hoping Caserio would trade Tunsil for a late 1st/early 2nd rd pick.Nope your included too, you're the one who had "a question mark for me on Nick Caserio" cause he signed an UDFA that you didn't like. :P
At the time I wanted Brian Thomas Jr. badly enough to trade up a bit for him. He's like Nico. In hinsight Caserio/Ryans made the right move.Which one of our drafted players would you have done without?
Quoted for truth, except the difference is Young doesn't have any outstanding traits to makeup for being a midget. He's got an avg arm and avg mobility. To play in the NFL and be successful you must have outstanding traits even if you have size. If you dont then you get what the Panthers have in Young. I do believe Young will hang around the NFL a long time as a fring starter in a best case scenario or a backup.Right, because how does a QB who plays that well for two seasons in what is the best college
and most NFL like conference in the country ? It would seem there should be enough underlying talent there to atleast be mediorce in the NFL ?
Look at the QB our guys are facing tomorrow: he apparently has arrived after being a high
first round pick and failing more than once with other teams.
You don't think a billionaire can get something like info on S2? Also the positives about the roster for Carolina doesn't have anything to do necessarily with a player wanting to not go there. Coaching or ownership would be huge and we have seen it over the years more than once. I think most people including Stroud's people could guess that if he did not go number one he would go in the top three to five. As has been said, most were predicting young to go number one but also most were predicting Stroud would go number two.But how would either of those individuals have gotten the results when only certain teams got it & the Texans weren’t 1 of those teams? I don’t see CJ’s camp leaking it to avoid going to Carolina b/c it’s funny now, but they were actually thought to be in better shape as a team than the Texans were. And 2, CJ couldn’t have predicted how far he’d fall…especially with Richardson shooting up the draft board…the contagion factor. Had to be someone looking to benefit & the only individual that would’ve been was Young.
? What does what he said have to do with our drafted players now on the team? If we did not get Diggs, we would have drafted another wide receiver to fill that spot. Many had wide receiver going high in the draft.Which one of our drafted players would you have done without?
Yep Steel I agree with you because that's a very plausible and a damn good explanation forQuoted for truth, except the difference is Young doesn't have any outstanding traits to makeup for being a midget. He's got an avg arm and avg mobility. To play in the NFL and be successful you must have outstanding traits even if you have size. If you dont then you get what the Panthers have in Young. I do believe Young will hang around the NFL a long time as a fring starter in a best case scenario or a backup.
Cmon man, that’s tinfoil hat stuff there. That the Mcnairs were so smitten & obsessed with landing Stroud that they concocted a scheme that would cause him to fall? Too far fetched imo.You don't think a billionaire can get something like info on S2? Also the positives about the roster for Carolina doesn't have anything to do necessarily with a player wanting to not go there. Coaching or ownership would be huge and we have seen it over the years more than once. I think most people including Stroud's people could guess that if he did not go number one he would go in the top three to five. As has been said, most were predicting young to go number one but also most were predicting Stroud would go number two.
If you draft a receiver you don't draft someone else. It's a pretty easy and clear one or the other.? What does what he said have to do with our drafted players now on the team? If we did not get Diggs, we would have drafted another wide receiver to fill that spot. Many had wide receiver going high in the draft.
I think Young has talent. Not number 1 overall pick type talent. I think his ceiling is similar to another #1 overall pick, Alex Smith. He can be good in the right situation. The Panthers aren’t the right situation currently.Right, because how does a QB who plays that well for two seasons in what is the best college
and most NFL like conference in the country ? It would seem there should be enough underlying talent there to atleast be mediorce in the NFL ?
Look at the QB our guys are facing tomorrow: he apparently has arrived after being a high
first round pick and failing more than once with other teams.
Tepper is very likely the person most responsible for Young's benching, and not actually theI think Young has talent. Not number 1 overall pick type talent. I think his ceiling is similar to another #1 overall pick, Alex Smith. He can be good in the right situation. The Panthers aren’t the right situation currently.
The fact they traded their WR1 in addition to picks just set him up for failure. Trading off CMC in-season before obviously didn’t help either. Trading away Brian Burns didn’t make that defense better.
They are talent deprived and up against the cap. They need a complete makeover like the Texans just had. And they need to get REALLY lucky with their next QB/coach like the Texans just did. I could see Canales being a one and done HC as well which would fit the Texans timeline of Culley/Lovie/Ryans.
Their OL of Ekwonu/Lewis/Corbett/Hunt/Moton shouldn't be bad.I think Young has talent. Not number 1 overall pick type talent. I think his ceiling is similar to another #1 overall pick, Alex Smith. He can be good in the right situation. The Panthers aren’t the right situation currently.
The fact they traded their WR1 in addition to picks just set him up for failure. Trading off CMC in-season before obviously didn’t help either. Trading away Brian Burns didn’t make that defense better.
They are talent deprived and up against the cap. They need a complete makeover like the Texans just had. And they need to get REALLY lucky with their next QB/coach like the Texans just did. I could see Canales being a one and done HC as well which would fit the Texans timeline of Culley/Lovie/Ryans.
Coaching mattersThat should be decent offense but it's not, I wonder what's going on in Carolina.
As long as he does what he's told.He doesn't walk on water, but he's probably the 2nd best GM in the NFL behind Veatch.
I suppose I disagree about him having the talent, I watched him play against the Saints any there wasn't any skillset that I thought could be developed. Weak arm, bad accuracy, can't see downfield, and despite his high S2 score it didn't seem like he had concept of how the play was supposed to unfold.I think Young has talent. Not number 1 overall pick type talent. I think his ceiling is similar to another #1 overall pick, Alex Smith. He can be good in the right situation. The Panthers aren’t the right situation currently.
The fact they traded their WR1 in addition to picks just set him up for failure. Trading off CMC in-season before obviously didn’t help either. Trading away Brian Burns didn’t make that defense better.
They are talent deprived and up against the cap. They need a complete makeover like the Texans just had. And they need to get REALLY lucky with their next QB/coach like the Texans just did. I could see Canales being a one and done HC as well which would fit the Texans timeline of Culley/Lovie/Ryans.
I’d actually would’ve stayed put in the first round instead of trading down so probably would’ve missed out on LassiterWhich one of our drafted players would you have done without?
Sorry didn't know you were asking me. Go back through the threads. We argued this stuff for years. It all ended after Stroud. Anything else is revisionist history.
There was a lot of questionable ish back then that are moot because he knocked the QB position out the park.
Just above that post I mentioned my issues.You are the one that has said multiple times there were many questionable moves and now can’t name any. When called out on it you are now you are telling people to do their own research to find out what the questionable moves were. That type of response is weak.
And if anyone disagrees then it is revisionist history. Also weak. Try to shut down any conversation about why your bias may be wrong.
This all reminds me of this story about this doctor who told people to take this magic drug to keep from catching an illness. People questioned him and he pointed to research and told them they were crazy for disagreeing. Then a couple years later it was disproven that the drug didn’t keep the illness away but now no one wants to talk about how this doctor was a wrong and how people lost their job or how they were criticized for not taking this magic drug.
Young got one HC firedCoaching matters
Who do you think finds the players Ryans wants? Nobody tells him you've gotta get this guy. Example, Rumor was Ryans wanted Wilkins bad and Caserio told him he couldn't fit Wilkins into the budget given what the Raiders paid Wilkins. So Caseio wisely waited until the 2nd wave of FA (I was very critical of Caserio at the time) and signed Hunter who fit within the budget. You must've loved the way RS/BOB worked together.As long as he does what he's told.
Wilkins got a ridiculous contract. I love how Caserio doesn’t let emotion get in the way of his decisions. He works with the coaches/FO and assigns players values. If they exceed that value then they move onto the next player on their list. EX: Rankins.Who do you think finds the players Ryans wants? Nobody tells him you've gotta get this guy. Example, Rumor was Ryans wanted Wilkins bad and Caserio told him he couldn't fit Wilkins into the budget given what the Raiders paid Wilkins. So Caseio wisely waited until the 2nd wave of FA (I was very critical of Caserio at the time) and signed Hunter who fit within the budget. You must've loved the way RS/BOB worked together.
He didn’t get that man fired. You making it seem like he went into the front office and told management, I want him gone. lolYoung got one HC fired
Apparently the 2nd HC isn't going to let Young get him fired. I'm sure Canales went to Tepper and said if we keep starting Young we're going to lose the rest of the players on the team.
Could it be that they’re not doing a good job because the play calling is worse? In other words… bad coaching.He didn’t get that man fired. You making seem like he went into the front office and told management, I want him gone. lol
How are you going to lose the rest of the players? They’re getting paid to do their jobs. And to be frank they’re not doing a good job. That offensive line is atrocious. The play calling is even worse.
Young had to benched. When a QB fails constantly, you will lose the team if you keep the guy in. There has to be accountability.Tepper is very likely the person most responsible for Young's benching, and not actually the
HC IMO.
You have to be specific versus just tossing out allegations like that.Could it be that they’re not doing a good job because the play calling is worse? In other words… bad coaching.
It was pretty clear to me that he meant that the selection of Young got him fired.
Who do you think finds the players Ryans wants? Nobody tells him you've gotta get this guy. Example, Rumor was Ryans wanted Wilkins bad and Caserio told him he couldn't fit Wilkins into the budget given what the Raiders paid Wilkins. So Caseio wisely waited until the 2nd wave of FA (I was very critical of Caserio at the time) and signed Hunter who fit within the budget. You must've loved the way RS/BOB worked together.
His play got the 1st HC fired and will get the next HC fired if he starts for them. The NFL isn't meant for midgets without special traits. What special trait does Young have? There's a reason he lost his job despite the Panthers heavy investment. Speaking of heavy investments, Carolina invested heavily in Lewis/Hunt om their OL in FA and the WR/TE/RB in the draft. At some point this falls on Young.He didn’t get that man fired. You making it seem like he went into the front office and told management, I want him gone. lol
How are you going to lose the rest of the players? They’re getting paid to do their jobs. And to be frank they’re not doing a good job. That offensive line is atrocious. The play calling is even worse.
I would've thought you would've known what I meant? It appears other posters knew what I meant. I'll try to be more specific when responding to you in particular because you appear to need me to be very specific. (My bad) Man you've got a midget crush going on very bad.You have to be specific versus just tossing out allegations like that.
Coaching is bad over there right now. That’s on the GM. Should he fired? Along with the HC.
Should Levis be benched?I would've thought you would've known what I meant? It appears other posters knew what I meant. I'll try to be more specific when responding to you in particular because you appear to need me to be very specific. (My bad) Man you've got a midget crush going on very bad.
2 bad HC's in a row. The 3rd HC will be bad too if Young is his QB. (Is that specific enough for you?)
What does Levis have to do with this.? Strawman argument.Should Levis be benched?
And yes that’s two bad HC’s in a row. Did you forget about Culley and Lovie? So let’s not act like we’ve never seen conservatives bad HC. The Panthers entire team looks like trash.
I'm not sure if Bryce is the real deal but Reich got himself fired. Just very simply not a good coach in this modern era.His play got the 1st HC fired and will get the next HC fired if he starts for them. The NFL isn't meant for midgets without special traits. What special trait does Young have? There's a reason he lost his job despite the Panthers heavy investment. Speaking of heavy investments, Carolina invested heavily in Lewis/Hunt om their OL in FA and the WR/TE/RB in the draft. At some point this falls on Young.
The Panthers looked a little bit different today with a legitimate QB behind center.I'm not sure if Bryce is the real deal but Reich got himself fired. Just very simply not a good coach in this modern era.
And a good coach at the helm.The Panthers looked a little bit different today with a legitimate QB behind center.