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Nate Burleson Saga

I see J Walker in a Texans uniform, but for some reason he vanishes when I wake up. Dam those dreams.:brickwall
 
Carr Bomb said:
There is no way I'd be willing to give up a 2nd (#33 pick in the draft), especially since it didn't even take that much to get Culpepper. Third round pick or no deal.
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So you would rather they use the second pick on an unproven WR out of college than give GB the pick for a great WR how has not even hit his prime. Doesn't make any sense to me. They will go after a WR with that second pick...you know that right. We need that #2 guy, after the 2nd rd there will be slim pickens. I'd rather have Walker. Awesome pair of recievers. You will be able to compare them to Duper/Clayton, Rice/Taylor, Harrison/Wayne...Man what a pick up this would be!
 
Koolbrz said:
So you would rather they use the second pick on an unproven WR out of college than give GB the pick for a great WR how has not even hit his prime. Doesn't make any sense to me. They will go after a WR with that second pick...you know that right. We need that #2 guy, after the 2nd rd there will be slim pickens. I'd rather have Walker. Awesome pair of recievers. You will be able to compare them to Duper/Clayton, Rice/Taylor, Harrison/Wayne...Man what a pick up this would be!
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Nope if we can't find a #2 in FA, we take one in the third, I'd rather use the #2 on defense or OL. We should be able to get a excellent offensive lineman with that pick and I'm tired of hoping mid rounders will work out, we should be able to get a blue chipper with that second round pick in this draft.

Even though the top level of talent at WR is weak there still is alot of quality WRs in the draft that go well through the third round, so its not slim pickens, there just isn't the elite talent this year.

I would love to have Walker, but not for a second, if the Pack don't bite at a third, then no deal. If we were in dire need of a #1 WR I'd be more inclined to part with the #2, but were not.
 
Duh...

Look at the denver offense... Here is the breakdown.

Rod Smith - Andre Johnson
Ed McCaffrey - Kevin Walter
Ashlie Lelie - Jerome Mathis

Stephen Alexander - Mark Bruener
Jeb Putzier - Jeb Putzier

Mike Anderson - Jonathan Wells
Tatum Bell - Reggie Bush

Kyle Johnson - Jameel Cook

The Snake - The Carr
 
outofhnd said:
Duh...

Look at the denver offense... Here is the breakdown.

Rod Smith - Andre Johnson
Ed McCaffrey - Kevin Walter
Ashlie Lelie - Jerome Mathis

Stephen Alexander - Mark Bruener
Jeb Putzier - Jeb Putzier

Mike Anderson - Jonathan Wells
Tatum Bell - Reggie Bush

Kyle Johnson - Jameel Cook

The Snake - The Carr
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Ed McCaffery - Kevin Walter :ok:
 
tulexan said:
The only problem is that you left out Domanick Davis and Jonathan Wells hasn't been re-signed yet.
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I think we get Wells back... Domanick Davis is not a Denver guy because

where it will differ is

In multiple rec set formations we will move reggie to a slot rec and DD will play RB.

Reggie Bush can be Watts & Bell
 
I also don't think that Mathis is anywhere near Lelie yet and is much smaller. I believe Lelie is around 6'2 or 6'3 where Mathis is about 5'11.
 
Denver usually gets their backs and receivers via the draft. I see that trend carrying over to our team. we will develop the talent from within with people who know the system. The only FA WR I remember them picking up is Jerry Rice.
 
I think Bush will be used like Ricky Watters was when he was on the Niners in the mid nineties when Kubiak was there. But he is a lot better than Ricky.
 
What a saga! Not really in the 70's tv drama type of way, but in the rock band Saga type of way. Will Burelson tap his cleats three times finally to go to the emerald city, which has been home most of the time anyway? Or will he fall under the spell of the Great Kubiak? So much intrigue so much time until the season. :rolleyes:
 
Lelie wasnt developed overnight, I should know after 3 years of fantasy league futility with him. Which is why I think he and Mathis are so similar, and its not like lelie goes over the middle, Lelie is the burner who stretches the field and gets like 5 throws a game just to keep the defense stretched and honest. With a TE this year we have a short intermediate option, so we need the down the field option then the AJ option they cant let mathis run free, and they cant keep giving putzier the intermediate stuff. They will have to rotate safeties this year to double Andre as they cant do it initially with the addition of a TE.
 
Kubiak didn't have much impact on how they used Watters in the 90's.

He was only the QB coach for one year there, I'm not sure if Watters was there or not.

Doesn't mean he might not be used like him,but don't think too much into that.
 
I'm not saying that Kubiak had an impact on how they used Ricky Watters, I am just saying that he was a coach on a team that had a player of a very similar style to Reggie Bush.
 
pskinny said:
Do you even know if we are still interested? I mean, we canceled his visit. What makes you think we will even try to sign Burelson?
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The visit was cancelled only because of the supposed bidding war that was going to happen between Seattle and Minnesota. Now both have commited over 50 million in two players, Julius Peterson (55 million) now at Seattle and Steve Huchinson (50 million) now at Minnesota. With the visit with Ike Hilliard ending with a non-signing and the two teams that battled for Burleson now financially commited to other players, this opens the door to re-establish talks with Houston if they (being Houston) wants too. IMO
 
pskinny said:
Do you even know if we are still interested? I mean, we canceled his visit. What makes you think we will even try to sign Burelson?
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Yeah you would think if there were any chance he would have at least met with the team. Something must have happened obviously so at least our 3rd is more of a sure thing. I don't know if that's good or bad but if we were to look receiver I think there a lot of guys who will be NFL quality but who they are is questionable. I think this group of WR's is underrated and between Nance, Jennings, Colston, Hass, Wilson , and a couple others you could find a pretty good steal.
 
O.G. said:
The visit was cancelled only because of the supposed bidding war that was going to happen between Seattle and Minnesota. Now both have commited over 50 million in two players, Julius Peterson (55 million) now at Seattle and Steve Huchinson (50 million) now at Minnesota. With the visit with Ike Hilliard ending with a non-signing and the two teams that battled for Burleson now financially commited to other players, this opens the door to re-establish talks with Houston if they (being Houston) wants too. IMO
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So John McClain says.....Seems like to me there's more to this one. I hope we go after Burelson, but we may have already burnt that bridge by canceling the visit.
 
pskinny said:
So John McClain says.....Seems like to me there's more to this one. I hope we go after Burelson, but we may have already burnt that bridge by canceling the visit.
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Money talks.

Bridges are rarely burned as long as Benjamin Franklin is in the room.
 
LBC_Justin said:
Money talks.

Bridges are rarely burned as long as Benjamin Franklin is in the room.
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Exactly, ask the man standing on the star that just got 10 mil a year that question.
 
Now that Seattle and Minnesota have basically shut the door on the Burleson deal, it gives a shot to land him for a VERY good price. Nate may have to settle for what we would want to give him. Which is a win for us. Leaving us with 2 #1 receiver quality receivers on the roster. Not bad Kubes and Cass.
 
At the beginning of the day i knew very little about burleson. I knew he was a decent wr and that we were interested. Life stole my research time untill today. After reading a little help from the Kaiser i became intrigued-He isn't prone to overrate a guy. Then after checking him out on the rest of the web I became downright excited. Then the news about the cancelled visit came and my cheerios were yellow again. Then the bidding war was cancelled due to other interests and obligations. We have a chance again! My emotions are rollercoastering today over this...especially after the thrilling news of getting putzier.

I said all that to saythis...If we get Burleson and get as good of a deal as we got on putzier...I may soil myself. At the very least laugh histerically and pee down my own leg in crazy joy and disbelief at the prospect of a winning season.

If we then get An O-Line in the draft..... I cant even say it.*sobs,laughs,shakes head

Dare i be excited?
 
TexanFan881 said:
For Burleson? We're out of the running for him as of now. It's between the Vikings and Seahawks.
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Unless they both come up with more funds due to there latest signings, they both are out of the running. Of course the Vikings have a leg up since they can match any offer.
 
jmerog said:
I said all that to saythis...If we get Burleson and get as good of a deal as we got on putzier...I may soil myself. At the very least laugh histerically and pee down my own leg in crazy joy and disbelief at the prospect of a winning season.
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You may want to seek professional help for your incontinence. Either that, or find a less exhilarating hobby....
 
TexansFanatic said:
You may want to seek professional help for your incontinence. Either that, or find a less exhilarating hobby....
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Lol, yeah. Some things you just don't say out loud. Think it, maybe. That's on you. Say it......no.
 
I am amazed to see 230+ posts and 6,000 hits on the prospect of Nate Burleson.

I still wish we had resigned Gaffney.
 
jerek said:
I am amazed to see 230+ posts and 6,000 hits on the prospect of Nate Burleson.

I still wish we had resigned Gaffney.
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Yeah I did as well but I'm happier with the Walters signing.
 
Gee whiz, its a joke guys. Dont be so stiff.


ps. i have an appointment with the doc for next week...just in case we sign him.
 
It looks like we are going to get him and he may come cheap because of all the drama between seattle and minnesota
 
Texas said:
It looks like we are going to get him and he may come cheap because of all the drama between seattle and minnesota
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i may have missed it but has a visit been rescheduled yet? or is this just speculation?
 
I have to ask myself is he really worth the salary and the 3rd round compensation? His 1 good year was when Randy Moss was still a viking... Other than that year he doesnt have any impressive stats in my estimation. Why not pickup Quincy Morgan? hes unrestricted and was only used on ST in Pittsburgh.. I think he would come at a better price anyways. If I had my way, I would rather try and fill other needs besides a No 2. receiver. There are not too many impressive Wideouts available this year... If I had to choose, I would like to get Moulds but Buffalo is basically making it to where he loses out on getting a blockbuster deal. Not to mention I think he would prolly end up in an eagles uniform if he became available.
 
In the year that Burleson had a break out year Moss missed 3 starts and was injured all year, Nate was their #1 option and had such a good year the Vikings were more than comfortable in letting Moss go. This past year Nate struggled with injuries just like AJ and by the time he got healthy he had a new QB that was throwing to his new favorite targets.

Nate is the best option #2 reciever out there, given his age and speed/hands, he is more than worth a 3rd round pick.
 
Carr Bomb said:
In the year that Burleson had a break out year Moss missed 3 starts and was injured all year, Nate was their #1 option and had such a good year the Vikings were more than comfortable in letting Moss go. This past year Nate struggled with injuries just like AJ and by the time he got healthy he had a new QB that was throwing to his new favorite targets.

Nate is the best option #2 reciever out there, given his age and speed/hands, he is more than worth a 3rd round pick.
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I have to agree. Get it done Charley.
 
He wont come at the bargain Putz did, and they may be happy with the walter pickup to where they wont make a play for him at all. I doubt he comes here, however Minnesota would be less inclined to match the offer as long as it isnt seattle... Hey since they have Hutch who job was lost? Maybe we can sign them?
 
outofhnd said:
He wont come at the bargain Putz did, and they may be happy with the walter pickup to where they wont make a play for him at all. I doubt he comes here, however Minnesota would be less inclined to match the offer as long as it isnt seattle... Hey since they have Hutch who job was lost? Maybe we can sign them?
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First of all, if he is that good, do you think they are going to let him go for less than a 3rd round, and REMEMBER our 3rd wound it the 1st pick in the third round, therefore you are saying he is really worth a 2nd round pick (NOT). We can better use that pick for a OL or DT MUCH MORE NEEDED than taking a "chance" dropping a pick and high money for him. I think we forget, yes we compensate a 3rd rounder, but you also have to use CAP money to get the guy paid... So you are really LOSING the opportunity of possibly 2 players.
 
Bearfan Blue and Orange said:
First of all, if he is that good, do you think they are going to let him go for less than a 3rd round, and REMEMBER our 3rd wound it the 1st pick in the third round, therefore you are saying he is really worth a 2nd round pick (NOT). We can better use that pick for a OL or DT MUCH MORE NEEDED than taking a "chance" dropping a pick and high money for him. I think we forget, yes we compensate a 3rd rounder, but you also have to use CAP money to get the guy paid... So you are really LOSING the opportunity of possibly 2 players.
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Why????
 
T-Johnson it is...and He didnt play that much...Plus we had alot of weak holes and our 3-4 scheme didnt fit our personell. Plus havent we realized yet that the main problem was our coaching?
 
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