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Mariota

ObsiWan said:
So what is a Chip-type QB... or rather who is?
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At Oregon, Kelly had dual threat QBs. Which is why when he went to Philly, everyone thought Vick would be a great fit. Vick flamed out, and Kelly has gone with not as mobile guys like Foles and Sanchez, since. If you could draw up a QB for Kelly's offense, he would look exactly like Mariota.
 
badboy said:
I'd take the three firsts and Cox.
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Looking back on Philly's last 4 drafts:
2014 - Marcus Smith
2013 - Lane Johnson
2012 - Fletcher Cox
2011 - Danny Watkins

Yeah, I'd give up that for Mariota.
 
Lucky said:
At Oregon, Kelly had dual threat QBs. Which is why when he went to Philly, everyone thought Vick would be a great fit. Vick flamed out, and Kelly has gone with not as mobile guys like Foles and Sanchez, since. If you could draw up a QB for Kelly's offense, he would look exactly like Mariota.
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From what you've seen of O'Brien's history, do you think he's interested in Mariota?
 
HOU-TEX said:
The Combine and Pro Days are nothing but glorified dog & pony shows for the NFL to make that $. I think the only things teams look at during those days are weigh-ins, physicals and interviews. The rest is fluff to them and eye candy to the media/fans

The film will, and should always, be the tell tale for NFL teams.

All that said, I still watch them :)
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No way dude, Texian is correct. They mean a hell of a lot more than that. If it was all about "film" Teddy B would have gone top 5 last year. He had the best "film" by a mile.
 
thunderkyss said:
From what you've seen of O'Brien's history, do you think he's interested in Mariota?
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The Texans aren't going to make a deal like that. There have been few deals like that in league history, and most have failed. I just wanted to show how 4 1st round picks can seem like a lot on the surface, but not be as valuable as you might think.
 
ObsiWan said:
So what is a Chip-type QB... or rather who is?
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Kelly's offense is about spreading you out and attacking multiple areas of the field on each play. QB needs to be able to process information quickly and be an attack option. Above average arm, decent accuracy, mobile to keep defense honest on read-option and extend plays to open up receivers. But video game mind for when they go quick.

A full compliment gives them 5+ options. Limits takes an option away. Foles is a minus runner with not so great accuracy despite his gaudy 2013 TD/INT #s. Less options, easier to defend.

Still, doesn't make business sense to me to give up 3+ picks/players. But I'm not Chip Kelly. I think he'll be a very interesting guy to follow in this draft.
 
Lucky said:
The Texans aren't going to make a deal like that. There have been few deals like that in league history, and most have failed. I just wanted to show how 4 1st round picks can seem like a lot on the surface, but not be as valuable as you might think.
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I was just wondering if you thought Mariota was OB's type?
 
Lucky said:
I don't think we know O'Brien's type yet. If he likes a QB with a lot of talent then I think he would like Mariota.
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I'm pretty sure he's old school & while he's not a stickler for height I think he'd be more of a stickler for the mechanical fundamentals. Taking snaps from under center... footwork, timing, throwing to a spot.

I don't think he'll be any more interested in Mariota than he was in Bridgewater.
 
thunderkyss said:
I'm pretty sure he's old school & while he's not a stickler for height I think he'd be more of a stickler for the mechanical fundamentals. Taking snaps from under center... footwork, timing, throwing to a spot.

I don't think he'll be any more interested in Mariota than he was in Bridgewater.
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funny cause I would think both are coaches dreams to groom into their franchise QB. Inexperience more than anything led to disastrous miscalculation of last years QB class with Savage as back-up plan than Mallet white knight.
 
beerlover said:
funny cause I would think both are coaches dreams to groom into their franchise QB. Inexperience more than anything led to disastrous miscalculation of last years QB class with Savage as back-up plan than Mallet white knight.
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If I thought that, I would think we are likely to take a QB in rounds 1 or 2 in this year's draft; Hundley, Hogan, Petty? Grayson? All coaches dreams imo.
 
thunderkyss said:
Do you mean "weaker armed, slower Cap" do you mean in a Tom Brady-ish sort of way?
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No. More like a system guy who has attributes but not those of a top notch NFL starter. We wont know until he takes pro snaps but I don't see that special quality. That intangible that separates Brady from someone like Dalton or even Cutler. They have skills ... just not Brady skills.
 
thunderkyss said:
I'm pretty sure he's old school & while he's not a stickler for height I think he'd be more of a stickler for the mechanical fundamentals. Taking snaps from under center... footwork, timing, throwing to a spot.

I don't think he'll be any more interested in Mariota than he was in Bridgewater.
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It's just complete speculation. But if O'Brien is looking for a guy that can take a snap under center, he's going to have a difficult time discerning that from tape. College offenses are run from the shotgun/pistol at an overwhelming rate.
 
Lucky said:
It's just complete speculation. But if O'Brien is looking for a guy that can take a snap under center, he's going to have a difficult time discerning that from tape. College offenses are run from the shotgun/pistol at an overwhelming rate.
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Pro offenses are starting to become that way as well though. Plenty of NFL teams are in the shotgun close to 50% of the time these days.

The Pats, Broncos, and Packers are rarely under center. They also have elite QB's who can handle the offense though.
 
WolverineFan said:
Pro offenses are starting to become that way as well though. Plenty of NFL teams are in the shotgun close to 50% of the time these days.

The Pats, Broncos, and Packers are rarely under center. They also have elite QB's who can handle the offense though.
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Playoffs said:
Kevin Seifert @KevinSeifertESPN
Startling figures for project I’m in...

2006: 69.4 pct of QB dropbacks came from under center.
2014: 21.9. Nearly 4 of 5 in shotgun/pistol.
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Only 22% of snaps in 2014 NFL came from under center.

Trying to get Texans breakdown.
 
infantrycak said:
I think that stat is off some. Under center:

Manning 19%
Brady 34%
Brees 31%
Big Ben 28%
Romo 24%
Wilson 25%
Eli 23%
Bortles 21%
Carr 29%
Luck 30%
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Don't see Chip Kelly's QBs in here. Wonder how that affected the league average?
 
WolverineFan said:
Pro offenses are starting to become that way as well though. Plenty of NFL teams are in the shotgun close to 50% of the time these days.

The Pats, Broncos, and Packers are rarely under center. They also have elite QB's who can handle the offense though.
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the difference is, how many times in college compared to the NFL do QBs fake to their RB before passing. mariota does this all the time.

its not some much about being in the shotgun or under centre but actually playing like an NFL QB
 
TexansFTW said:
The greatest thing Mariota did was win the Heismann his last year he played in college so he didn't have to be overly scrutinized every single time he went to a bar or made a joke during his last year in college.
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You know, you can live life without going to bars.
 
TexansFTW said:
No way dude, Texian is correct. They mean a hell of a lot more than that. If it was all about "film" Teddy B would have gone top 5 last year. He had the best "film" by a mile.
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Yep, if you're sitting in the press box watching Billy Wagner throw 105 MPH and then move to the dugout, that 105 MPH pitch is a completely different pitch.
 
Every other NFL team better hope that Chip Kelly doesnt find a way to get Mariota on the Eagles.
 
Not surprising when you think about it. He was obviously injured after that hit in the title game even if Oregon didn't come out and announce the specific injury. Landed really hard on that right shoulder with a defender on top of him.
 
Chris Mortensen ‏@mortreport
Oregon QB Marcus Mariota has informed teams he will throw at the Scouting Combine.
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Jim Mora disagrees with Mike Mayock on Marcus Mariota
Appearing on The Rich Eisen Show on Tuesday Mora said: "I don't agree with that. And I would venture to say I've seen more of Marcus Mariota than Mike Mayock. And I respect Mike. If there is one voice out there that I'd listen to, it would be Mike because he does the work, he doesn't poach off of other people's information. He looks at the film, he's active in calling coaches. But I don't think that he's a project. I think the guy is special, that's just based upon playing him and evaluating and studying him for two years now."
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"In my opinion he's the best quarterback and the best player," Mora said. "That's my opinion based upon what I've seen, which is a lot of film of him. Anytime you start to go in depth in evaluating these players, you're going to find holes. There is nobody that doesn't have a weakness, a deficiency. But Marcus Mariota has such great character, he's big, he's fast, he's strong, he can throw it. To me, he's a sure thing."
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Mora on Mariota: 'Bigger, faster, stronger Aaron Rodgers'

Some pretty outstanding praise from a competing coach who also has a QB in the 2015 draft. Pro day today.
 
I wouldn't trust anyone who says Mariota isn't a project. The college game has not prepared him for the pro game. He's got more to learn than what your "prototypical " QB would.

The difference between a guy like Mariota & a project like Garapolo is that Mariota is more gifted physically, athletically, he's played against the best of the best with the biggest spotlight on him the whole time... definitely worth an early first round pick.

But he's a project. Just like Flacco was, just like Ben was.

The more I watch him, the more he reminds me of Cam Newton & I'm really high on Cam Newton.
 
thunderkyss said:
I wouldn't trust anyone who says Mariota isn't a project. The college game has not prepared him for the pro game. He's got more to learn than what your "prototypical " QB would.

The difference between a guy like Mariota & a project like Garapolo is that Mariota is more gifted physically, athletically, he's played against the best of the best with the biggest spotlight on him the whole time... definitely worth an early first round pick.

But he's a project. Just like Flacco was, just like Ben was.

The more I watch him, the more he reminds me of Cam Newton & I'm really high on Cam Newton.
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Purely semantic arguement based off subjective interpretation of what the word "project" means in terms of all NFL rookies learning process going to next level. Every prospect is a project, especially QB position, even Luck, no different with Mariota.
 
I don't get why people would want Mariota to be drafted by Houston after Mallet and Hoyer were just signed, and Marcus is labeled "not pro ready"?
 
PHILLYTEXANFAN said:
I don't get why people would want Mariota to be drafted by Houston after Mallet and Hoyer were just signed, and Marcus is labeled "not pro ready"?
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Because using a high draft pick on a QB instantly makes them an elite franchise QB and don't try to tell them any different.
 
Marshall said:
Because using a high draft pick on a QB instantly makes them an elite franchise QB and don't try to tell them any different.
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Again, no one has ever said that except posters trying to make up strawmen they can chop down. Makes me wonder why they can't discuss the real intricacies of quarterback evaluation and the risk/reward involved at the various levels of the draft.

And no, I'm not a Mariota fan.
 
infantrycak said:
Does this team seem one draft from a high likelihood of a SB to you?

If not you fix the most important position on the field for a decade.
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OB supposedly runs a "complex system". I think with Fitz it was dumb downed as it gets. Mariota never called a play in college and you think he'll just pick it up. I'm starting to think your just arguing for argument sake
 
Pretty sure I implied the results of having a rookie QB might not be as "good" but if it's the same no SB then you set yourself up for a better chance for the next decade anyway.
 
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