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Texecutioner said:
I don't think we know that honestly. Savage hasn't played long enough for us to know that. Oz didn't play that bad in games one and two to start the season, and if that was all that we saw of Oz right now, we'd all be a little excited.

Savage was never going to be a savior to me, but maybe he is better. Wouldnt' be that difficult to reach that, but we really don't know yet.
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To me this isn't even about Savage, much less him being a savior.
 
Texecutioner said:
I don't think we know that honestly. Savage hasn't played long enough for us to know that. Oz didn't play that bad in games one and two to start the season, and if that was all that we saw of Oz right now, we'd all be a little excited.

Savage was never going to be a savior to me, but maybe he is better. Wouldnt' be that difficult to reach that, but we really don't know yet.
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To me this isn't even about Savage, much less him being a savior.
thunderkyss said:
He had today. he was out of the game before the end of the 1st qtr. he had all day yesterday. he came in this morning & wasn't cleared.

They play on Saturday.

I think it was the prudent thing to do.
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Why?

Os is going to get all of the reps in practice anyway this week.
 
steelbtexan said:
You don't think BOB thinks Savage gives him the best chance to win?
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No.

I see virtually no difference between the two. When they are trying to force the run, neither can make the plays we need them to make to keep the chains moving.

They both look passable, borderline avg when we go no huddle.

Neither can get the ball to Hopkins when he's covered. They both can get the ball to Hopkins when he gets open.

Six in one hand, half a dozen in the other.

Savage had proven not to be reliable. I hope we draft a QB early in the 2017 draft to replace him & push Brock.

Brock may prove to me that we need to pursue Drew Brees, Philip Rivers & if he's bad enough, Tony Romo.
 
thunderkyss said:
No.

I see virtually no difference between the two. When they are trying to force the run, neither can make the plays we need them to make to keep the chains moving.

They both look passable, borderline avg when we go no huddle.

Neither can get the ball to Hopkins when he's covered. They both can get the ball to Hopkins when he gets open.

Six in one hand, half a dozen in the other.

Savage had proven not to be reliable. I hope we draft a QB early in the 2017 draft to replace him & push Brock.

Brock may prove to me that we need to pursue Drew Brees, Philip Rivers & if he's bad enough, Tony Romo.
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Well then, this is where we disagree.

If this was the case BOB would've never switched to Savage in the 1st place.
 
We're doomed to repeat history. Our offense sucks so completely that we're going to get a whole new regime to fix it. By the time the offense is respectable the defense will be old and worn out, forcing yet another change to rebuild the defense.... que sera sera
 
thunderkyss said:
No.

I see virtually no difference between the two. When they are trying to force the run, neither can make the plays we need them to make to keep the chains moving.

They both look passable, borderline avg when we go no huddle.

Neither can get the ball to Hopkins when he's covered. They both can get the ball to Hopkins when he gets open.

Six in one hand, half a dozen in the other.

Savage had proven not to be reliable. I hope we draft a QB early in the 2017 draft to replace him & push Brock.

Brock may prove to me that we need to pursue Drew Brees, Philip Rivers & if he's bad enough, Tony Romo.
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Weren't you the one earlier in the year championing the let's wait and see what we have in Brock? The answer is yes, BTW. So now you've got Savage all figured out after 7½ quarters?? Yeah, that makes sense.
 
Speedy said:
Weren't you the one earlier in the year championing the let's wait and see what we have in Brock? The answer is yes, BTW. So now you've got Savage all figured out after 7½ quarters?? Yeah, that makes sense.
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Uumm Savage has had three years in the NFL to show the coaching staff what he has, and he has failed to beat the likes of Mallet, Hoyer, Fitzpatrick, Weeden, Keenum, and Brock. That list is about as horrible as a list of guys can get that beat you out for a starting position. You Houston fans are the worst in the country at somehow believing you guys have some Pro Bowl QB that has just somehow been overlooked by the coaching staff and is waiting to blossom. How in the world is it that Savage couldn't beat these guys out, but you guys somehow think he has had some sort of bad ordeal in the NFL in Houston?

He didn't do jack in the Titans game before getting pulled. His injury history alone says he'd be one of the worst QB's ever to try and put your franchise's chances on for the long term future. I get it for this playoff run and all. I'm all for that. If he had some sort of great post season performance run, then I could give him more slack for a possible longer look, but the only thing worse than a bad QB is an injury prone QB that can never be relied on. You end up wasting years to realize that his potential isn't anywhere near worth the risk he brings health wise.

Savage aint no "savage" on the field. He's a got damn piece of glass out there waiting to be broken.
 
thunderkyss said:
Brock may prove to me that we need to pursue Drew Brees, Philip Rivers & if he's bad enough, Tony Romo.
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I'd love to have any of those next season, even Romo. I can't believe I'm saying that about Romo with his injury history, but at least he'd play well while until he's hurt. Then we could see what Weeden can do once Savage gets hurt behind him.
 
If Savage can't go start Weeden. Since O'Brien can't see that, he needs to retire from coaching.
 
DocBar said:
I'm in a quandrey here.I hate the idea of starting over with a new HC, but the offense has gotten worse after three years and OB is supposedly an offensive guru.
Baby Shanny is the only young, hotshot coordinator that really intrigues me. No way is Cowher or Gruden leaving TV, so who else is out there that can come in and make an immediate impact? Cue Jimbo Fisher from Texian in 3...2...1...
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The OC in Washington has put together some good offenses past couple years. Not sure what his background or even if HC material. Just making the comparison to Kyle Shanahan. I think he (Shanahan) ends up in Denver.
 
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Texansballer74 said:
Exactly

It's puzzling in the way the did it though. What was up with O'Brien trotting Savage back out there after the half. Had the man take a knee and bam his concussion is for real now. When he went to get it checked, the doctors cleared him hahaha.
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It may be that Bob McNair told BO'b that he wanted Os to play no matter if TS was cleared or not. If that is the case than it does seem reports about McNair and Rick Smith overriding BO'b on personel decisions has some merit. Still for me, that does not let BO'b off the hook all together.
 
TxnsJuggernaut said:
It may be that Bob McNair told BO'b that he wanted Os to play no matter if TS was cleared or not. If that is the case than it does seem reports about McNair and Rick Smith overriding BO'b on personel decisions has some merit. Still for me, that does not let BO'b off the hook all together.
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Isn't that the way it's supposed to be though?

If the HC isn't doing his job as well as he should, shouldn't he expect some "guidance" from above?

O'brien botched the QB decision when he started Hoyer in that playoff game & refused to bench him in the first half. Everyone of us was furious that Hoyer played the whole first half.

He said he could win with Fitz, he said he could win with Hoyer... he botched both. IMO, the right thing to do was to give him one last shot to save his job. Give him a QB & let him coach him up. If he can't do it, we don't need him. If he refuses to do it (which is what I see), we don't need him.

Kubiak got a broken down Peyton Manning & an inexperienced overdrafted prospect & won the Super Bowl. He won 12 games in the regular season HFA throughout the play offs & we're trying not to be 1 & done with that same overdrafted QB?

I don't think so.
 
steelbtexan said:
If you want to wear your defense down, lengthen the game and let BO throw the ball 40-50 times a game then this is the offense for you. But you can expect a bunch of turnovers and losses.
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I don't expect 40 or 50 passes but I don't think staying with what has not worked thus far is the answer either. I think you will see a better offense if it is anything like last Sunday. Is it possible that Os throws more picks? Yes. It is just as likely the offense is better and we have fewer 3 and outs which also leads to a defense spending too much time on the field and giving up big plays and TD's they otherwise would not do.

It is possible the other teams game plan against our change in offense and counter it but to make no adjustments at this point is fool hardy.

BO'b is paid to be effective and outcoach the other coaches. If he can't do that than he is no good being the leader of our team.
 
thunderkyss said:
Isn't that the way it's supposed to be though?

If the HC isn't doing his job as well as he should, shouldn't he expect some "guidance" from above?

O'brien botched the QB decision when he started Hoyer in that playoff game & refused to bench him in the first half. Everyone of us was furious that Hoyer played the whole first half.

He said he could win with Fitz, he said he could win with Hoyer... he botched both. IMO, the right thing to do was to give him one last shot to save his job. Give him a QB & let him coach him up. If he can't do it, we don't need him. If he refuses to do it (which is what I see), we don't need him.

Kubiak got a broken down Peyton Manning & an inexperienced overdrafted prospect & won the Super Bowl. He won 12 games in the regular season HFA throughout the play offs & we're trying not to be 1 & done with that same overdrafted QB?

I don't think so.
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You hire a coach, let him coach. If you don't like the job he's doing, you fire him and get someone else. You don't try to play coach yourself.
 
thunderkyss said:
Isn't that the way it's supposed to be though?

If the HC isn't doing his job as well as he should, shouldn't he expect some "guidance" from above?

O'brien botched the QB decision when he started Hoyer in that playoff game & refused to bench him in the first half. Everyone of us was furious that Hoyer played the whole first half.

He said he could win with Fitz, he said he could win with Hoyer... he botched both. IMO, the right thing to do was to give him one last shot to save his job. Give him a QB & let him coach him up. If he can't do it, we don't need him. If he refuses to do it (which is what I see), we don't need him.

Kubiak got a broken down Peyton Manning & an inexperienced overdrafted prospect & won the Super Bowl. He won 12 games in the regular season HFA throughout the play offs & we're trying not to be 1 & done with that same overdrafted QB?

I don't think so.
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Whether Os was overdrafted or not is neither here no there. I think he was totally mismanaged almost all season and we have no clue what he could have achieved or become. I am not one to write off his weaknesses or bad habits. We have all acknowledged that throughout the season but I feel that had BO'b not been stubborn and made changes a long time ago Os may have vastly improved as the season went on. Unfortunately it appeared he regressed instead. I don't think our offense would have been among the worst in the league.

Nobody has held a gun to BO'bs head and made him remain head coach of our team. The argument about him staying for the pay is moot. BO'b could have quit after last season with plenty of respect from many people and I have no doubt another pay day and head coaching job could have been his. One where he would have more say than the reports describe him as having now.
 
Texecutioner said:
I don't think we know that honestly. Savage hasn't played long enough for us to know that. Oz didn't play that bad in games one and two to start the season, and if that was all that we saw of Oz right now, we'd all be a little excited.

Savage was never going to be a savior to me, but maybe he is better. Wouldnt' be that difficult to reach that, but we really don't know yet.
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Os's struggles coincided with BO'b being more involved with the offense and George Godsey being less involved. Last season I saw a lot of things by George Godsey to be excited about. While he did have some struggles with how he called games he also showed much promise with quarterbacks last season I see as having less upside than either Os or TS.

I am not one to see Os as a savior and to expect that is absurd. However I do feel that Os has potential and it seems as if it is being wasted.

Somewhere on this forum somebody shared a post that said BO'b and Os had words over how the offense was being run.

I doubt that it's true but if true it would not suprise me.
 
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TxnsJuggernaut said:
It may be that Bob McNair told BO'b that he wanted Os to play no matter if TS was cleared or not.
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Then add the quote from McNair when O'Brien yanked Osweiler for Savage. Something like, "well now, that took a lot of guts." This has the makings of a great soap opera.
 
Speedy said:
You hire a coach, let him coach. If you don't like the job he's doing, you fire him and get someone else. You don't try to play coach yourself.
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Coaches coach. GM acquire talent.

Like I said, I don't think O'b has done his best coaching job with this offense. I'm not blaming everything on Brock, especially when I saw the same thing with Savage.

2014 & 2015 all O'b talked about was playing fast, playing with tempo. The players like it, we're successful when we do it.

Brock plays well with tempo... but O'brien slows it down. Why?
 
TxnsJuggernaut said:
I don't expect 40 or 50 passes but I don't think staying with what has not worked thus far is the answer either. I think you will see a better offense if it is anything like last Sunday. Is it possible that Os throws more picks? Yes. It is just as likely the offense is better and we have fewer 3 and outs which also leads to a defense spending too much time on the field and giving up big plays and TD's they otherwise would not do.

It is possible the other teams game plan against our change in offense and counter it but to make no adjustments at this point is fool hardy.

BO'b is paid to be effective and outcoach the other coaches. If he can't do that than he is no good being the leader of our team.
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If you run a hurry up no huddle offense you can expect 40-50 passes a game and 3-5 more posessions that the defense will be on the field. IO want the same thing you want but with OS at QB and Allen/Clark on the OL BOB is really limited in what he can do.
 
steelbtexan said:
If you run a hurry up no huddle offense you can expect 40-50 passes a game and 3-5 more posessions that the defense will be on the field. IO want the same thing you want but with OS at QB and Allen/Clark on the OL BOB is really limited in what he can do.
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The second half was almost all tempo... did the defense even breath hard on Osweiler in the second half?

One of the things I like about Lamar Miller in Miami was that he ran very effectively out of the shot gun. I think he'd have had a good game running out of the shotgun Sunday in the second half with the uptempo offense.
 
FuzzyLogic said:
Nothing really to say about anything you have posted, other than I don't think the Texans decided to evaluate him again. From what I have read of the concussion protocol the "best practice" is to perform serial evaluations every 20 minutes for an hour, then every hour for 3 hours.

"because concussive injury can evolve and may not be apparent for several minutes or hours. Even if a player passes an initial concussion assessment and is returned to practice or play he must be checked periodically during practice or play and again before leaving the venue."

http://images.nflplayers.com/mediaResources/lyris/pdfs/NFL_Diagnosis_Mgmt_Concussion.pdf

Again not saying one way or the other what actually happened... but it does seem that once you are pulled for a concussion assessment, even if you pass it doesn't mean you won't get checked again and potentially pulled. Although I not sure I have ever seen it happen before
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This is what I was looking for, thank you.
 
thunderkyss said:
The second half was almost all tempo... did the defense even breath hard on Osweiler in the second half?

One of the things I like about Lamar Miller in Miami was that he ran very effectively out of the shot gun. I think he'd have had a good game running out of the shotgun Sunday in the second half with the uptempo offense.
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Well atleast you're thinking this morning.

You're putting a lot more thought into a meaningless game than I am.
 
thunderkyss said:
Coaches coach. GM acquire talent.

Like I said, I don't think O'b has done his best coaching job with this offense. I'm not blaming everything on Brock, especially when I saw the same thing with Savage.

2014 & 2015 all O'b talked about was playing fast, playing with tempo. The players like it, we're successful when we do it.

Brock plays well with tempo... but O'brien slows it down. Why?
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My point was, if the boss doesn't like the job OB is doing, find someone else to do it. Don't try to be a billionaire arm chair coach like the rest of us. Well, except for that billionaire part.
 
steelbtexan said:
You don't think BOB thinks Savage gives him the best chance to win?

Especially after going against the owners wishes and starting Savage, even when he brought Savage off the bench with 0 reps angainst the Jags?
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BO'b didn't coach TS much differently than Os. How effective was that for him?

I don't think BO'b wanted to pull Os. I think BO'b wanted to keep Os on the field but he eventually pulled Os when Os was struggling way too much for his liking. Os may or may not have been BO'bs guy but BO'b supported Os enough that he waited almost all season to pull Os. I do not think the owner or Rick Smith had anything to do with that.
steelbtexan said:
If you run a hurry up no huddle offense you can expect 40-50 passes a game and 3-5 more posessions that the defense will be on the field. IO want the same thing you want but with OS at QB and Allen/Clark on the OL BOB is really limited in what he can do.
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I agree that BO'b is limited but he showed how much better our offense could be with a quicker timing. BO'b didn't run a no huddle last week but it still was markedly a faster tempo. We don't need a no huddle to speed things up a bit and to see our Qb's put in a position to make quick reads and a faster delivery of the football.

We started off the season running the offense more like we did in the second half of the last two games and both TS and Os have showed to be more effective that way.

Other Qb's on other teams have been used in a similar way to more effect. It is a matter of the coaches seeing what works best and going with it.

I know the O-line is a problem but the best coaches know how to minimize that weakness with the right play calling and system.
 
TxnsJuggernaut said:
BO'b didn't coach TS much differently than Os. How effective was that for him?

I don't think BO'b wanted to pull Os. I think BO'b wanted to keep Os on the field but he eventually pulled Os when Os was struggling way too much for his liking. Os may or may not have been BO'bs guy but BO'b supported Os enough that he waited almost all season to pull Os. I do not think the owner or Rick Smith had anything to do with that.
I agree that BO'b is limited but he showed how much better our offense could be with a quicker timing. BO'b didn't run a no huddle last week but it still was markedly a faster tempo. We don't need a no huddle to speed things up a bit and to see our Qb's put in a position to make quick reads and a faster delivery of the football.

We started off the season running the offense more like we did in the second half of the last two games and both TS and Os have showed to be more effective that way.

Other Qb's on other teams have been used in a similar way to more effect. It is a matter of the coaches seeing what works best and going with it.

I know the O-line is a problem but the best coaches know how to minimize that weakness with the right play calling and system.
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I don't want them to run the offense quicker. That will wear the defense out. What I would like to see is them get to the line to look over the defense quicker.
 
TxnsJuggernaut said:
BO'b didn't coach TS much differently than Os. How effective was that for him?

I don't think BO'b wanted to pull Os. I think BO'b wanted to keep Os on the field but he eventually pulled Os when Os was struggling way too much for his liking. Os may or may not have been BO'bs guy but BO'b supported Os enough that he waited almost all season to pull Os. I do not think the owner or Rick Smith had anything to do with that.
I agree that BO'b is limited but he showed how much better our offense could be with a quicker timing. BO'b didn't run a no huddle last week but it still was markedly a faster tempo. We don't need a no huddle to speed things up a bit and to see our Qb's put in a position to make quick reads and a faster delivery of the football.

We started off the season running the offense more like we did in the second half of the last two games and both TS and Os have showed to be more effective that way.

Other Qb's on other teams have been used in a similar way to more effect. It is a matter of the coaches seeing what works best and going with it.

I know the O-line is a problem but the best coaches know how to minimize that weakness with the right play calling and system.
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Texansballer74 said:
Yes he did and rightfully so because Matt was throwing pick 6's at a alarming rate.
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That wasn't the point. IIRC, T.J. Yates was the #2 man. And, if you believe the talk, McNair told Kubiak to start Keenum and skip over Yates.
steelbtexan said:
Well then if this is the case why didn't BOB allow Savage to try to pass concussion protocol before naming Os the starter?

Keep on believing/hold on to that feelin
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Logically and going by what CnnnD says concussion protocol should be, there's no way Savage could get cleared in time to study up and be ready to start the Saturday game. Maaaybe he could be ready to be the back-up, but I'd go with Weeden since he'd be available all week to prepare and Savage couldn't start until he was released by the doctors. Given there are 24 hrs to clear each stage, that would have be some time today.
 
ObsiWan said:
That wasn't the point. IIRC, T.J. Yates was the #2 man. And, if you believe the talk, McNair told Kubiak to start Keenum and skip over Yates.
Logically and going by what CnnnD says concussion protocol should be, there's no way Savage could get cleared in time to study up and be ready to start the Saturday game. Maaaybe he could be ready to be the back-up, but I'd go with Weeden since he'd be available all week to prepare and Savage couldn't start until he was released by the doctors. Given there are 24 hrs to clear each stage, that would have be some time today.
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Weeden is getting all the backup duties in practice. So he's more likely the backup this Saturday
 
Saw this in a tweet:

The Andy Reid coaching tree is insane: Harbaugh, Mcdermott, Pederson, Spagnuolo, Childress, Frazier, Ron Rivera, Shurmur & Todd Bowles.
 
steelbtexan said:
I don't want them to run the offense quicker. That will wear the defense out. What I would like to see is them get to the line to look over the defense quicker.
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3 and outs consistently puts the defense on the field too long and it has shown plenty of times midway through the third quarter of games.

Yes a fast tempo can backfire but to me if it makes the quarterbacks and offense more effective and we end up scoring more TD's than it negates some of the pressure on our defence.
 
TxnsJuggernaut said:
3 and outs consistently puts the defense on the field too long and it has shown plenty of times midway through the third quarter of games.

Yes a fast tempo can backfire but to me if it makes the quarterbacks and offense more effective and we end up scoring more TD's than it negates some of the pressure on our defence.
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Running the ball 3 times and punting without even getting a 1st down takes 2 mins off of the clock. 40 second playclock. Get 3 1st downs in q qtr and you've used up almost half a qtr, shortening the game and not keeping your defense on the field as much. Throwing the ball and getting a 3 and out takes approx. 20 seconds off of the clock, utting the defense on the field again after they barely had a chance to get a Gatorade. If you do this most of the game (Likely with Os) you eventually wear your defense out.
 
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Running the ball 3 times and punting without even getting a 1st down takes 2 mins off of the clock. 40 second playclock. Get 3 1st downs in q qtr and you've used up almost half a qtr, shortening the game and not keeping your defense on the field as much. Throwing the ball and getting a 3 and out takes approx. 20 seconds off of the clock, utting the defense on the field again after they barely had a chance to get a Gatorade. If you do this most of the game (Likely with Os) you eventually wear your defense out.
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I said most of the game. You may find it a sound choice because of Os's so called hard to overcome weaknesses but I don't see it that way.

I don't buy the whole, "the offense sucks because of Os nonsense". O'b more of less ran our offense the same way under TS without a whole lot of improvement when ran that way.

Our offense has sucked and whether that is because of Os or not is dependant on a persons viewpoint. I think it is safe to say we fall on opposite sides in regards to where the lions share of the blame goes.

As I said before the Raiders game and I will say once again, I will wait and see how this next game will be called offensively and how Os plays. This time it will help me form an opinion that is set in stone.

We have gone 9-7 three seasons in a row with many issues on offense and no matter my opinion in regards to how the offense was called, winning our division two seasons running and making the Wild Card round of the playoffs for sure says a lot of good things about O'bs ability to inspire when things are not as they should be in regards to some talent gaps and injuries. I will give him credit. He is a good head coach but I am not about to let him off the hook completely for the troubles our offense has had. O'b has been way to vanilla and predictable much of the season.

If there is any truth behind O'b not getting Jimmy Garappolo than I hope next season we go and get a quarterback more to O'bs liking and than let there be a fair and competitive quarterback battle for starting quarterback.

The Pats will most likely win no matter how O'b calls our Texans offense in that game. I do expect to see more production and fewer 3 and outs though. Tons of three and outs due to a head coach calling runs up the middle on the first two downs and then throwing well short of first down is not the answer no matter how turnover prone our quarterback has been. It boiles down to our head coach doing more than making the same repetitive vanilla offensive play calls he has made. I have seen enough of the good Os to believe he is better than the way he has been used.

It may be right that O'b wanted to get Garoppolo and if it is true and he is all butt hurt he needs to get over it. Perhaps the team makes a play for Garappolo next season.

There is no guarantee that Jimmy Garoppolo is what O'b expected and he would have to acknowdge that and find a way to adjust his offense to fit his young quarterback.

Os may not have been O'bs choice but since he has Os he needs to get over it and work with Os.

In my opinion Os is no worse than what we had at quarterbacks last season and surely O'b can coax more out of Os if he so chooses to.

If O'b doesn't play Os like he is scared of Os throwing ints than we see that the problem falls mostly on Os but this constant two runs up the gut and one short pass nonsense is not any way to run an offense. Even when we felt Gary Kubiak became ultra conservative it wasn't this bad.

I like O'b. He is a no nonsene head coach and that is a big reason the team plays hard in most games win or lose. I just feel to primarily blame Os on the poorly run offense is a cop out.

I don't know what the relationship is between Os and O'b but those two men need to get it worked out and find a way to make the offense better than the crap sandwhich we have had to stomach almost all season long.
 
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TxnsJuggernaut said:
winning our division two seasons running and making the Wild Card round of the playoffs for sure says a lot of good things about O'bs ability to inspire
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I really don't like hearing people make this point.

expecially if it's from the coach

as long as the texans win the division and go to the playoffs it's a good thing

it doesn't matter if they get humiliated by KC, if they don't stand any chances, if the games offered nothing entartaining all season

for some reason last season counts as a successful one, I don't get why

I'm pretty happy with what they did this off-season, now they should keep what works and drop what doesn't
 
Sigma said:
I really don't like hearing people make this point.

expecially if it's from the coach

as long as the texans win the division and go to the playoffs it's a good thing

it doesn't matter if they get humiliated by KC, if they don't stand any chances, if the games offered nothing entartaining all season

for some reason last season counts as a successful one, I don't get why

I'm pretty happy with what they did this off-season, now they should keep what works and drop what doesn't
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I agree that we should want more and I expect better going forward. I am not letting O'b off the hook but merely saying that despite a mostly inept offense as called by O'b and GG we have somehow managed to finish above 500 every season O'b has been our head coach.

Going forward I do believe with a few weak spots filled we have enough talent to win a title. 9-7 won't cut it next season.

Of coarse the way the season played out we did not play to win our last game of the season.
 
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@TxnsJuggernaut The reason why the run run short pass offense with Kubiak didn't seem as bad was because that offense could actually gain yards up the middle and get first downs 50% of the time. Also Foster could occasionally get a huge gain from a cutback to ease the tension it would cause the fanbase. Owen Daniels could diagnose a zone extremely quickly and just sit in a wide open space for Schaub to delicately throw it to him and pick up a first down.

We just don't seem to have that in this offense. Every once in a while a run will break for 6-11 yards but most of the time it's a less than 3 yard gain, usually just 1 yard from throwing Miller right into the the strength of the defense. That's been the most frustrating thing about these runs to be honest, is that the defense will load up a side and that the direction we run to for some reason.
 
TxnsJuggernaut said:
I said most of the game. You may find it a sound choice because of Os's so called hard to overcome weaknesses but I don't see it that way.

I don't buy the whole, "the offense sucks because of Os nonsense". O'b more of less ran our offense the same way under TS without a whole lot of improvement when ran that way.

Our offense has sucked and whether that is because of Os or not is dependant on a persons viewpoint. I think it is safe to say we fall on opposite sides in regards to where the lions share of the blame goes.

As I said before the Raiders game and I will say once again, I will wait and see how this next game will be called offensively and how Os plays. This time it will help me form an opinion that is set in stone.

We have gone 9-7 three seasons in a row with many issues on offense and no matter my opinion in regards to how the offense was called, winning our division two seasons running and making the Wild Card round of the playoffs for sure says a lot of good things about O'bs ability to inspire when things are not as they should be in regards to some talent gaps and injuries. I will give him credit. He is a good head coach but I am not about to let him off the hook completely for the troubles our offense has had. O'b has been way to vanilla and predictable much of the season.

If there is any truth behind O'b not getting Jimmy Garappolo than I hope next season we go and get a quarterback more to O'bs liking and than let there be a fair and competitive quarterback battle for starting quarterback.

The Pats will most likely win no matter how O'b calls our Texans offense in that game. I do expect to see more production and fewer 3 and outs though. Tons of three and outs due to a head coach calling runs up the middle on the first two downs and then throwing well short of first down is not the answer no matter how turnover prone our quarterback has been. It boiles down to our head coach doing more than making the same repetitive vanilla offensive play calls he has made. I have seen enough of the good Os to believe he is better than the way he has been used.

It may be right that O'b wanted to get Garoppolo and if it is true and he is all butt hurt he needs to get over it. Perhaps the team makes a play for Garappolo next season.

There is no guarantee that Jimmy Garoppolo is what O'b expected and he would have to acknowdge that and find a way to adjust his offense to fit his young quarterback.

Os may not have been O'bs choice but since he has Os he needs to get over it and work with Os.

In my opinion Os is no worse than what we had at quarterbacks last season and surely O'b can coax more out of Os if he so chooses to.

If O'b doesn't play Os like he is scared of Os throwing ints than we see that the problem falls mostly on Os but this constant two runs up the gut and one short pass nonsense is not any way to run an offense. Even when we felt Gary Kubiak became ultra conservative it wasn't this bad.

I like O'b. He is a no nonsene head coach and that is a big reason the team plays hard in most games win or lose. I just feel to primarily blame Os on the poorly run offense is a cop out.

I don't know what the relationship is between Os and O'b but those two men need to get it worked out and find a way to make the offense better than the crap sandwhich we have had to stomach almost all season long.
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Well then, we will have to agree to disagree on Os. Os IS the worst rated QB in the NFL. It's obvious BOB doesn't trust Os and this has nothing to do with being butt hurt, this is about what is the best way to go about winning football games with Os at QB, BOB has gotten the team this far limiting the mistakes Os makes. (For that he deserves COY award. LOL)

Do you find it odd that BOB got the best yrs out of Fitz/Hoyer, yet Os stinks? Did BOB lose his ability to teach the nuances of playing the QB position? Or is it Os cant learn or doesn't have the accuracy to run BOB's offense. His accuracy is worse than Fitz/Hoyer's. I mean even a guy like Savage looks better than Os and he's played less than 10 qtrs. of NFL football in his career. This speaks volumes to me. (Probably not so much to you.)
 
Brandon420tx said:
@TxnsJuggernaut The reason why the run run short pass offense with Kubiak didn't seem as bad was because that offense could actually gain yards up the middle and get first downs 50% of the time. Also Foster could occasionally get a huge gain from a cutback to ease the tension it would cause the fanbase. Owen Daniels could diagnose a zone extremely quickly and just sit in a wide open space for Schaub to delicately throw it to him and pick up a first down.

We just don't seem to have that in this offense. Every once in a while a run will break for 6-11 yards but most of the time it's a less than 3 yard gain, usually just 1 yard from throwing Miller right into the the strength of the defense. That's been the most frustrating thing about these runs to be honest, is that the defense will load up a side and that the direction we run to for some reason.
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You are correct about the past but I think this season it would be apparent running into the teeth of good defenses on a regular basis is not the best bet. It would be nice to see us run outside the tackles more and not so predictably run up the gut into the teeth of a stacked defense on first and second down. If BO'b must do that he should catch defenses off guard some with play action on first or second down. Also it would be nice if we utilize Os's athleticism with designed bootlegs and passes out of the pocket.

Just my 2 cents.
 
steelbtexan said:
Well then, we will have to agree to disagree on Os. Os IS the worst rated QB in the NFL. It's obvious BOB doesn't trust Os and this has nothing to do with being butt hurt, this is about what is the best way to go about winning football games with Os at QB, BOB has gotten the team this far limiting the mistakes Os makes. (For that he deserves COY award. LOL)

Do you find it odd that BOB got the best yrs out of Fitz/Hoyer, yet Os stinks? Did BOB lose his ability to teach the nuances of playing the QB position? Or is it Os cant learn or doesn't have the accuracy to run BOB's offense. His accuracy is worse than Fitz/Hoyer's. I mean even a guy like Savage looks better than Os and he's played less than 10 qtrs. of NFL football in his career. This speaks volumes to me. (Probably not so much to you.)
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You make some valid points but all in all we just agree to disagree on Os and how he has been utilized. Also I wouldn't consider the play of Tom Savage much of an improvement.
 
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Brandon420tx said:
@TxnsJuggernaut The reason why the run run short pass offense with Kubiak didn't seem as bad was because that offense could actually gain yards up the middle and get first downs 50% of the time. Also Foster could occasionally get a huge gain from a cutback to ease the tension it would cause the fanbase. Owen Daniels could diagnose a zone extremely quickly and just sit in a wide open space for Schaub to delicately throw it to him and pick up a first down.

We just don't seem to have that in this offense. Every once in a while a run will break for 6-11 yards but most of the time it's a less than 3 yard gain, usually just 1 yard from throwing Miller right into the the strength of the defense. That's been the most frustrating thing about these runs to be honest, is that the defense will load up a side and that the direction we run to for some reason.
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I never liked it much with Kubiak and I hate it being done consistently by O'b!!!!
 
Sigma said:
I really don't like hearing people make this point.

expecially if it's from the coach

as long as the texans win the division and go to the playoffs it's a good thing

it doesn't matter if they get humiliated by KC, if they don't stand any chances, if the games offered nothing entartaining all season

for some reason last season counts as a successful one, I don't get why

I'm pretty happy with what they did this off-season, now they should keep what works and drop what doesn't
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I agree with the 9-7 thing. Heck Kubiak went 8-8, 8-8, 9-7 & "everyone" thought we saw the best of Kubiak. That it was time to move on. I don't see a big difference between 8-8 & 9-7

I do, however, like playing in January & if we can get to February that would be awesome. So there are level of successes.


For 2016, I thought the goal was to get past the divisional round. I can understand how that goal would change through the course of the season after we see what we've really got. But when the Texans sit down after all the football is over & they look back on the season, they should identify one of the goals for 2016 was finding our QB. Another was getting past the divisional round. Then they need to address both accordingly. (fyi, I still think we'll get past the divisional round).
 
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