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Nate Burleson Saga

If they were going to give $18 million to Givens, there's probably no reason why they wouldn't use that $18 million for Walter and Burleson.

They would probably be able to land Burleson easily for 3 yrs $11.5 mill or less (including the s/b). The Vikes tender was only the 700k variety.
 
aj. said:
If they were going to give $18 million to Givens, there's probably no reason why they wouldn't use that $18 million for Walter and Burleson.

They would probably be able to land Burleson easily for 3 yrs $11.5 mill or less (including the s/b). The Vikes tender was only the 700k variety.
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does anyone know of other teams trying to sign burleson
 
Mainly because it's his home town and his family lives there. Then there's the thing about going (on one hand) to the defending NFC champs or (on the other hand) to a 2-14 team. Hmmmmm. Tough choice.
 
aj. said:
Mainly because it's his home town and his family lives there. Then there's the thing about going (on one hand) to the defending NFC champs or (on the other hand) to a 2-14 team. Hmmmmm. Tough choice.
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i was sayin that in general, the FA we have signed this year. Those are valid points. He would be the #3 receiver in Seattle or #4 if Peter Warrick beat him, opposed to definite #2 in Houston
 
who's seattles #2 wr again. at least we have the adv of the vikes wanting him to sign for us as it a 30 pick difference. if he agrees to terms with both teams- they choose right?
 
I guess the fact we lost a lot of games last year is a reason a lot of free agents don't want to come here, but...

I think our team has a lot of upside. A star rookie running back (coming soon), and a young QB and WR with a lot of talent. We remodled the whole coaching staff with a lot of good coaches and the team has vastly improved. If they want to do good in the short term they can go sign somewhere else, but I think we will be good in the long run.
 
bckey said:
Who said we need to sign a receiver in the 3rd? If we don't get Burleson so what.
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Your ridiculous....do you even get the idea of trying to fill positions?

....and
Peerless Price, Dez White, Quincy Morgan
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as alternatives we wouldn't have to give up a pick for?

Peerless Price is on his last leg and Dez White and Morgan hopefully is a really bad joke.
 
Dunta_23 said:
So far AJ's career has been fairly inconsistant...he has shown flashes of brilliance but he has also shown his fair share of mediocrity...I dont think he should be judged much different than Carr...until he becomes consistant...Part of that is Carr's inability to get protected but Johnson must also get open...Burleson will help ALOT....more than any rookie would...he is a threat...plus with Bush, Putzier, and maybe even DD on the field...AJ wont be swamped with defenders and should be able to get open... for a 3rd round pick I think the Texans would be crazy not to do it
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He has played three years. He was banged up early last year and did not look to be right most of the year. According to the pulse of this site he has played with out a serious #2 or a TE. Moreover, he played well enough in year two be named to the Pro Bowl.

We need AJ to come to work this year and put up year 2 numbers. The drop need to diminish, but as the Offense gets better those drops will be not become as magnified as well.
 
I admit i didn't have Burleson on the radar and i'm not happy about giving up a pick for him.

That being said the need for a legit number 2 who can come in and contriubte immediately is so great that its worth it.
Someone that comes in 24 years old with over 100 receptions, almost 2000 total yards and 10+ Career TDs, plus a 1000 yard season and a pro bowl already? Plus adding him next to AJ is gonna allow him to thrive.

This plus Putzier will solidify our offensive skill positions.
 
jacquescas said:
I admit i didn't have Burleson on the radar and i'm not happy about giving up a pick for him.

That being said the need for a legit number 2 who can come in and contriubte immediately is so great that its worth it.
Someone that comes in 24 years old with over 100 receptions, almost 2000 total yards and 10+ Career TDs, plus a 1000 yard season and a pro bowl already? Plus adding him next to AJ is gonna allow him to thrive.

This plus Putzier will solidify our offensive skill positions.
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I honestly don't mind giving up a pick for him but I agree with you on the other points 100%
 
Kaiser Toro said:
He has played three years. He was banged up early last year and did not look to be right most of the year. According to the pulse of this site he has played with out a serious #2 or a TE. Moreover, he played well enough in year two be named to the Pro Bowl.

We need AJ to come to work this year and put up year 2 numbers. The drop need to diminish, but as the Offense gets better those drops will be not become as magnified as well.
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I would agree, AJ and Nate might be a very intesting tandem. Last year both of them were predicted to have breakout years! Both recievers were in their 3rd year in the league, this has been in the past a statistical monster for a lot of 3rd year recievers. Nate was projected #1 on his team with the departure of Randy Moss.

Both had similar issues. NO LEGIT #2 and they both got hurt and their QB's underperformed. (In Nates case Daunte got hurt.)

From Minnsotas Website;
Explosive WR who enjoyed a breakout season in his second year in the league in ‘04, becoming only the 9th player in franchise history to post a 1,000-yard season and led the team with 1,006 yards receiving...Ranked 7th in the NFC in 2004 with 9 TD catches...His 91-yard punt return at Indianapolis (11/8/04) was the first by a Viking since '99 and was the longest in the NFL in 2004...Joined Randy Moss as the only player in team history to catch a TD pass and return a punt for a TD in the same game when he accomplished the feat at Indianapolis (11/8/04)...Ranks 5th in Vikings history for starts by a rookie WR with 9 in 2003, the most since Randy Moss' 11 in 1998 and trailing only Anthony Carter, Paul Flatley and Sammy White, (Carter came to the Vikings as an NFL rookie in 1985 following a career in the USFL)...Ranks 5th in Vikings history in receiving yards by a rookie with 455...Selected by the Vikings in the 3rd round (71st overall) in the 2003 Draft...Highest WR drafted by the Vikings since Randy Moss was selected in the 1st round (21st overall) in 1998...First University of Nevada-Reno player ever drafted by the Vikings.



AJ constantly was double and sometimes triple teamed. Nate was hurt but showed some flashes of being a solid #1 for Minnesota. Taking into consideration his recovery from injury, we could potentially have two #1's in AJ and Nate. Not to mention we would have a young, talented recieving core that we would not have to worry about for years.

Lets look at our 5 Reciever set: AJ and Nate, "Stretch the D" Mathis, "Over the middle" Walters and "Flat Route" Bush or Davis. I like it.

I would give up the pick to have all those pluses!
 
bigTEXan8 said:
I still think that Burleson would be an excellent compliment to AJ.
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Andre Johnson and Nate Burleson: Now that would be a great WR duo. Throw Mathis out in the slot and we'll be unstoppable on offense.
 
Kookus said:
AJ constantly was double and sometimes triple teamed. Nate was hurt but showed some flashes of being a solid #1 for Minnesota. Taking into consideration his recovery from injury, we could potentially have two #1's in AJ and Nate. Not to mention we would have a young, talented recieving core that we would not have to worry about for years.
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I'm hoping that he isn't asking for the same price tag as David Givens though. Burleson just came off a season where he was injured for part of it, so I think teams will be less willing to offer him as much money as Givens. I'm willing to slightly overpay for him, but I don't want to go overboard.
 
TexanSam said:
I'm hoping that he isn't asking for the same price tag as David Givens though. Burleson just came off a season where he was injured for part of it, so I think teams will be less willing to offer him as much money as Givens. I'm willing to slightly overpay for him, but I don't want to go overboard.
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Coming off an injury he shouldn't want as much as Givens. Maybe 3 mil a year or in that range
 
i like what the front office is trying to do, they are bringing in solid players we can get rasonably and not give an arm and leg for. i think they are beign very smart with FA at this point. i'm curious to see who else comes to houston to be a part of a championship team next year :) lol it could happen !
 
I really hope the Walter signing doesnt hurt the Burleson possibility. We would be set with an AJ, Burleson, Walter, Mathis/Armstrong receiving corps.
 
rockabilly said:
I really hope the Walter signing doesnt hurt the Burleson possibility. We would be set with an AJ, Burleson, Walter, Mathis/Armstrong receiving corps.
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It would be a lot stronger lineup and may be take some pressure off of AJ. You might add to your list BJ. If BJ is able to play to our expectations we would be a very difficult team to play against. That's without any draft considerations.
 
Ibar_Harry said:
It would be a lot stronger lineup and may be take some pressure off of AJ. You might add to your list BJ. If BJ is able to play to our expectations we would be a very difficult team to play against. That's without any draft considerations.
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very true and if someone threw the kitchen sink at he texans during draft time and we moved down and got vernon Davis wow (I think we can still be serviceable with DD in the lineup..not spectacular,but solid in the run game):drool:

2 TE set with Joppru and Davis with AJ ( I can dream can't I ????) would the Texans run or pass??)


hmm the options.. one back with davis and Burleson out wide or 2 backs with norris/DD
 
yeah, this is getting exciting. i for one think the texans will be a great team next year, right away. Now im not talking super bowl, but at least respectable. I think that at least the games will stay on tv here in Austin THE WHOLE season.

Our offensive ranking should at least improve by 10.
 
I'm glad to see people are starting to feel Burleson a little more. I'm telling you the guy is great and has a great personality too. I really wish i could find that feature article on him by ESPN when Moss left. He really is the perfect match for AJ. And i mean ****....look how great he is on Madden!?

that last part was sarcastic....although he is pretty good.
 
mexican_texan said:
Some of you are talking like we already got Burleson. Did we?:confused:
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Not yet. It's just a wet dream some are fantasizing about and sharing with everyone at the moement. :rolleyes:
 
I don't think it's going to happen, Minnesota can match any offer if they choose, and he's got a visit to Seattle coming up.....I'd say we are the odd man out in this race.
 
Nate would be a nice pick-up for the Texans, but what if we offered a 3rd or 4th rd. pick to GB for J. Walker. Dude is an awesome Reciever. He was hurt last yr and might not demand as much money as he did last yr. AJ, Walker, and Walter is not a bad corps of Recievers. Walker has already said he does not want to play for GB. He is a proven player and would be worth a 3rd pick. I believe he would be an even better add. than Nate.
 
there is no way we get javon walker. he is a #1 reciever on most teams right now and his ego won't allow him to play behind AJ. i doubt we get him for a 3rd or 4th round pick. i totally agree on picking up nate. he is a pretty good reciever and would play nicely at #2.
 
Texans32 said:
there is no way we get javon walker. he is a #1 reciever on most teams right now and his ego won't allow him to play behind AJ. i doubt we get him for a 3rd or 4th round pick.
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He might have an ego problem but your right there's no way the Packers let him go for a 3rd or 4th round pick.
 
Texans32 said:
there is no way we get javon walker. he is a #1 reciever on most teams right now and his ego won't allow him to play behind AJ. i doubt we get him for a 3rd or 4th round pick.
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IMO #1 or #2 doesn't really matter. They will both be on the field and they will get there touches. They would also make for an awesome Tandem. Never know what a player will think about different situations with diff. teams. He just might like the fact that he would be playing with AJ. Defenses would be foolish to try and double team either one of these guys. Hell, i would give up my 2nd rd pick to get this guy. AJ and Walker could be as good a tandem as Duper and Clayton, Wayne and Harrison, Rice and Taylor. I guess we'll never know.
 
If McLame is correct (a leap in of itself), the Texans might be targeting a WR with our 2nd rounder if we don't sign one. If that is the case, I would MUCH rather us use our 3rd on Burleson and use our 2nd on a DE or O-lineman.
 
TheOgre said:
If McLame is correct (a leap in of itself), the Texans might be targeting a WR with our 2nd rounder if we don't sign one. If that is the case, I would MUCH rather us use our 3rd on Burleson and use our 2nd on a DE or O-lineman.
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I could not agree more!

Let's please fill as many needs as we can in FA so that come draft day we can start adding quality depth!

As far as giving up a third round pick thats worth it we have two and that would still give us three chances to get quality guys who can step in right away. And maybe just maybe we can hit another home run in a late round ie Davis, Mathis, Earl, Brown.
 
TheOgre said:
If McLame is correct (a leap in of itself), the Texans might be targeting a WR with our 2nd rounder if we don't sign one. If that is the case, I would MUCH rather us use our 3rd on Burleson and use our 2nd on a DE or O-lineman.
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Which option sounds better?

An unproven WR with the second round pick
or...
A proven WR with the third round pick


I think it's pretty obvious what the better choice is.
 
Seattle lost Hutch in arbitration to the Vikes, so will the Seahawks go after Burleson as thought or will that deal die. If it does will we be in good shape to attemp to deal with him? Kind of interesting gambit when you think about it. Burleson's options are a little more defined, but may be not....
 
Ibar_Harry said:
Seattle lost Hutch in arbitration to the Vikes, so will the Seahawks go after Burleson as thought or will that deal die. If it does will we be in good shape to attemp to deal with him? Kind of interesting gambit when you think about it. Burleson's options are a little more defined, but may be not....
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I posted under a new thread, but it was moved. I object only, because the visit was canceled and it really is a new possibility. Perhaps the title should be changed from visit.....
 
Ibar_Harry said:
I posted under a new thread, but it was moved. I object only, because the visit was canceled and it really is a new possibility. Perhaps the title should be changed from visit.....
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I told you guys a few days ago...Burleson will be playing for the Seahawks this coming season. They are really interested in him. With Hutchingson gone it will free up some money and they will sign him. I thought i heard that the Texans canceled there meeting with Burleson today. Am i correct on this? If so you can kiss him goodbye.
 
Koolbrz said:
I thought i heard that the Texans canceled there meeting with Burleson today. Am i correct on this? If so you can kiss him goodbye.
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You are correct. They didn't want to get into a bidding war with the Vikings and the Seahawks.
 
Koolbrz said:
I told you guys a few days ago...Burleson will be playing for the Seahawks this coming season. They are really interested in him. With Hutchingson gone it will free up some money and they will sign him. I thought i heard that the Texans canceled there meeting with Burleson today. Am i correct on this? If so you can kiss him goodbye.
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Yes, they did and that's why I asked the moderator to change the title of the thread. I'm not discounting what you are saying. I'm just saying there is always a possibility that the deal will fall through or they will have 2nd thoughts. We will have to wait and see.

My thoughts were would we invite him in if everything fell through. If it did he might be looking for less money. I think the amount he wanted was an issue in light of the draft pick we would have to give up.
 
TEXANS84 said:
You are correct. They didn't want to get into a bidding war with the Vikings and the Seahawks.
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That only leaves one other option...Get J. Walker from GB!!! Man, wouldn't that be nice.
 
Koolbrz said:
That only leaves one other option...Get J. Walker from GB!!! Man, wouldn't that be nice.
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Walker and AJ would kill defenders. They'd get so much attention Mathis would be able to run down the field and get wide open.
 
yeah walker would be amazing seriously. Everyone says he is not a #2 and he wont come and play behind AJ... who says they both cant be #1? They are both on the field at the same time who cares what their numbers are. Hell, i'd let walker be number 1 if he would come play for the texans.
 
Koolbrz said:
That only leaves one other option...Get J. Walker from GB!!! Man, wouldn't that be nice.
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High compensation or trade would have to be in the worked out. I do not see either one happening.
 
HoustonTexans said:
yeah walker would be amazing seriously. Everyone says he is not a #2 and he wont come and play behind AJ... who says they both cant be #1? They are both on the field at the same time who cares what their numbers are. Hell, i'd let walker be number 1 if he would come play for the texans.
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I'm sure AJ would be happy, he wouldn't be double teamed the whole game.
 
Years ago at Fresno State we had Page and Ellard lining up on opposite sides of the field at the same time. It was a site to behold. The opposition was driven nuts. The coach at Cal was the QB for us and they never would believe he could throw the ball that far nor that those guys could go get it. It was fun and a joy to watch.

I think we are making good decisions in the FA period and there may be a surprise or two yet. We just have to be careful with the money we have. We are quitely filling a lot of the holes. We haven't even got to the draft yet. I think we have a good coaching staff making a lot of wise decisions. We will just have to see how it all fits together, but more the moment I like what we see.
 
TEXANS84 said:
High compensation or trade would have to be in the worked out. I do not see either one happening.
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I'd give them our 2nd rd pick this yr and our 3rd next yr. I do believe he is worth it. I also believe 18 mil for 4 yrs could get him here. Compare that to what GB is paying him...You would have to be crazy to pass it up. Then again if someone else with more money is thinking the same thing you can forget it. Damn, this sux!! Maybe since he is from Galveston, he might consider playing here. Just trying to look at all the positives guys.
 
Koolbrz said:
I'd give them our 2nd rd pick this yr and our 3rd next yr. I do believe he is worth it. I also believe 18 mil for 4 yrs could get him here. Compare that to what GB is paying him...You would have to be crazy to pass it up. Then again if someone else with more money is thinking the same thing you can forget it. Damn, this sux!! Maybe since he is from Galveston, he might consider playing here. Just trying to look at all the positives guys.
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There is no way I'd be willing to give up a 2nd (#33 pick in the draft), especially since it didn't even take that much to get Culpepper. Third round pick or no deal.
 
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