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Moulds Trade Official
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kiwitexansfan
Hall of Fame
TexanSam said:
i definitely don't like giving up a high 3rd in a strong draft for a 33yr old.
Especially if he wants a big pay day still.
Porky
Hall of Fame
bdiddy said:
I hope we get r done. But, if the Eagles are offering a 6th, why the heck don't we offer a 5th? Why go two rounds higher. I would do it for a 4th if needed, but I MUCH prefer giving up our 5th. That first pick on day 2 can have some real value, especially as trade bait. Either way, he is worth it. We would have one of the better WR tandems in the league, and our overall skill position players as a group would be one of the best in the NFL. I'm already feeling Mouldy!
uhcougar08
SHSUKATS08
johnny_tlmn said:Still shorter than Philly. But once again a plus for him comin' to this great organization of winners.
What is that red flag for? Dude, your not making any friends here. You sure you are not a Cowboy fan?
Texans34Life
I BLEED TEXANS!
Update -
Eagles | Team has some level of interest in Moulds
Tue, 28 Mar 2006 19:52:35 -0800
Bob Brookover, of the Philadelphia Inquirer, reports the Philadelphia Eagles have some level of interest in Buffalo Bills WR Eric Moulds, but that the wide receiver's representatives initiated the conversations with the team rather than the other way around, according to a league source. Greg Johnson, who represents Moulds along with agent Harry Henderson, said the wide receiver's first choice is Philadelphia. Though the Bills are trying to trade Moulds, it's far more likely that they'll release him before they have to pay a $1 million roster bonus in July.
Eagles | Team has some level of interest in Moulds
Tue, 28 Mar 2006 19:52:35 -0800
Bob Brookover, of the Philadelphia Inquirer, reports the Philadelphia Eagles have some level of interest in Buffalo Bills WR Eric Moulds, but that the wide receiver's representatives initiated the conversations with the team rather than the other way around, according to a league source. Greg Johnson, who represents Moulds along with agent Harry Henderson, said the wide receiver's first choice is Philadelphia. Though the Bills are trying to trade Moulds, it's far more likely that they'll release him before they have to pay a $1 million roster bonus in July.
Texans Pride
Veteran
bdiddy said:
Pure speculation as to what the teams are offering or pure speculation regarding when a deal will be done by? Are the numbers you are showing factual or your opinion? Thanks for the clarification!
kcwilson
Rookie
Texans Pride said:
As to what teams are offering I am sure... The amounts may be off, but in theory the fact hat the Texans have been offering more than anyone I have heard. There haven't been any numbers really publicized because ultimately, he'll be released and we can probably grab him with a sweeter offer. And if you were a playr facing release, would you want the team you are going to to give up a additional draft choice if you could just sign there in a short while anyways?
Why send yourself to an organization and cost your team when you could likely go for free and potentially help out your team with the additional pick?
Koolbrz
Waterboy
I say we go after J. Walker. He is younger than Moulds and A far more talented reciever. What ever they are planning on paying him, (Moulds) , they should throw out at Walker and see what he thinks. He is from Galveston and might like the fact that AJ is on the other side of the field. Defenses will not be able to double team either guy. Heck, they do not have to be #1 and #2. They can both be #1's. What a tandem!! If they could pull this off that is.
The way I read it, if he wants to go to Philly, he goes there. The Eagles, wisely, are seeing how much it is worth it to him to be an Eagle. There's not much the Texans can do if he's willing to leave a substantial amount of $ on the table to be an Eagle.
It doesn't sound like the Eagles wanted him that bad to begin with, though.
If it's true that Moulds' camp wants to get this over within 2 days, that's great. Much better than having to wait until July when that bonus is due.
Another item is how much are the Texans guaranteeing versus what the Eagles are guaranteeing. Sure, I see above a rumor that the Eagles are offering $10.5 mil while the Texans are offering $15.5 mil, both over 3 years. But how much of each of those offers is guaranteed?
Anyways, make up your mind already.
It doesn't sound like the Eagles wanted him that bad to begin with, though.
If it's true that Moulds' camp wants to get this over within 2 days, that's great. Much better than having to wait until July when that bonus is due.
Another item is how much are the Texans guaranteeing versus what the Eagles are guaranteeing. Sure, I see above a rumor that the Eagles are offering $10.5 mil while the Texans are offering $15.5 mil, both over 3 years. But how much of each of those offers is guaranteed?
Anyways, make up your mind already.
Koolbrz
Waterboy
TEXANS84 said:
Walker is younger, Moulds is what 33 yrs old. Who would you rather have, besides he is coming off of a season ending injury. He will want to be paid, but i don't think it will be for Burleson type money. I don't see anyone willing to give a player coming back from a serious injury that kind of money. Heck we can offer what they offered D. Givens. He just might accept. Compared to what he is getting now, which is peanuts, he might do it. (accept the offer)
Section 620
Practice Squad
Hoth-Boy said:
Walker does not appear to be an option any longer:brickwall
Texans Pride
Veteran
Both sides are having a face off right now....Someone is going to budge. I don't think Walker will be playing in Green Bay this year.
Señor Stan
El Guapo
You would think that the Eagles have had enough of disgruntled 32 year old receivers who are demanding trades.
Speculation...The press is on the Eagles right now. That's where Moulds wants to go. They know that and are probably lowballing him. That's where the Texans come in. Moulds needs a credible threat and if the Texans are offering more $, he's got that. Hence the mention of the 48 hour window for a decision. Moulds has to force the Eagles' hand.
In the end, I don't see a good resolution for the Texans. They are likely being used at the moment. The only way they can trump it is if they raise their offer. But at some point they will encounter the winner's curse.
In the end, I don't see a good resolution for the Texans. They are likely being used at the moment. The only way they can trump it is if they raise their offer. But at some point they will encounter the winner's curse.
Mike Kerns
LYSB Podcast
Nothing new ?
.......We're getting Carlos Beltran'd, aren't we ?
.......We're getting Carlos Beltran'd, aren't we ?
jacquescas
Veteran
I think what is happening is Moulds tried to use us for leverage against the eagles and it backfired because the eagles didn't make a big push.
Now Moulds is deciding weather to come here or try and find another suitor.
my
is that he will be a Texan by the end of the week.
Now Moulds is deciding weather to come here or try and find another suitor.
my
is that he will be a Texan by the end of the week.
U4ikrob
Guitar Junky
Texans Pride said:
Agreed - I think he will be a june 1st cut if they cant get a trade worked out thats equitable. They think by playing hardball they will get him to back down like last year - but honestly if he sits out this year - hes an UFA next year and they get nada and he would still be a good receiver - IMO the GB FO is playing with fire and if they wait to long its them who is going to get burned on the deal and left holding the bag and gettign nada. Esp with the Favre situation - it looks like they will be loosing there starting QB and oen of their best WR's.
the nfl network adam sheftner reported on nfl.com that he doesn't believe a trade will be worked out...he sayed that buffalo is looking for a 4th round pick or higher and none of the teams interested seem to be willing to give that high of a pick up...he believes moulds will be released soon however and he said the mostly likely place is either phili or houston...geez that was news to me it's down to those two cities
jacquescas
Veteran
i have to admit it would be a total coup if he were released and he signed here and we didn't have to give up anything but the money.
AtheGreat
Waterboy
jacquescas said:
that would be nice, but not likely to happen. The bills are gonna try to scrounge out something here and their only hope is a later-round pick. For once, though, i do hope money is whats a priority. Throw us a bone Eric, come to Houston!
Oh, and by the way, I'd like just about everyone who posted to give themselves a pat on the back. No VY or RB posts!!
Texans_Chick
Utopian Dreamer
nunusguy said:
Link: This guy believes Moulds will probably not go to the Eagles
I believe that if we haven't already worked out something with Moulds and the Bills, then a trade just isn't gonna happen and that Moulds is just gonna be released to seek his own deal.
GhostRaider2006
Waterboy
Just out of curiosity why does everyone think Mould's is going to get more money from the Eagles. From listening to Philly's fans and reading their papers the last couple of days I have come to the understanding that that they don't have that much money left to spend (by the way their fans talk it seems they have less than us at this point) and that their owner isn't in any way going to give Mould the contract he wants. If that is the case the only reason I could see Mould's going to the Eagles is because they are closer to going to the super bowl than we are.
coachdent
Waterboy
scarsdale said:
Houston will not trade one single pick. Which they shouldn't. The Moulds issue is not about picks, it's about what he will sign for. He is not a Bill because he wants $5 million per. Not happening. Older, smaller receiver. No one is going to give him that. If they do, it is way overpriced.
Buffalo is not meeting his number. So why would you trade anything for him? You won't have to give up a mouthpiece to get him.
The Eagles believe in a pretty firm model in terms of how they slot people on the payroll. Wide receiver is not a value position for them. They think you invest in offensive and defensive line, your quarterback, a versitile running back, defensive backs, then WR, then linebacker. They pay accordingly.
T.O. was the anomaly. When you have the opportunity to get the best WR in the NFL, you go off your script a bit. They did. T.O. was a bit of problem, that has been documented. But if you look at the Eagles stance, it was the right one. Look at what happened in Dallas? T.O. signs and immediately Glenn is up the office saying, "I want my money". So Dallas blatantly overpays for an aging receiver who is injury prone because they don't want to rock the boat.
Philly was burned by this before and they aren't going down that road. They definitely will not give up a pick with this stance. Not a chance. There aren't really any other teams involved.
The Texans can play hardball with the numbers and come in with a resonable number. Moulds would make a fine addition, but it needs to be a smooth transition and it can't wreck our salary structure.
coachdent
Waterboy
GhostRaider2006 said:
Moulds doesn't want a Super Bowl. He wants money.
Philly has money. Over $20 million under the cap. However, the management sticks to their guns, resigns their coveted players and leave themselves with options. Philly fans want them to sign every free agent, regardless of cost. They see $20 million and think the Eagles are cheap. They don't see the problems that come with signing players for overblown and outrageous salaries. They can come back to bite you.
Bearfan Blue and Orange
Waterboy
If you look at it from Moulds point of view, he is negotiating his final contract. he is entering his 11th year in the NFL and that is a milestone in itself. he is looking for his final big pay day
We all know it cannot be the yearly salary as much as it is the guaranteed money from the signing bonus and other bonus' in his negotiations because he could get cut after his second year of a 4 year contract.
he is on the downside of a great career.
We all know it cannot be the yearly salary as much as it is the guaranteed money from the signing bonus and other bonus' in his negotiations because he could get cut after his second year of a 4 year contract.
he is on the downside of a great career.
GhostRaider2006
Waterboy
coachdent said:
This is what I have been hearing all week from most of the Philly fans on the boards I have been on and the online papers I have read. Most Philly fans that I have chatted with are of the opinion that Moulds will be lucky to get 3 to 3.5 million out of the Eagles if they sign him because their management is tight with money when it comes to certain positions. Hell they lowballed Runyan (a player that was very valuable to them) and ended up losing him.
Our odds are begining to look better and better of getting Moulds. After listening to what everyone is saying about how philly isnt going to pay him the money that he wants. OUr chances are looking good. This might work out for us, because our offense is going to be explosive as is without moulds. We will have a revamped O-line. Our quarterback will have the coaching that he needs. We will have one of the most electric rookies in the league. And we have Putz, and Walters to help out AJ. Not to mention the one man wrecking crew D. Davis.
jacquescas
Veteran
even better that they retained Runyan. Less money for moulds
GhostRaider2006
Waterboy
Rubix Kube said:
Well isn't my face red. I'm just going by what the fans where saying and I happend to learn that little (incorrect) nugget from their ESPN Board. Looks like I need to research better instead of taing everyones word at face value from now on.
coachdent
Waterboy
See? This is where Eagle fans are off base and out of touch when they say the Eagles are cheap. They pay for the quality at the big positions. No one is saying that they were cheap with Donovan. Nor were they cheap with Runyan. They weren't cheap with him when they outbid Tennessee, and they weren't cheap with him now. They paid big bucks for Kearse. They paid better than average money for Westbrook.
They rightly denied paying Trotter big bucks. He went to Washington, stunk and the Eagles resigned him for proper dollars. Everyone wanted them to pay Hugh Douglas on the downside of his career. They didn't. Douglas bolted. Fans cried. Douglas stunk and retired. The fans cried over them losing Brian Mitchell to the Giants. The Giants went Waaaaaay overboard paying for an over the hill kickoff retuner who could do nothing else. Eagle fans reacted as if the pope had been shot! Where is Brian now?
They are smart with their money.
They rightly denied paying Trotter big bucks. He went to Washington, stunk and the Eagles resigned him for proper dollars. Everyone wanted them to pay Hugh Douglas on the downside of his career. They didn't. Douglas bolted. Fans cried. Douglas stunk and retired. The fans cried over them losing Brian Mitchell to the Giants. The Giants went Waaaaaay overboard paying for an over the hill kickoff retuner who could do nothing else. Eagle fans reacted as if the pope had been shot! Where is Brian now?
They are smart with their money.
GhostRaider2006
Waterboy
I believe so!! LOLRubix Kube said:Is it Battle Red?
I completly understand as I would too.
We offered Givens 5/$18.5. So the maximum for Moulds should be about 3/$12, right? Only problem is Glenn just got himself 5/$20 (not sure how much is guaranteed), so we might end up paying Moulds more than we offered Givens. The market for vet receivers has been more receptive than expected.
GhostRaider2006
Waterboy
Dr. Toro said:
I agree where ever he signs it wil probably be in the 3.5 to 4 million dollar range. If not for Glenn there would have been a good chance at getting him for 3 million a year but after that contract I don't think thats realistically a possibilty anymore.
Bearfan Blue and Orange
Waterboy
stevo3883 said:
But he will not be used as a #1 WR here in Houston. Therefore, how can you justify paying a guy that much money for #2 WR. I think I would be PSSD OFF if I was AJ and had a guy coming in making large money when I am the future of the Texans and he is #2 and will not be here more than 2 years.