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Nate Burleson Saga

Yeah Paul Allen doesn't care about the hometown guy Burleson. Anyways he was there last night and today and i haven't heard anything. The Seahawks were just in the Super Bowl....they will most likely be signing Keyshawn....he really wants to go there. I think we would probably give Burleson the most money, seeing how we want to use the draft to fill so many other needs.
 
If the Seahawks can get around that poison pill "clause" in Vikings contract with Hutchison and they are looking to get Abraham,also....they won't have the cap room to go after Burleson.
 
I for one don't want Burleson. Minnesota would be real happy if the Texans signed him because we would basically be giving them a late 2nd rounder. Out of 31 teams we would have to give up the most because of our draft position. The Texans aren't going to the playoffs next year so what is the need to give up a high pick when we aren't one or two players away. Just sit tight in the draft and if a wr falls to us take him if not we are serviceable enough. I'm sure we can pick up a wr on the cheap if we have to. We have given away too many draft picks in the past. We need more not less. This guy had 1 good year. You can come up with whatever reasons he did but fact is he is still enough of a ? mark to pass on. I hope we get Walter and are done with giving up draft picks.
 
bckey said:
I for one don't want Burleson. Minnesota would be real happy if the Texans signed him because we would basically be giving them a late 2nd rounder. Out of 31 teams we would have to give up the most because of our draft position. The Texans aren't going to the playoffs next year so what is the need to give up a high pick when we aren't one or two players away. Just sit tight in the draft and if a wr falls to us take him if not we are serviceable enough. I'm sure we can pick up a wr on the cheap if we have to. We have given away too many draft picks in the past. We need more not less. This guy had 1 good year. You can come up with whatever reasons he did but fact is he is still enough of a ? mark to pass on. I hope we get Walter and are done with giving up draft picks.
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1 we gave up some picks for Buchanan....other than that I can't think of many we have just thrown away
2. what WR are you exactly salivating to fall to the Texans? (i can't think of one that will be taken in the first round who is better....)
3. yes he had only one good year.....he has played two full years....the other being his rookie season
4. i don't care how high the 3rd round pick is....its a 3rd round pick....i hate when people try and mix the rounds up because they are close....well its just the most ridiculous thing ever....its a third round pick....period
5. sure we can pick up a WR on the cheap.....but we aren't looking at burleson to be just a WR....we want a legitimate Number 2....which he has proven he can be
6. you say Burleson is a question mark but what exactly do you call a 3rd round WR?
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The Texans aren't going to the playoffs next year so what is the need to give up a high pick when we aren't one or two players away.
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....that rationale makes absolute ZERO sense. you don't make good trades if they don't involve all the players you need at once?? what do you call the one pick in the draft we would give up for him....last time i checked you don't pick 5 guys with a high 3rd round.....'basically late 2nd round pick'
 
bckey said:
I for one don't want Burleson. Minnesota would be real happy if the Texans signed him because we would basically be giving them a late 2nd rounder. Out of 31 teams we would have to give up the most because of our draft position. The Texans aren't going to the playoffs next year so what is the need to give up a high pick when we aren't one or two players away. Just sit tight in the draft and if a wr falls to us take him if not we are serviceable enough. I'm sure we can pick up a wr on the cheap if we have to. We have given away too many draft picks in the past. We need more not less. This guy had 1 good year. You can come up with whatever reasons he did but fact is he is still enough of a ? mark to pass on. I hope we get Walter and are done with giving up draft picks.
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We just dropped our #2 and #3 recievers. WR has quickly became our biggest need behind solidifying the Oline. If we don't pick up Nate most likely one of our 3rd rounders (which btw are both high 3rd rounders) are going to be spent adding a reciever to this team regardless. So the argument shouldn't be if you would want to spend a 3rd rounder on him, which one is going to be spent (or a higher pick) anyways if we dont get him, but if you think we can find better talent in the draft and I don't think we can. This is a very weak draft at the WR position and there is a ton of WRs that come in and don't live up to their hype (see detroit lions, even Gaffney didn't perform up to the position he was taken in the draft). If we have a chance to take this guy (who is only 24), you do it and don't look back, its a no brainer.
 
First let me start off by saying i already know what half of the people are going to respond with.............normal sacarasm. Having said that, i am getting really frustrated with the rest of the NFL signing free agents and the texans doing just about nothing. I know we signed Weaver who i think will help, we needed a DE. I will also assume that Cook is the FB Kubes wants. If we sign the wideout from Cincy i guess that will be another welcome addition, due to the fact that we have exactly 3 recievers. I think we will end up getting Jeb and i think that will really help Carr, having another pass catching tight end. We MUST get Burleson, i know it may cost us a 3rd round pick but so be it. If we can get a legit #2 to help ease the burden of Andre and a recieving tight end, the defense may actually get to catch their breath and possibly a sip of water!
 
I for one don't want Burleson. Minnesota would be real happy if the Texans signed him because we would basically be giving them a late 2nd rounder. Out of 31 teams we would have to give up the most because of our draft position. The Texans aren't going to the playoffs next year so what is the need to give up a high pick when we aren't one or two players away. Just sit tight in the draft and if a wr falls to us take him if not we are serviceable enough. I'm sure we can pick up a wr on the cheap if we have to. We have given away too many draft picks in the past. We need more not less. This guy had 1 good year. You can come up with whatever reasons he did but fact is he is still enough of a ? mark to pass on. I hope we get Walter and are done with giving up draft picks.
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You're still getting a young guy that could be here in the future when we do have a better shot at the playoffs. A third round pick is nothing for a proven NFL receiver. :redtowel:
 
indeed carr bomb, wanted one to call my own! i just didn;t want mine to be all doom and gloom. Just frustrated, plus half the time you cannot say anything on this board without having someone jump down your throat.
 
Lol, someone said in an earlier thread, the possibility of getting a player with Burelson's talent with that 3rd round pick is very low, let alone someone who has proven he can do it at an NFL level (1000 yds in 04). He is 24 years old, coming into his forth year. With Moss by his side, he played at an almost Pro Bowl level, even when Randy missed games that season.

As we have seen in the past season and a half, AJ has delt with plenty of double and triple teaming, mostly because of the lack of time and the lack of weapons in the passing game. Adding a legit threat takes away half the problem, thoroughly addressing a need as pressing as this one then allows us to continue in the draft and FA knowing we dont need to worry about the receiver position.
 
JAXwithanX said:
1 we gave up some picks for Buchanan....other than that I can't think of many we have just thrown away
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Babin, Hollings, and P-Burnt

JAXwithanX said:
2. what WR are you exactly salivating to fall to the Texans? (i can't think of one that will be taken in the first round who is better....)
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I'm not. I'd be happy with Walters, Dez White, Quincy Morgan, Peerless Price

JAXwithanX said:
3. yes he had only one good year.....he has played two full years....the other being his rookie season
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OK

JAXwithanX said:
4. i don't care how high the 3rd round pick is....its a 3rd round pick....i hate when people try and mix the rounds up because they are close....well its just the most ridiculous thing ever....its a third round pick....period
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Well when you are the 1st pick of each round it is just like drafting at the end of the previous round. Get used to hatin.

JAXwithanX said:
5. sure we can pick up a WR on the cheap.....but we aren't looking at burleson to be just a WR....we want a legitimate Number 2....which he has proven he can be
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we want the same thing just different opinions on how to get them

JAXwithanX said:
6. you say Burleson is a question mark but what exactly do you call a 3rd round WR?
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a question mark

JAXwithanX said:
7. ....that rationale makes absolute ZERO sense. you don't make good trades if they don't involve all the players you need at once?? what do you call the one pick in the draft we would give up for him....last time i checked you don't pick 5 guys with a high 3rd round.....'basically late 2nd round pick'
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We don't need to overspend in free agency right now. You pull out the big contracts when you are a couple of players away. We have a lot of holes to fill. Trying to fill them all via free agency will send this team into cap hell. How much do you think Burleson is going to want to come and play for our 2-14 team?
 
plus when you look at the draft this year there really are only a few guys who might make a difference on a given team at the WR position...those being jackson, holmes, moss, and green...imo...three of those guys aren't getting out of round 1 and the other will take 2-3 years to develop...rather have burleson and have an instant number 2 guy
 
Good point. I'm just thinking that particular hole would be tough to fill in the draft.
 
bckey said:
How much do you think Burleson is going to want to come and play for our 2-14 team?
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I don't know we havn't seen anything that shows the type of contract hes going to command, so we don't know if the texans would be over spending or not. With most of the high profile WRs off the board I think we can get him at a very affordable price.
 
horn_omatic said:
First let me start off by saying i already know what half of the people are going to respond with.............normal sacarasm. Having said that, i am getting really frustrated with the rest of the NFL signing free agents and the texans doing just about nothing. I know we signed Weaver who i think will help, we needed a DE. I will also assume that Cook is the FB Kubes wants. If we sign the wideout from Cincy i guess that will be another welcome addition, due to the fact that we have exactly 3 recievers. I think we will end up getting Jeb and i think that will really help Carr, having another pass catching tight end. We MUST get Burleson, i know it may cost us a 3rd round pick but so be it. If we can get a legit #2 to help ease the burden of Andre and a recieving tight end, the defense may actually get to catch their breath and possibly a sip of water!
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Not every team is spending all this money on FA. I agree we must make some moves but look at New England they havent done anything
 
TexanFan881 said:
Who ever said he wanted what Givens wanted?
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All you have to do is watch how this plays out. Going to be the same kind of deal Givens recieved from Tenn. Just give it a few days.
 
BrianC said:
apparently his sources w/ the seahawks :sarcasm:
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I would love to have Burleson here. Question is are they willing to pay him. Givens walked and so will Nate. TO SEATTLE!! Just wait and see. It'll surprise the hell out of me if we get him.
 
Koolbrz said:
All you have to do is watch how this plays out. Going to be the same kind of deal Givens recieved from Tenn. Just give it a few days.
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I really doubt coming off a down year and a year of injury Nate is going to command a 24 million dollar contract at about 4 mil a year, he will cost much much less. The Texan were willing to offer Givens close to 19 million (so they're willing to spend the money) and Nate will cost much less than that.
 
Carr Bomb said:
I really doubt coming off a down year and a year of injury Nate is going to command a 24 million dollar contract at about 4 mil a year, he will cost much much less. The Texan were willing to offer Givens close to 19 million (so they're willing to spend the money) and Nate will cost much less than that.
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I do hope that you are right. Like i said before I would love for him to play for the Texans. He would be a great addition. Just a wait and see game now.
 
Koolbrz said:
I do hope that you are right. Like i said before I would love for him to play for the Texans. He would be a great addition. Just a wait and see game now.
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I do like the approach the Texans are taking. With all these people complaining how they aren't doing this and aren't doing that and aren't signing this player, they are over looking that FA and the offseason is a long process and if your a major player that buys up players in the first week you end up over spending (Titans and Skins) for similar talent that will eventually fall through the cracks at a much lower price later on. The Texans are just sitting back and waiting, but are slowing going to fill needs, we might lock up our #2 with Nate and in the next couple of days we should acquire Putzier to help solidify our TE position
 
Burleson would be ok but I think we're going to end up overpaying him in addition to using one of our 3rd round picks on him. If we do bring him in, then I think that rules out drafting a WR since we will have used one of our 3rds on him and we're giving up a 7th for Walter (assuming we get him), that's two draft picks for WRs. I'd prefer to grab one of the bigger WRs in this draft in the 4th or even 3rd round rather than getting another fairly small one in Burleson and then a bigger, really slow WR in Walters.
 
I agree with the post above...Smart teams wait and make solid deals and acquisitions...underacheiving teams with a lot of cap space make huge splashes early...As you can see the perenial AFC contenders are not making moves yet, and if they do, they are small ones( Indy, Pitt, NE, Denver etc)...I think it is smart to stay relatively quiet in the beginning of FA because that is when u pay for late season hype...

The Texans have been fairly good so far and if they manage to land Putzier, Burleson and Flanagan then we will be in great shape for the draft. I think Burleson is a solid pick up if it costs a 3rd round pick...He has similar numbers to AJ in the "breakout" year and will be a solid # 2...I really hated to lose Gaffney especially to a 1 year deal...

If we address TE, DE, WR, and C in Free agency then it leaves us with a lot less holes to fill during the draft giving us the choice of taking the BPA over a reach player(another strong point of contending teams)...
 
I think this makes sense for both teams and espsecially the Texans. Burleson was a solid #2 two years ago and even #1 when Moss got hurt. For whatever reason his #'s were skewed last season due to a weak line, poor Culpepper play, Minnesota chaos, injuries, and the revival of Koren Robinson. Robinson appaears to be the steal of the year from the Betty Ford center and understands how sad a path he was headed down and has gone into Cris Carter recovery mode. With the addition of their 7th overall pick in Williamson last year and Marcus Robinson, Travis Taylor to boot, they have the makings of a ridiculously crowded WR position and would most likely not be terribly hurt to lose who they expected to be their #1 last year. I'm sure they could find a solid value at the 65th slot.

The increase in the cap is my #1 push for loading up on FA's. 2007's cap will be close to 15 mil more than last year's. Backing up the truck on a Burleson contract will seem not so heavy when we get there. Even Weaver's contract won't seem that huge when you figure the cap divided by # of players will reach 2+mil. So you have a few guys who cost 4-5 mil the inflation rate will make this years' deals seem tame. It seems ridiculous guys will get paid so much but the NFL is a cash hoarding cow that will continue to have massively increasing revenues allowing for bigger cap figures each year. After looking at what Tenn did w/Givens his bonus prorated is only 2 mil per plus something like 650,000, 1 mil, and 1.5 in the first three years. The big part of the contract is in years 4 and five and by then he will be almost thirty and expendable. Just saying his 2.5-3.5 cap figure per seems cheap though you would have to take a 4 mil hit if you let him go after 3 years. By 2009 that will probably seem chincy.

I know this is long winded but my point is I think it is wise to load up on FA now even if they seem expensive because with the new CBA 4-5 mil per year isn't outrageous when you have 53 guys and 2/3rds of them aren't making 1mil plus and several much less. There is a going to be a lot of cash to slosh around and if you think guys our asking a lot now just wait until future years. Burleson is definitely better than any receiver that will be there at #65 and if there is one (which most likely a big sleeper will develop that most teams won't recognize...cough cough Travis Wilson), our chances of us finding him and making him NFL ready out of the gate are practically zero. Burleson is proven and along AJ, probably Walter, probably Bush, Putzier, DD and the Mathis kicker that's one sweet group of playmakers. I don't know the exact amount of cap space we have left for the rookie pool but we could always restructure somebody and not feel like we're headed towards cap purgatory, because I think teams are underestimating exactly how much room they will have in the future.

:texans:
 
preacher man i agree with everything you said except one...the travis wilson as the sleeper in this draft at the wide out position...beside the point that i can't stand OU wilson was the biggest dissapointment for the sooners this season...he was supposed to pick up where mark clayton left off and he fell completely on his face...his missed so many catchable balls i was starting to feel sorry for the sooners...he has the hands of dropford with the speed of gaffney...not exactly a good combination
 
keyfro said:
preacher man i agree with everything you said except one...the travis wilson as the sleeper in this draft at the wide out position...beside the point that i can't stand OU wilson was the biggest dissapointment for the sooners this season...he was supposed to pick up where mark clayton left off and he fell completely on his face...his missed so many catchable balls i was starting to feel sorry for the sooners...he has the hands of dropford with the speed of gaffney...not exactly a good combination
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Probably a reach but I'll always find a way to deflect from my main point. :cool: Sorry I had to go there
 
Anyone who doesn't want Burleson....I would love for them to name this magical WR that we will be getting in the 3rd round for him. Its got to be a sleeper that no one has noticed and would love to know.

P.S. - Burleson isn't going to command the same money as Givens....he has only played 2 full years, was hurt for most of last, and even though this is pure speculation - doesn't seem like the type of guy who overvalues himself. If you don't know you should check the articles i posted back around page 3 i think.
 
JAXwithanX said:
Anyone who doesn't want Burleson....I would love for them to name this magical WR that we will be getting in the 3rd round for him. Its got to be a sleeper that no one has noticed and would love to know.
P.S. - Burleson isn't going to command the same money as Givens....he has only played 2 full years, was hurt for most of last, and even though this is pure speculation - doesn't seem like the type of guy who overvalues himself. If you don't know you should check the articles i posted back around page 3 i think.
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it's not that their will be a better WR with our 3rd rd. pick, its that we might want to use it on a diff. position, like MLB, S, G, T, CB
 
Mightymike said:
it's not that their will be a better WR with our 3rd rd. pick, its that we might want to use it on a diff. position, like MLB, S, G, T, CB
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Then who will we put out as a # 2 receiver?
 
Mightymike said:
it's not that their will be a better WR with our 3rd rd. pick, its that we might want to use it on a diff. position, like MLB, S, G, T, CB
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Now i can understand that. I don't agree with it because i think we need a Number 2 more because of the way we were shut down on passing to AJ last year. But other people seem to think that a 3rd Round WR would be better than Burleson, which just doesn't make sense.
 
There are no UFA's with that have shown Burleson's capability for production not to mention, upside at 24 years old. And i am including Keyshawn. The thing is i wouldn't have my hopes up on giving him the contract he wants if he wouldn't have been 1. hurt last year and 2. given any indication that he believes he is now a Number 1.
 
See i believe when a team is this bad you should be trying to acquire young talent....and you can't tell me there is someone in the third round you know has more talent than Burleson.
 
JAXwithanX said:
See i believe when a team is this bad you should be trying to acquire young talent....and you can't tell me there is someone in the third round you know has more talent than Burleson.
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That's how I feel too. How is a bad team supposed to get better when you don't pick up some talent that will be real good in the future.
 
bottom line is any reciever that we pick up via UFA's that would be comparable to burleson are all over the age of 30...peerless price, keenan mccardell, etc...our number one priority this offseason should be to try and give carr and this offense the best chance to succeed...yes that means defense needs to take a back seat for a year or two but with all the money we have invested in our offense via the draft with carr and johnson and soon bush we need to start showing something for it...so get carr his TE, his wide outs, two very good RB's, and a decent o-line with a system that actually works and then we will start winning games...now i know that defense wins championships but i think we all will agree that another year with an offense as pathetic as last years no one will be wanting to watch our games including the fans...there would be no reason to...so i say fix the offense...win some games...atleast make them exciting with high scores like the KC chiefs and then fix the defense
 
tulexan said:
Reggie will be playing WR for a lot of plays. He is avery good complementary WR to AJ
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Yeah more as a slot kind of receiver...you cant just line up AJ out there by himself and then motion Bush out of the backfield...Mathis is not ready to be a full time WR yet unless he improves a lot....and other than than we have nobody...so get Burleson, put him out there with Mathis and AJ....and then you put Reggie out
 
When Davis is the running back, Bush will most likely be lined up as a receiver, like they did at USC.
 
I sure hope the Texans get Burleson...he would be extremely valuable. I can really see AJ blossiming even more so than we've seen.
 
So far AJ's career has been fairly inconsistant...he has shown flashes of brilliance but he has also shown his fair share of mediocrity...I dont think he should be judged much different than Carr...until he becomes consistant...Part of that is Carr's inability to get protected but Johnson must also get open...Burleson will help ALOT....more than any rookie would...he is a threat...plus with Bush, Putzier, and maybe even DD on the field...AJ wont be swamped with defenders and should be able to get open... for a 3rd round pick I think the Texans would be crazy not to do it...seeing that they didnt actively go after a playmaker(Bryant, Randle El, Owens, Keyshawn etc)
 
JAXwithanX said:
Anyone who doesn't want Burleson....I would love for them to name this magical WR that we will be getting in the 3rd round for him. Its got to be a sleeper that no one has noticed and would love to know.
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Who said we need to sign a receiver in the 3rd? If we don't get Burleson so what.
 
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If we dont get Burleson, we have to draft a WR seeing that we havent actively looked for a good one...and nothing drafted after the first round will be able to accomplish what Burleson could accomplish
 
Dunta_23 said:
If we dont get Burleson, we have to draft a WR seeing that we havent actively looked for a good one...and nothing drafted after the first round will be able to accomplish what Burleson could accomplish
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Don't get me wrong. I like Burleson but I don't want to give up a high 3rd AND pay big $ for him. If we were going to overpay for a wr we would have raised the ante for Givins and not had to give up a draft pick.
 
Price is falling apart year after year and hasn't been very productive for awhile. Nobody left at WR is better than Burleson.
 
Maybe you people are not remember is that we have the first AND second picks in the 3rd round. I see it this way, we are basically using our first 3rd round draft pick on Burleson if we get him. He's a guy who's proven he can be a very good 2nd wide reciever. For the person who said he's a question mark, well yes coming off after last season, but anyone we draft in the 3rd round will be a question mark who hasn't proven anything in the pro's. Burleson has proven something. We need a wide reciever, and Burleson is better than anyone we'll get in the 2nd or 3rd round.
 
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