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Nate Burleson Saga

I would definately trade away our top 3rd round pick for Burleson. If we draft somebody with that pick instead of using it as compensation for Burleson, we get somebody who is unproven. If we give it to them, we get somebody who has proved he is a very good 2nd WR. In essence, we're using our 3rd round pick to get a guy who is young (24 years old) and who has had a 1000 yard season. Last year, he was supposed to be the top guy in their system. It didn't work out. Line him up along side Andre Johnson and we have a pretty good duo. And don't forget, with Corey Bradford and Jabar Gaffney leaving, WR just became an even bigger need than it was before. For those of you saying we should use our 3rd for a bigger need, well, WR is one of those right now.
 
Right now giving up a 3rd for Burelson saves our higher picks. Mathis is 2nd leading receiver on our roster right now (that acctually plays WR)! There is no way we find someone with our 2nd 3rd round pick or lower who has a better chance at succeding opposite AJ. Thus, we would have to use a higher pick if we hope to find a true WR #2. To me this is a no-brainer. Give up the 3rd, then use the other 3rd to adress the many other needs on this team.
 
run-david-run said:
Right now giving up a 3rd for Burelson saves our higher picks. Mathis is 2nd leading receiver on our roster right now (that acctually plays WR)! There is no way we find someone with our 2nd 3rd round pick or lower who has a better chance at succeding opposite AJ. Thus, we would have to use a higher pick if we hope to find a true WR #2. To me this is a no-brainer. Give up the 3rd, then use the other 3rd to adress the many other needs on this team.
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I concur. More than likely, the Texans might pick up a WR with that extra 3rd, so to me, it would be worth it. Then, the Texans have a WR who can compliment AJ quite well as a #2 guy, he's young, and he's been in the league for a few years.
 
aj. said:
Great year in '04. Had some injury issues that kept him out of the lineup for 4 games last year. I've read where he would like to go to Seattle where his family lives.
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and according to the Seahawks message board he's visiting Seattle friday
 
mancunian said:
and according to the Seahawks message board he's visiting Seattle friday
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I wouldn't be surprised to see him going to the Dolphins. Scott Linehan is the OC and they have Culpepper there. I really want to see him in our red, white, and blue though.
 
TexanSam said:
I wouldn't be surprised to see him going to the Dolphins. Scott Linehan is the OC and they have Culpepper there. I really want to see him in our red, white, and blue though.
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I believe Linehan is in St Louis now.
 
id like/prefer to get him but if we dont i wont start crying, he might be expensive if there are a load of other teams interested and it may become a bidding war-plus there are a load of cheaper talented guys to be gotten in the 3rd or 4th round.
yes there is a chance that they'll be a bust but theres also a chance they could be better than burleson
 
Porky said:
Man, this would be awesome. Bureleson reminds me of Peerless Price in that I think he can excel if he is the #2 in a good system, with a very good #1 to take the pressure off. I don't know that he can be "the man". Remember, when they had Moss protecting him, this guy was a 1000 yard WR. Folks, he is easily worth one of our 3rd's - a proven #2 at this point in the draft, when it's a weak WR yr and there are no guarantee's anyway. Sorry, but give me the proven guy. If we can sign this guy as our #2 and Walter as our #3, our WR problems are solved. Mathis is our #4 speed burner, and Armstrong and Starling probably fight it out for #5, and I actually give an edge to Starling because of Special teams.
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I second that. Add Putzier to the mix and in my opinion, with Bush or not with Bush, David Carr should have no more excuses on the offensive side as far as weapons is concerned.
 
O.G. said:
I second that. Add Putzier to the mix and in my opinion, with Bush or not with Bush, David Carr should have no more excuses on the offensive side as far as weapons is concerned.
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might have the weapons - still like to see something done about the Oline so he has time to use those weapons.
 
I think picking up Nate Burleson would be a good move for the Texans. He would compliment AJ nicely, and he could have some success as the #2. I wouldn't expect him to have the same sort of success he had in Minnesota with Moss as the #1 WR drawing triple teams, but he could still put up a 40 - 50 catch season with 800 + yds. That would leave us with AJ, Burleson, Armstrong, & Mathis, and if we pick up Walter then we'd have a nice group of WRs. There'd be a mix of proven WRs, and unproven but talented WRs eager to make a splash. I wouldn't mind that one bit.
 
mancunian said:
might have the weapons - still like to see something done about the Oline so he has time to use those weapons.
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Agree. Give him the Lynn Swann, Barry Sanders, Jerry Rice, Shannon Sharpe, and Jim Brown as a fullback and with no O-line to protect him he still won't have time to throw or do much of anything else.
 
mancunian said:
might have the weapons - still like to see something done about the Oline so he has time to use those weapons.
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True, but I look at it like this, in the Second half of the season with a steady offensive that wasn't shuffled all over the place and bad coaching, he wasn't toasted as much as in the beginning of the season. Not giving the o line a pass by any means, but even if we don't address the o line problem via free agency or the draft, with Mike Sherman there, they will be better IMO.
 
TexanSam said:
Agree. Give him the Lynn Swann, Barry Sanders, Jerry Rice, Shannon Sharpe, and Jim Brown as a fullback and with no O-line to protect him he still won't have time to throw or do much of anything else.
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Point taken and that's one of the points I brought up with the situation of how bad Carr was in comparision to VY.
 
how is burleson's injury status...i'm just curious because it makes no sense why if he is this talented why no one else seems to be making a serious bid for him...i understand why the vikings might be content on letting him go with a 3rd round pick seeing how the re-signed robinson and they have taylor along with williamson but you would think teams like the 49ers the brown and the seahawks would be making bids on him
 
For what it is worth i remembered reading this in ESPN Bruce Feldman's blog and was pretty impressed then....decided to share it now.

Before his stint at UCF, McCarthy was the receivers coach at Nevada, where he coached Nate Burleson. I dealt with McCarthy some while doing a Burleson feature for ESPN The Magazine last year. McCarthy seemed like a great guy, and he was a big reason for transforming the former prep hoops star into an NFL standout. (McCarthy also named his son after Burleson.)
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Nothing great, but at least provides some insight to his character and leaping ability. I also have a great article on Nate that ESPN did right after Moss left....he was the featured article. Can't find it online though, will keep looking....
 
Just think, thanks to dropping back three spots in last year's draft we can get Burleson and still have one pick in each round. :redtowel:
 
Found these articles....interesting stuff in all of them....

Talks about his emergence....
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2169114

Good quote by Culpepper in this one....
http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/trainingcamp05/columns/story?columnist=clayton_john&id=2123333

Last year article anticipating his return....talks about the injury that kept him out of games....personally i think help explains his lack of production....after the 04 season....
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2199053

Stat Sheet
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/stats?playerId=4529

Scout Sheet
http://proxy.espn.go.com/nfl/players/scouting?statsId=6407

Forgot to mention he can return punts.....
 
I saw Burleson play in college, and the QB for Nevada forced that ball down Burleson's and and the D's throats. He can make good catches...but like the scouting report said, he's not crisp out of his routes.
 
a 3rd round pick is no guarantee for a good player. The Texans have done pretty good in the 3rd round through our History and w/ that said only one of our 3rd round picks is a current starter, a 3rd rd pick is a gamble Id like to gamble and bet that Burleson will be better than whoever we would take in the 3rd.

Our history in the 3rd round:
Charles Hill
Fred Weary
Dave Ragone
Seth Wand
Antwan Peek
Vernand Morency

We have done extremely well in the 3rd compared to others, but the only player on that list you maybe could say is better than Burleson is Peek, if we were guaranteed to get a quality starter in the 3rd id say no deal, but were not, so trade for Burleson.
 
What people don't realize with this whole 'weak receiver draft' garbage....is that that doesn't mean because none of the receivers are great....none will be taken before the 3rd round. It means the guys who would usually be taken around the 3rd and 4th round that are projected to be Number 2 guys like we need.....will be taken in the 1st and 2nd. Its best to fill this need in FA....and not give up a high draft pick like the teams that unfortunately need a Number 1 extremely bad.
 
bigTEXan8 said:
Plus, in 2004, Moss was still there, leaving Burleson constantly open. That's how he got all those yards.
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EXACTLY. And we have AJ, which will again leave Burleson open ALOT. And he's already proven he can excel in that role. Can he be a legit #1 WR. NO, but that's not what we need. Can he be a STUD #2 WR. ABSOLUTELY!!! Something we have never had!
 
Whats crazy is if you read those articles....everyone seems to think he can emerge into a Number 1. I mean he is 24....his rookie season he caught 29 passes and averaged 15.7 on each catch and that was as their Number 3 receiver and behind Randy Moss. Second year as Number 2 receiver....over 1000 on 68 catches. And last year he was hurt....only played in 12 games, and looks like he may have tried to come back from his injury too soon judging from the other Vikings receiver's comments. Someone who knows he is still a Number 2 right now....but has Number 1 potential....they are gold to sign. You get a playmaker in an unexpected position for half the money and great trade value when teams come looking for their number 1....by then....hopefully a number 2 will have emerged.

I don't think we personally need to worry about him going to Seattle, his hometown. He was there last night and there is no word about any offer sheet. Also with quotes like this -
"Man, I think about [Seahawks quarterback] Matt Hasselbeck putting the ball between the 1 and the 9 on my jersey, and my heart starts racing," Johnson told the magazine Tuesday.
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from Keyshawn....i think its same to say he will end up there.

The Vikings are who we need to worry about....i'm looking around for any possible talk of them and big name receivers.

This is from today's St. Paul Pioneer Press' paper
Receiver Nate Burleson, who visited with the Seahawks on Friday, is scheduled to head to Houston for a meeting with the Texans on Monday.
Burleson is a restricted free agent, and the Vikings can match any offer he receives. If the Vikings do not match, they would receive a third-round pick from the team that signs Burleson.
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i'm sold as long as he's coming to us fully recovered from his injuries...although if we sign him and walter that means once again derick armstrong is the 4th or 5th reciever on the dept chart along with mathis
 
keyfro said:
i'm sold as long as he's coming to us fully recovered from his injuries...although if we sign him and walter that means once again derick armstrong is the 4th or 5th reciever on the dept chart along with mathis
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No, I think that Walter, Mathis, and Armstrong are going to be switching on & off at the #3 spot. Of course, Mathis may just want to stick with kick-return duties, and then it's Walter and Armstrong gong back and forth with the #3.
 
I think Mathis will spend another year learning routes better....and then emerge throughout the 07 season as a Number 2 burner. Walter and Armstrong will be the 3rd recievers i believe. Hopefully Mathis is realizing his potential and working on his routes as we speak.
 
I think if we get Burelson, we wont get Walter, because he I beleive is also an RFA, meaning we will have to give the Bengals compensation as well. Both Mathis and Armstrong can do a good job as the #3 guy, neither have proven they can be #2, Burelson has. Get him, stick with MAthis/Armstrong at #3 and #4.
 
I think the timing is good, because if Walters doesn't make it down here we are in a position to get Burleson. If Walters does end up here than we have leverage and our need is not so great. Also about the third rd. pick. I think We could compensate for that by trading the second rd. pick and moving down a few spots and picking up another third rd. Even without that though we are in a good position. Our offense is coming together nicely personnel wise if we land this guy and Putzier and Flannagan (does anyone know what's going on with this guy) and that would leave us with a few holes come draft time.
 
run-david-run said:
I think if we get Burelson, we wont get Walter, because he I beleive is also an RFA, meaning we will have to give the Bengals compensation as well. Both Mathis and Armstrong can do a good job as the #3 guy, neither have proven they can be #2, Burelson has. Get him, stick with MAthis/Armstrong at #3 and #4.
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Walter's compensation is a 7th round pick, so it's not really that big of a deal.
 
TexanFan881 said:
Walter's compensation is a 7th round pick, so it's not really that big of a deal.
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Yeah if Walters signs that will have almost no-bearing on the Burleson deal....draft wise or position wise. Walters isn't going to the Number 2 reciever next year....he would be a great Number 3 and slot reciever though. Mathis will eventually become the Number 2 burner we need, i think....and maybe by then Burleson will be worth more after proving he can be back to 2004 numbers. Not to mention there is always a coach out there who thinks they can turn a great Number 2 into a 1 (sometimes it even works in the right system and right reciever).
 
Burleson is not unrestricted folks.... he is restricted and I don't want to give up anything for him. :stirpot: Heck I'd prefer Dez White
 
TD143 said:
Burleson is not unrestricted folks.... he is restricted and I don't want to give up anything for him. :stirpot: Heck I'd prefer Dez White
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I'm pretty sure everyone hear knows he isn't unrestricted....thus the talk over draft compensation....and i hope the rest is just a joke.
 
I'm joking on the 2nd part...BUT I am not a fan of Burleson...he hasn't done anythign to warrant giving up compensation.
 
well let's take a look at the recievers that would be available to us in the top of the 3rd round

greg jennings
derek hagan probably
jason avant
greg lee
mike haas
travis wilson
skyler green
jonathan orr

none of these players are anywhere near the talent of nate burleson...haas might be a great reciever eventually but he's not worth the high 3rd round pick we would have to use on him...skyler green probably has the most talent of all those guys above...fits the steve smith mold...personally after looking over the options and believing that we need to shore up this offense first signing burleson makes the most sense
 
TD143 said:
I'm joking on the 2nd part...BUT I am not a fan of Burleson...he hasn't done anythign to warrant giving up compensation.
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Lol. I figured but wanted to make sure. Well....i think anyone who is 24, had a 1000 yard season in only their second season and is considered an emerging Number 1 reciever (the Vikings were convinced when they traded Moss....although they did just give up Culpepper for a 2nd round pick....but so were and are many other people if you check the articles) deserves heavy consideration for a 3rd rounder....hell we have 2 anyways. Teams should be so lucky to get potential like that in the late 1st round, not to mention he already has a 1000 recieving season in the NFL....which is more than anyone in the draft can say....
 
Your point is well made Keyfro..... :ok: I'm just concerns what the compensation will be and WHAT else it will cost us.
 
I really hope we get this guy. He would almost be a perfect pick for a #2 Receiver. Hopefully we will get him!
 
TD143 said:
Your point is well made Keyfro..... :ok: I'm just concerns what the compensation will be and WHAT else it will cost us.
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The compensation is the 3rd round pick...period. And what do you mean 'what else' will it cost us? No one has to give up their first born if thats what your saying?
 
right there is a slight possibility that we can talk them into taking our 4th round instead of the third given how high these picks are...however...the viks are wanting to trade up to pick up one of the top three QB's in the draft to bring up under brad johnson...so they might stick to their guns with this one...anyways...is burleson worth the 66th pick in the draft...yeah probably...is he worth anything less definitly
 
Also just to say..It doesnt look like we can "trade down" to get D'Brick anymore. I beleive the saints will take him with there 2nd pick. It only makes since.
 
Here is an interesting way of thinking about it....are there 65 players better than Burleson entering the league this year. Easy pick.
 
exactly jax...if burleson were to come out this year in the draft he's probably a 1st round pick given the fact that he's 24 and has had a 1000yd receiving year...plus this year is weak at receiver
 
Texas said:
Also just to say..It doesnt look like we can "trade down" to get D'Brick anymore. I beleive the saints will take him with there 2nd pick. It only makes since.
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Thats a possibility....but i wouldn't be surprised to see Mario Williams come in. The hype around this guy is insane....and nothing brings fans to the stadium like hype. Also i think it is a bigger need for them.

Scouts Inc. sees the same dilemma. And i agree that Ferguson is a safer pick.

By addressing the quarterback need before the draft, the Saints have made the second overall pick the target for teams interested in trading up for the chance to draft QB Matt Leinart. Between now and draft day, the Saints will put pick No. 2 up for public auction and wait for the highest bidder. If they don't get the right price, the Saints will have a difficult decision to make between Ferguson and DE Mario Williams. In my opinion, Ferguson would be the safer pick. He could solidify the Saints' offensive line at left tackle opposite last year's top pick, ROT Jammal Brown.
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http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft06/insider/columns/story?columnist=mcshay_todd&id=2372493
 
dat_boy_yec said:
I think the timing is good, because if Walters doesn't make it down here we are in a position to get Burleson. If Walters does end up here than we have leverage and our need is not so great. Also about the third rd. pick. I think We could compensate for that by trading the second rd. pick and moving down a few spots and picking up another third rd. Even without that though we are in a good position. Our offense is coming together nicely personnel wise if we land this guy and Putzier and Flannagan (does anyone know what's going on with this guy) and that would leave us with a few holes come draft time.
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Walters will be here and as far as getting Burleson forget it. He will sign with the Seahawks. Texans can not offer him what the seahawks can. He is gonna use the Texans to get more out of Seattle. Looking at a contract similar to D. Givens. Oh well!!! Seattle has alot of interest in him from wht i have heard.
 
Koolbrz said:
Walters will be here and as far as getting Burleson forget it. He will sign with the Seahawks. Texans can not offer him what the seahawks can. He is gonna use the Texans to get more out of Seattle. Looking at a contract similar to D. Givens. Oh well!!! Seattle has alot of interest in him from wht i have heard.
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Who ever said he wanted what Givens wanted?
 
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