My take on the Carr / Young / Bush Debate

[texplayer2]

And I am in no way saying that Carr isn't a good athlete. I'd say he's on par with Vince, he's got a better arm than Vince. But that doesn't mean he's right for this team. It really doesn't make since, since this team was built aroun Carr, but that's the way it is.

We need to get better at offensive line, no doubt. But I don't want to wait till we have ProBowlers at every position before we start winning games.

The teams was not built around Carr? They picked a Defensive coach to start the franchise for a reason. It was built around our D. with a cursory look at offense, which was then being developed in the draft. The coaching premise didn't work and has been eliminated. We do need to help our team as a whole and this drafts best players at the top are offensive guys. With the first pick we should pick one of those period. If their were a LT defensive guy in the draft I would be for picking him. You have to go with the flow, and take what you can get.

 

[GP]

"..It may sound like double talk, but..... I'd take Young..... even though the smart thing is to address needs." -- thunderkyss

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You also say that you don't want us to have "pro bowlers" at every position before we start winning.

I say we ain't gonna win in the AFC right now unless we DO have a few potential pro bowlers on our team, and it can't be all on the QB/WR/RB position. It takes great o linemen to facilitate playmakers--That's just common knowledge that we all should know by now.

Your idea that we become instant Pasadena Rose Bowl 2006 repeat-performers with Young as QB is wishful thinking at best. Sometimes I really wish the Longhorns had stunk it up and Bush had blwon the doors off the game and everything would be soooooo much simpler right now. All Young did in Pasadena was muddy the water in terms of what we should do with our No. 1 pick. And that's why I STILL say that we ought to trade the pick and get the 'Brick.

Now THAT is the smart move. But hey, it's not sexy and it don't make highlight reels each day...and to some fans around here they're more caught up and concerned in us getting the Sportscenter tabloid face-time each day rather than having a true NFL machine like the Patriots and Steelers who (GASP!) make those ugly o line picks late on day one while Detroit and Cleveland go grab the savior of the year according to the hype machine.

Trade the pick and get the 'Brick. Build this team up with even MORE draft picks than we have right now, and we got quite a few this year...especially in the higher rounds. Can you imagine if we traded with someone, still got the 'Brick, and then ALSO added yet another 2nd round or third round pick as a result?

 

[Dime]

I am sorry, but we need too many things then 1 man with a huge cap hit can provide us right now. We need a complete Online, a replacement for coleman who is good in my book, but he preformance is deminishing. We also need backups, and and future replacements for our DL and DE's. I also think we need a better MLB as well. I will give P-buc 1 more year to prove his worth, but it isnt looking good for him.

WE NEED PICKS!!!!! Trade down is ONLY OPTION this year so we can secure more picks and help the team get personel.

If anyone of you believe that Jimmy Johnson is a Awesome team/player evalurater, he stated 'this Texan team does not have the talent to win'. One player will not complete the talent we need.

 

[MorKnolle]

I am sorry, but we need too many things then 1 man with a huge cap hit can provide us right now. We need a complete Online, a replacement for coleman who is good in my book, but he preformance is deminishing. We also need backups, and and future replacements for our DL and DE's. I also think we need a better MLB as well. I will give P-buc 1 more year to prove his worth, but it isnt looking good for him.

WE NEED PICKS!!!!! Trade down is ONLY OPTION this year so we can secure more picks and help the team get personel.

If anyone of you believe that Jimmy Johnson is a Awesome team/player evalurater, he stated 'this Texan team does not have the talent to win'. One player will not complete the talent we need.

In addition to Jimmy's quote, Mark Schlereth on NFL Live last weekend said that both Bush and Young will be good players, but they will not be able to help the Texans at all until they improve the rest of their team and that they should trade down and actually build up the team around the few young stars that they have.

 

[Dime]

In addition to Jimmy's quote, Mark Schlereth on NFL Live last weekend said that both Bush and Young will be good players, but they will not be able to help the Texans at all until they improve the rest of their team and that they should trade down and actually build up the team around the few young stars that they have.

I agree.. they are good player, hell.. they are awesome players... but not on this team without a supporting cast. If they are on this team without supporting players, there are just decent and have a chance to get hurt because of other inapt players. Also, if we dont trade down, we are going to have cap problems since we have a few overpaid players, for the next few years, and a Bush or Young wont help that either.

 

[titan hater]

In addition to Jimmy's quote, Mark Schlereth on NFL Live last weekend said that both Bush and Young will be good players, but they will not be able to help the Texans at all until they improve the rest of their team and that they should trade down and actually build up the team around the few young stars that they have.

I am beginning to feel that MorKnolle's quote of JJ and MS is correct...If we trade down I would think that CC will get a great value in return...ala: Hawk, D'Brick, etc...I can not imagine even CC screwing this pick up...whether its VY or Bush or a trade I can't see us losing...But, for what its worth, I feel like we should trade the pick and get some more value on Defense as well as offense. If we trade the pick we are in a complete rebuilding stage...If we draft VY we are in a rebuilding stage...Please remember that although we were bad last year, things did seem to improve offensively once we got rid of the old OC...Granted not right away...but there was some improvement. If we take Reggie I feel that offensively we would be competitive. Defensively things will look about the same barring some great DC coming in. Sorry for the ramble, but this whole thing has got me rather confused...Can't wait for April though...

 

[Chance_C]

Trade the pick and get the 'Brick.

LOL. I like that, and I happen to agree with it.

 

[U4ikrob]

".... Trade the pick and get the 'Brick. Build this team up with even MORE draft picks than we have right now, and we got quite a few this year...especially in the higher rounds. Can you imagine if we traded with someone, still got the 'Brick, and then ALSO added yet another 2nd round or third round pick as a result?

Since we have so many of these darn threads bouncing around here I'm going with the - I said pretty much the same thing on another thread and agree Whole-heartedly GPShafer - We lack so much depth on this team in so many places its amazing we made it to year 4 before the wheels started coming off. The coaches blew it this year big time and I hate to say it but I knew back in TC when I went to go watch practice and they didnt show up then. The Texans did like most teams do - They play pretty much like they practiced. Since they practiced sloppy and played un-inspired - it translated into the season the same way. Couple that with the staff's ignoring of McNair's request for an O-line to protect Carr and here we are in year 4 with #1 pick again.

Like the man above said "Trade the pick - Get the 'Brick"

 

[thunderkyss]

All Young did in Pasadena was muddy the water in terms of what we should do with our No. 1 pick. And that's why I STILL say that we ought to trade the pick and get the 'Brick.

no, no, no, no,no,no,no...... don't you go blaming that on Vince. You had sooooo many people in the stands with their smiling Faces, and their Bush Bowl signs.Then you've got team management confirming that we'll pick Bush withthe First pick in the Draft.....don't blame Vince for muddying any water. If anything Vince is turning that muddy water into wine. IF we aren't going to trade down, it would be much better to pick Vince, that it would be to add a 4th potential NFL Running back to our stable.