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Tua already knows what he is deciding. This is just one big show in order to support a decision to continue playing. Again, no physician will tell a player that he CAN'T continue to play..........only that he SHOULDN'T...........and the public will not hear that.

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Mike McDaniel: Tua Tagovailoa set for “expert consultation” this week, “nothing negative” thus far
By Josh Alper
Published October 7, 2024 02:34 PM

Dolphins quarterback Tua Tagovailoa will be on injured reserve for at least two more weeks and the process of getting back on the field will continue this week.

Head coach Mike McDaniel said at a Monday press conference that Tagovailoa will have “some expert consultation” about his concussion in the coming days. With the Dolphins on a bye this week, Tagovailoa will be eligible to practice with the team after their Week Seven game against the Colts. He will remain in the concussion protocol until he does get back on the field because practice work is one of the steps toward being cleared and McDaniel said there’s been no word from any doctors that would rule out a return at that point.

“There’s been nothing negative thus far, but we’re still in the process. We don’t rush that process and we don’t try to do anything that negatively impacts that.” McDaniel said.

This week’s consultations should provide the team with more insight about the likelihood that he will be back on the field later this month.
 
Chiefs Rashee Rice will have surgery on his knee tomorrow. Apparently, it is for going into his knee for an LCL repair, there may be additional damage they find during the surgery. "Strangely," no one has definitely dispelled an ACL tear. There is no way they don't know what any major injury that exists now.
 
As I've posted re. Josh Allen's concussion and the way it was handled was messed up in so many ways. If there is any question of an in-game (and there were many), the player should be removed and observed long-term. Symptoms are not uncommonly very evident until hours to days following the hit.

Here is a perfect example..............so much for the NFL Concussion Protocol.............READ THIS SHORT ARTICLE!!!

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The Chicago Tribune

Chicago Bears safety Jaquan Brisker will not travel to London with the team due to concussion symptoms​

By Dan Wiederer | dwiederer@chicagotribune.com | Chicago Tribune
PUBLISHED: October 7, 2024 at 6:42 p.m.

Starting safety Jaquan Brisker will not travel with the Chicago Bears to London on Monday night after reporting concussion symptoms to the team earlier in the afternoon. Brisker is one of three players not heading overseas with the Bears, joined on that list by defensive tackle Zacch Pickens (groin) and cornerback Terell Smith (hip), who both missed Sunday’s game.

Brisker has not been declared out for the upcoming game and can join the team in London if he clears concussion protocol before the week’s end.

Brisker forced a fumble on Carolina Panthers tight end Tommy Tremble during the first half of Sunday’s 36-10 victory at Soldier Field, delivering a hit that knocked Tremble out of the game with his own concussion. Brisker, however, stayed in and sat out only the final series of the afternoon when the Bears pulled their defensive starters because of the lopsided nature of the score.

Brisker has had a history of concussions during his time with the Bears. He missed two games in his rookie season in 2022 with a head injury he suffered during a loss in Atlanta. He missed two additional games last season against the Los Angeles Chargers and New Orleans Saints.

The team initially declared Brisker’s absence against the Chargers as illness-related before revealing the following week that Brisker had a concussion. In the game before the Bears played the Chargers last season, Brisker was involved in a major collision on a two-point conversion play against the Raiders and was evaluated for a concussion. But he returned to that game before the team declared him out the following week with an illness and later ultimately diagnosed him with a concussion.

Brisker’s 2022 concussion was formally diagnosed after he was twice evaluated for a concussion during the game against the Falcons but twice cleared to return to the field.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
As I've posted re. Josh Allen's concussion and the way it was handled was messed up in so many ways. If there is any question of an in-game (and there were many), the player should be removed and observed long-term. Symptoms are not uncommonly very evident until hours to days following the hit.

Here is a perfect example..............so much for the NFL Concussion Protocol.............READ THIS SHORT ARTICLE!!!

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The Chicago Tribune

Chicago Bears safety Jaquan Brisker will not travel to London with the team due to concussion symptoms​

By Dan Wiederer | dwiederer@chicagotribune.com | Chicago Tribune
PUBLISHED: October 7, 2024 at 6:42 p.m.

Starting safety Jaquan Brisker will not travel with the Chicago Bears to London on Monday night after reporting concussion symptoms to the team earlier in the afternoon. Brisker is one of three players not heading overseas with the Bears, joined on that list by defensive tackle Zacch Pickens (groin) and cornerback Terell Smith (hip), who both missed Sunday’s game.

Brisker has not been declared out for the upcoming game and can join the team in London if he clears concussion protocol before the week’s end.

Brisker forced a fumble on Carolina Panthers tight end Tommy Tremble during the first half of Sunday’s 36-10 victory at Soldier Field, delivering a hit that knocked Tremble out of the game with his own concussion. Brisker, however, stayed in and sat out only the final series of the afternoon when the Bears pulled their defensive starters because of the lopsided nature of the score.

Brisker has had a history of concussions during his time with the Bears. He missed two games in his rookie season in 2022 with a head injury he suffered during a loss in Atlanta. He missed two additional games last season against the Los Angeles Chargers and New Orleans Saints.

The team initially declared Brisker’s absence against the Chargers as illness-related before revealing the following week that Brisker had a concussion. In the game before the Bears played the Chargers last season, Brisker was involved in a major collision on a two-point conversion play against the Raiders and was evaluated for a concussion. But he returned to that game before the team declared him out the following week with an illness and later ultimately diagnosed him with a concussion.

Brisker’s 2022 concussion was formally diagnosed after he was twice evaluated for a concussion during the game against the Falcons but twice cleared to return to the field.
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nypost.com

NFL under fire for using smelling salts to wake up Josh Allen after scary hit

The NFL’s player safety and concussion protocols were drawn into the limelight for all the wrong reasons during Buffalo’s Week 5 loss to Houston on Sunday.
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Uhhh- not good?
 
TexansBull said:
nypost.com

NFL under fire for using smelling salts to wake up Josh Allen after scary hit

The NFL’s player safety and concussion protocols were drawn into the limelight for all the wrong reasons during Buffalo’s Week 5 loss to Houston on Sunday.
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Uhhh- not good?
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So technically he still hasn't been officially diagnosed with a concussion. So far no reports of symptoms? He is not currently in the concussion protocol?

If he were your franchise & you were genuinely concerned for his health. For whatever reason mistakes were made & they missed a sign or two of a concussion Sunday, wouldn't you, the HC, the OC, the QB coach, his teammate, his wife... would you say or do something to protect him yesterday or today? If so, what would that be & how would it look to the public without admitting the NFL made a mistake?

If it were me Josh Allen would be on the injury report for his chest or ankle & wouldn't return to practice until he passes a concussion test.
 
thunderkyss said:
So technically he still hasn't been officially diagnosed with a concussion. So far no reports of symptoms? He is not currently in the concussion protocol?

If he were your franchise & you were genuinely concerned for his health. For whatever reason mistakes were made & they missed a sign or two of a concussion Sunday, wouldn't you, the HC, the OC, the QB coach, his teammate, his wife... would you say or do something to protect him yesterday or today? If so, what would that be & how would it look to the public without admitting the NFL made a mistake?

If it were me Josh Allen would be on the injury report for his chest or ankle & wouldn't return to practice until he passes a concussion test.
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Yep. Hold your franchise QB out just like the Texans did with Stroud last year. Stroud missed 2 big games - Titans and Browns. Texans showed his health was more important than winning those games.
 
The wording "nothing else in the knee needed to be fixed" is purposely vague.....................it does not exclude meniscus or articular cartilage damage which is often removed not repaired/fixed.

He will not return this season. Of interest, studies have shown up to 40% failure rates of LCL repairs.

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Report: Rashee Rice needed LCL repair only
By Mike Florio
Published October 8, 2024 03:56 PM

After receiver Rashee Rice suffered a friendly-fire knee injury against the Chargers, the Chiefs expected the worst. They ended up getting something better than that.

Via Ian Rapoport of NFL Media, Rice needed only a repair to his LCL. Nothing else in the knee (particularly the ACL) needed to be fixed.

His status continues to be vague and unclear. Is he done for the season? Could he return for the playoffs?

That ambiguity will make a suspension imposed in 2024 for his off-field incident from earlier this year seem more palatable.

The goal had been to delay the resolution of the eight street-racing felony charges until after the season. Now, it makes sense to get it done — and to double dip.

If he’s going to miss the rest of the season anyway, why not take the suspension concurrently? He’ll lose his game checks for the number of games in the suspension. He’s already losing the ability to play, likely until 2025.

Some will bristle at that. For Rice, it makes sense — if his representatives and lawyers can pull it off.
 
Additional commentaries that emphasize all of my previously posted criticisms of how the NFL conducts their Concussion Protocol.

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Chris Nowinski wants investigation of Josh Allen concussion evaluation
By Mike Florio
Published October 8, 2024 04:26 PM

A leading brain-safety advocate wants to know more about the latest concussion controversy in the NFL.

On Sunday, Bills quarterback Josh Allen’s head hit the turf. To the non-medically-trained eye, he reasonably seemed to be in distress. As explained on Sunday night, Allen ultimately missed six total plays (a punt, four defensive snaps, and one offensive snap; also known as, given the position Allen plays, “one play”), 2:30 of game time, and 6:06 of actual clock time.

Was that long enough to ensure Allen was fine? Was it simply an expedited application of a process aimed at getting Allen back on the field, at a time when the game was in the balance and the Bills needed their franchise quarterback?

Chris Nowinski, co-founder of the Concussion Legacy Foundation, told CNN that he wants to know more about how and why
Allen was cleared so quickly.

“The more I watch this video, the more I’m troubled about what happened,” Nowinski said. “As Josh Allen was going down, you see he is raising his left arm to protect his head, which is a very natural movement when you’re falling like that, and then after his head bounces so high off the ground, that arm goes limp and you see his wrist catch against the ground which can break your wrist.

“That’s something that any athlete if they were aware would avoid, so I really do think he was unconscious there for a moment after that hit. . . . Ethically, the idea that he was trying to be a hero and no one told him: ‘Hey dude, you were knocked out, your teammates had to roll you over’ really makes you wonder what happened here and this does need to be investigated.”

Nowinski also has concerns about the offering of smelling salts to Allen, after he emerged from the blue medical tent, calling the optics of that move “an absolute disaster and should not happen.”

“The idea that [smelling salts are] anywhere near the blue tent when someone is being evaluated for concussion is terrible so I hope we never see that again and I hope to see a rule change that comes with that,” Nowinski said.

As Devin McCourty and I explained on Tuesday’s PFT Live, the affected team and the league have a clear interest in getting the best players (quarterbacks especially) back on the field as soon as possible. Two years ago, NFL executive V.P. of football operations Troy Vincent defended during a Sunday morning appearance on ESPN the habit of officials aggressively throwing flags for roughing the passer by pointing out that pro football games have high ratings, and that those ratings depend on the best quarterbacks being available.

Although last year’s quarterback injuries and ensuing rating didn’t bear that out, the fact remains that the game itself depends on the best players playing, especially when the player who might be injured plays for the team that’s trying to complete a come-from-behind win.

The potential comeback keeps audiences engaged. Ushering in the backup quarterback causes fans to lose interest. (Which is what happened last night, when Derek Carr headed for the locker room and missed the rest of the Saints-Chiefs game.)

Even if a proper concussion evaluation should require more time (years ago, Dr. Julian Bailes told me that all concussion evaluations should occur in the quiet and calm of the locker room), the league’s unspoken objective is to avoid keeping a starting quarterback out of action for 10-15 minutes of real time, only to learn that he was fine all along.

So things move faster when the best players are injured. Devin spoke to his own experiences in that regard on Tuesday. When the best player is out of action, there’s an urgency to get him back in.

After the Tua Tagovailoa “back injury” from September 2022, the NFL Players Association emphasized the difference between checking boxes in order to get a player back on the field and health care. When a player is flagged for a concussion evaluation, it’s supposed to be about health care.

The mere fact that Allen was fully cleared to play after what everyone saw on Sunday suggests that, in his case, it was about checking the concussion-clearance boxes ASAFP.

With a dash of smelling salts, just in case.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
The wording "nothing else in the knee needed to be fixed" is purposely vague.....................it does not exclude meniscus or articular cartilage damage which is often removed not repaired/fixed.

He will not return this season. Of interest, studies have shown up to 40% failure rates of LCL repairs.

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Report: Rashee Rice needed LCL repair only
By Mike Florio
Published October 8, 2024 03:56 PM

After receiver Rashee Rice suffered a friendly-fire knee injury against the Chargers, the Chiefs expected the worst. They ended up getting something better than that.

Via Ian Rapoport of NFL Media, Rice needed only a repair to his LCL. Nothing else in the knee (particularly the ACL) needed to be fixed.

His status continues to be vague and unclear. Is he done for the season? Could he return for the playoffs?

That ambiguity will make a suspension imposed in 2024 for his off-field incident from earlier this year seem more palatable.

The goal had been to delay the resolution of the eight street-racing felony charges until after the season. Now, it makes sense to get it done — and to double dip.

If he’s going to miss the rest of the season anyway, why not take the suspension concurrently? He’ll lose his game checks for the number of games in the suspension. He’s already losing the ability to play, likely until 2025.

Some will bristle at that. For Rice, it makes sense — if his representatives and lawyers can pull it off.
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Just learned that as suspected, Rice suffered additional injury to his hamstring tendon...............a rupture that also required repair.
 
Derek Carr was injured in the 2nd half of last night’s game. His MRI today demonstrated that he has a significant oblique muscle tear. His injury involved overexten ding the muscle and straining the side of his nondominant arm. In this case, since he throws with his right arm, the side strain occurred in his left oblique where it attached to his ribs.

The team states that he will miss a couple of weeks. I'd be surprised if he is able to return before 3-5 weeks.
 
Raiders DT Christian Wilkins suffered a foot injury in Sunday's game. He has undergone surgery to repair a Jones fracture. The team reports that he will be out "indefinitely." He would be expected to miss no less than 2 months.
 
thunderkyss said:
I thought they were awesome.
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TexansBull said:
I would hire Saleh here until he gets on as a DC somewhere.

It would not hurt to have him help out Demeco.
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The Pencil Neck said:
Saleh was a guy I wanted.
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The Texans only have 24 assistant coaches. There's a real need for another. I mean, who's in charge of pre-game speeches? Enter Saleh. He can give his classic Eagle/Crow speech. Do you want to be a crow? Or a *&^%$#@!%^&*() Eagle?

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Lucky said:
The Texans only have 24 assistant coaches. There's a real need for another. I mean, who's in charge of pre-game speeches? Enter Saleh. He can give his classic Eagle/Crow speech. Do you want to be a crow? Or a *&^%$#@!%^&*() Eagle?
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If your aging over the hill QB has enough power to get your head cocach fired, your franchise might be a dumpster fire.


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There is no doubt that Allen's situation was at very least "suspicious"............visually and especially with the presentation of smelling salts! The NFL did not follow its own Protocol. Note:

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He should have been taken to the locker room................but again, if you don't want to find something, you don't look for it.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
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There is no doubt that Allen's situation was at very least "suspicious"............visually and especially with the presentation of smelling salts! The NFL did not follow its own Protocol. Note:

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He should have been taken to the locker room................but again, if you don't want to find something, you don't look for it.
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I just can't understand why the Bills would take a chance with their $250 million franchise QB. It's week 5 in a long NFL season. It's the dumbest thing I've seen this season. Which is saying something.
 
What we "TALKED ABOUT" seems vague and subjective and essentially side-steps the issue. It is obvious that the people involved with the evaluation did not properly weigh his subjective responses against the visual of the intensity of the hit, the fact that he lay motionless and limp immediately following the hit, was affected enough that he was given smelling salts before returning to the game and was not evaluated in the quite environment of the locker room.

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People are hardly not talking about the severe helmet-to-helmet hit Josh Allen took in the game one week prior to the Texans game.....in which both players were evaluated for concussion, cleared and allowed to return to play. It is very likely that he suffered a concussion then. Independent of our D, Allen didn't really look right throughout the Texans game, then he took that hit by the Texans D and he looked and played like little birdies were still flying around his head. A back-to-back concussion is not a far-fetched conclusion.
 
Josh Allen’s guarded remarks highlight checklist vs. healthcare tension over concussions
By Mike Florio
Published October 10, 2024 09:49 AM

Fifteen years ago, the NFL was forced to move away from the traditional how many fingers?-style model for clearing players to return after taking a big blow to the head. And much has changed, in part because if the NFL hadn’t done it on its own, Congress would have forced the issue.

A tension still lingers between getting a key player back on the field after a potential concussion and providing actual healthcare to a player who has suffered a brain injury. The latest example of it came from (and continues to come from) Bills quarterback Josh Allen.

On Sunday, Allen hit his head on the ground, hard. He missed 2:30 of game time and 6:06 of real time while he received an evaluation, first of his ankle and then of his brain. At one point on the sideline, he was offered smelling salts. He ultimately missed only one offensive snap in a game the Bills trailed by three points, 20-17, in the fourth quarter.

On one hand, it’s a checklist. On the other hand, it’s healthcare — or at least it should be. The problem is that proper healthcare takes too long. Dr. Julian Bailes told me years ago that the sideline is no place for an effective concussion evaluation.

“Making the diagnosis of concussion on the field or sideline has always been difficult,” Dr. Bailes told PFT by email in 2011. “Lately I’ve come to think that the safest way if an athlete has ‘concussion-like symptoms,’ is to remove them to the locker room where you can be away from the noise, cold, and distractions. If there is any suspicion that a concussion has occurred, then they are not put back in the game.”

The late John Madden put it this way: “When in doubt, leave them out.”

The problem with that approach is that players who ultimately did not have concussions could be prevented from playing. The more important the player, the more problematic that becomes for his team — and for a league that wants its best players on the field.

For Allen, was it a checklist applied on an expedited basis, or was it healthcare? Was there suspicion he’d suffered a concussion? The offer of smelling salts would tend to confirm that.

Three days later, something still seemed to be a little off, to the outside observer. Consider Allen’s words from Wednesday: “I obviously went into the tent. I can only control what I can control. What we talked about there, they deemed me cleared to play, and that’s what happened. That’s as deep as I’ll get into it.”

That last part feels less like Allen exercising his HIPAA rights and more like Allen choosing to say as little as possible because he might say something that lands him in the protocol.

It’s not his fault. The system allows it, if not encourages it. Like any other portion of the rules, the concussion protocol becomes something for which teams that want to win football games need to approach strategically. The players want to play.

The teams want the players to play. They understand what it takes to allow them to play.

The players, as Joe Burrow said in the aftermath of the initial Tua Tagovailoa concussion controversy, know what they signed up for. But the league has created a system that, when properly applied, can keep them from doing the thing they signed up to do.

Therein lies the rub. Checklist vs. healthcare. The players and their teams want it to be the former. The league, ideally, wants it to be the latter.

But does it? Again, the game benefits from having the best players on the field. The game benefits from players not being unreasonably delayed from returning to play after suffering a suspected concussion.

Most of us aren’t doctors. Most of us have common sense. Concussion evaluations all too often seem as if they’re regarded by player and/or team as an annoyance, not as a diagnostic tool critical to the short- and long-term health of the player.

The faster they’re done, the more they seem to be no different than a pit crew changing out the tires and filling the tank with gas. Time is of the essence, when the real essence should be the well being of a player who is willing to disregard it in the moment.
 
Cowboys RG Zack Martin was listed as out of practice Wednesday for "load management". He remained out today but this time with a back injury added to the report. Back injuries are always worrisome........commonly long-term.
 
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