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JWLCASPER said:
Also of note here, Commanders GM Mayhew was hired from where? San Francisco. It still is who you know when the time comes to make moves. Everyone has some form of working relationship, but some executives are closer than others.
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Yep, I've noticed some teams are more amicable working with each other on trades than others. The Texans and Cards seem to be able to make deals with each other as an example.

BTW, Ezra Cleveland was traded to the Jags for a 6th.

I would've figured out a way to get him. If that meant trading Mills then sign me up for that. I know they traded for Dobbs.
 
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steelbtexan said:
Yep, I've noticed some teams are more amicable working with each other on trades than others. The Texans and Cards seem to be able to make deals with each other as an example.

BTW, Ezra Cleveland was traded to the Jags for a 6th.

I would've figured out a way to get him. If that meant trading Mills then sign me up for that. I know they traded for Dobbs.
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Cannot comment on Keim and the deals BOb consummated with him, but there should be no surprise Nick C and Arizona got a deal done on draft day.

The new Arizona GM - Monti Ossenfort. History (Prior to Tennessee, he had a 14-year run with the Patriots (2006-19) and worked his way up from Area Scout to Director of College Scouting. During those 14 seasons, New England won an NFL-high 199 games in the regular season, made 13 playoff appearances, played in 10 AFC Championship games and won three Super Bowls XLIX, LI, LIII).

Nick - (In 2001, Caserio was hired by the New England Patriots as a personnel assistant. Caserio moved to the scouting department as an area scout in 2003. In 2004, Caserio was promoted to the Patriots' director of pro personnel, a position he served until 2006. In 2008 Caserio returned to the personnel department as the Patriots' director of player personnel. He remained in that position through the 2020 season.[2]

14 Year overlap in New England. That draft day trade was discussed way before draft day.
 
Texansballer74 said:
www.espn.com

Sources: Raiders fired HC Josh McDaniels and GM Dave Ziegler - ESPN

Read the breaking news story from the ESPN contributor Adam Schefter
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Raiders fire coach Josh McDaniels, GM David Ziegler - ESPN Video

Las Vegas Raiders announce they have fired head coach Josh McDaniels and general manager David Ziegler.
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I really thought he'd do much better his 2nd time around. I really wanted him to be our coach.

Good thing Hannah isn't listening to me.
 
Texansballer74 said:
www.espn.com

Sources: Raiders fired HC Josh McDaniels and GM Dave Ziegler - ESPN

Read the breaking news story from the ESPN contributor Adam Schefter
www.espn.com www.espn.com

www.espn.com

Raiders fire coach Josh McDaniels, GM David Ziegler - ESPN Video

Las Vegas Raiders announce they have fired head coach Josh McDaniels and general manager David Ziegler.
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TheRealJoker said:
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Drastic measures... is it because they are 3-5?

I mean... we're 3-4.
 
thunderkyss said:
Drastic measures... is it because they are 3-5?

I mean... we're 3-4.
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It's because of the product on the field. There's not one thing the Raiders could hang their hat on, offensively. Signing Jimmy G, Signing Chandler Jones, trading for Adams. The owner was sold on a team ready to win, now. And they're in a bigger hole than when Gruden left. What's one positive thing the Raiders have done under McDaniels?

On the other hand, you have DeMeco and the Texans with a young team pointing up. I don't even know how you could type a question such as this in that context.
 
The Raiders also fired offensive coordinator Mick Lombardi, sources told ESPN's Adam Schefter on Wednesday. Quarterbacks coach Bo Hardegree will be promoted to offensive coordinator and take over offensive playcalling, which had been handled by McDaniels, sources told ESPN, confirming an NFL Network report.
 
Lucky said:
I don't even know how you could type a question such as this in that context.
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Well, they got JimmyG who @steelBtexans said was good in the EP offense. They have talent at the skill positions which steelBtexans also said is a must.

I just don't see how they can pull the plug so soon, the season is just starting & 3-5 isn't unsurmountable with talent like that.

Must be something else going on. :tinfoil:
 
Jaylen Warren on $48K fines: It sucks, but I don’t let it alter my play
By Michael David Smith
Published November 1, 2023 12:52 PM

Steelers running back Jaylen Warren has racked up two of the biggest fines of this NFL season, for two hits that weren’t flagged on the field. Warren isn’t happy about that but also isn’t planning to change how he plays.

“I mean, it sucks because that’s so much money,” Warren said, via ESPN. “But I don’t let it alter my play. If . . . I don’t know if I should say this, but if I was in the same situation, I’m still doing what I’m going to do. It’s what got me on the team.”

Warren probably shouldn’t say that, because the NFL fines players with the expectations that they’re going to change the way they play. If fines don’t work, suspensions are the next step.

And Warren is clearly on notice from the league’s disciplinary office that they have their eyes on him.

Warren said he was also fined twice last year and hasn’t changed his style of play.

“I got two fines last year, and I’m still doing it this year,” Warren said. “OK. And I mean, it’s kind of hard. I don’t know how I’m supposed to hit dudes that’s like 350 pounds and 2 feet taller than me. I can’t stand my ground and kind of punch ‘em. They’re going to run me over. So I try to enforce the hitting, again to the point where it’s costing me.”

Warren also questioned why he, as a player who entered the NFL last year as an undrafted rookie on a league-minimum contract, is getting fined the same as players like teammate T.J. Watt, who has a four-year, $112 million contract.

“I was talking to one of the coaches and they’re saying that same thing,” Warren said. “I get fined the same that dudes like T.J. would get fined. I get fined the same amount of money.”

The NFL does allow players to appeal the size of their fines as excessive as a proportion of his game check, and in Warren’s case his two fines represented approximately a full game check each. Relative to what he gets paid, Warren is getting fined like no one else in the NFL.
 
Lucky said:
It's because of the product on the field. There's not one thing the Raiders could hang their hat on, offensively. Signing Jimmy G, Signing Chandler Jones, trading for Adams. The owner was sold on a team ready to win, now. And they're in a bigger hole than when Gruden left. What's one positive thing the Raiders have done under McDaniels?

On the other hand, you have DeMeco and the Texans with a young team pointing up. I don't even know how you could type a question such as this in that context.
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The point is the Texans are underperforming as expected against a cream puff schedule. Of course as they add weapons things should improve.
 
thunderkyss said:
Well, they got JimmyG who @steelBtexans said was good in the EP offense. They have talent at the skill positions which steelBtexans also said is a must.

I just don't see how they can pull the plug so soon, the season is just starting & 3-5 isn't unsurmountable with talent like that.

Must be something else going on. :tinfoil:
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I didn't want any part of Jimmy G after he hurt his foot. He might make a decent Schaub like backup. I learned from the Schaub thing don't trust QB's with hurt feet to be a long time starter.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
Jaylen Warren on $48K fines: It sucks, but I don’t let it alter my play
By Michael David Smith
Published November 1, 2023 12:52 PM

Steelers running back Jaylen Warren has racked up two of the biggest fines of this NFL season, for two hits that weren’t flagged on the field. Warren isn’t happy about that but also isn’t planning to change how he plays.

“I mean, it sucks because that’s so much money,” Warren said, via ESPN. “But I don’t let it alter my play. If . . . I don’t know if I should say this, but if I was in the same situation, I’m still doing what I’m going to do. It’s what got me on the team.”

Warren probably shouldn’t say that, because the NFL fines players with the expectations that they’re going to change the way they play. If fines don’t work, suspensions are the next step.

And Warren is clearly on notice from the league’s disciplinary office that they have their eyes on him.

Warren said he was also fined twice last year and hasn’t changed his style of play.

“I got two fines last year, and I’m still doing it this year,” Warren said. “OK. And I mean, it’s kind of hard. I don’t know how I’m supposed to hit dudes that’s like 350 pounds and 2 feet taller than me. I can’t stand my ground and kind of punch ‘em. They’re going to run me over. So I try to enforce the hitting, again to the point where it’s costing me.”

Warren also questioned why he, as a player who entered the NFL last year as an undrafted rookie on a league-minimum contract, is getting fined the same as players like teammate T.J. Watt, who has a four-year, $112 million contract.

“I was talking to one of the coaches and they’re saying that same thing,” Warren said. “I get fined the same that dudes like T.J. would get fined. I get fined the same amount of money.”

The NFL does allow players to appeal the size of their fines as excessive as a proportion of his game check, and in Warren’s case his two fines represented approximately a full game check each. Relative to what he gets paid, Warren is getting fined like no one else in the NFL.
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Just another reason to not watch God'ells NFL. They don't like hitting.
 
Touchbacks way up, kickoff returns way down with new fair catch rule
By Michael David Smith
Published November 1, 2023 03:35 PM

The new fair catch rule is having an impact, as kickoff returns are way down this season.

Through Week Eight, there have been 1,217 kickoffs this NFL season and 939, or 77.2 percent, went for touchbacks. Only 231, or 18.9 percent, have been returned.

That’s a dramatic departure from last season, when 59.7 percent of kickoffs were touchbacks and 37.5 percent were returned.

The NFL implemented the new rule that makes it a touchback any time a returner fair catches the kickoff inside the 25-yard line in an attempt to reduce the number of kickoff returns and therefore the number of high-speed collisions causing injuries.

But many fans find kickoff returns exciting and touchbacks boring, and there’s a question about whether the NFL is making the product it puts on the field less exciting — and if the ultimate result will be a game without kickoffs at all.
 
thunderkyss said:
Well, they got JimmyG who @steelBtexans said was good in the EP offense. They have talent at the skill positions which steelBtexans also said is a must.

I just don't see how they can pull the plug so soon, the season is just starting & 3-5 isn't unsurmountable with talent like that.

Must be something else going on. :tinfoil:
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The level of QB insecurity there is enough to get them sacked imo. Tied up $25 million a year hedging against the rookie QB they’ve picked not developing, when other teams are more than happy to spend that money putting a team around the rookie to give the best chance.
To then resort to Hoyer instead of giving the rookie his chance means they aren’t confident in the job they’ve done of coaching up O’Connel.
So are you going to go back to the well next offseason, potentially have to trade up to target a top QB prospect? Or are you going to agree to differ and move on and see what you’ve got in O’Connell?

Because at this point, the easiest way to a starting QB is to test that rookie out and if that means he develops then great and if it means a top 5 pick in the draft to replace him then also a good outcome.

If coach wants to ride Brian Hoyer in the hopes of a ~.500 record and middling slot in the draft then you are moving nowhere fast.

Funny how McDaniels doesn’t even manage to get his feet under the table anywhere he goes, terrible decisions at QB have blighted him as a HC.
 
welsh texan said:
The level of QB insecurity there is enough to get them sacked imo. Tied up $25 million a year hedging against the rookie QB they’ve picked not developing, when other teams are more than happy to spend that money putting a team around the rookie to give the best chance.
To then resort to Hoyer instead of giving the rookie his chance means they aren’t confident in the job they’ve done of coaching up O’Connel.
So are you going to go back to the well next offseason, potentially have to trade up to target a top QB prospect? Or are you going to agree to differ and move on and see what you’ve got in O’Connell?

Because at this point, the easiest way to a starting QB is to test that rookie out and if that means he develops then great and if it means a top 5 pick in the draft to replace him then also a good outcome.

If coach wants to ride Brian Hoyer in the hopes of a ~.500 record and middling slot in the draft then you are moving nowhere fast.

Funny how McDaniels doesn’t even manage to get his feet under the table anywhere he goes, terrible decisions at QB have blighted him as a HC.
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Aidan O'Connell has already been named the starter for their next game
 
thunderkyss said:
Well, they got JimmyG who @steelBtexans said was good in the EP offense.
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JimmyG is offensive to any offense, right now. A bad signing that I'm glad the Texans stayed away from.
steelbtexan said:
The point is the Texans are underperforming as expected against a cream puff schedule. Of course as they add weapons things should improve.
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That wasn't @thunderkyss point at all. And while the Texans underperformed against a poor team in Carolina, the first 6 games came against teams with a combined 27-20 record (.574). Not in anyway cream puff.
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Makes no damng sense, he had a career day against the Texans.
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This is a coach claiming "I don't have a QB" in order to take pressure off himself.
 
Texian said:
In 2021 Raiders made the playoffs with an interim HC and Derek Carr. In 2022 Raiders were 7 - 10. In 2023 the team is worse than the 2022 team.
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So, they got rid of Carr, piss off Davante Adams who wanted to play with Carr and then they sign injury prone Garoppolo and old Brian Hoyer. What could go wrong? I'm surprised McDaniels didn't try to sign Brady.

Eventually these teams will find out that the Patriots Way without Belichick and Brady is a fool's errand. What you get is bad personnel moves and mediocre football.
 
Earl34 said:
Eventually these teams will find out that the Patriots Way without Belichick and Brady is a fool's errand. What you get is bad personnel moves and mediocre football.
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The Patriots may be finding that Belichick’s way without Brady is a fools errand, also. I wonder how long of a leash he’s got right now, because his team isn’t playing great and he doesn’t seem to be able to develop a QB in his system, something that’s surprising given the long line of Brady understudies who looked great in Boston in small opportunities and made big moves to start elsewhere, none of those went on to be all that good, either.
 
Earl34 said:
So, they got rid of Carr, piss off Davante Adams who wanted to play with Carr and then they sign injury prone Garoppolo and old Brian Hoyer. What could go wrong? I'm surprised McDaniels didn't try to sign Brady.

Eventually these teams will find out that the Patriots Way without Belichick and Brady is a fool's errand. What you get is bad personnel moves and mediocre football.
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I have been trying to tell people exactly this for years. As @Lucky pointed out, Belichick without Brady is < .500 as an HC. That is damning. I think the NFL is finally getting the message.
 
Texian said:
I have been trying to tell people exactly this for years. As @Lucky pointed out, Belichick without Brady is < .500 as an HC. That is damning. I think the NFL is finally getting the message.
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Belichick should understand the difference between his input and Brady's input in the Patriots success. Now would be a great time to step away from the game. Stay much longer and the Patriots would be forced to fire him....that shouldn't be the way he exits.
 
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OptimisticTexan said:
Belichick should understand the difference between his input and Brady's input in the Patriots success. Now would be a great time to step away from the game. Stay much longer and the Patriots would be forced to fire him....that shouldn't be the way he exits.
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I doubt he leaves, by many accounts Belichick is set on becoming the all-time WINS leader.
 
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