So fear kept Gary employed far longer than he should've been?
If this is the case I fear that BoB will have to die before the Texans win a SB.
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So fear kept Gary employed far longer than he should've been?
If this is the case I fear that BoB will have to die before the Texans win a SB.
The Pencil Neck
Hall of Fame
So your options are:
Mike Holmgren
Bill Cowher
Jon Gruden
Brian Billick
Tony Dungy
Would you be open to guys who've GOTTEN their team to the SB and lost?
Lovie Smith
Mike Callahan
Jim Fassel
Whisenhunt
I might be missing some guys.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
Bernard Pollard
Vonta Leach
Andre Davis
Wade Smith
Joel Dreesen
I would include Chris Myers as using a low round pick.
IBleedTexans
Superbowl Bound
Bleed_Blu_Red
Waterboy
Idk about Whisenhunt as Head Coach. OC would be interesting he has turned Rivers career around this year, We don't have a proven/once elite QB like Rivers on the roster. If we draft Teddy or stick with Keenum which I don't want wouldn't mind seeing what he could do with the offense.
Texian
Hall of Fame
Whisehunt likely best choice of former NFL HCs. We have seen what Whisenhunt can do with a QB (Warner) and what he can't do w/o a QB.
Bleed_Blu_Red
Waterboy
Ya I wouldn't be upset with his hire. I'm pulling for Ray Horton but Whisenhunt wouldn't be bad.
Bleed_Blu_Red
Waterboy
Here is a Link I read earlier about Whisenhunt and gives a hint the Texans being interested in him.
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...en-whisenhunt-to-draw-head-coaching-interest/
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...en-whisenhunt-to-draw-head-coaching-interest/
How many of those guys are still on the team? The point is that Rick/Gary didn't replenish the talent they lost in the draft and they couldn't replenish the talent in FA after they mortgaged the future in 2010 disaster. This philosophy worked out well for Rick. But not so well for Gary afetr Rick threw him under the bus.
I see that you like Alex Gibbs handpicked guys. Brown/Smith/Myers. Is it not true that Gibbs had full control over OL talent aquisitions/ZBS scheme's. If he didn't do you think a HOF'er like Gibbs would come out of retirement?
bhsman
Rookie
The point is that all these guys were contributors, at least. You can't keep everyone.
I'm not a Whisenhunt fan at all. He's a good OC but would be Kubiak v2.0 as a HC.
Anderson, Kolb and Palmer speak volumes about his coaching ability. Combining Whisenhunt's personnel acumen with Rick Smith's would be a disaster of Cleveland Brown's proportions for this team.
I kinda like Whisenhunt. I want an offensive mind with a new philosophy.
If Rick Smith is so great, why are the Texans currently the worst team in the NFL?
Did he have anything to do with this predictament? If so he should be fired also.
If Rick Smith is so great, why are the Texans currently the worst team in the NFL?
Did he have anything to do with this predictament? If so he should be fired also.
Agreed
But to stay at the top of the NFL you must replace them with likewise talent. Or you end up where the Texans are today if you rest on your laurels. Which is what Bob/Rick/Gary appear to have done this season. Much like they did afeter the glorious 9-7 2009 season. I see a trend developing with BoB/Rick.
My list is bolded and just in the order you had them listed.
In my heart, I really think the job will go to either Wade Phillips or Jon Gruden.
I never even thought about Mooch. Neither him nor Billick seem to really want to return to coaching. Mooch could be a very good fit for this team.
Thankfully you left Tom Cable off your list. That dude is a joke as a HC. Reminds me of Jerry Glanville.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
Gibbs was here 2008 & 2009.
Wade Smith came in 2010.
Who knows whether Myers was handpicked but so what?
Neither of us know whether Gibbs had "full control" of the OL selections. Myers was drafted by the Broncos Kubiak's last year there. The move was initially criticized as Kubiak trying to make Houston into Denver south.
There were rumors last year of his interest in the San Diego job.
But you can make an educated guess. Do you remember what a mess the OL was before Gibbs got here? Then how new players were drafted/traded for/UDFA signed? I was fully on board with Gibbs OL choices and didn't see it as Denver south. Only fans that had inferiority problems used the Denver south moniker.
Brown/Myers/Briesel were Gibbs guys wheter you want to admit that or not. If that weren't the case you would've thought the Gary/Rick would've fixed the OL earlier. BTW, I'm a huge Alex Gibbs fan, he's a my way or the highway kinda guy. Which didn't make him a good fit on the Texans country club type atmosphere lockerroom.
Palmer was the QB when Whiz was there? My memory must be failing me.
bhsman
Rookie
A lot of the players and UDFAs we picked up got injured or got cut in that bizarre pre-KC moment. Part of me wants to know how much of that was influenced by by losing streak.
The Pencil Neck
Hall of Fame
Yeah, not Palmer.
But... Skelton, Lindley, Hoyer, Anderson, Max Hall, Leinart.
If he hadn't lucked into Warner, he probably wouldn't have had any success at all.
The question is, though, if he comes in and takes the QB of his choice in this next draft, will he be able to work the same sort of magic he worked with Roethlisberger? It's not like he drafted Leinart, he just inherited him.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
What magic is that? They didn't ask Big Ben to do anything the 1st two years. He had one of the 10 worst SB performances ever. His 3rd year (Whisenhunt's last) was by far Big Ben's worst season.
Or made gawdawful trades to get them. Just say NO to Whisenhunt.
The Pencil Neck
Hall of Fame
I'm not a big fan of Roethlisberger's so don't take this the wrong way.
But.
In his rookie year, Roethlisberger was 13-0 as a starter in the regular season and 1-1 in the playoffs. That rookie year, he had a QB rating of over 98. The team was carried by the running attack and the defense, but Whisenhunt was able to tailor the game plans in such a way as to keep Roethlisberger from getting exposed and exploited.
In his second year, Roethlisberger didn't play quite as well although he did still have a QB rating over 98. He didn't play well in the SB and his defense and running game carried him. But. He was the QB of a team that won a SB.
Whisenhunt was behind those offensive gameplans that got them there and won those games with a QB who, frankly, wasn't THAT good.
That's working a little magic in my book. A little sleight-of-hand razzle dazzle.
The Pencil Neck
Hall of Fame
Mr. White
Retired OLine Coach
I just started a post quoting your list and giving my own brief evaluation of all of these guys but they all started looking the same. I either thought they all were lame at best or sucked at worst with the following exceptions.
1. Cowher- Too good to be true. That's why he won't even interview. He'll want his own personnel guy and that won't fly with Bob right now.
2. Chucky- I don't think he'll interview either. This job isn't glamorous enough.
3. Lovie- I'm not crazy about this one but he seems like the type of guy that Bob would go for. Don't know why he never could get the offense going in Chicago.
4. Del Rio- I could be talked into getting onboard with him. He had some pretty good years in Jacksonville....then some no so good.
5. Whiz- Reminds me too much of Kubiak at this point. Good results with a HOF QB, mediocre at best without one.
I really think he needs to open up the process to coordinators.
The Pencil Neck
Hall of Fame
Actually, I think the process is open to more than just those I listed.
I think he's also open to NCAA Head Coaches who have NFL experience even if not at the HC level.
I think his "preferences" are more of a sorting thing than an exclusion thing, although I could be wrong about that.
Texian
Hall of Fame
Gibbs not only had full control of the O Line but the running game as well and that includes his Blocking TE and FB. That's always been a part of his contract where ever he has coached in the NFL and also the reason he left Seattle so quickly after signing on. They did not honor his contract and had a different opinion on players they wanted. Seattle went on to sign Tom Cable a Gibbs disciple in Atlanta. Gibbs was in Houston in 08 & 09 and his system was used for the most part until Dennison got here and began making his changes. As is the case with most Gibbs teams, his system works well for few years after his departure before the running game starts to breakdown and that is usually because of a change in personnel who were tutored by Gibbs in his system.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
You can keep saying it without substantiation and it still won't make it true. It is your reading between the lines. Provide some proof he had that in his contract in Houston and we can lay the issue to rest.
Leach & Dreessen came before Gibbs.
Not buying that at all. From his comments and pattern this is perfect for him to believe he can come in tweak and have fast success.
JCTexan
Hall of Fame
I've been seeing this a lot lately and I don't understand why. This team just had back-to-back AFC South titles, has decent talent on both sides of the ball and has a patient owner. What more can a Head Coach ask for coming to a new team?
Texian
Hall of Fame
So Gibbs must have liked them, yes?
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
Not true at all on Leach. The Texans made him the highest paid FB in the league before he got here. Even if he did like them it doesn't prove anything.
Where is that contract proof instead of trying to argue he must have liked Leach?
drs23
Veteran
I guess I didn't make my point clear. You just said what I meant, just more clearly. Thanks.
See above. I think we have the talent to compete with any team with a few shortcomings addressed. Some would say "many shortcomings" and there could be some merit there. It just depends on one's perspective. Glass 1/2 full or empty kinda thing.
Bottom line is I hope the braintrust, whoever the hell that is, knocks it outta the park. Going on record here that I don't believe Lovie Smith is that guy.
Most say it will never happen but I can't think of a better pilot for this vessel than David Shaw. Probably won't happen but that's the basket my eggs are in.
drs23
Veteran
Once again you're stating your hater opinion as fact. It's merely your opinion and everyone has one. Some don't stink so badly. JMO
Mr. White
Retired OLine Coach
Totally understand. My statement that this job isn't glamorous enough for him isn't based on anything more than a vibe. I just see Chucky as more of an entertainer now than a coach.
I hope I'm wrong but I don't see him wanting to leave a climate controlled broadcast booth for the inferno that is Houston in August.
Money talks my friend. Not only that, but the guy currently lives in Tampa and is outside in those elements all the time. The weather is the last thing he'd be worried about in regards to Houston.
Texian
Hall of Fame
Go back and watch some of Kubiak's early 2008 PCs after Gibbs WAS hired. I think Gary discusses Gibbs role. Gibbs was hired as Assist head coach offense. Kyle Shanahan was hired as Offensive Coordinator about same time. If I remember correctly Kubiak talks about how Gibbs will be overseeing the offense and Shanahan. Also how in Denver when Kubiak was a new Coordinator Gibbs was always looking over his shoulder making sure Gary was getting it right. When I was living in Atlanta and Gibbs was hired there was a story or video discussing how Gibbs had full control of the running game and insisted on that as part of his contract or he didn't take the job. I'm not your research assistant you'll have do your own research. If not, it's Ripley's for you....Believe IT OR Not. There sure is a lot information that suggest it so, logic and between the lines as you like to say that suggest it so. If you choose to ignore the corroborating evidence so be it but here is the bottom line: I DON'T CARE WHETHER YOU BELIEVE IT OR NOT.
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Texian
Hall of Fame
I think you're arguing here just to argue...outside of that your comment doesn't make much sense.......sometimes I think this message board is your playstation.
JCTexan
Hall of Fame
Ok, then wouldn't it be better just to say you don't think Gruden will return to coaching? Or do you think he would return to coach a more glamorous team?
I think Gruden is waiting and hoping to step into a situation like Houston if he is offered enough. He will also want final say on players. I think he wants to show again the genius he thinks he is.
htownfan32
Hall of Fame
I'll be the first Aggie to say I don't want Mike Sherman.
bhsman
Rookie
What's wrong with Mike "Let's keep passing while we're leading and risk an INT" Sherman?
htownfan32
Hall of Fame
I could of course be wrong but I don't believe Saban could be blasted outta his AL gig with all the C-4 at the US G'ment's disposal.
Now watch him hop on this gig.
I heard talk that UT was gonna offer him the moon + and that he would go. He' proven himself at Alabama and thought is that he's ready to go for a bigger stage. And more money of course. And what if he really wanted to erase the biggest stain on his legacy? Succeed where once he failed? Just a thought, and I hope that it is not even in the realm of possibility, but then again if you told me before the 2013 season that the Texans were going to be 2-11, I would have said no way and even bet any amount on that.. and if they were, their two wins would be against Jacksonville.
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aussie_texan
Veteran
just realised that this was my 1000th post.
DAMN! what a crappy irrelevant post to achieve this milestone with
Bleed_Blu_Red
Waterboy
Looks Like Shaw could be the guy which would be nice. It's John McLain reporting it so take it how you want but he is usually right on these things.
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap20...ns-likely-to-target-david-shaw-columnist-says
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap20...ns-likely-to-target-david-shaw-columnist-says