Nah, Kubes is perfect for this situation. He has no idea what is happening around him and just smiling like an idiot
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Kubiak sticking with Schaub - still named starter
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Nah, Kubes is perfect for this situation. He has no idea what is happening around him and just smiling like an idiot
Giant Tiger
Veteran
Not sure about the horror show, but I think that if any team comes in prepared to play the Texans, it's a team coached by Jeff Fisher. Now with our team in disarray, the schedule really works in his favor. I would have thought if any team would get a pick 6 against the Texans, it would be the Rams. Plus if people start booing, that benefits Fisher, too. I'm not liking our chances right now, unless the defense plays lights out.
I'm more concerned about Schaub pointing a gun. He will inevitably make a bad decision and hit someone other than his target.
I just couldn't resist.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
Confidence in Schaub? This quote by Kubiak says it all.
Most people are writing off that comment, they don't believe he thought about it at all.
I don't know if he did or not, but I'd hate to get to 4-6 then have to deal with the same question again. Either way, had he gone with Case Keenum & we end up 4-6..... I'd be just as upset.
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
Kubiak's substitution for Schaub in the SF game was a microcosm of how he'll come to the decision to bench Schaub this season. he'll wait until it's too late to salvage the season & when he does sub him in we won't see much difference between Yates or Keenum....b/c he'll handcuff them with his rigid system.
2012Champs
Hall of Fame
Even if Yates of Keenum perform above realistic expectations you arent going to salvage the season right now. The prudent course is to keep working at correcting the issues until the playoff run is lost. Then you can play with the starting snaps
dalemurphy
Hall of Fame
Schaub will be yanked during the rams game if he starts falling apart... By the third quarter. Kubiak would never say what he did, if he wasn't very, very displeased with schaub and close to making a change. He doesn't call out players.
silvrhand
All Pro
1000% agree, he pulled Schaub from the last game which was a bit surprising he has to know he's on the hot seat. Look while Kubiak may be team this team that, he's smart enough to know that he's on the hot seat.
If he f's this up he's definitely sinking his ship.
BullNation4Life
All Pro
Kubiak lives by the sword, dies by the sword and Matt Schaub is the mother of all broad swords...
Until I actually see Schaub sitting on the sideline and another QB stepping in because of what Schaub was not doing, I won't believe anything that comes out of Kubiak's face....
Remember Schaub is HIS guy, and to replace him means he made a mistake and Kubiak is to ego driven to admit that...
Until I actually see Schaub sitting on the sideline and another QB stepping in because of what Schaub was not doing, I won't believe anything that comes out of Kubiak's face....
Remember Schaub is HIS guy, and to replace him means he made a mistake and Kubiak is to ego driven to admit that...
And as hard as it is to believe Schaub played well outside of the INTs. He's got 15 good throws on one hand, 5 questionable ones, & 5 bad ones in the SF game (or something like that).
You're the head coach, you've got to be able to look at the whole game, not just the bad throws & make your decision.
I'm not saying I would have made the same decision Kubiak did. Only that I think I understand it. I'd have understood it if he went the other way & started Yates/Keenum.
Others have said it as well, Matt Schaub looks physically healthier than he has in a long while. He's stepping into his throws well. My opinion, he's been very accurate. Only one of those INTs was on a poorly thrown ball & it was a bad, panicked decision by Schaub... something he doesn't always do.
Seattle's secondary is pretty good. San Frans secondary is pretty good. I don't know that we can take for granted the good throws, the good plays Matt had in those games. Definitely wouldn't expect Yates/Keenum to put 300 yards on the Legion of Boom. (then looking at what Luck did, you don't really need to).
Come On Breh
Waterboy
Kubiak is sticking with schaub is a simple thing to figure out:
MONEY.
It would be a public humiliation and failure for both Gary Kubiak and GM Rick Smith for them to bench a man they just gave a brand spanking new contract to.
Follow the money and find the truth.
We all know about the football weaknesses, the strengths, but in the end it always comes down to money. That's the main reason why schaub is starting.
MONEY.
It would be a public humiliation and failure for both Gary Kubiak and GM Rick Smith for them to bench a man they just gave a brand spanking new contract to.
Follow the money and find the truth.
We all know about the football weaknesses, the strengths, but in the end it always comes down to money. That's the main reason why schaub is starting.
HOU-TEX
Ah, Football!
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
Also got to spread the rep.
Close, but in the "What Matt Schaub sees" part there should only be Owen Daniels and Andre Johnson.
Yes, others that are equally delusional have said that Matt Schaub looks healthier.
Very accurate, even on the interceptions? Do you ever go back and read these things aloud before posting?
We keep thinking that Kubiak is holding on to Schaub because he is loyal to him.
Could it be that Yates and / or Keenum are known commodities? Kubes does see them in practice every week. Could it be that he just thinks they are too terrible to be out there?
I'm not saying that I agree with Kubes. I would imagine that if we had an early round pick on the bench he'd be playing right now and this decision wouldn't be so "tough"
Could it be that Yates and / or Keenum are known commodities? Kubes does see them in practice every week. Could it be that he just thinks they are too terrible to be out there?
I'm not saying that I agree with Kubes. I would imagine that if we had an early round pick on the bench he'd be playing right now and this decision wouldn't be so "tough"
If the Texans had spent an early round pick on a QB, that would have been an admission that Schaub is not the guy long term. So yeah, they would be further down the road to the decision they will eventually have to make, for sure had they taken a Geno Smith or moved up for EJ Manuel, But, they choose to give Schaub an additional weapon, instead.
Regarding Yates and Keenum stinking it up in practice, that's a wild arse assumption. They both had better preseasons than Schaub, though they went against reserves. But, they were playing with reserves and guys that are no longer in the league, as well. Kubiak kept both on the 53 man roster (which I agreed with). They are both better athletes with (at this point) stronger arms. Kubiak has had 3 years to coach up Yates, 2 with Keenum. By keeping these guys and not looking for a vet like Cassel or Fitzpatrick, they displayed confidence in them. There's little chance the backups could fail at the level Schaub has. Yates, and Keenum if TJ fails, deserves a chance to right the ship.
Fear of change and worrying about hurting Schaub's psyche are what is keeping Kubiak from pulling the trigger. Well, wait until Schaub throws an incompletion today (much less an interception), and we'll see how Matt handles the booing that will ensue. This was the game to bring in Yates and get his feet wet.
Why do you think that a rookie would serve the team better than a veteran with playing experience or a very good college QB (spare me the system QB mantra)? About the only absolute advantage a high draft pick rookie gives you is a longer leash. Sometimes to the teams detriment. Just look at the NYJ's, the Browns, Rams or Cardinals. Or Detroit for that matter.
I'm much more impressed with a coach who has the stones to pull the trigger like Carroll or Harbaugh did last season. Look at how both of those teams responded. For every Andrew Luck, there are 10 JaMarcus Russell's.
I think Kubiak knows that he can game plan Tj/Case to victory, just like he can coach Matt Schaub to victory. The unknown is how will Tj/Case read/react to NFL defenses. Can they get us out of a bad play into a good play? How are they going to react to a bad throw? Are they going to be able to forget the last play & move on to the next?
I know people are going to say Schaub can't do those things, but when asked about the INTs Kubiak said they were all different. That Schaub isn't doing the same thing over & over, tipping the defense.
Speaking of how poorly Schaub is playing. When I watch Gabbert play, or when I watched Lienart play, or when I watched David Carr play... I see poor QB play. Poor throws, poor reads, happy feet, indecisive...
I'm not seeing any of that with Schaub. Take away the two INTs, Schaub out played Andrew Luck vs Seattle. Find one game Gabbert out played Luck.
If you remember the tiers that we've put Schaub in before. Cutler, Eli, Flacco, Rivers..... Romo... they're all doing about the same right now. Some a little better in some categories than others. Some a little worse than others in other categories. 1 game better or worse in the W-L column...... but none of them are in any real danger of getting benched but Schaub. & that's because of something he really has no control over. That second INT towards Andre in the SF game, could've been a pick 6, wasn't because of what Andre did, not what Schaub did. The one Eric Reed dropped... Schaub didn't do anything different, but that should have been a pick 6.
Watching Sunday NFL Countdown and they asked Ray Lewis about when your QB is struggling/or is no good what they did. He mentioned when Tony Banks was struggling the coach Billick came to the leaders and asked them should they stick with Banks and go down with a sinking ship or make change. Change was made to Dilfer and they went on to SB. Do you think Kubiak got leaders together?
No we will sink. I think change will be made but only after too late.
No we will sink. I think change will be made but only after too late.
RunningTheSouth
Practice Squad
Time to bench Schaub, he sucks!
We did see them in preseason and MS and Yates looked basically like they have in preseason. Ms stalled in preseason and Yates just checked down. We also saw Case and he had a couple plays the other two did not.
Kubiak/Smith sticking with Schaub because if they don't they are admitting they screwed up by giving Matt big contract. Self preservation to the end baby.
DX-TEX
#TomSavageDontCare
Hervoyel
BUENO!
Txn_in_FL
All Pro
Is there some point during the season where he will finally find this winning game plan you speak of?
I swear, sometimes I think you just throw this stuff out there so you can be the one that says "SEE, I TOLD YOU SO" when this blind squirrel finally finds a nut.
Schaub isn't going anywhere until Kubiak is gone.
If it makes you feel any better, I think Yates earned points by not folding after his pick 6. If you read the rest of that post you quoted, things like that are what I believe scares Kubiak the most about switchint QBs.
HoustonFrog
Dallas Frog
My opinion
Kubes sucks. I've thought this for years and continued even in the playoff years. His ascending was due to Wade, not anything he did different.
Schaub is a good guy but he is descending. Weak arm, folds under pressure and is a mental case.
Window closing
Kubes sucks. I've thought this for years and continued even in the playoff years. His ascending was due to Wade, not anything he did different.
Schaub is a good guy but he is descending. Weak arm, folds under pressure and is a mental case.
Window closing
Well, Kubiak may not have the tough decision this week since Schaub may be unable to go in KC.
I think Yates with a week of prep won't be all that much better than what we saw today. I really don't think Yates has that much more upside. I maybe completely wrong, but I'd like to see Keenum at least get some first team reps. If Yates struggles I think you need to look at Keenum early.
I think Yates with a week of prep won't be all that much better than what we saw today. I really don't think Yates has that much more upside. I maybe completely wrong, but I'd like to see Keenum at least get some first team reps. If Yates struggles I think you need to look at Keenum early.
Back in the preseason when we had our back-up QB "competition" I said if I were the HC I would make my decision based on how well both guys ran the play they were given. If there was two plays to be made, but the QB decided to tuck it & run, he would get no points for the play regardless what the outcome of the play was. (Now if there wasn't a play to be made & he tucked, ran, & made a positive play he would get points.)
Watching the games on TV it's difficult to tell because the camera usually follows the ball & you can't see if there was a play to be made or not. All you see is the QB getting out of the pocket & making a play. With that said, I don't believe any of us have a good idea how far along either QB is into the playbook. However, since Keenum did not leapfrog Yates I believe it is safe to say if he is further into the playbook than Yates, it's marginal.
This was the first game I was able to make it to, even though I am a season ticket holder, many times work & family make it difficult to make all the games (priorities right?). What I saw today verified what I feared over the last 5 weeks. There are plays to be made downfield, but for one reason or another Schaub isn't making them.
Hopkins is really doing a great job getting open downfield & what little I saw of Martin... it's enough to make you sick. I know a lot of people have been blaming the play calling & the "antiquated" scheme..... but I believe Kubiak is every bit the guru he used to be.
Here is a screenshot I was able to capture, that shows we should have had a TD on our possession after the Hopkins fumble.
At that point in the frame you can see that the pocket is tight & Schaub is probably "feeling" that pressure on his back right. But if you look at Hopkins crossing the goal line, that ball should have already been out & in Hopkins' hands at that point in the frame.
You can see Andre at the bottom of the endzone with three guys around him. He's just making his break & would have been a possible throw as well if Schaub didn't bail.
This is David Carr syndrome.
Watching the games on TV it's difficult to tell because the camera usually follows the ball & you can't see if there was a play to be made or not. All you see is the QB getting out of the pocket & making a play. With that said, I don't believe any of us have a good idea how far along either QB is into the playbook. However, since Keenum did not leapfrog Yates I believe it is safe to say if he is further into the playbook than Yates, it's marginal.
This was the first game I was able to make it to, even though I am a season ticket holder, many times work & family make it difficult to make all the games (priorities right?). What I saw today verified what I feared over the last 5 weeks. There are plays to be made downfield, but for one reason or another Schaub isn't making them.
Hopkins is really doing a great job getting open downfield & what little I saw of Martin... it's enough to make you sick. I know a lot of people have been blaming the play calling & the "antiquated" scheme..... but I believe Kubiak is every bit the guru he used to be.
Here is a screenshot I was able to capture, that shows we should have had a TD on our possession after the Hopkins fumble.
At that point in the frame you can see that the pocket is tight & Schaub is probably "feeling" that pressure on his back right. But if you look at Hopkins crossing the goal line, that ball should have already been out & in Hopkins' hands at that point in the frame.
You can see Andre at the bottom of the endzone with three guys around him. He's just making his break & would have been a possible throw as well if Schaub didn't bail.
This is David Carr syndrome.
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Schaub does a good job getting out of the pocket, looking as athletic as he ever has. Whatever he may be suffering from his Lisfranc did not stop him from making the throw from the pocket & it did not stop him from getting out of the pocket.
Biggest problem here is that he never looks at anyone but Keyshawn in the corner of the endzone. He eventually throws the ball short of Martins position & to the outside. Martin has to come out of the endzone & tap his toes to down the ball inside the 1 (can't believe we didn't go for it). Matt should have thrown the ball inside allowing Martin to stay in the end zone & separate from the CB behind him. Even if he had to throw it short of the goal line, Martin would have been able to make a play & have a chance of falling back into the end zone.
Another alternative, As Schaub approaches the LoS, the defenders around Graham believe him to be more of a threat than Graham. They leave Garrett & converge on Matt. If he had his senses, he could have got the ball to Graham giving him an opportunity to make a play.
Biggest problem here is that he never looks at anyone but Keyshawn in the corner of the endzone. He eventually throws the ball short of Martins position & to the outside. Martin has to come out of the endzone & tap his toes to down the ball inside the 1 (can't believe we didn't go for it). Matt should have thrown the ball inside allowing Martin to stay in the end zone & separate from the CB behind him. Even if he had to throw it short of the goal line, Martin would have been able to make a play & have a chance of falling back into the end zone.
Another alternative, As Schaub approaches the LoS, the defenders around Graham believe him to be more of a threat than Graham. They leave Garrett & converge on Matt. If he had his senses, he could have got the ball to Graham giving him an opportunity to make a play.
Like I said earlier, there were plays to be made left on the field. For whatever reason, Schaub isn't pulling the trigger. Against SF Collinsworth said accuracy has to be Matt's thing. While it does have to be one of his "things" efficiently executing the play book has to be Matt's thing. That is the primary reason he should hold on to the starting position.
If he can't do that, if he's not accurate, if he can't take care of the ball... I can't think of what he brings to the table that Tj & Case can not.
If he can't do that, if he's not accurate, if he can't take care of the ball... I can't think of what he brings to the table that Tj & Case can not.
How many wr's in tight coverage did Matt hit today?
Seems like the only guys he threw to were short routes and guys that were wide open in the rams horrid zone defense. He's not looking to make those throws because he's not good enough.
I don't get the beating round the bush. I don't care why he can't do it...weak arm, tender foot, unathletic, shell shocked, 'cuffed....who cares.
He's never been a guy that throws well into good coverage with any kind if consistency. But this year when teams are gunning for us and have an ounce of talent and good coaching we struggle mightily.
These are the same problems that people have been complaining about for years, but now since we are a targeted team playing even a somewhat tough schedule we're exposed. Can't hide those warts behind shiny stats forever.
Vinny
shiny happy fan
This offense didn't even challenge the back end of the Rams secondary. A secondary full of young, inexperienced players missing their best cornerback, or at least their veteran cb if you think Jenkins is a better player than punchdrunk. No back shoulder toss..no deep ball. Just underneath David Carr specials.
Yep.
I was surprised that we didn't at least throw one up deep to Dre or Hopkins just to loosen the rams up some....let them know we're going to challenge them.
Who knows...maybe me might actually catch it or get a PI.
Guess that's to wild for us.
chicagotexan2
Easterby = Little Finger/Cal = Fredo Corleone
I only remember a few times he hit Andre in stride. He dirsnt throw those types of passes enough or Kubiak doesn't let his other receivers run those types of routes. Either way it didn't matter after being down early because this is not the Matt Schaub of week one that could bring back a team from a deficit. The team is saddled with a QB that is being protected by a system that tries not to expose his deficiencies thus killing any come from behind attack.
chicagotexan2
Easterby = Little Finger/Cal = Fredo Corleone
Even if they are incomplete at least you could get a helpful pass interference penalty. I miss the good old days where Schaub would throw the ball deep down the field as far as he could and a wide open streaking Andre Johnson would stop and wait two seconds for the ball to catch up to him for 40 yard completion.
dream_team
Hall of Fame
Stop shooting the messenger. If you want more deep balls, more vertical routes, then beg for a new coach. Going deep and taking chances isn't our offensive philosophy, unless it's off a PA bootleg. Schaub is just playing the offense as it was designed. That should have been obvious when Yates came in and basically did the same thing.
chicagotexan2
Easterby = Little Finger/Cal = Fredo Corleone
The backup messenger is as inept as his predecessor in delivering the package as his was also intercepted With a stamp 'return to sender'