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Let's talk about OT Laremy Tunsil.

If Tunsil made pro bowl first season in Htown with one week before playing, he should have multiple awards next four years.
John Reed has feet, hips, competiveness and drive to make this team. Can he beat out Croessen?
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
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Last year..................14 false starts, 3 offensive holding fouls, and 3 ineligible man downfield penalties...............with 3 of these being declined putting him at 17 total penalties.
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I'm not arguing that Tunsil hasn't played well, but just pointing out the oddities of the ESPN "win rate" stat.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id...opping-blocking-leaderboard-win-rate-rankings

Tunsil isn't even in the top 10 of pass block win rate.

Some other surprising "win rate" rankings:
  • JJ Watt is #6 in run stop win rate as an edge defender
  • Nick Martin is #4 in Center pass block win rate
  • Senio Kelemete is #1 in Guard run block win rate
  • Zach Fulton is #6 in Guard run block win rate
  • Nick Martin is #9 in Center pass block win rate
  • Texans are #2 in Team run stop win rate
  • Texans are #1 in Team run block win rate
According to the team win rate stats, we should be one of the best teams in running the ball and stopping the run. As we all know, that ain't true. What am I missing?
 
dream_team said:
I'm not arguing that Tunsil hasn't played well, but just pointing out the oddities of the ESPN "win rate" stat.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id...opping-blocking-leaderboard-win-rate-rankings

Tunsil isn't even in the top 10 of pass block win rate.

Some other surprising "win rate" rankings:
  • JJ Watt is #6 in run stop win rate as an edge defender
  • Nick Martin is #4 in Center pass block win rate
  • Senio Kelemete is #1 in Guard run block win rate
  • Zach Fulton is #6 in Guard run block win rate
  • Nick Martin is #9 in Center pass block win rate
  • Texans are #2 in Team run stop win rate
  • Texans are #1 in Team run block win rate
According to the team win rate stats, we should be one of the best teams in running the ball and stopping the run. As we all know, that ain't true. What am I missing?
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Although we all post stats, you've just discovered what I've been pointing out for years...............different statistics sources come up with different ways of looking at and interpreting stats...............and then in the end you're still left to rely on your own "lying eyes" anyway.
 
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Comparing blockbuster deals for Texans' Laremy Tunsil, Ravens' Ronnie Stanley
Oct. 30, 2020


The blockbuster paydays for Texans Pro Bowl left offensive tackle Laremy Tunsil and Baltimore Ravens Pro Bowl left tackle Ronnie Stanley are structured much differently.

Tunsil remains the highest paid offensive lineman in the league in the metric of average per year in new money, $22 million APY, on his three-year, $66 million contact extension signed in April.

Stanley signed a longer deal on Friday, a five-year extension worth $98.75 million in new money that carries a $19.75 million new-money average.

Stanley's deal, negotiated by Roc Nation Sports, includes $70.86 million guaranteed, including a $22.5 million signing bonus. It includes $1.25 million in annual Pro Bowl incentives that can boost the contract to a maximum value of $112.6 million.

The highest graded pass protecting tackle in the NFL, according to Pro Football Focus, Tunsil received a $13 million signing bonus and $50 million total guaranteed. He can also get back to the table in a few years, which was a priority for Tunsil in negotiations.

Including the fifth-year club option of $10.85 million he's playing under this year, the deal has a total value of $76.35 million.

Here's how it breaks down each year on a contract negotiated by Tunsil with help from advisors Laolu Sanni and Pete Riley:

THE REST OF THE STORY
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
Comparing blockbuster deals for Texans' Laremy Tunsil, Ravens' Ronnie Stanley
Oct. 30, 2020


The blockbuster paydays for Texans Pro Bowl left offensive tackle Laremy Tunsil and Baltimore Ravens Pro Bowl left tackle Ronnie Stanley are structured much differently.

Tunsil remains the highest paid offensive lineman in the league in the metric of average per year in new money, $22 million APY, on his three-year, $66 million contact extension signed in April.

Stanley signed a longer deal on Friday, a five-year extension worth $98.75 million in new money that carries a $19.75 million new-money average.

Stanley's deal, negotiated by Roc Nation Sports, includes $70.86 million guaranteed, including a $22.5 million signing bonus. It includes $1.25 million in annual Pro Bowl incentives that can boost the contract to a maximum value of $112.6 million.

The highest graded pass protecting tackle in the NFL, according to Pro Football Focus, Tunsil received a $13 million signing bonus and $50 million total guaranteed. He can also get back to the table in a few years, which was a priority for Tunsil in negotiations.

Including the fifth-year club option of $10.85 million he's playing under this year, the deal has a total value of $76.35 million.

Here's how it breaks down each year on a contract negotiated by Tunsil with help from advisors Laolu Sanni and Pete Riley:

THE REST OF THE STORY
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Here's how it "breaks " down for me: Tunsil's ankles are healthy, Stanley out for season.
 
Laremy Tunsil makes NFL.com's Players to Root For list.

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Houston Texans
Laremy Tunsil
OT · Year 9
Franchise turnarounds typically generate plenty of feel-good stories, and one of my favorite examples of the genre is when the veteran who performed well through lots of losing gets to bask in success. Unlike many of the younger, less-experienced principals involved in the Texans' worst-to-first jump in 2023, Tunsil has gone through plenty of hard times in his NFL career, both in Miami and Houston. For a while, he looked out of place with the Texans, a luxury item on a roster that was not really capable of competing (which was true in part because of the significant draft capital Bill O'Brien dealt to the Dolphins in the move to acquire the star tackle in 2019). Tunsil re-upped last year, and it soon became clear that the rest of the team was ready to play up to his level. Good for him.
 
Lucky said:
Laremy Tunsil makes NFL.com's Players to Root For list.


Houston Texans
Laremy Tunsil
OT · Year 9
Franchise turnarounds typically generate plenty of feel-good stories, and one of my favorite examples of the genre is when the veteran who performed well through lots of losing gets to bask in success. Unlike many of the younger, less-experienced principals involved in the Texans' worst-to-first jump in 2023, Tunsil has gone through plenty of hard times in his NFL career, both in Miami and Houston. For a while, he looked out of place with the Texans, a luxury item on a roster that was not really capable of competing (which was true in part because of the significant draft capital Bill O'Brien dealt to the Dolphins in the move to acquire the star tackle in 2019). Tunsil re-upped last year, and it soon became clear that the rest of the team was ready to play up to his level. Good for him.
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CJ Stroud is really rooting for him!
 
Deadpool said:
Acquiring Tunsil in hindsight was a fantastic move because Stroud definitely benefits from having his blindside locked down
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Yep, And Tunsil is number one in the league at stopping Defensive Ends before the ball is snapped. He goes above and beyond


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pirbroke said:
Yep, And Tunsil is number one in the league at stopping Defensive Ends before the ball is snapped. He goes above and beyond


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Are you being serious or are you referring to pre-snap aka false start penalties? If false starts, he had 6 last year, which is about 1 per every three games. High compared to the rest of the league, but I'd far rather have to deal with a five yard penalty every few games and know he has the blindside locked up, than him never jump early and instead act like a human turnstile for easy sacks.
 
I'm impressed that Will Anderson Jr stated that Tunsil is helping him in his "Pass-Rushing School"; pointing out that Tunsil can read his rush based on how he lines up at the line of scrimmage. Anderson has Hunter to mentor him from the defensive side and one of the best pass-blockers helping him from the offensive side.

I'd be extremely surprised if Will isn't well into double-digits this year in sacks.
 
cland said:
I'm impressed that Will Anderson Jr stated that Tunsil is helping him in his "Pass-Rushing School"; pointing out that Tunsil can read his rush based on how he lines up at the line of scrimmage. Anderson has Hunter to mentor him from the defensive side and one of the best pass-blockers helping him from the offensive side.

I'd be extremely surprised if Will isn't well into double-digits this year in sacks.
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I see a ton of Khalil Mack in Anderson.
 
Deadpool said:
Are you being serious or are you referring to pre-snap aka false start penalties? If false starts, he had 6 last year, which is about 1 per every three games. High compared to the rest of the league, but I'd far rather have to deal with a five yard penalty every few games and know he has the blindside locked up, than him never jump early and instead act like a human turnstile for easy sacks.
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I think he may have had 8 but the point still stand that it's less than 0.5 per game. If that's his major flaw I'll definitely take it. Tunsil is a major part of unlocking CJ's top potential.
 
Deadpool said:
Are you being serious or are you referring to pre-snap aka false start penalties? If false starts, he had 6 last year, which is about 1 per every three games. High compared to the rest of the league, but I'd far rather have to deal with a five yard penalty every few games and know he has the blindside locked up, than him never jump early and instead act like a human turnstile for easy sacks.
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Agreed but sometimes it’s the timing of those false starts. Most of them come when we’re on a critical drive aka crunch time.

But I’m with you he’s one of the best at his position and I am happy he’s on our team.
 
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There was a time when a false start was pretty much the end of a Texan's drive.

That is no longer the case.
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CJ and his pin point accuracy converting a lot of third and long.
Slowic with his aggressive play calling trusting his offense to convert those 3rd and longs after a terrible penalty.

Yes sir big difference from years past.
 
Texansballer74 said:
Agreed but sometimes it’s the timing of those false starts. Most of them come when we’re on a critical drive aka crunch time.

But I’m with you he’s one of the best at his position and I am happy he’s on our team.
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I love the second part of this comment. The first part seems very slightly nitpicky. I would rather be pushed back 5 yards and it still be a first down and not lose even more from a sack, or even worse, a strip-sack
 
Deadpool said:
I love the second part of this comment. The first part seems very slightly nitpicky. I would rather be pushed back 5 yards and it still be a first down and not lose even more from a sack, or even worse, a strip-sack
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I wasn’t trying to nitpick there. What im saying is we could be putting together a really good drive in the 4th quarter. We’re needing to score and bam false start on Tunsil. It’s like now we all know the probability of him getting a penalty in that particular situation is high.

Like I said he’s one of the best in the business but sometimes he’s going to get a penalty to stonewall a good drive.
 
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Texansballer74 said:
I wasn’t trying to nitpick there. What im saying is we could be putting together a really drive in the 4th quarter. We’re needing to score and bam false start on Tunsil. It’s like now we all know the probability of him getting a penalty in that particular situation is high.

Like I said he’s one of the best in the business but sometimes he’s going to get a penalty to stonewall a good drive.
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If a false start every other game ruins the offense, then the offense wasn't very good to begin with.
 
Texansballer74 said:
Missing the point. The offense last season was pretty darn good. And there’s not one perfect offense in all of sports. They’re going to make mistakes.
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I didn't miss the point.

My point is, nobody is perfect and Tunsil is one of the best at his position. The Texans are lucky to have him on the team.
 
steelbtexan said:
I didn't miss the point.

My point is, nobody is perfect and Tunsil is one of the best at his position. The Texans are lucky to have him on the team.
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And if you go back and read my statements, you’ll see I said he’s one of the best in the business at that position. And that I’m happy he’s on our team. My statement was not a knock but a factual observation on the penalties he commits and when he normally commits them.
 
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badboy said:
Just to day, I momentarily crossed a divided white line; quickly returned and then giggled at my boldness!

I'm thinking about adding "dangerous" to my bad boy.
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You should also get a truck, have it lifted 2 feet, and have a “come and take it” sticker next to a “don’t tread on me”.

Nothing says dangerous bad boy like a lifted truck with those two markings.
 
TexansBull said:
You should also get a truck, have it lifted 2 feet, and have a “come and take it” sticker next to a “don’t tread on me”.

Nothing says dangerous bad boy like a lifted truck with those two markings.
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No thanks! Over the years my son has had two. One was a GMC and the other was a old Dodge in Marine Corps green. Too dang hard for an old man to climb in and out of. But I appreciate your thought LOL.
 
TexansBull said:
You should also get a truck, have it lifted 2 feet, and have a “come and take it” sticker next to a “don’t tread on me”.

Nothing says dangerous bad boy like a lifted truck with those two markings.
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You left out a pair of swinging you know what’s from the trailer hitch……
 
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