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JB said:
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Ex-Dallas RB Garrison, who also did rodeos, dies

Walt Garrison, who led the Big Eight in rushing as an Oklahoma State Cowboy, won a Super Bowl with the Dallas Cowboys, and in the NFL offseason competed as a rodeo cowboy, has died. He was 79.
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Maybe my first football hero... may he rest in peace
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One of the toughest players I've seen in my lifetime.

RIP Walt.

Just a pinch between your cheek and gum.
 
New fair catch rule changes the strategy on applying penalties to two-point conversions
By Michael David Smith
Published October 14, 2023 12:30 PM

The NFL’s new rule giving the receiving team the ball on any fair catch of a kickoff inside the 25-yard line has had an unintended consequence: Encouraging two-point conversions.

The rule, which was intended to reduce the number of returned kickoffs and therefore the number of injuries on high-speed collisions, has also resulted in a different strategy when the defense commits a penalty on a touchdown play that the offense can choose to apply either to the kickoff or the conversion.

In the past, teams often chose to apply the penalty on the ensuing kickoff, and then kick the ball high and short of the goal line, in the hopes of pinning the kickoff returner deep in his own territory. But with the new rule, a kickoff returner in that situation would just signal for a fair catch and take the ball at the 25.

So now teams are applying the penalty half the distance to the goal line on the conversion, and going for two.

For example, in last week’s game against the Bills, Jaguars quarterback Trevor Lawrence was roughed while throwing a touchdown pass. The Jaguars could have applied the 15-yard penalty to the kickoff and kicked from the 50-yard line. Instead, they applied the penalty half the distance to the conversion, lined up their offense on the 1-yard line, and successfully got two points to take an 8-0 lead.

Michael Lopez of the NFL’s Data & Analytics department notes that there have already been 11 two-point conversions from the 1-yard line this season. At the same point last season, there had only been two two-point conversion attempts from the 1-yard line.

That’s not what the rule was designed to do, but it’s been a byproduct, and one that adds a little excitement by adding some two-point conversions.
 
I hate the kickoff rules. Injury is an unfortunate byproduct of the sport. It would be like saying to boxers you can no longer hit a guy above shoulder level. Guys get pummeled. I agree in general with doing the obvious things to improve player safety, but not at the expense of a core part of the game, and one that can produce exciting game changing plays like a kickoff return can. Booooo!
 
Screwing around with the Injury Report will have the bookies upset........

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The Jets announced today that CB Sauce Gardner has been ruled out with a concussion. He had previously been listed as questionable with an illness. There has been no explanation of when he suffered the concussion or why it was previously listed as an illness.

The Jets other starting CB DJ Reed is out for Sunday. Reed also suffered a concussion.
 
Week 5 fines, covering 18 teams, 26 players, and 1.35 percent of all plays:

Falcons, Drew Dalman, unnecessary roughness, $6,301.

Bills, A.J. Epenesa, a hit on a quarterback, $21,855.

Bills, Tyler Matakevich, unnecessary roughness, $10,181.

Bills, Ed Oliver, unsportsmanlike conduct, $13,659.

Bills, Ed Oliver (second fine), a hit on a quarterback, $16,391.

Panthers, Vonn Bell, unnecessary roughness, $16,391.

Cowboys, Jayron Kearse, unsportsmanlike conduct, $10,927.

Cowboys, Leighton Vander Esch, unnecessary roughness, $18,219.

Cowboys, Donovan Wilson, unnecessary roughness, $10,927.

Cowboys, Donovan Wilson (second fine), unnecessary roughness, $16,391.

Broncos, Garett Bolles, unnecessary roughness, $10,927.

Lions, Alex Anzalone, a hit on a quarterback, $13,922.

Lions, Aidan Hutchinson, unnecessary roughness, $11,473.

Texans, Blake Cashman, unnecessary roughness, $8,848.

Colts, Zack Moss, unsportsmanlike conduct, $6,330.

Jaguars, Jeremiah Ledbetter, a hit on a quarterback, $5,611.

Chiefs, L’Jarius Sneed, unsportsmanlike conduct, $13,659.

Raiders, Marcus Peters, unnecessary roughness, $13,378.

Rams, Derion Kendrick, unnecessary roughness, $5,017.

Dolphins, Tyreek Hill, unsportsmanlike conduct, $10,927.

Patriots, Kyle Dugger, unnecessary roughness, $20,266.

Patriots, Matt Slater, unnecessary roughness, $14,819.

Saints, Marshon Lattimore, unnecessary roughness, $16,391.

Eagles, Reed Blankenship, unnecessary roughness, $4,843.

Eagles, Dallas Goedert, unnecessary roughness, $11,473.

Steelers, T.J. Watt, unnecessary roughness, $11,473.

Steelers, T.J. Watt (second fine), unsportsmanlike conduct, $13,659.

49ers, Aaron Banks, unnecessary roughness, $10,440.

49ers, George Kittle, unsportsmanlike conduct, $13,659.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
Week 5 fines, covering 18 teams, 26 players, and 1.35 percent of all plays:

Falcons, Drew Dalman, unnecessary roughness, $6,301.

Bills, A.J. Epenesa, a hit on a quarterback, $21,855.

Bills, Tyler Matakevich, unnecessary roughness, $10,181.

Bills, Ed Oliver, unsportsmanlike conduct, $13,659.

Bills, Ed Oliver (second fine), a hit on a quarterback, $16,391.

Panthers, Vonn Bell, unnecessary roughness, $16,391.

Cowboys, Jayron Kearse, unsportsmanlike conduct, $10,927.

Cowboys, Leighton Vander Esch, unnecessary roughness, $18,219.

Cowboys, Donovan Wilson, unnecessary roughness, $10,927.

Cowboys, Donovan Wilson (second fine), unnecessary roughness, $16,391.

Broncos, Garett Bolles, unnecessary roughness, $10,927.

Lions, Alex Anzalone, a hit on a quarterback, $13,922.

Lions, Aidan Hutchinson, unnecessary roughness, $11,473.

Texans, Blake Cashman, unnecessary roughness, $8,848.

Colts, Zack Moss, unsportsmanlike conduct, $6,330.

Jaguars, Jeremiah Ledbetter, a hit on a quarterback, $5,611.

Chiefs, L’Jarius Sneed, unsportsmanlike conduct, $13,659.

Raiders, Marcus Peters, unnecessary roughness, $13,378.

Rams, Derion Kendrick, unnecessary roughness, $5,017.

Dolphins, Tyreek Hill, unsportsmanlike conduct, $10,927.

Patriots, Kyle Dugger, unnecessary roughness, $20,266.

Patriots, Matt Slater, unnecessary roughness, $14,819.

Saints, Marshon Lattimore, unnecessary roughness, $16,391.

Eagles, Reed Blankenship, unnecessary roughness, $4,843.

Eagles, Dallas Goedert, unnecessary roughness, $11,473.

Steelers, T.J. Watt, unnecessary roughness, $11,473.

Steelers, T.J. Watt (second fine), unsportsmanlike conduct, $13,659.

49ers, Aaron Banks, unnecessary roughness, $10,440.

49ers, George Kittle, unsportsmanlike conduct, $13,659.
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Kittle’s was the best and I love the cowboys!

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Porky said:
I hate the kickoff rules. Injury is an unfortunate byproduct of the sport. It would be like saying to boxers you can no longer hit a guy above shoulder level. Guys get pummeled. I agree in general with doing the obvious things to improve player safety, but not at the expense of a core part of the game, and one that can produce exciting game changing plays like a kickoff return can. Booooo!
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This is God'ells NFL.

I cant figure out if it's more WWE or Arena Football that the NFL's turning into.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
Colts Richardson has had Grade III A/C shoulder separation. It is reported that he will be out for 3 weeks. It seems that anything less than 5-6 weeks is not likely. Richardson is going to have a 2nd opinion by a shoulder expert. Also, further shoulder damage must also be carefully ruled out.............~20% of these high grade A/C tears are associated with intraarticular pathology with most of these being superior labrum anterior posterior (SLAP) lesions (lesions that are missed in 20-25% on MRI). The only gold standard to evaluate this is via shoulder arthroscopy. If either his Grade III tear or labrum is deemed to be best treated with surgery, he could expect a 3-6 month recovery.
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Colts QB Richardson's A-C separation appears to have been underestimated in Grade. His rehab is not going well. It is now more likely that his injury is > than only a Grade III and will require surgery and an end to his rookie season.
 
Wolf said:
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CBS Sports injury expert believes Aaron Rodgers could be back by December

CBS Sports injury expert Marty Jaramillo believes Aaron Rodgers could be back on the field by December
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I trust @CloakNNNdagger view on this than some story on internet
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From what I've been able to discover, Rodgers' doctor performed an Achilles repair with what is called a SpeedBridge reinforcement...........a technique called "new," but one that has actually been arounds for ~8 years. This type of repair essentially is performed to take most of the tension off of the actual transection site...........and thus allows for some semblance of quicker return. Still it is expected that return should occur ~6-12 months.


In order not to lose less muscle during his rehab, he is incorporating the blood flow restriction band technique. He is going all out to return this season. Anyone can comeback to play at any time. The problem for Rodgers if he tries to do this is that although he is a QB and hasif the advantage of a strong arm and doesn't have to use his legs as much as other positions........ if he does choose to return before the very end of the season, it will be an ego thing and he will likely not look anything like Aaron Rodgers. In addition trying to come back too soon, he will be at risk of rerupture, stretching/lengthening the repair (which even a secondary retightening surgery will almost always be unsuccessful), and compensatory lower limb injury (including ~ 10% rupture of his contralateral Achilles). If he beats the projected time for return, he risks losing much more in the long run.
 
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This is what Duane Brown, while a Texan, got caught up with.

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From a 2016 article>

Report: Contaminated meat led to positive PED test for Duane Brown last year

Published May 3, 2016 02:13 PM

The NFLPA sent a memo to players this week warning them to be cautious about eating meat in Mexico and China because some of it is contaminated by Clenbuterol, which is a banned substance under the league’s performance-enhancing drug policy.

It appears that a trip to Mexico by Texans tackle Duane Brown last year uncovered the issue. Dan Graziano and Tania Ganguli of ESPN.com report that Brown, who was suspended four games for a PED violation in 2010, tested positive last November after returning from a bye-week vacation with his wife. He faced a 10-game suspension as a repeat offender.

Brown appealed with the help of the NFLPA and receipts from meals showing he ate 10 burgers and two steaks while in Mexico. He was cleared in April of this year and his experience is one that the union would like other players to avoid.

The Texans and Raiders will be playing a game in Mexico City during the 2016 season. One would imagine that Brown will be laying off the beef during that visit.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
This is what Duane Brown, while a Texan, got caught up with.

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https://twitter.com/x/status/1714400332011200528


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From a 2016 article>

Report: Contaminated meat led to positive PED test for Duane Brown last year

Published May 3, 2016 02:13 PM

The NFLPA sent a memo to players this week warning them to be cautious about eating meat in Mexico and China because some of it is contaminated by Clenbuterol, which is a banned substance under the league’s performance-enhancing drug policy.

It appears that a trip to Mexico by Texans tackle Duane Brown last year uncovered the issue. Dan Graziano and Tania Ganguli of ESPN.com report that Brown, who was suspended four games for a PED violation in 2010, tested positive last November after returning from a bye-week vacation with his wife. He faced a 10-game suspension as a repeat offender.

Brown appealed with the help of the NFLPA and receipts from meals showing he ate 10 burgers and two steaks while in Mexico. He was cleared in April of this year and his experience is one that the union would like other players to avoid.

The Texans and Raiders will be playing a game in Mexico City during the 2016 season. One would imagine that Brown will be laying off the beef during that visit.
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Shouldn't be no "got caught up with"

Players should report when they were in Mexico or China & drug tests should be administered accordingly. There should be a reasonable expectation of how much of a substance would be in your system. If they calculate that Duane Brown must have ate three tons of Fajitas in a 4 day period...

I understand players are going to try to game the system. Then you should build a better system. If your system suspends players for eating a few tacos a week ago, something is wrong with your system & the player (the game) shouldn't be affected by it.
 
leebigeztx said:
It's different. They've had nfl players play against some of the best flag football teams and lost. The nfl physicality is what sets it apart and it doesn't exist in flag football
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That's fair, and I'd considered it when this thing was announced. And I've looked up established flag teams taking on NFL caliber players and the only thing I've found is a tourney where the established teams won against some mid-level guys who were already out of the league. Which is honestly a legit feather in their cap on it's own.

But we're talking about the prospect of current NFL studs who would gather together for a period of time (a camp) to gel and work on establishing themselves for something as big as the olympics. I think if you take that quality of dudes who are taking it completely serious and give them the time together to really put in the work together and not a country on the planet will come close.

I'm just not seeing some Belgian or Argentinian dudes running with Tyreek Hill or Justin Jefferson or getting open consistently against Trevon Diggs or Jalen Ramsey.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
Colts QB Richardson's A-C separation appears to have been underestimated in Grade. His rehab is not going well. It is now more likely that his injury is > than only a Grade III and will require surgery and an end to his rookie season.
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Colts Richardson is officially out for the season for A-C shoulder separation. The typical Grade III A-C injury is a Grade III A................which demonstrates vertical instability without horizontal instability. Richardson has a worse separation..............a Grade III B injury.......................which demonstrates both vertical and horizontal instability..............an injury that cannot avoid surgery in a QB's throwing shoulder.
 
steelbtexan said:
Has he been hanging out with AB?
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Him and his brother Jon Jones have had a history of making bad decisions/substance abuse. The UFC actively tries to keep Jon Jones away from Vegas because he is prone to making bad decisions anytime he is there.

Not sure what the Raiders were thinking signing Chandler to a big contract and having him live in Vegas.

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Dana White Reacts To Jon Jones Drinking In Las Vegas: ‘More Than 12 hours In Vegas Is Usually Not A Good Idea For Jon’

UFC’s president didn’t seem too concerned that his oft-troubled Heavyweight champion was spotted drinking shots in Las Vegas this weekend, but he wants to know why "Bones" was in "Sin City" for more than 12 hours.
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Listen, he’s a grown man. He can do whatever the hell he wants,” White told MMAMania.com. “I always say this, more than 12 hours in Vegas is usually probably not a good idea for Jon. But yeah, I don’t know. Listen, Jon has done very well for himself. He’s, he’s been through a lot of sh-t. He’s made it through. I don’t know whose idea it was to keep Jon here for days. Hunter [Campbell], was that your idea? Well, here we are. I’ll plead the fifth on that, sir.”
 
Number19 said:
This rule would seriously impair, or limit, tacking a runner from behind. A runner is "defenseless".

So how are you suppose to bring down a runner from behind. The answer is, flags.

Is the league slowly moving toward flag football?
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That tackle is actually dangerous, The amount of leg injuries it’s caused is high. It’s been banned in rugby for the past year or two I believe.
 
Number19 said:
This rule would seriously impair, or limit, tacking a runner from behind. A runner is "defenseless".

So how are you suppose to bring down a runner from behind. The answer is, flags.

Is the league slowly moving toward flag football?
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Reach and tie up their lower legs, like we've seen for decades?
 
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