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Let's talk about OT Laremy Tunsil.
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dream_team
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Tunsil betting on himself... I bet if he had an agent, the agent would push for a longer term.
Texans have $16 million in capspace left this year.
Does not include Bradley Roby possible LTBE incentives for 2020.
Does not include Tim Jernigan.
Does not include Michael Thomas
Waiting on confirmation on minor details of Laremy Tunsil extension
Does not include Bradley Roby possible LTBE incentives for 2020.
Does not include Tim Jernigan.
Does not include Michael Thomas
Waiting on confirmation on minor details of Laremy Tunsil extension
For next year, the Texans have about $35 million in capspace.
They still need to sign Watson, Fuller, Cunningham and draft picks.
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They still need to sign Watson, Fuller, Cunningham and draft picks.
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On the bright side, the draft picks shouldn't cost much. Do they really need to sign Fuller? Let's see if he can stay healthy for a season.For next year, the Texans have about $35 million in capspace.
They still need to sign Watson, Fuller, Cunningham and draft picks.
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welsh texan
You may say I’m a dreamer but I’m not the only one
Seems like a decent deal, we knew he’d be getting what seemed like QB money only a couple of years ago, but Texans aren’t tied to him long term so he can’t slack off. Meanwhile deals at the moment seemingly cause player loyalty issues 2 years down the line so why not keep it short term.
texan279
Hall of Fame
With the money and draft capital tied up on offense, this should be a top five unit, anything less is inexcusable. I'm talking to you BOB...
OptimisticTexan
2024 / Rebuilding Block 4 After Playoffs / Texans
.......and your pal Devlin.
Texecutioner
Hall of Fame
No we just call a shitty trade exactly what it is.
A spade is a spade, and Miami fleeced the Texans and totally humiliated them.
Texecutioner
Hall of Fame
Because Lane Johnson & Trent Brown got ridiculous contracts. The next Starting LT to sign a deal will sign an expensive contract.
Texecutioner
Hall of Fame
Airballs are all you will continually throw up here. Lol!
He got a 22 Million dollar a year contract. The most before was like 17 or 18. He should have gotten just a slight bump above the last highest contract based on the ridiculous standards that the NFL abides by on FA's. That's why its pretty stupid to sign guys to those max deals and to find rookies with high potential that you can use for several years like the Cowboys did on their offensive line, and just like Miami is doing right now. By trading for Tunsil with all of those draft picks and not "immediately" resigning for him you allowed a huge amount of "leverage" to go in his direction whenever that negotiation started, because he was always going to know that he wasn't going to be traded or let go after the Texans gave away the worst compensation ever for him. He got 4 or 5 Mill over the last highest paid contract. What the hell are you arguing here honestly? This deal is atrocious.
Lane Johnson is getting $18.5M/yr
Tunsil is getting $19M/yr
The Texans have been to the playoffs more consistently than the Cowboys & Miami. Maybe they aren’t the model for success you think they are.
My argument is & has always been we’ll have to wait & see if the Tunsil trade was worth it. I further defined that if we’re in the AFCCG by 2020 with a good chance to win, I would think it was worth it.
Furthermore, I wouldn’t have made the trade. I was high on Davenport as a stopgap. But BO’b brought Matt Khalil in to start. I much prefer trading for Tunsil & Stills than starting Matt Khalil.
texan279
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There's no way in hell that the Texans are any kind of model for success. Model for mediocrity maybe.
There's no way in hell that the Texans are any kind of model for success. Model for mediocrity maybe.
I didn’t say the Texans were a model for success. I said the Cowboys & Dolphins weren’t.
texan279
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Cowboys did have the #1 offense in the NFL last season. Built their O line through the draft. We've got three 1st round picks and two 2nd round picks invested in the tackle position alone. Maybe there is something to learn from Dallas on building the trenches through the draft.
How'd they do in the playoffs? All they had to do was wi. 9 games to qualify.
theCATALYST
Football Messiah
I am finding that Dallas was #3 offense.
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The Baltimore Ravens finished first in points and second in yards. The offense was led by Lamar Jackson and a terrific rushing attack, but they were also very aggressive on fourth down. Baltimore ranked first in passing touchdowns and second in rushing touchdowns.
Dallas did however have the #1 offensive line.
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texan279
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How'd the Texans do in the playoffs?
texan279
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I am finding that Dallas was #3 offense.
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The Baltimore Ravens finished first in points and second in yards. The offense was led by Lamar Jackson and a terrific rushing attack, but they were also very aggressive on fourth down. Baltimore ranked first in passing touchdowns and second in rushing touchdowns.
Dallas did however have the #1 offensive line.
2019 Offensive Line Rankings: Find fantasy football sleepers, busts | Sporting News
Dallas had most yards per game average per ESPN.
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Better than Dallas & Miami and that's the point.
texan279
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The point is none of it really matters unless you make it to the big game, and none of them did. Those AFC South champ banners are basically toilet paper.
There's toilet paper & then there's toilet paper. The Texans are one kind, the kind that does it's job, win games. The Cowboys & Dolphins are the kind that leaves you with crap on your hands.
You want to hold Dallas & Miami up as a standard, fine. Just don't make sense how you can complain about Houston.
maverick512000
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By that line of thinking only two teams each year ever do anything right. If SB is the the only acceptable standard for a good season then yeah 30 teams suck every year and of the last two only one would be good and the other decent.
texan279
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I complain about Houston because it's been nothing but losing and mediocrity since day one. We haven't even sniffed a conference championship visit in what 17 years now? And I will hold Dallas' offense up as a standard all day compared to Houston's offense.
texan279
Hall of Fame
You're taking it to the extreme. But isn't the super bowl every NFL team's goal? Is there really anything a team can brag about if they don't make it there?
badboy
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And you are making ridiculous claims based upon annual average which no one looks at to compare contracts except as bragging rights of players and agents. GTD $ is priority. Looking at this most OTs fully GTD has increase by 4 to 5 million. Tunsils's 40 fully GTD took step
But it hasn't been losing every year despite what you claim the record shows differently. And that is why Cal McNair is letting OBrien do his thing. If you want to talk about team improvement not being enough, we are on same page.
Since 2002 the Texans have been the model of success compared to Dallas & Miami.
maverick512000
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So you said I’m taking it to the extreme after saying that nothing matters except making to the super bowl and even in this post a team can’t brag about anything if they don’t make it. How is anything I said different from what you’ve said twice now?
maverick512000
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So a team that has had one playoff appearance in 10 years and last conference championship in 24 years is better than the Texans track record? You really have a double standard.
By the way since you also mentioned Miami their last playoff appearance was in 2016, last win was in 2000 and last conference championship appearance was in 1984.
But sure Miami and Dallas are far better teams and Houston is the one that is nothing but losing and mediocrity. I don’t even know where to go with that.
texan279
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Re-read what I posted. Losing AND mediocrity. And I never said "losing every year".
texan279
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That's like comparing rotten apples to slightly less rotten apples. My original point was Dallas' O line is light years ahead of Houston's and was built through the draft.
texan279
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So a team that has had one playoff appearance in 10 years and last conference championship in 24 years is better than the Texans track record? You really have a double standard.
By the way since you also mentioned Miami their last playoff appearance was in 2016, last win was in 2000 and last conference championship appearance was in 1984.
But sure Miami and Dallas are far better teams and Houston is the one that is nothing but losing and mediocrity. I don’t even know where to go with that.
First, I never mentioned Miami. Second, I'm talking about today, right now, 2020. Not ten years ago. And yes, Dallas' O line is one that should be modeled after.
maverick512000
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You are correct, got my "Tex" mixed up. As far as Dallas goes, yes they have had a good Oline but where has it gotten them? I will take the Texans win-lose record over Dallas's offense stats and Oline any day of the week. Also today, right now, 2020 Dallas is just coming off a season where they missed the playoffs in a division that was so bad that 3 out of 4 HCs were fired pretty much as soon as the season ended and they are now in a fight with their supposed franchise QB. You may think division championships are toilet paper and that's your right but Dallas would desperately love to have some toilet paper right now because they been sitting around on the toilet for over two decades without any.
texan279
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Yea, I'm talking just O line. I'm taking Watson over Prescott every day of the week. And Ezekiel over anyone we have at RB on our roster.
RGV82
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I'm taking Ezekiel over any RB on pretty much any roster in the entire NFL, except maybe McCaffrey.
Texecutioner
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Notice how they've now had to pathetically attempt to frame this conversation to a point of comparing it to the Cowboys or the Dolphins overall record or team or all of these other things that are irrelevant. We were taking about he offensive lines of the Cowboys and how it was built along with the situation Miami was in and how they are now as far as their OT situation goes. They know Miami fleeced us. They just don't want to throw the towel in on these egregious defenses for such a terrible trade by O'Brien. They'd rather keep digging in their toes. Ego is pesky thing.
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Texecutioner
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You still defending Bob's disruptions on this salary cap and the draft capital?Again go look at what Miami is paying their OT right now. They didn't have to reach. They just had to call the Texans to get all of their draft picks for the next few years where they could rinse and repeat with Tunsil once they knew his contract was coming up and that Bob was available to be taken for a ride. San Fran having Staley wait to to announce his retirement so that they could pull the wool all over the league's faces to land Williams was brilliant. Something your GM Bob will never do, but could have. But you'll remain here mansplaining his negotiations of desperation all day long. Meanwhile, he is probably yelling at someone right now like he was on draft day trying to figure out how San Fran did what they did.
& what has it got them? It's all about the Super Bowl, first & foremost. Winning next. The best O Line in the league somewhere after.
Well that's the problem, that is not the argument you jumped into. None of those are.
texan279
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Number one offense in the NFL (YPG), and they didn't have to trade away tons of draft capital on a LT. It gets them a QB who was only sacked 23 times last season (Prescott) versus being sacked 55 times (Watson), which was most in the NFL. It gets your running back the 4th most rushing yards in the NFL (Elliot). The Texans have three 1st round picks and two 2nd round picks tied up in three offensive tackles alone. And one of them was the most penalized player in the NFL last season.
texan279
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texan279
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That's where I entered the discussion...
Like I said, you jumped into an argument with the wrong basis.