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My take on the Carr / Young / Bush Debate

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Dime

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First off, let me say this.

Vince can run the ball... so can Carr (maybe not as much as juker as Young, but he does a good job)
Vince has a strong arm... so does Carr
Vince is a good leader... so is Carr.
Vince is a play-maker... sorry folks, but SO IS CARR.

You all have to understand. I really dont want Carr because I think he hasnt improved, however,

The only difference I see between the two is Vince seems to makes better decisions, better reads, and better ball placement. This is big to the effect that he already beats Carr on these as a junior. That being said, Even though I would LOVE to have him, we cannot take Vince Young. Why might you ask.

Sadly, we have all seen what happen to Vick, McNabb, and the like. Running QB's, while great, have been eventually get torpedoed and hurt. Carr has even got torpedoed, but is stout enough to get back up, which doesnt happen often. If they dont have a O-line. Then the chances are greater of them getting it. If we dont invest in a O-Line this year, then even Carr has a good chance of not getting up very often next year.

Running QB's are fun to watch, but arent fun to watch when your paying them 50+ million to sit on the bench hurt because we havent addressed thier protection. By the way for the Bush Mongers.. Bush goes nowhere without holes. If you want to see why Bush did as well has he did. Watch the videos and NOT look at Bush, but at his supporting cast. He is Awesome, but he has alot of help.
 
Dime said:
First off, let me say this.

Vince can run the ball... so can Carr (maybe not as much as juker as Young, but he does a good job)
Vince has a strong arm... so does Carr
Vince is a good leader... so is Carr.
Vince is a play-maker... sorry folks, but SO IS CARR.

You all have to understand. I really dont want Carr because I think he hasnt improved, however,

The only difference I see between the two is Vince seems to makes better decisions, better reads, and better ball placement. This is big to the effect that he already beats Carr on these as a junior. That being said, Even though I would LOVE to have him, we cannot take Vince Young. Why might you ask.

Sadly, we have all seen what happen to Vick, McNabb, and the like. Running QB's, while great, have been eventually get torpedoed and hurt. Carr has even got torpedoed, but is stout enough to get back up, which doesnt happen often. If they dont have a O-line. Then the chances are greater of them getting it. If we dont invest in a O-Line this year, then even Carr has a good chance of not getting up very often next year.

Running QB's are fun to watch, but arent fun to watch when your paying them 50+ million to sit on the bench hurt because we havent addressed thier protection. By the way for the Bush Mongers.. Bush goes nowhere without holes. If you want to see why Bush did as well has he did. Watch the videos and NOT look at Bush, but at his supporting cast. He is Awesome, but he has alot of help.
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Great post, you have a lot of support and I agree 100%.
 
Dime said:
First off, let me say this.

Vince can run the ball... so can Carr (maybe not as much as juker as Young, but he does a good job)
Vince has a strong arm... so does Carr
Vince is a good leader... so is Carr.
Vince is a play-maker... sorry folks, but SO IS CARR.

You all have to understand. I really dont want Carr because I think he hasnt improved, however,

The only difference I see between the two is Vince seems to makes better decisions, better reads, and better ball placement. This is big to the effect that he already beats Carr on these as a junior. That being said, Even though I would LOVE to have him, we cannot take Vince Young. Why might you ask.

Sadly, we have all seen what happen to Vick, McNabb, and the like. Running QB's, while great, have been eventually get torpedoed and hurt. Carr has even got torpedoed, but is stout enough to get back up, which doesnt happen often. If they dont have a O-line. Then the chances are greater of them getting it. If we dont invest in a O-Line this year, then even Carr has a good chance of not getting up very often next year.

Running QB's are fun to watch, but arent fun to watch when your paying them 50+ million to sit on the bench hurt because we havent addressed thier protection. By the way for the Bush Mongers.. Bush goes nowhere without holes. If you want to see why Bush did as well has he did. Watch the videos and NOT look at Bush, but at his supporting cast. He is Awesome, but he has alot of help.
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I would think the difference between Pro and Collage is the deciding factor. Remember that Carr was very good in collage as well....
 
Agree. When the stock recipe includes emotion, potential cap hell and not addressing your needs you are essentially killing the soup.
 
Nice post but IMHO you are off on the list of intanglibles. Carr is not a leader and I bet if you took a private poll he would not be the guy they look too for leadership. The same was just said on 790. Vince is a leader and a winner. With all that said I think the smart move is Bush followed by O-lineman in the early to mid rounds.
 
HoustonFrog said:
Nice post but IMHO you are off on the list of intanglible. Carr is not a leader and I bet if you took a private poll he would not be the guy they look too for leadership. The same was just said on 790. Vince is a leader and a winner. With all that said I think the smart move is Bush followed by O-lineman in the early to mid rounds.
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I agree with you on the smart move...
 
HoustonFrog said:
Nice post but IMHO you are off on the list of intanglible. Carr is not a leader and I bet if you took a private poll he would not be the guy they look too for leadership. The same was just said on 790. Vince is a leader and a winner. With all that said I think the smart move is Bush followed by O-lineman in the early to mid rounds.
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i like bush then O-line/TE in 2 out of the 3 picks in the 2nd and 3rd rounds.
 
Drafting Vince Young would be a mistake. Sure he is a dynamic player at the college level, but how many games in the NFL is he going to run for 200 yards, not throw a touchdown and his team puts up 40+ points. He is slower and does not have the arm of Mike Vick, and Vick is not even considered (by many) to be a top tier NFL QB. You look at the top QB's in the league: Manning, Brady, Hasselbeck, Palmer etc. All pocket passers. The mobile quarterback has become an overrated commondity due to the fact that it just looks pretty. There are too many needs on this team to take a gamble on a guy like Young who is nowhere close to being ready to make an impact in the NFL. Quarterbacks thrive in systems, not on their own gifts. I say draft Reggie or trade down to solidify the team as a whole.
 
:redtowel: I believe your batting 500 . I'm not sure I've seen leadership , in fact I think OLs kill for their QB in games if they believe he can win it for them . Of course if their going to get blamed because their QB refuses to get rid of the ball ( the only think I can think of is he 's saving his QB rating ) then they expect the worse .

How many 4th quarter comebacks does Carr have in 4 years ?
 
i am sorry, but i have not really even seen any leadership out of carr, especially this past season. this past season all i saw carr do was make those stupid faces and throw his arms in the air. come to think of it carr really wasn't even a playmaker this past season.
 
Carr played in the WAC and never won anything

Young played in the Big 12 and won it as well as the National Championship
 
:redtowel: How many good years has Carr had since he entered Fresno State . If I'm not mistaken its ONE .

I think your best QBs come out of power house programs where being OK is not an option . Then you may be ready to lead a NFL team and the pressures that come with it .

ps yes there are exceptions .
 
texans281 said:
Carr played in the WAC and never won anything

Young played in the Big 12 and won it as well as the National Championship
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There are tons of QB's that win the national champship in College and didn't do a thing in the NFL, do you want me to give you names? There are also tons of QB's in the NFL that didn't win "anything" in college.

You need to do a little history and put away the burnt orange glasses for a while.
 
Steve Young should have led his team to the national championships when he was in college, being in the WAC and all.
 
Kaiser Toro said:
Agree. When the stock recipe includes emotion, potential cap hell and not addressing your needs you are essentially killing the soup.
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Bush and Young are both in positions that we don't need and that we have a lot of cap money already tied up in. So you have to be in the camp of trading down.
 
bckey said:
Bush and Young are both in positions that we don't need and that we have a lot of cap money already tied up in. So you have to be in the camp of trading down.
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Absolutley.
 
Leadership? Guess who said this... "It's not a must win but it is a must play well". You can have that kind of defeatist leadership.

Young would NEVER make a comment like that.
 
texans281 said:
Carr played in the WAC and never won anything

Young played in the Big 12 and won it as well as the National Championship
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If I follow your logic about the value of a National Championships:

If USC had succeeded on their final 4th and 1, then Young would be less of a QB because USC would have run out the clock.

Sorry, I don't see how USC gaining another 6 inches should affect any evaluation about Young. I don't think that championship thing holds much water.
 
Not only that, but if Darnell Bing didn't get called for facemask, then who knows what would have happened. They would have had 4th and 5 on the 30 yard line rather than 1st and 10 from the 25.
 
Hulk75 said:
If you mean by leader to be a class act guy on and off the field and is always staying possative, a guy that gives the team and media all the time they want to spend with him, claps his hands and says "lets go" when things get bad and is the guy that breaks the huddle with a word of encouragement before the game then yes he is a leader of this team.

I would hate to hear what your idea of a leader is.
And if it is wins then you will have to waite a while because they have not givin him anything to work with yet.
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Since I am getting bashed for my saying 'Carr is a Leader', you all need to look at it a bit. He is. He isnt the greatest leader of all time, or even the best on the team, but he is a leader on the team and helps rally the team. I didnt say he does a good job of it, or his people 'believe' in him. He just works the role he has too.
 
:tv: Watching players in a game is like watching my kids at the playground you know pretty quick who's the neat kid ,who's the nerd kid getting picked last , who's going to get picked on .
 
A leader has respect and faith from his team members. Carr is not a leader. If they don't draft VY the better find a leader fast because you can't win a championship without one...
 
Drum roll please........

Carr did pretty dadgum well his first three seasons in terms of leading and taking the franchise onto his shoulders.

He, along with THE REST OF THIS TEAM, gave up on the coaching staff and its philosophy at the conclusion of last season's Cleveland game at home...the game that was the straw that broke the Carr's back. And there isn't anybody on this team or any other team who could have been a true leader during this poisonous season of doom, a season where ALL knew that Capers had reached the end of the line.

Look at Carr's one-on-one JUKE and TD run against the Saints a few seasons back. Look at Carr manning up and getting the TD at home against Jacksonville on 4th down by jumping up and over the pile as time expired. Look at Carr racing down the field after coming back from shoulder injury, gaining HUGE yardage and re-injuring his shoulder again. Look at Carr this season running for first downs when no receiver was open. Look at Carr swatting his o linemen on the rear and on the helmet and saying, "It's OK..." on Sunday night football this season when the o line looked like a screen door on a submarine. Who wouldn't throw their hands up? Who wouldn't, from time to time, just make an ugly face after a receiver drops a perfect pass with no defender around them...on a key third down for pete's sake?

What we've just witnessed is the exit of a great "foundational" head coach...a guy who started strong but whose coaching style on both defense and offense has pretty much thrusted us into a new era.

And this new era is one in which a whole new coaching staff will rally behind a guy like Carr who is more than capable of making some plays. Don't think for one second that it's lost on Dan Reeves AND Kubiak that Carr called the plays in one half and set a franchise record for points in a half, am I correct? And the next half, the stats looked pretty dismal for a coaching staff who called the plays and got the same old sad results as they have this whole season when they were calling the plays and acting as if Carr was a baby who couldn't do it on his own or do the majority of it himself, at least.

Man, it was Bush-Bush-Bush-Bush-Bush-Bush forever around here.

And over the past few dyas it has been Young-Young-Young-Young-Young-Young.

I guess in a few days it's going to be Bush-Young-Bush-Young-Bush-Young.

I'm in camp No. 3 that says "Trade the pick and get the 'Brick."

Let's see what Carr can do. I still have faith in him.
 
tulexan said:
Not only that, but if Darnell Bing didn't get called for facemask, then who knows what would have happened. They would have had 4th and 5 on the 30 yard line rather than 1st and 10 from the 25.
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Are you crazy?? if he didn't grab the face mask, he'd have been drug to the 15. Well, actually we'll never ever know, because he did grab the face mask, thereby gaining an unfair advantage. IMO, it was more than the 5 yard variety, but that's ok.
 
Hulk75 said:
If you mean by leader to be a class act guy on and off the field and is always staying possative, a guy that gives the team and media all the time they want to spend with him, claps his hands and says "lets go" when things get bad and is the guy that breaks the huddle with a word of encouragement before the game then yes he is a leader of this team.

I would hate to hear what your idea of a leader is.
And if it is wins then you will have to waite a while because they have not givin him anything to work with yet.
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To be a good leader, every now and again, your going to have to be the bad guy. Someone needs to get into the face of the Houston Texans and say "I won't allow you to loose another game" It should be the coach, but I really think he stopped trying a long time ago.

I don't know if Vince has got that, But I know when the game is on the line, His team mates look at him. "Vince, I can't hold this guy..... He's to fast.. I need help" Vince says, "push him wide right, and don't worry, I got you"

Right now, Our guys are looking for someone to help them, but on the field, their ain't no one.
 
Amen why put even more money on 2 rookies who look snazzy in college you know what word raises doubt about me when people talk about reggie bush? "DYNAMIC" When people say that I recall

Michael vick the "DYNAMIC" QB who still hasnt put the whole package after 5 seasons in the NFL...

Leonard Davis the "DYNAMIC" Left tackle who has played RG for 3 seasons with the Cardinals..

Sean Taylor the "DYNAMIC" Safety for the redskins who has had a few flashes of brilliance, but offseason distractions and some poor decisions have kinda dwindled his stock..

Charles Rogers the "DYNAMIC" wideout who after 3 years still has yet to play a full season of NFL football.

It seems like DYNAMIC players tend to have flashes of greatness at the most but cannot compete with the monotanus standard which great players come from. Dynamic players are the best athletes you have ever seen, but usually have injuries that hinder them from being all time greats...

Bo Jackson, Gale Sayers, Ernie Brown, Al Toon, Andre Rison are a few others that could have been great but injuries stopped them from reaching their full potential..
 
gpshafer_1976 said:
Drum roll please........

Carr did pretty dadgum well his first three seasons in terms of leading and taking the franchise onto his shoulders.

He, along with THE REST OF THIS TEAM, gave up on the coaching staff and its philosophy at the conclusion of last season's Cleveland game at home...the game that was the straw that broke the Carr's back. And there isn't anybody on this team or any other team who could have been a true leader during this poisonous season of doom, a season where ALL knew that Capers had reached the end of the line.

Look at Carr's one-on-one JUKE and TD run against the Saints a few seasons back. Look at Carr manning up and getting the TD at home against Jacksonville on 4th down by jumping up and over the pile as time expired. Look at Carr racing down the field after coming back from shoulder injury, gaining HUGE yardage and re-injuring his shoulder again. Look at Carr this season running for first downs when no receiver was open. Look at Carr swatting his o linemen on the rear and on the helmet and saying, "It's OK..." on Sunday night football this season when the o line looked like a screen door on a submarine. Who wouldn't throw their hands up? Who wouldn't, from time to time, just make an ugly face after a receiver drops a perfect pass with no defender around them...on a key third down for pete's sake?

What we've just witnessed is the exit of a great "foundational" head coach...a guy who started strong but whose coaching style on both defense and offense has pretty much thrusted us into a new era.

And this new era is one in which a whole new coaching staff will rally behind a guy like Carr who is more than capable of making some plays. Don't think for one second that it's lost on Dan Reeves AND Kubiak that Carr called the plays in one half and set a franchise record for points in a half, am I correct? And the next half, the stats looked pretty dismal for a coaching staff who called the plays and got the same old sad results as they have this whole season when they were calling the plays and acting as if Carr was a baby who couldn't do it on his own or do the majority of it himself, at least.

Man, it was Bush-Bush-Bush-Bush-Bush-Bush forever around here.

And over the past few dyas it has been Young-Young-Young-Young-Young-Young.

I guess in a few days it's going to be Bush-Young-Bush-Young-Bush-Young.

I'm in camp No. 3 that says "Trade the pick and get the 'Brick."

Let's see what Carr can do. I still have faith in him.
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^5, man.
 
Hulk75 said:
If you mean by leader to be a class act guy on and off the field and is always staying possative, a guy that gives the team and media all the time they want to spend with him, claps his hands and says "lets go" when things get bad and is the guy that breaks the huddle with a word of encouragement before the game then yes he is a leader of this team.

I would hate to hear what your idea of a leader is.
And if it is wins then you will have to waite a while because they have not givin him anything to work with yet.
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Carr isn't a leader...If he was such a great leader like you say he is, don't you think more players would have come forth and supported their "leader"...With all this speculation going about with reggie bush, vince young, Carrs option...Great leaders don't have these debates...You think that if Mack Brown wanted to sit VY, any guys would come forth...Heck Jake the snake would get more team support than Carr...To be a leader you need the respect of your teamates, otherwise who are you leading?
 
outofhnd said:
Amen why put even more money on 2 rookies who look snazzy in college you know what word raises doubt about me when people talk about reggie bush? "DYNAMIC" When people say that I recall

Michael vick the "DYNAMIC" QB who still hasnt put the whole package after 5 seasons in the NFL...

Leonard Davis the "DYNAMIC" Left tackle who has played RG for 3 seasons with the Cardinals..

Sean Taylor the "DYNAMIC" Safety for the redskins who has had a few flashes of brilliance, but offseason distractions and some poor decisions have kinda dwindled his stock..

Charles Rogers the "DYNAMIC" wideout who after 3 years still has yet to play a full season of NFL football.

It seems like DYNAMIC players tend to have flashes of greatness at the most but cannot compete with the monotanus standard which great players come from. Dynamic players are the best athletes you have ever seen, but usually have injuries that hinder them from being all time greats...

Bo Jackson, Gale Sayers, Ernie Brown, Al Toon, Andre Rison are a few others that could have been great but injuries stopped them from reaching their full potential..
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So your philosophy is to pick the WORST player and hope for the best ?
 
Hulk75 said:
If you mean by leader to be a class act guy on and off the field and is always staying possative
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You can't possibly be talking about David Carr. I've watched him rip at his chin strap, angrily spike the ball, and hang is head down way too many times to think that he's a leader who inspires other players (or the fans).

I haven't really been very down on David Carr over this season, given all of the coaching defects I blamed - and I think he will improve greatly with better coaching. But I wouldn't call him a leader.
 
gpshafer_1976 said:
Drum roll please........

Carr did pretty dadgum well his first three seasons in terms of leading and taking the franchise onto his shoulders.

He, along with THE REST OF THIS TEAM, gave up on the coaching staff and its philosophy at the conclusion of last season's Cleveland game at home...the game that was the straw that broke the Carr's back. And there isn't anybody on this team or any other team who could have been a true leader during this poisonous season of doom, a season where ALL knew that Capers had reached the end of the line.
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If any of this is true, then I definitely want hime gone. Don't like what the coach is doing, when it's your time in the huddle, call the play you want..... kinda like what peyton does. It isn't that hard to do, especially if you have a number of players with the same attitude. You want the coach out of there, you can do like Kobe did, and get you an a new coach.

I honestly don't think our team sucked, because the guys gave up on their coach. That''s not what a leader should do, lay down like that...
 
gpshafer_1976 said:
Drum roll please........

Carr did pretty dadgum well his first three seasons in terms of leading and taking the franchise onto his shoulders.

He, along with THE REST OF THIS TEAM, gave up on the coaching staff and its philosophy at the conclusion of last season's Cleveland game at home...the game that was the straw that broke the Carr's back. And there isn't anybody on this team or any other team who could have been a true leader during this poisonous season of doom, a season where ALL knew that Capers had reached the end of the line.
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And contrast this with the quarterback who INSPIRED his coach to become a better coach - a championship coach.
 
I dont know about that, but you definitely shouldn't give up because you and the coaches aren't seeing eye to eye...Don't make exscuses for DC...No one makes exscuses for the o-line
 
I don't even know what to say........

The pro-Bush camp hates on DD, or at the very "best" says that an extra RB will help us all the way around.

The pro-Young camp hates on Carr, or at the very "best" says that Young on the bench and Carr on the chopping block will help us all the way around.

But there's very few here who are passionately defending the talent that we HAVE drafted in the first round, the guys who are talented and who have earned their keep thus far.

Instead, it's Bush and/or Young who is the "REAL" deal and who will be a for-sure Pro-Bowler and franchise savior.

So next year, we'll see posts and threads about how the next big draft prospect who won the Heisman or won the championship game is definitely the guy we need to put us over the top. Right?

And the Texans, in four seasons, have YET to spend a first round draft pick on an offensive lineman. I guess in FOUR YEARS of drafts, there has yet to be an offensive lineman worth taking in one of the first 32 draft picks?

Two offensive playmakers: Carr and AJ (both first rounders)

Two defensive players: Dunta and TJ (both first rounders)

And hopefully, this draft will be a draft where we see a first round pick of an o lineman worth taking in the top 5. A left-side anchor for this team to build around and get some respect back.
 
xtruroyaltyx said:
So your philosophy is to pick the WORST player and hope for the best ?
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No my philosophy is pick the player who people say "Has great fundamentals" or Consistent performer who will have a long career in the NFL,

Jerome Bettis, Curtis Martin, Emmitt Smith, Troy Aikman, Anthony Munoz, Tony Boselli, Brett Favre.. They were not deemed DYNAMIC... to me DYNAMIC is basically saying has athletic gifts that you cant really exploit at the pro level on a consistent basis.. To me it means he will be marginally effective not someone who will be a consistent top tier performer, and pro Bowler...

So what I am saying is Pick DBRick who has great fundamentals and should have a long career instead of Reggie Bush Who could be a flash in the pan running back who never reaches his full potential..
 
Who's earned their keep ? Not DD Not The QB and Not 10 guys on defense...Three players have earned their keep...AJ, D-rob, And Mathis...Not Mr. I couldn't lead if I had Too, and mr. 1000 yards aint what it used to be...Honestly, even if we don't get Bush or Young this year, I think you all should look out for those guys to get replaced in the very near future...
 
Honoring Earl 34 said:
:tv: Watching players in a game is like watching my kids at the playground you know pretty quick who's the neat kid ,who's the nerd kid getting picked last , who's going to get picked on .
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Speculation? Yes. Intuition? Yes. DC has not shown anything tangibly or intangibly that could possibly deem as a leader.
 
Like I said, I'd like Carr to be a Texan for life, but Vince is the one player that can improve our team. We don't need to get three Offensive Linemen who will have to learn to play quick....... we can get one, who can be groomed.
And we've got an opportunity to take him. We've got a new Coach coming in, you're foolish to think we aren't going into rebuilding. I'd rather build around Vince, than to try to rebuild around Carr. I'd rather rebuild around a Quarterback, than to rebuild around a running back. No offense to Bush. If we didn't have DD, VM, and JW, it'd be a little harder decision. But now, we've got to bite the bullet, and let Carr go to someone else. Of course we won't give him away. We'll get compensated pretty well, it'll hurt us money wise for a little while, but I'm sure we'll be ok.
 
"If any of this is true, then I definitely want hime gone. Don't like what the coach is doing, when it's your time in the huddle, call the play you want..... kinda like what peyton does. It isn't that hard to do, especially if you have a number of players with the same attitude. You want the coach out of there, you can do like Kobe did, and get you an a new coach.

I honestly don't think our team sucked, because the guys gave up on their coach. That''s not what a leader should do, lay down like that..." -- thunderkyss

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You'd never make it in the military with this mindset. You'd never make it in a real jobplace environment with this mindset. You don't cut someone's throat to get your own way.

Kobe? You're touting Kobe as a model of excellent leadership? Pardon me for a sec, but that guy is FAILING badly. He's pretty much the joke of the league right now. No way is this a guy who should be held up on a pedestal for even his on-court theatrics, let alone his personal life. Yeah, he's a champion. LOL.

Peyton is a company man. Carr is a company man. Two different companies, ran by two different people. One boss allows the QB to improvise. Another coach didn't allow ONE BIT of improvisation until Dan Reeves stepped onto the scene. Think that was a mere coincidence? Not.

Heck, call me what you want or act like I'm a fool all you want...but I respect the heck out of Carr and all the other players for that matter for NOT throwing capers under the bus like they do in Oakland and Detroit.

Yeah, I'll stand on that: Carr is a respectable leader. And I doubt he loses sleep over what Thunderkyss says about him.
 
"to me DYNAMIC is basically saying has athletic gifts that you cant really exploit at the pro level on a consistent basis.. "


wtf??

a dynamic player would be someone like Randy Moss, LT, Terrell Owens.. a guy that is explosive and can go the distance at any moment. he makes defenses CHANGE their gameplans just for him.

how could you possibly interpret dynamic as being a negative label?
 
outofhnd said:
No my philosophy is pick the player who people say "Has great fundamentals" or Consistent performer who will have a long career in the NFL,

Jerome Bettis, Curtis Martin, Emmitt Smith, Troy Aikman, Anthony Munoz, Tony Boselli, Brett Favre.. They were not deemed DYNAMIC... to me DYNAMIC is basically saying has athletic gifts that you cant really exploit at the pro level on a consistent basis.. To me it means he will be marginally effective not someone who will be a consistent top tier performer, and pro Bowler...

outofhnd said:
1) Judge for yourself, why are you using other peoples opinions?
2)Tony Boselli ?
3) Have you seen D'brick play Vs. Watching anybody else in the top ten play ?
You couldn't have...About 5 of the OT's coming out this year are about equal...some want winston, some want D'brick...if we aren't gettin Young or Bush then personally I'd rather have A.J hawk, or someone else to help defense...I believe that we can still get quality o-line in the later rounds...
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xtruroyaltyx said:
Who's earned their keep ? Not DD Not The QB and Not 10 guys on defense...Three players have earned their keep...AJ, D-rob, And Mathis...Not Mr. I couldn't lead if I had Too, and mr. 1000 yards aint what it used to be...Honestly, even if we don't get Bush or Young this year, I think you all should look out for those guys to get replaced in the very near future...
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uhhhh...... what?? DD earned his spot as a starter just as much as AJ has. Half our offense comes because of DD's feet, even after missing a few games.
 
That's "assuming" someone else doesn't snatch the top o line prospects before we get to them.

Teams like Patriots, Steelers, and others who avoid the Detroit Lions and Cleveland Browns draft philosophy (like yours, by the way) that says "Go get the most-hyped QB/WR/RB available! Nobody can stop you if you do!"

The ugly pick (an o lineman, for example) is just never as fun as the sexy pick who will be the franchise's savior, eh? :bomb:
 
thunderkyss said:
uhhhh...... what?? DD earned his spot as a starter just as much as AJ has. Half our offense comes because of DD's feet, even after missing a few games.
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He's earned his spot for now just as every other sorry person on the team...simply because there is no one better...DD hasn't earned anything with speculation of Bush coming aboard...If there is speculation that someone else may come in and take your spot or give you a run for it...IMO that spot isn't sewed up....no one would dare think of replacing AJ or D-Rob...Everyone else is expendable and as far as half our offense coming through DD ...Have you ever heard the phrase "in the land of the blind the one eyed running back is king"
 
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