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"Matt Schaub gives Texans best chance to win in 2014" -Marshall Faulk
- Thread starter Nitrofish
- Start date
Playoffs
Hall of Fame
I have always had the theory that Schaubs biomechanics are inherently imbalanced, and therefore unstable. I base this on the postural misalignment evident in all of his team photos. Im sure some of you have noticed it too, but Ive never seen a discussion here on how it could affect his mechanics.
In the pictures below, the yellow lines are a square X and Y axis anchored in the center of the collarbone. The vertical blue line is the diverted angle of the cervical spine (neck) from the Y axis. Halfway through the vertical blue line, there is one vector point where it changes direction back to 0 degrees, indicating a compensatory tilt in the head. The vector point is placed at the base of the nose since that is approximately where the base of the skull meets the spine.
In figure 1, the horizontal blue line follows the estimated tilt in the collarbone. The tilt is only estimated since the jersey conceals the necessary reference points to track it accurately.
Figure 2 confirms that the misalignment on a younger Schaub to indicate that it has always been present.
Below, the figure on the left illustrates how his neck is tilting, and how the head tilts to compensate. On the right is an example of a neck with a normal vertical angle.
With a neck diverted to that degree, one would expect a compensatory curvature in the thoracic (middle) and lumbar (lower) spine. This often results in a tilting of the collarbone and pelvis, which would cause one arm to drop lower, and one leg to strike the ground harder when running. Below is an example of how a tilted neck is an indication of compensatory misalignments throughout the rest of the skeletal frame. Notice the pelvic tilt from horizontal.
Figure 1 indicated that Schaubs collarbone and shoulders are apparently within a normal range of the X axis. Since I could not find any other team photos from mid-torso to compare to figure 1, I used the photo in figure 3 below, then emphasized the negative (black) space in figure 4 to demonstrate how uneven the shoulders hang. Also note differences in the shapes of the negative space around the neck.
For contrast, lets look at the alignment of a random teammate, TJ Yates. His neck alignment isnt perfect, but its about the best you could expect from anyone, much less a football player. Considering the daily effects of sitting on the bench, hunching over film study, and lurking on Texans Talk, TJs doing pretty good here. This cervical alignment is Texans worthy.
Question 1: Assuming that Schaubs frame is as imbalanced as Im theorizing, why does that mean his mechanics are unstable? That is because a quarterback throw is a motion of the entire body, much like boxing or baseball pitching. If you have ever taken boxing, you know that a good instructor coaches you on the form of your entire body to achieve an efficient transfer of energy from the planting toe to the fist. Power and accuracy are lost if your mechanics are inefficient.
Question 2: What makes me an expert on biomechanics? Not much. Im presenting data, and this is my conclusion. I also have spinal misalignment, and my X-rays confirm a tilt in my collarbone and hips. It does not prohibit weight training, but long distance running is painful. Since I notice the imbalance in my own posture, I notice it in other people too.
Question 3: Is it possible that I am projecting my own spinal condition onto Schaub? Possibly, but from what Ive researched, compensatory misalignments in the spine follow a predictable trend. I've never seen a case of only a crooked neck without a compensatory curve in the thoracic or lumbar spine. Also, this fact is revealing to me: I would not have been able to play football due risk of back or hip injury, but Schaubs degree of misalignment is worse than mine.
Question 4: Why wasnt Schaubs mechanical imbalance a prohibitive factor before 2013? Because Schaub is a hard worker who overcame any mechanical issues during his developmental years. My theory asserts that his mechanics were only unstable, not consistently unreliable. Today, his mechanics are deteriorated because he is planting on a foot that is sending slightly inaccurate messages to his head. That is what this all comes down to: The foot isnt doing exactly what his brain thinks it is, and his coordination can no longer compensate for the imbalanced mechanics.
So there is my theory. It is founded more on my experience and observations than on academic study, so take it for what it's worth. I also look forward to CnD either confirming or shredding it.
Just having some, didn't mean to trash your post that you obviously put some time into.
Bringing it forward... maybe Dr CND will comment.
Brisco_County
Apples and roadmaps
Just having some, didn't mean to trash your post that you obviously put some time into.
Bringing it forward... maybe Dr CND will comment.
No worries, I asked because it was funny. And don't worry about trashing my post -- that's one of the reasons why I posted it. I want it to be critiqued or challenged.
Nitrofish
Let The Big Fish Eat!
Too late, I saw what you posted. I do not "take personal offense any time Schaub is critiqued" Why is it that you all have this obsession with Schaub? You accuse me of being the one with an obsession, or love affair, or whatever ridiculous label you try to pin on me, but I am not the one posting this kind of comedy.
You say in your post you "want it to be critiqued or challenged", but just not by me? WTF?
Brisco_County
Apples and roadmaps
So you caught my ninja edit. I edited it for two reasons. 1) I realized that I could've misinterpreted your tone and your reasons for critiquing it, and 2) I shouldn't care about your reasons and I should just accept your critique.
Regarding our perceived "obsession" with Schaub: This is a thread about Matt Schaub.
Regarding your sensitivity on the subject: On one hand, it seems that you have a reactionary rejection to any criticism of Schaub. On the other hand, your posts provide a little counterbalance to all the nasty, unfair, and ungrateful posts about Schaub. So maybe I shouldn't contribute to discouraging that, but I would suggest attempting a little objectivity.
Nitrofish
Let The Big Fish Eat!
Great post, but Reactionary reaction? lol
Bro, that's how it works around here. Someone posts their opinion, or theory, and then someone reacts and retorts. It's just that I do not join the mob lynching of Schaub that it seems like I am being reactionary.
I have to ask. Why are my posts not objective, but anyone else' are? Because my post tend to lean towards support of the guy, who you correctly said "provide a little counterbalance to all the nasty, unfair, and ungrateful posts about Schaub"?
The sad thing is, even after he is gone, the same old Schaub bashing that has been going on in here for years will continue unabated. I think your post is fair and thoughtful, but I disagree with your assertion that I am not objective in my post.
HoustonFrog
Dallas Frog
Didn't know whether here or cap thread so both
From
@evansilva
Here's a rumor connecting Matt Schaub to the #Raiders. Schaub reportedly "has some fans in the organization": rotoworld.com/player/nfl/16/…
4:53pm - 3 Feb 14
http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/16/matt-schaub
From
@evansilva
Here's a rumor connecting Matt Schaub to the #Raiders. Schaub reportedly "has some fans in the organization": rotoworld.com/player/nfl/16/…
4:53pm - 3 Feb 14
http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/16/matt-schaub
Allstar
Bona fide
I'd be surprised if Schaub can't get a job where he can at least compete for a starting spot.
Schaub will definitely be a starter next season. He had a bad season, but until he has another one, 2013 was an aberration. He hasn't been this bad before. He's not clutch and he is not elite, but he is better than at least 1/3 of the starters in the league if he can move past this last season and get to his previous self.
TheIronDuke
All Pro
Schaub's been regressing since his injury, what makes you think he'll not only get better with age but also that his injury won't be more impactful as he gets older? He's played horrible since the last quarter of 2012.
kiwitexansfan
Hall of Fame
/thread
BullNation4Life
All Pro
wait! wait! wait!
does this sound familiar to ANYBODY right now...
New HC comes in with lame duck QB and tells McNair, sure I can work with him, ONLY to cut his sorry ass the next year while taking a DE #1 (could happen) overall in the draft that year...
What was the definition of insanity because this is shaping up to look like
deja 'vu all over again. Did I just walk back into 2006?
Matt Schaub does not give you the best chance to win, because he is not a winner, period. Especially coming into a new system that O'Brien is installing.
Cut him, move on and either draft your next QB o trade for one, as long as that sum-mama B never puts on the #8 in a Texans uni I don't give a damn...
I think Marshall Faulk was hitting the ol' bong'o a little hard the day he said this....
does this sound familiar to ANYBODY right now...
New HC comes in with lame duck QB and tells McNair, sure I can work with him, ONLY to cut his sorry ass the next year while taking a DE #1 (could happen) overall in the draft that year...
What was the definition of insanity because this is shaping up to look like
deja 'vu all over again. Did I just walk back into 2006?
Matt Schaub does not give you the best chance to win, because he is not a winner, period. Especially coming into a new system that O'Brien is installing.
Cut him, move on and either draft your next QB o trade for one, as long as that sum-mama B never puts on the #8 in a Texans uni I don't give a damn...
I think Marshall Faulk was hitting the ol' bong'o a little hard the day he said this....
Norg
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
sometimes these older dudes older then Schaub have there one last hurrahhh
see Kerry Collins who led the titans to the #1 seed one time
kiwitexansfan
Hall of Fame
Degenerative injury, he isn't going to get better, just progressively less effective.
His peak performance potential is declining continiously, and his peak performance this year was not starter material.
Vinnie
with an I E
His last pass as a Texan was an interception. That's not just a current fact, that will be recorded history. He's done here folks, nothing more to see. Turn your post season angst elsewhere. Between cap hits, injuries and down right mediocre play throughout his career, he's done. Gary's project gone wrong. We've seen what happens to "Gary" guys with the new regime, they get axed. It's over, maybe for all of them, TJ & Keenum included. The draft and free agency will be fun!
Bulls on Parade
2017 Astros: Earn It!
I doubt it. At best I see him signing on with another team to compete for the backup spot. Perhaps the Baltimore Ravens would be a good fit for him. He can backup Joe Flacco and he's already familiar with Gary Kubiak's offense.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
Yeah and Gary Kubiak and his antiquated offense won't be getting a job either. Oh, wait...
Tell me more about this 1/3 of the league in 2013?
BullNation4Life
All Pro
I don't remember anybody ever saying that, at least as OC jobs go. In fact Gary is right where he should be, an OC...
I think Gary has far better tools at the QB spot, to work with in Baltimore than he ever did with the Texans. He will have success, Rice will look like what Foster did in Gary's offense. Pitta will be a Pro Bowl TE in Gary's offense...
Gary's offense worked, problem was he was too egotistic and stubborn to change the parts that didn't work and it ultimately got him fired...
Loyal to a fault...
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
Your memory is selective. Tons of people said Kubiak and for that matter Shanahan's offense was antiquated around here. Some folks said, no the QB position just cratered this season.
Some said Schaub cratered and Gary needed to change SOME parts of his offense. More deep balls for example. Less 3rd and 15 screens/draws.
Was the bootleg with Schaub scaring defenses? I know they scared me more than defenses. LOL
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
I am talking about one particular kind of statement which was made, not re-debating all of Schaub or Kubiak's existence.
Here from our owner:
This was not an uncommon opinion as the season progressed.
Nitrofish
Let The Big Fish Eat!
Agree with Cak, and in regards to the degenerative injury... with all due respect to the Doc, this is speculation. If this is true, and I am not saying it isn't, I suspect Schaub will not pass a physical, unless he is being brought in as a backup only, and even then, it would be too risky for a team to invest money in a player they know has a degenerative injury.
What did Doc have to say regarding the Ed Reed injury when it was discovered? Did he nail that one?
Yes, he did.
Nitrofish
Let The Big Fish Eat!
Wow, impressive! I would be interested to read that. Have the link?
HJam72
Hall of Fame
Duh. Dude could tell us right now whether Bridgewater or Manziel will have an injury their rookie year.
Somebody ask him........seriously...
Why not learn to use the search feature available on this forum?
HJam72
Hall of Fame
TheIronDuke
All Pro
You got a link for that?
Nitrofish
Let The Big Fish Eat!
There's a search function? You're such a helpful moderator.
lol
lol
I hate this thread. I gives Marshall Faulk way more credit than he deserves.
I think is one of the funniest I have ever seen on TexansTalk. Pure awesome, well done.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
I have always had the theory that Schaub’s biomechanics are inherently imbalanced, and therefore unstable. I base this on the postural misalignment evident in all of his team photos. I’m sure some of you have noticed it too, but I’ve never seen a discussion here on how it could affect his mechanics.
In the pictures below, the yellow lines are a square X and Y axis anchored in the center of the collarbone. The vertical blue line is the diverted angle of the cervical spine (neck) from the Y axis. Halfway through the vertical blue line, there is one vector point where it changes direction back to 0 degrees, indicating a compensatory tilt in the head. The vector point is placed at the base of the nose since that is approximately where the base of the skull meets the spine.
In figure 1, the horizontal blue line follows the estimated tilt in the collarbone. The tilt is only estimated since the jersey conceals the necessary reference points to track it accurately.
Figure 2 confirms that the misalignment on a younger Schaub to indicate that it has always been present.
Below, the figure on the left illustrates how his neck is tilting, and how the head tilts to compensate. On the right is an example of a neck with a normal vertical angle.
With a neck diverted to that degree, one would expect a compensatory curvature in the thoracic (middle) and lumbar (lower) spine. This often results in a tilting of the collarbone and pelvis, which would cause one arm to drop lower, and one leg to strike the ground harder when running. Below is an example of how a tilted neck is an indication of compensatory misalignments throughout the rest of the skeletal frame. Notice the pelvic tilt from horizontal.
Figure 1 indicated that Schaub’s collarbone and shoulders are apparently within a “normal” range of the X axis. Since I could not find any other team photos from mid-torso to compare to figure 1, I used the photo in figure 3 below, then emphasized the negative (black) space in figure 4 to demonstrate how uneven the shoulders hang. Also note differences in the shapes of the negative space around the neck.
For contrast, let’s look at the alignment of a random teammate, TJ Yates. His neck alignment isn’t perfect, but it’s about the best you could expect from anyone, much less a football player. Considering the daily effects of sitting on the bench, hunching over film study, and lurking on Texans Talk, TJ’s doing pretty good here. This cervical alignment is Texans worthy.
Question 1: Assuming that Schaub’s frame is as imbalanced as I’m theorizing, why does that mean his mechanics are unstable? That is because a quarterback throw is a motion of the entire body, much like boxing or baseball pitching. If you have ever taken boxing, you know that a good instructor coaches you on the form of your entire body to achieve an efficient transfer of energy from the planting toe to the fist. Power and accuracy are lost if your mechanics are inefficient.
Question 2: What makes me an expert on biomechanics? Not much. I’m presenting data, and this is my conclusion. I also have spinal misalignment, and my X-rays confirm a tilt in my collarbone and hips. It does not prohibit weight training, but long distance running is painful. Since I notice the imbalance in my own posture, I notice it in other people too.
Question 3: Is it possible that I am projecting my own spinal condition onto Schaub? Possibly, but from what I’ve researched, compensatory misalignments in the spine follow a predictable trend. I've never seen a case of only a crooked neck without a compensatory curve in the thoracic or lumbar spine. Also, this fact is revealing to me: I would not have been able to play football due risk of back or hip injury, but Schaub’s degree of misalignment is worse than mine.
Question 4: Why wasn’t Schaub’s mechanical imbalance a prohibitive factor before 2013? Because Schaub is a hard worker who overcame any mechanical issues during his developmental years. My theory asserts that his mechanics were only unstable, not consistently unreliable. Today, his mechanics are deteriorated because he is planting on a foot that is sending slightly inaccurate messages to his head. That is what this all comes down to: The foot isn’t doing exactly what his brain thinks it is, and his coordination can no longer compensate for the imbalanced mechanics.
So there is my theory. It is founded more on my experience and observations than on academic study, so take it for what it's worth. I also look forward to CnD either confirming or shredding it.
Adult scoliosis is quite common........up to 70% of the population depending on the definition assigned in individual studies. Scoliosis usually begins in the hip/lumbar areas and is compensated as you go up the body (with appearance of asymmetry as you have demonstrated in the shoulders, head and neck regions). The lesser scoliosis cases....~10 degrees are not usually appreciated by most people. The taller the subject, the more exaggerated the visual effect. As it gets closer to 25 degrees, it becomes more apparent. If the scoliosis has not reached 30 degrees by adolescence, it is unlikely to progress in adulthood. Now if we are talking about degenerative scoliosis, which either occurs within the older age group or trauma-induced degenerative scoliosis, it tends to progress at ~ 1 degree per year.
At which point are you usually restricted from playing sports? Usually it is not necessarily dependent on the degree of scoliosis unless grossly pathologic...........it is mostly dependent on the presence or absence of back pain during activities in question.
Nice presentation there, Brisco! Rep coming your way.
Nitrofish
Let The Big Fish Eat!
Add Bucky Brooks to the list of people who think "Fixing Schaub" is the best path for the Texans in 2014.
http://www.nfl.com/podcast/nfl-draft-tracker-podcast/1391629280000/detail
Forward to 8:10 to hear the Bucky Brooks comments, and then comment. But please try to be objective, and not just try to attack Brooks like you have Marshall Faulk's opinion.
http://www.nfl.com/podcast/nfl-draft-tracker-podcast/1391629280000/detail
Forward to 8:10 to hear the Bucky Brooks comments, and then comment. But please try to be objective, and not just try to attack Brooks like you have Marshall Faulk's opinion.
Great podcast, thanks for sharing.
As far as Schaub goes, I've never been a Schaub hater. I agree with what he is saying, but his cap number is crippling. I need him to take a big paycut. I'd be ok with putting in some performance based bonuses/accelerators, but his cap number has to come down. If he's not willing to take the cut we need, I've got to let him go.
We can count on you to scour the interwebs for Pro-Schaub comments.
First, Brooks was pro-Clowney. He felt the best way to "fix" the Texans was to make the defense dominant. And, he has a very good point. Then, he said that Schaub had been a Pro Bowl QB (which he was) and that O'Brien should look at the tape and determine if there's anything left to fix.
Which is fine. But, if he watches the Schaub of late 2012/2013, he would realize that Schaub is not fixable. Which again, brings up the question, what do the Texans do at QB? Later in the podcast, Charles Davis says don't be surprised if the Texans go for Blake Bortles, who looks like a good fit for what O'Brien looks for in a QB.'
So, Brooks never says that Schaub is fixable. Just that if he were, that would be the best path. Who believes that to be true? Matt, his mother, and you. So, the whole notion is based on a false premise.
Nitrofish
Let The Big Fish Eat!
I knew I could count on you to be the lead on this. I really love how you speak for not only ALL Texans fans, but apparently the entire world in regards to Matt Schaub. I mean this thread alone proves you wrong because of what Marshal Faulk said.
You are also clearly distorting what both I and Brooks said. I never said Schaub was fixable, but I will say it now. He is not as bad as you and others make him out to be. He had a bad half of a season, he has not fallen off the earth. The entire team had a bad season. It was not all on Schaub so get realistic and stop with the pontificating.
Clearly without using the words, both Brooks and Smith are implying that Schaub was recently a Pro Bowl caliber QB, and that the season was an aberration, not a trend, and that at least in Brooks' mind, Schaub is fixable. That it is advisable they fix whatever problem there is with the Veteran Schaub, which would allow them to select Clowney instead of a QB 1:1 which in Brook's opinion is the best way to make the Texans relevant in 2014. You notice they did not even mention Keenum as an option. If he did not think Schaub was an option he would not have said what he did, and he might have said you go with Keenum, or a veteran FA. He was clearly saying he thinks Schaub is serviceable for a quick turn around with the selection of Clowney instead of a Rookie QB. Why else mention Schaub at all?
"I'm going to get Jadeveon Clowney, I'm going to make sure that my defense is dominant. If we talk about that team being a top 5 defense, I want to put it at another level where that defense alone can win games, because the way that I look at it in the NFL, running game and the defense will get you to 8 or 9 wins, just on that.
A Good QB will take you to 11 or 12, and if you have a really good QB, you can win the deal. So, Matt Schaub was a Pro Bowl QB a few years ago, if I'm Bill O'Brien, I want to investigate and look at all the tapes and see if there is something I can fix in the established veteran, to allow him to play at a high level, because he has skins on the wall, he's played a ton of games in the NFL, he doesn't need an adjustment period to play well.
But if I can fortify that defense and make sure my running game is strong, that's the quickest way for my team The Houston Texans to get back to the top of the AFC south" -Bucky Brooks
The problem with your comments are that you believe that the entire planet thinks Schaub is done, not fixable, with the exception of Me, Matt and his Mom. That kind of Dogmatic talk reveals a lot about you and why you are so anal when it comes to discussions regarding Matt Schaub. Clearly guys like Marshall Faulk, and now Bucky Brooks disagree with you, and darn it, that just pisses you off doesn't it? Those guys are just crazy, and they have some agenda, right? I mean they should be talking about Keenum, or Manziel, not that noodle armed, washed up Schaub, right?
But yea, keep trying to put labels on me though, it really helps your argument and credibility.
Brooks never said that Schaub was fixable, but it should be investigated. "I want to investigate...." tells me he hasn't seen enough of Schaub recently. It hasn't been a 1/2 season, either. Schaub has thrown 13 TDs vs 19 INTs over the past 16 games. I'm pretty sure myself, and most of the fans on this forum have watched a hellofalot more of Matt Schaub and the Texans than Faulk or Brooks. We see that it is a trend and not an aberration that Schaub has declined to the point that he is no longer a winning QB (which he once was).
As far as being "anal" concerning Schaub, 144 or your 374 total posts contain the word "Schaub". It's pretty well known who is anal about what here.
I hate that Schaub got hurt. I actually thought he was good enough to win a SB in Houston. That ship has sailed. Wonder what it would take for Faulk/Brooks to think Schaub wasn't the best option for the Texans? 16 pick 6's?
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
Yup. I've spent plenty of time knocking down unwarranted or overblown attacks on Schaub over the years, but it has become clear he is no longer that QB. He's still capable of producing brief stretches of high level play and is better than some of the ridiculous alternatives thrown around but as a regular starter for the Texans his time has passed. I think he may get another shot to start elsewhere but will never be the pre-injury QB he was. As a backup he will be one of the best around. Bottom line he is a desperation only option in Houston.
Nitrofish
Let The Big Fish Eat!
The fact that you would look that up shows who's anal, lol. And as a reminder, I am a reactionary remember, so if indeed that is true, then I am only reacting to some dribble some other Schaub hater spewed, which I only do when the posts get really ridiculous.
So you would not look up the link for that post where Doc predicts Ed Reeds injury to be career ending, but you will look up how many times the word Schaub is mentioned in my posts? Bwahahahahahaha!
Did you also look up how many times the same word is mentioned in your posts? I mean this is a Texans message board, and Schaub has been the starting QB for the team since 2007, so I would wager his name has been mentioned a lot, wouldn't you? Especially when he played bad. I would even be bold enough to wager in a higher percentage in haters posts, than my own.
This is comedy gold Lucky!
BullNation4Life
All Pro
Correct me if I am wrong, hell it happens twice a year so I am due, wasn't this EXACT same topic discussed when Kubiak came in, EVERYBODY said that he could fix Carr and that all the Texans needed was a better defense....
Explain to me again how THAT scenario turned out in the end...
ALL ties need to be cut and move on...
Explain to me again how THAT scenario turned out in the end...
ALL ties need to be cut and move on...
Nitrofish
Let The Big Fish Eat!
Don't be so melodramatic. I think had he been re-inserted into the starting lineup after he had healed from his injury, and threw one or two more pick 6's, it would have been enough to say he has lost it for this season, but to extrapolate that into the rest of last season, and even worse what you are doing now which is implying Schaub will continue to throw pick 6's the rest of his career is laughable. For all any of us know, he could have turned it around last season had he been allowed to play though it.
I do not believe these analysts are turning a blind eye to the facts, but I do believe some of you fans have your blinders on, and Vince Lombardi himself could rise from the grave and say Schaub was the Texans best chance for the Texans to win in 2014, and you would all argue "yea but Lombardi is dead, and the NFL is different now, blaa, blaa, blaa"
Same crap you did, and some are still doing with Keenum. "oh Keenum did not get a fair chance" "oh the team had already quit" blaa, blaa, blaa. Have you ever heard of Occam's Razor?
All of these complex speculative explanations as to why Schaub had a bad year, or why you think he is finished as a player are all just theater to entertain yourselves and feel like you have some kind of 3rd eye and can see deeper into the game of football and it's players than other people can. A belief that your perceptions are correct, but when challenged by scouts, former players, current players, etc, you resort to name calling, and labeling in an effort to regain some of that imaginary power you have over the football realm. It's just like people who call other people a racist in an effort to label that person as bad, and therefore invalidate all of their comments even though the person was not exhibiting racist behavior or language.
You are laying at my feet what two former players are saying, and trying to make it out like I put them up to this, just to make you look bad. I am not directing these comments at you steelbtexan, just the first paragraph. The rest of this rant is aimed at those who's posts regarding Schaub are unreasonably harsh, and unrealistic, almost cartoon like, which sadly you have been guilty of at times.
Nitrofish
Let The Big Fish Eat!
I hear what you are saying, and I have even echoed the same words, yet it still seems to be an attack on me for creating this thread, rather than any of you discounting what Faulk and Brooks are saying. What I am hearing is that those guys do not watch as much Texans football as some of you, so therefor their comments are invalid. Not a very strong argument IMHO.
And I would be willing to bet, as the draft draws near, even more analysts and talking heads will agree with Faulk and Brooks. They will say that the Texans need to take Clowney, and fill other needs first and that Schaub is serviceable for one more year if he takes a pay cut.
This post is such total BS. I couldn't even read all of it before responding. All I can say is. 1. YOU MUST HAVE ME CONFUSED WITH OTHER POSTERS. 2. Your blind loyalty to Schaub knows no bounds. 3. If you've seen Schaub's play for the last yr and a half, can you atleast admit his play has fallen off and if so,have you considered why this may have happened?