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Some owners ponder possibly foisting some of the Sunday Ticket verdict onto the players
By Mike Florio
Published July 26, 2024 12:10 AM

After the NFL suffered the biggest courtroom loss in the history of American sports, PFT asked the NFL whether the potential $14.1 billion loss would impact the salary cap.

Here was the question: “I have people asking me if this will affect [the] salary cap. My understanding is that the verdict won’t but potential changes to Sunday Ticket resulting from the verdict could. Is that accurate?”

Here was the answer, from a league spokesperson: “Right. Salary cap is based on revenue. It’s premature at this point to know if there will need to be changes.”

That might have changed.

Via Ben Fischer of Sports Business Journal, some owners wonder whether a portion of the verdict can be foisted onto the players.

The argument is simple. The NFL and the NFL Players Association roughly share all revenues on a 50-50 basis. The money from DirecTV for Sunday Ticket and from CBS and Fox for games televised on “free” TV went to the owners and to the players. If the league has to pay back money it has already received from the networks, why shouldn’t the players pay back some of the money they received, too?

The NFLPA was previously made aware of the possibility. It’s unclear whether the union is taking it seriously. I’ve scoured the current CBA for any language that would justify clawing back revenues already earned and distributed to the players, via the cap. I don’t see anything.

Given that the current CBA was negotiated in 2020, five years after the current antitrust litigation was filed, the league could have tried to sneak language into the deal that would support an effort to take back money from the union if the case went south.

Of course, the absence of contractual language doesn’t stop the owners from trying to make the players share in the responsibility for the league’s antitrust violation. On one hand, the players benefited from it. On the other hand, they’re not the ones who did it.

Why should the players be responsible for a business strategy gone wrong that they didn’t devise? Why should they have to suffer the brunt of a worst-case scenario that the owners created by rolling the dice, for 30 years, on the possibility that pricing Sunday Ticket in a way that drove fans to watch the games available in their local markets would blow up in their faces?

Maybe the players would have recognized the potential antitrust violation, and would have argued for a different approach. Maybe the players would have refused to allow the NFL to insist on Sunday Ticket being a “premium” offering that gouged the most avid fans if they had a voice in how the double-dipping was done.

Again, it doesn’t stop the owners from trying to spread the pain to anyone but themselves. They didn’t get that rich by being stupid. If every one of them is potentially going to have to come up with $440 million, they’re smart enough to try to find someone else to foot the bill.
 
His coronary heart health was based on a clean standard cardiac treadmill stress test. Most people don't realize that this test will miss ~30% of coronary heart disease.............only about 1 standard deviation better than a coin flip A nuclear cardiac or nuclear echo treadmill stress test is actually the gold standard for stress testing, and can pick up close to 90%.

RIP, big man!

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Former Houston Oilers DT Doug Smith dies of a heart attack at 64
By Charean Williams
Published July 26, 2024 12:08 AM

Former Houston Oilers defensive tackle Doug Smith died Thursday afternoon from a heart attack, Mark Berman, formerly sports director at KRIV, reports. Smith was 64.

“It was unexpected,” Smith’s wife, Becky, told Berman. “Two months ago, he got a clean bill of health for his heart. He went to his cardiologist and [the tests] came back his heart was good, but you know we know even healthy people can have a heart attack.”

The Oilers selected Smith out of Auburn in the second round of the 1984 draft, but he instead signed with the Birmingham Stallions of the USFL. His deal was a four-year deal reportedly worth $1.2 million with a signing bonus of $350,000.
Smith totaled five sacks and earned All-USFL honors as a rookie, but the league folded before the 1985 season.
He went on to play 101 games with the Oilers, starting 77, in his eight seasons. He totaled one interception and 14 sacks.

Smith’s career was threatened in 1990 when he was shot in the knee while at a gathering of friends and family near his childhood home in Bayboro, North Carolina. Smith, though, continued his career and retired after the 1992 season.
 
If this occurred in TX, if he were even arrested, he would sadly likely only be fined a couple hundred dollars since by TX law dogs are simply considered "property" with little assigned value. :cheese:


There should be a special place in Hell for people like Buggs!

Not mentioned in that article:

The judge ordered Buggs:

1] He would have all but 60 days of his sentence, if "pending the behavior of the defendant."

2] He could not be in the possession of any guns and prohibited him from owning any cats or dogs.

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Isaiah Buggs convicted of misdemeanor animal cruelty, will serve 60 days’ hard labor
By Michael David Smith
Published July 26, 2024 12:28 PM

Isaiah Buggs, a defensive lineman who was cut by the Chiefs after two offseason arrests in Alabama, has been sentenced after a conviction in one of those two cases.

Buggs was convicted of two counts of misdemeanor animal cruelty and sentenced to a year of hard labor, of which he will serve 60 days, according to the Associated Press. The rest of the sentence is suspended. Under Alabama law, hard labor is defined as “labor on the public roads, public bridges, and other public works in the county.”

The animal cruelty case came after authorities found two malnourished dogs in a screened-in porch on a property rented by Buggs. The dogs had no access to food or water and one had to be euthanized.

Buggs was also arrested on a charge of domestic violence/burglary after he allegedly broke into the apartment occupied by the mother of his child and dragged her down the stairs. That case has not been resolved.

The 27-year-old Buggs has spent time with the Steelers, Raiders and Lions in addition to the Chiefs.
 
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Some owners ponder possibly foisting some of the Sunday Ticket verdict onto the players
By Mike Florio
Published July 26, 2024 12:10 AM

After the NFL suffered the biggest courtroom loss in the history of American sports, PFT asked the NFL whether the potential $14.1 billion loss would impact the salary cap.

Here was the question: “I have people asking me if this will affect [the] salary cap. My understanding is that the verdict won’t but potential changes to Sunday Ticket resulting from the verdict could. Is that accurate?”

Here was the answer, from a league spokesperson: “Right. Salary cap is based on revenue. It’s premature at this point to know if there will need to be changes.”

That might have changed.

Via Ben Fischer of Sports Business Journal, some owners wonder whether a portion of the verdict can be foisted onto the players.

The argument is simple. The NFL and the NFL Players Association roughly share all revenues on a 50-50 basis. The money from DirecTV for Sunday Ticket and from CBS and Fox for games televised on “free” TV went to the owners and to the players. If the league has to pay back money it has already received from the networks, why shouldn’t the players pay back some of the money they received, too?

The NFLPA was previously made aware of the possibility. It’s unclear whether the union is taking it seriously. I’ve scoured the current CBA for any language that would justify clawing back revenues already earned and distributed to the players, via the cap. I don’t see anything.

Given that the current CBA was negotiated in 2020, five years after the current antitrust litigation was filed, the league could have tried to sneak language into the deal that would support an effort to take back money from the union if the case went south.

Of course, the absence of contractual language doesn’t stop the owners from trying to make the players share in the responsibility for the league’s antitrust violation. On one hand, the players benefited from it. On the other hand, they’re not the ones who did it.

Why should the players be responsible for a business strategy gone wrong that they didn’t devise? Why should they have to suffer the brunt of a worst-case scenario that the owners created by rolling the dice, for 30 years, on the possibility that pricing Sunday Ticket in a way that drove fans to watch the games available in their local markets would blow up in their faces?

Maybe the players would have recognized the potential antitrust violation, and would have argued for a different approach. Maybe the players would have refused to allow the NFL to insist on Sunday Ticket being a “premium” offering that gouged the most avid fans if they had a voice in how the double-dipping was done.

Again, it doesn’t stop the owners from trying to spread the pain to anyone but themselves. They didn’t get that rich by being stupid. If every one of them is potentially going to have to come up with $440 million, they’re smart enough to try to find someone else to foot the bill.
The players always say we're partners, now it's time for them to prove it.
 
His coronary heart health was based on a clean standard cardiac treadmill stress test. Most people don't realize that this test will miss ~30% of coronary heart disease.............only about 1 standard deviation better than a coin flip A nuclear cardiac or nuclear echo treadmill stress test is actually the gold standard for stress testing, and can pick up close to 90%.

RIP, big man!

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Former Houston Oilers DT Doug Smith dies of a heart attack at 64
By Charean Williams
Published July 26, 2024 12:08 AM

Former Houston Oilers defensive tackle Doug Smith died Thursday afternoon from a heart attack, Mark Berman, formerly sports director at KRIV, reports. Smith was 64.

“It was unexpected,” Smith’s wife, Becky, told Berman. “Two months ago, he got a clean bill of health for his heart. He went to his cardiologist and [the tests] came back his heart was good, but you know we know even healthy people can have a heart attack.”

The Oilers selected Smith out of Auburn in the second round of the 1984 draft, but he instead signed with the Birmingham Stallions of the USFL. His deal was a four-year deal reportedly worth $1.2 million with a signing bonus of $350,000.
Smith totaled five sacks and earned All-USFL honors as a rookie, but the league folded before the 1985 season.
He went on to play 101 games with the Oilers, starting 77, in his eight seasons. He totaled one interception and 14 sacks.

Smith’s career was threatened in 1990 when he was shot in the knee while at a gathering of friends and family near his childhood home in Bayboro, North Carolina. Smith, though, continued his career and retired after the 1992 season.
RIP, enjoyed watching Smith control the middle of the line.
 
The last statement of his interview..........................“I could give two fucks what other people say, to be honest”................He's too ignorant to understand that this is exactly what got him into trouble in the first place. :toropalm:

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Deshaun Watson looking to block out “all the bulls—t” in 2024
By Myles Simmons
Published July 26, 2024 01:59 PM

Browns quarterback Deshaun Watson is feeling unburdened entering the 2024 season.
Watson, who has played just 12 games since the end of 2020, told reporters in a Friday press conference that he’s changed his approach entering his third year with Cleveland.

“I think honestly it’s really just blocking out all the bullshit, honestly, outside,” Watson said. “It was tough coming in two years [ago] — different environment, different team, different all that. So you come in and your character has been mentioned this way and then it kind of flips on you and you’re trying to... the biggest thing is you’re trying to get people to like you or improve.

“But now, it’s like, at the end of the day, it’s two years in and you’re going to like me or you have your own opinions and, yeah, it is what it is. So I think blocking out all the noise and focusing on me, and focusing on what I need to do to be the best Deshaun Watson I can be for myself, my family, and my teammates.”

Watson sat out the 2021 season while still on Houston’s roster as he’d requested a trade. Then after Cleveland acquired him,

Watson was suspended for the first 11 games of 2022 after he was found to have violated the league’s personal conduct policy. And in 2023, Watson missed three of Cleveland’s first nine games — and most of a fourth — before suffering a season-ending shoulder injury in Week 10 against Baltimore.

Watson admitted that “of course” it’s been tough to, as he put it, block out the bullshit.

“My character was getting challenged,” Watson said. “And like I said, I know who I am, and a lot of people never really knew my history or knew who I really was so they’re going based off of other people’s opinions and whatever other people are saying. But, yeah, I’m a person that likes to have people like me. And I feel like a lot of people are like that. So, sometimes things in your brain you’ve got to turn and you’ve got to forget it. It is what it is.”

Now that Watson is healthy — he noted that his shoulder is right on track — he’s looking forward to putting the disappointment of 2023 behind him.

“Not just because I couldn’t show exactly what I can do for this organization — I understand that they put a lot into me, but sometimes the injuries you can’t control,” Watson said. “So a lot of things didn’t fall in place the last two years, but praying and taking it one day at a time that everything [does] this year.”

But he says his motivation is internal and not being drawn from naysayers.

Just being the best Deshaun Watson can be for this team so we can get that ultimate goal. And maximizing my potential, my talent — that’s my motivation,” Watson said. “I don’t have anything else that’s going to motivate me.

“I could give two fucks what other people say, to be honest.”
 
Tag agrees to extension.



The Miami Dolphins and quarterback Tua Tagovailoa have agreed to terms on a four-year, $212.4 million contract extension.
I have my doubts that Tua makes it through 3 years of his contract without major setback injury.
 
Lamar Jackson seeing doctors, taking tests for illness
By Charean Williams
Published July 26, 2024 04:20 PM

Lamar Jackson has missed four of the Ravens’ five practices so far, participating in only an hour of Wednesday’s work.

The team announced Friday that the quarterback “continues to undergo further evaluation and receive care from our medical team.”

Coach John Harbaugh addressed Jackson’s illness after practice.

“He’s fighting through an illness, working with our doctors,” Harbaugh said, via video from the team. “He’s doing all the tests, even more tests, to make sure we get everything covered. I’m confident he’ll be back pretty soon. It’s just [an] unpredictable deal. I mean, you guys have been sick before. You know sometimes it’s not easy. So, that’s what we’re dealing with.”

Backup Josh Johnson has taken the first-team snaps in Jackson’s absence.

The reigning league MVP has missed at least one practice in each of his seven seasons with an illness.
 
In NFL history or Packers history?
THE ATHLETIC

Packers’ Jordan Love agrees to 4-year, $220 million extension, becomes highest-paid QB: Sources​

By Dianna Russini and Matt Schneidman
Jul 26, 2024


The Green Bay Packers and quarterback Jordan Love have reached an agreement on a four-year, $220 million contract extension, league sources said Friday. The deal also includes a record $75 million signing bonus and $155 million in new full guarantees, per sources, making Love the highest-paid NFL quarterback.

Love’s new deal puts him in line with Trevor Lawrence and Joe Burrow, all of whom are earning $55 million per year as the top-paid quarterbacks on an annual basis. Those figures come in above quarterbacks Tua Tagovailoa ($53.1 million per year), Jared Goff ($53 million per year), Justin Herbert ($52.5 million per year) and Lamar Jackson ($52 million per year).

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Deshaun Watson is now only the 10th highest paid QB in the NFL. In 2024, Watson will earn a base salary of $46,000,000, while carrying a cap hit of $63,774,678 and a dead cap value of $200,915,000.

Watson better not flake out this season, because next year is not going to be much easier on the Browns.

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Deshaun Watson is now only the 10th highest paid QB in the NFL. In 2024, Watson will earn a base salary of $46,000,000, while carrying a cap hit of $63,774,678 and a dead cap value of $200,915,000.

Watson better not flake out this season, because next year is not going to be much easier on the Browns.

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All of his money is guaranteed though.
 
The last statement of his interview..........................“I could give two fucks what other people say, to be honest”................He's too ignorant to understand that this is exactly what got him into trouble in the first place. :toropalm:

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Deshaun Watson looking to block out “all the bulls—t” in 2024
By Myles Simmons
Published July 26, 2024 01:59 PM

Browns quarterback Deshaun Watson is feeling unburdened entering the 2024 season.
Watson, who has played just 12 games since the end of 2020, told reporters in a Friday press conference that he’s changed his approach entering his third year with Cleveland.

“I think honestly it’s really just blocking out all the bullshit, honestly, outside,” Watson said. “It was tough coming in two years [ago] — different environment, different team, different all that. So you come in and your character has been mentioned this way and then it kind of flips on you and you’re trying to... the biggest thing is you’re trying to get people to like you or improve.

“But now, it’s like, at the end of the day, it’s two years in and you’re going to like me or you have your own opinions and, yeah, it is what it is. So I think blocking out all the noise and focusing on me, and focusing on what I need to do to be the best Deshaun Watson I can be for myself, my family, and my teammates.”

Watson sat out the 2021 season while still on Houston’s roster as he’d requested a trade. Then after Cleveland acquired him,

Watson was suspended for the first 11 games of 2022 after he was found to have violated the league’s personal conduct policy. And in 2023, Watson missed three of Cleveland’s first nine games — and most of a fourth — before suffering a season-ending shoulder injury in Week 10 against Baltimore.

Watson admitted that “of course” it’s been tough to, as he put it, block out the bullshit.

“My character was getting challenged,” Watson said. “And like I said, I know who I am, and a lot of people never really knew my history or knew who I really was so they’re going based off of other people’s opinions and whatever other people are saying. But, yeah, I’m a person that likes to have people like me. And I feel like a lot of people are like that. So, sometimes things in your brain you’ve got to turn and you’ve got to forget it. It is what it is.”

Now that Watson is healthy — he noted that his shoulder is right on track — he’s looking forward to putting the disappointment of 2023 behind him.

“Not just because I couldn’t show exactly what I can do for this organization — I understand that they put a lot into me, but sometimes the injuries you can’t control,” Watson said. “So a lot of things didn’t fall in place the last two years, but praying and taking it one day at a time that everything [does] this year.”

But he says his motivation is internal and not being drawn from naysayers.

Just being the best Deshaun Watson can be for this team so we can get that ultimate goal. And maximizing my potential, my talent — that’s my motivation,” Watson said. “I don’t have anything else that’s going to motivate me.

“I could give two fucks what other people say, to be honest.”
Hopefully the judge in his October case will have the same sentiment and put him behind bars for taking advantage of that mentally challenged lady


Get those fingers up in there.
 
Love's deal is the highest AAV (annual average value). Not the most guaranteed money.


The last franchise QB to sign will always have the biggest AAV deal, regardless of the agent.
Four years vs. five became a key factor in Tua Tagovailoa, Jordan Love deals
By Mike Florio
Published July 27, 2024 10:16 AM

When it comes to evaluating contracts, money becomes a major factor. Duration is becoming more important, too.
Teams prefer longer-term contracts, giving them the benefit of controlling a player’s rights (if they choose to do so) well beyond the guaranteed years of the deal, typically one or two or three seasons.

For players with one year left on their contracts, teams usually want a five-year extension, giving them six years of dibs. It delays the moment at which the player would be able to get to market and/or force an extension. For both Dolphins quarterback Tua Tagovailoa and Packers quarterback Jordan Love, the goal for the players was to keep the extension to four years.

Both succeeded. Aiding the effort was the fact that they were represented by the same firm, Athletes First. On behalf of Tua and Love, the agency maximized the bargaining power and leverage, getting each team to agree to four years, not five, as the number of new years.

The agents surely coordinated the approach. They might have told the Dolphins that the Packers are doing four years with Love, and they could have told the Packers that the Dolphins are doing four years with Tua. If that’s how it went, it worked.
It’s another reason why agents should work together when negotiating deals — even when those agents work for different firms. It’s about setting aside competition and ego and getting the best outcome for the players.

Teams aren’t allowed to collude when it comes to contracts, but they often do. Players are, but they usually don’t. The Love and Tua deals show how working together can help both players, getting both of them four-year extensions and, in turn, getting both to the market before turning 31.
 
When it comes to evaluating contracts, money becomes a major factor. Duration is becoming more important, too.
Teams prefer longer-term contracts, giving them the benefit of controlling a player’s rights (if they choose to do so) well beyond the guaranteed years of the deal, typically one or two or three seasons.
Yes, one less year on the contract. But also $30 -$40 million less in guaranteed $$$ than Trevor Lawrence. So while Tua and Love may get to the next renegotiation a year quicker, they are taking the risk at guaranteed money. With Tua's injury history, he should have taken the 5 year deal and the extra cash that goes with it.
 
Packers QB Jordan Love now highest paid quarterback in NFL history with $220 million deal, record $75 million signing bonus with $160.3 million guaranteed.
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The boy good
 
Some really strange rules with the new kickoff!
The new kickoff format was approved for just the 2024 season and it's very much still in the developmental phase. The idea is to eliminate the running start that has caused injuries by placing the kicking and returning teams 5 yards apart, and increase returns with the addition of a landing zone from the 20-yard line to the goal line, where kicks must be returned.
Any kick that fails to reach the landing zone will be placed on the receiving team's 40-yard line.

If a player catches the ball with one foot in bounds and one out of bounds, the ball is ruled out of bounds and the receiving team gets possession at its own 40-yard line. Similarly, if a player catches the kick with one foot inside the 20-yard line and the other outside it, the ball will be ruled outside the landing zone and the receiving team will take it at the 40.
 
Get up to speed on the Sunday Ticket litigation
By Mike Florio
Published July 28, 2024 11:16 AM

When I was a kid, I’d read the sports page every morning while munching through a bowl of Frosted Flakes before they got too damn soggy. From time to time, I’d look at the stuff in the rest of the newspaper.

And then I’d stop.

There was always something happening that had been happening for a while. The latest story on the subject presumed a basic level of understanding of the situation. If you didn’t have it, you were SOL.

For some of you who have returned to football after a summer of doing other stuff, you’re seeing items about the Sunday Ticket lawsuit. You might not understand what it’s all about. For that reason, here’s a summary of what the case is about, what has happened, what comes next, and how you can find out more about it.

The case dates back to 2015. It’s a combination of a class action brought by commercial establishments and a class action on behalf of more than 2.4 million residential customers of Sunday Ticket. The combined classes cover 2011 through 2022.
Anyone who purchased Sunday Ticket during that period should check out this website, and maybe bookmark it.

The claims are pretty simple. Since 1961, the NFL has had the ability to sell TV rights as a league to free, over-the-air networks, thanks to an antitrust exemption given to it by Congress. That exemption, as highlighted by testimony from former Commissioner Pete Rozelle to Congress at the time, was never intended to apply to “pay” TV.

When the NFL sold TV rights to cable networks for the first time in the late 1980s (a half-season of Sunday nights on ESPN), no one pushed the antitrust issue. When the NFL sold the out-of-market package to DirecTV in 1994, the potential antitrust violation was hiding in plain sight.

The harm, as alleged and proven in this case, came from the NFL setting a price for Sunday Ticket that nudged millions who would have bought it toward the games available on their local CBS and Fox affiliates. This allowed the NFL to find a sweet spot, where it could get billions from DirecTV (thanks to the fans who happily paid the inflated price) and billions from CBS and Fox (who reluctantly tolerated the lost ratings points from Sunday Ticket).

After nine years of litigation, which included the original district-court judge throwing the case out and an appeals court resurrecting it, the trial started in June. Even though the worst-case scenario for the NFL was flagged before the trial began as $21 billion, the coverage was sparse and lackluster. Niche outlets sporadically had articles. The AP would push a story from time to time that painted with a broad but incomplete brush. There was no one constantly in the courtroom, observing the trial and sending out daily items about how things were going.

We tried to sound the alarm that something big could be coming. Few listened. Those who did were inclined to dismiss the concerns, likely due to the fact that so few were saying, “Hey, the NFL could lose a lot of money here.”

Then came the verdict: $4.7 billion. If/when entered as an official judgment, it will triple automatically to $14.1 billion.
The NFL will continue to fight; there’s too much money at stake. Based on things the judge said during the trial, the NFL might have a chance to get the verdict thrown out. And if the verdict becomes an official judgment, the NFL will appeal the outcome as far as it can.

Given that the trial was covered so sloppily, we purchased the full, 2,506-page transcript earlier this month. I’ve been going through it, one day at a time.

If you’re interested in the coverage that should have been generated by someone/anyone during the case, here are the links to the first eight days of trial:

Day 1 (jury selection).
Day 2 (opening statements).
Day 2-3 (testimony from Steve Bornstein, former NFL Media chief).
Day 3 (testimony from plaintiff Robert Lipincott, a displaced Saints fan).
Day 4 (testimony from Fox executive Larry Jones).
Day 5-6 (testimony from Dr. Daniel Rascher on damages).
Day 6 (the judge vents frustrations with the plaintiffs’ lawyers).
Day 6 (testimony from Brian Rolapp, current NFL Media chief).
Day 7 (testimony from dueling expert witnesses on damages).
Day 8 (testimony from Roger Goodell).

I’ve still got nearly 1,000 pages left in the transcript. So there’s more to come.

And there’s more to come in court. On Wednesday, the judge will hear arguments on the NFL’s motion for judgment as a matter of law.

Eventually, the appeals will happen. Given that $14.1 billion is on the line, it will go all the way to the U.S. Supreme Court.

Multiple additional years will transpire before it’s done.

Along the way, the question is whether the NFL will change the pricing structure of Sunday Ticket to avoid further liability. Or whether it will just get rid of Sunday Ticket altogether.

And whether and to what extent the owners will try to foist some of the $14.1 billion onto others. Starting with the players.

We’ll continue to cover the case, and summarize the transcript, at our dedicated page with all Sunday Ticket stories. For those who purchased Sunday Ticket from 2011 through 2022, a not-small check could eventually be coming. For those who want to keep buying it, there’s a chance it will become a lot easier and cheaper to get.

Win or lose, here’s the inescapable truth. The NFL exploited its most zealous fans to pay far more than they should have had to pay to watch out-of-market games. “Choice” came at a cost high enough to get most displaced fans to watch whichever games they could get in their local markets, which allowed the NFL to double dip in the billion-dollar buckets presented to them by DirectTV and CBS/Fox.
 
Too many young NFL players seem to be diagnosed with "unexplained" blood clots.

I can’t remember but were athletes made to get vaccinated?

Was it AstraZeneca or J&J vaccine that could cause blood clots? Or was it just the Covid-19 illness that caused blood clots?

I seem to remember reading something somewhere about it.
 
I can’t remember but were athletes made to get vaccinated?

Was it AstraZeneca or J&J vaccine that could cause blood clots? Or was it just the Covid-19 illness that caused blood clots?

I seem to remember reading something somewhere about it.
I was wondering if anyone would make this association. J&J was the first to admit the association back in 2021.................in March of this year in court, AstraZeneca finally admitted that their vaccine was known to cause this condition by triggering an autoimmune reaction. Classically, this would occur anywhere from 4 to 40 days following the vaccinations. These vaccines have been removed from the US market.

The MRNA vaccines (Moderna and Pfizer) emboli) have now also been reported to cause blood clots by the same above mechanism. But another more concerning mechanism is they cause inflammation of the heart (myocarditis) which commonly can cause formation of blood clots in the heart that then travel to the lungs (pulmonary emboli). This phenomenon has been occurring most commonly in otherwise healthy young males.
 
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