drs23
Veteran
What are their middle names? I bet there's a subliminal message in there that's over our heads. One that only a great mind can grasp...
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Kubiak sticking with Schaub - still named starter
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What are their middle names? I bet there's a subliminal message in there that's over our heads. One that only a great mind can grasp...
Whoever made that probably meant to make it Texas & Virginia. That would make more sense.
htownfan32
Hall of Fame
UV still remembers Schaub lol?
drs23
Veteran
Dayum TK you're good. And honest. You go Man!
TexanExile
A New Hope
Wow. I had no idea The Onion had a sports section.
Come On Breh
Waterboy
why cant we make keenum and yates battle it out in practice?
why cant they be given some reps vs 1st team defense and see if they can be better than schaub?
What is the harm in this? Why is everybody afraid of finding out what keenum can do?
Why can we make them earn it?
why cant they be given some reps vs 1st team defense and see if they can be better than schaub?
What is the harm in this? Why is everybody afraid of finding out what keenum can do?
Why can we make them earn it?
and just like it really did not work out that great to elect a President on the ideas of "hope and change" along "he can't worse than the one we had before," it probably is not going be any better (ya know wins/loses in 2013) with "hope and change" Keenum or "not any worse" Yates.
Vinny
shiny happy fan
So Schaub is Bush....so which one is Obama?
Because this is real life. What you're "hoping for" has probably already happened in practice in one form or another. Kubiak, Dennison, & Dorrell evaluate those guys on a daily basis. I bet their talking behind Schaub's back, preparing Keenum for the starting job.
I bet you Keenum will be the #2 after the bye.
The one who has never done anything to make you believe he can start in this league.
More Texans fans should be like who the hell is Case Keenum? One thing to want some 'hope and change" another to be assigning a dude who was not even active last week with leadership, poise and accuracy among other things.
Vinny
shiny happy fan
Come On Breh
Waterboy
ohh really?
is that why arian foster sat almost an entire year only to be discovered when steve slaton got injured?
Is that why jacoby jones and trindon holliday are not here anymore because they were "evaluated" in practice?
Is that why shiloh keo is still sniffing game reps because the "evaluators" deemed he's the best to do the job?
Or are they keeping the status quo, playing seniority, status, and contracts over talent, youth, and potential?
come on, you know better than this.
lol at real life. Yea those matt schaub pick 6s didnt actually happen but they were some dream state stand alone complex.
get outta here with that.
We've discussed this before. But being that you're new here, I'll repeat it. Arian said he wasn't as dedicated to football as he needed to be when he got here. It was late in the season before he recognized the opportunity he was about to throw away.
We brought in another talented back at the same time as Arian, Jeremiah Johnson out of Oregon. Just as talented as Arian, different, but just as talented. He threw away his opportunity. Arian put in the work.
We ran out of LBs & needed the roster spot. Trindon wasn't doing us any good on our roster anyway.
Jacoby..... I think Kubiak made a bad decision. But I'm in the minority on this board. I would have taken Jacoby's game breaking speed & ability to make plays over Walter's dependability & blocking ability.
That's on Wade. But to be fair, we cut Demps twice. Once before Wade, & once after Wade.
What I know is that we've won back to back division titles, 10+ games two seasons running, & a play-off game each of the last two years. Sure we're making mistakes, making bad moves, etc.... but we're making a bunch of good ones too.
Real life is that 32 teams passed on Case Keenum 7 times. 3 teams decided to add Ryan Lindley, B.J. Coleman, & Chandler Harnish to their program in lieu of Case Keenum. Two of which probably know a good QB when they see one, Green Bay & Indy.
Gary Kubiak thought enough of the dwarf to add him to our squad & put him on the roster for 2013. Real life is that you fanbois should be greatful that he's got a job in the first place. & the man responsible will put him in the game when he's ready. Real life is that if Keenum is not ready after Matt Schaub has thrown 9 INTs in 5 games, he's not ready.
Tim Jamison is an UDFA, so is Arian. Most people on this board & national media (other folks whose livelihood isn't tied to the decisions they say Kubiak should make) said we should cut Kareem. Briesel was undrafted, We got Myers for a 6th round pick, but drafted Centers in the 3rd & 4th round who couldn't get him off the field. Derek Newton was a sixth round pick, Ryan Harris has been here longer. We cut Antonio Caldwell to keep Ben Jones & Brandon Brooks. Joe Mays takes more snaps than Darryl Sharpton or Tim Dobbins. Hopkins is above Martin, Jean, & Posey.
Your reasoning doesn't fit with real life.
Come On Breh
Waterboy
empty rhetoric and drivel. Kubiak stayed with slaton for as long as he can because that's just what he does. He's loyal to a fault to struggling personnel because that his style. Are you gonna pretend its not? If slaton never got injured he would have been starting still.
Just look at schaub. Look at kevin walter. Look at kareem jackson being left out to dry as starter when he was getting burned week in week out. a benching or re designation as #3 or 4 corner would have helped.
Lets not sweep that common knowledge kubiak trait of being loyal to a fault under the rug for the sake of winning an internet argument. No meaningless "he worked harder" empty quote is going to change an institutional problem (especially with bad coaches) with the texans.
Yea, lets cut a talented player instead of fire an incompetent special teams coach. Again, institutional/historical problem.
actually that's on kubiak. he's the head coach and the buck stops with him. Its on him. They are sticking with keo because he was draft pick favorite by wade or smith and they want to save face by trotting him out there despite his deficiencies.
Again, historical/institutional problem.
yea won 2 back to back divisional titles when the colts imploded with peyton's neck along with being a member of a division that involves perennial losers titans and jacksonville. Its fools gold and it was proven by the thumping new england and green bay gave us.
yea because undrafted guys never pan out and because kubiak is so great at picking QBs. Real life is that matt schaub just set the nfl record for most pick 6s in history, the entire city of houston is calling for his ouster, the media is ripping him, and fans are burning jersey.
13 interceptions in his last 8 games. Major reason why we have the record that we have while we have two young qbs who showed great promise in preseason.
That's real life.
Its not blind hope with keenum, its that schaub is playing so bad that any option other than him could be better.
dream_team
Hall of Fame
Good response. I said something similar, but you put it better. I'm sure he'll still stand by his statements.
dtran04
Veteran
This is a SLOW offense. Not a single person has the ability to take it to the house on a slant or blow by someone on a fly route. Players get open from the scheme.
If "the house" is less than 60 yards away, we've seen Ben Tate show the ability to get it done.
If it's less than 17 yards away, Arian has demonstrated the necessary skillz to make it happen.
dtran04
Veteran
Unfortunately, Tate gets about 8-10 touches a game before fumbling and getting benched.
houstonspartan
All Pro
The Rams may be terrible, but, we are forgetting they are coached by a guy who knows this team very, very well...
All I can say is that it better be a short f'n leash that Mr. Pick Six is on or I won't tune in until we have a new QB. I will support the team and root for them as there is still plenty of season left, but Schaub needs to at least sit and get his damn head straight for a couple of games and then if earned get another shot.
He needs to be sent to Rick's Office to sign a new contract as well. QB's with 30 million guaranteed dollars shouldn't be in the record books for most pick six games in a row.
He needs to be sent to Rick's Office to sign a new contract as well. QB's with 30 million guaranteed dollars shouldn't be in the record books for most pick six games in a row.
Real life is that 32 teams also passed 7 times on Kurt Warner, Warren Moon, John Randal, James Harrison, London Fletcher, Arian Foster, Wes Welker, Brian Waters, Adam Vinitiri, Priest Holmes, Rod Smith, Jeff Saturday, Victor Cruz.
So being passed over by every team in the draft does not mean you can not play and play very well.
No, but it mean you wait your turn.
bOODRO87
Time Consumer
That thinking process is beyond dated and asinine. Kinda like these old dinosaurs in congress who think pot is a dangerous drug. Did I miss something in preseason that I'm not seeing? Sure, TJ could get out of the pocket and complete a pass on the run. But Case, those TDs to Jean, hitting WRs in stride, and the back of the end zone throw to Griffin in Dallas. I could never see Matt or TJ make those.
It seems you missed the fact that it was preseason.
bOODRO87
Time Consumer
Oh right, because surrounding him with the talent we have on 1st string could never be positive and those big, bullying 1st string defenses would intercept every pass. What was I thinking..
You don't want to go down this road. The number of UDFAs that never amounted to anything is far greater than the number of UDFAs that were able to carve out an NFL career.
I am not saying that it is impossible that Keenum becomes a legit NFL player... but it is highly unlikely.
Personally, I doubt it happens. I was not impressed with him in college, and while he looked good in pre-season- it was pre-season. However, I actually want him to get some playing time (soon), as I am excited by the fact that there are two possible outcomes- 1) Keenum is the god that the UofH fans believe, and the Texans' QB problems are thus solved, or 2) Keenum shows that he is nothing special, and the UofH fans shut up about him. Either way, I win.
I think it can happen. Kubiak made Schaub a starter sight unseen. He's made Schaub a pretty successful NFL QB. I think he can do just as much with Keenum when Keenum's ready.
It doesn't make sense that Keenum went undrafted, but Kubiak is the only HC who saw enough in him to give him a shot, then saw enough to put him on the roster.
But now he's an idjit because he won't play him. If Keenum is going to see real playing time in the NFL, it's going to be because Kubiak gives him the oportunity. Kubiak may be married to Schaub, but Keenum is married to Kubiak.
If Kubiak is not here next season, Keenum most likely isn't either. That's reality. Doesn't make sense. His talent is obvious to all of us. I'm not being sarcastic here. But every year there is a flood of potential entering the league every year & Keenum is going to fade away in that sea of potential. So I understand the sense of urgency the fanbois have. For them, it's now or never.
Texan_Bill
Hall of Fame
In this very over-blown, over-zealous hatred for Schaub and Kubiak coupled with the fact that the Texans (irrespective of the fact they should whip St. Louis), this is a really good point. Fisher knows the Texans very well.
While I expect a win, the point about "Porn 'stache (who went grey goatee guy)" is a very valid point. His defenses have always played the Texans well.
This also applies to players that are drafted far more of them amount to nothing than ones that do.
But the percentages are different. You random first rounder will be better than your random UDFA a vast majority of the time (provided the sample size is large enough). Same thing goes with UDFA vs. 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th, and 7th rounders. Granted, the further down you get in the draft the less of a difference there is, but the basic point stands.
I'm not saying you are wrong just that even some UDFAs have value even if no one thought enough to draft. Saying that UDFAs should have to wait their turn is nonsense. If the person has proven to be better than what you have you play them no matter when they were or were not drafted.
Texecutioner
Hall of Fame
That is exactly it. There won't be a next year for Keenum unless he proves what he has this season. I don't think anyone would care if he just got a few games and ended up playing really poorly. NO ONE has suggested that it is for sure that Keenum will open up the scoreboard or anything, but with his arm and his mobility and the recent successes of a lot of young QB's leads a lot of spectators room to believe that Keenum just might be one of those diamond in the rough players out there. We need to see though.
The thing about it is that if this "decision" was about saving his job, well my job if I were Kubiak, I'd go with Case now. Especially if he had any reason to be suspicious of Matt's foot.
Sure, CnD knew about the foot, but obviously the Texans' doctors don't. I'd blame his foot anyway, say "How was I supposed to know? We rolled the dice & it came up snake eyes."
Then go with Keenum. The fans would have sympothy for him, McNair would understand. He can still bring in a QB in the off-season to "compete" with Keenum.
Of course, Kubiak may think he has time to play the Keenum card. Still, if there was any question about his foot, now would be the time.
silvrhand
All Pro
It's more than the foot it's just simply really really bad decisions by Matt. There is no way Case starts over TJ guys, it'll be TJ up and only if TJ gets hurt and Matt comes in and plays horribly does Case get his shot.
TejasTom
All Pro
Vinny
shiny happy fan
Schaub has really only had one awful game. 2-3 with one of the better defenses in the NFL ....gotta be some tingling left. Enjoy good defense. Go ahead and throw in the towel if the Lambs beat us though.
Was that the Ravens or the Niners game?
Sunday will be a disaster for this franchise. The fans have turned on Schaub. There will be zero room for error without incessant booing. And that will be from the 1st quarter on. How can Kubiak not see this? How can McNair not? How far is their heads up their arse to not see that benching Schaub is not the right move any way you look at it. I don't get it. This game should be on Halloween, because it will be a straight up horror show.
Trail.Blazr
Hooked up to a Kool-Aid IV
You're right, it could get really ugly. While just a very small percentage, the fans burning a jersey and showing up at Schaub's house are representative of something much deeper in the fan base. There is discontent stemming from frustration at decades of futility in this city.
The Rockets won championships and the Astros finally made it to the World Series, but this is a football town and always has been. Which is why decades of built-up disgruntlement are showing in the cracks of this fan base. It is probably not fair to put all of that discontent on one man's shoulders, but it is what it is right now.
McNair may or may not be aware of the depth of dissatisfaction in this city. He's not from around here, so while one can learn, it is much different than experiencing it. Much of the grievances among Houston football fans were planted into us as children. And there has been nothing since then to free us from the shackles of historical disappointment.
infantrycak and I have talked quite a bit about the difference in perspective and attitude among Texans fans that were old Oilers fans versus those that were Cowboys fans. Oilers fans expect the choke, never truly feel safe with a lead, and are just waiting for the other shoe to fall. And everything in our city's sports history has done nothing but sustain that attitude. Cowboys fans, on the other hand, were conditioned to never give up because those '70's Cowboys teams were known to come from behind and bring home championships.
Sunday could be the rumblings of a very sinister volcano about to erupt in Houston if the Texans come out flat and Schaub continues to meltdown. If they lose to the Rams, it might be the lowest point in Texans history so far. Yeah, 2-14 was bad, but we knew it from the beginning of that season. They fired their OC just two games into the season. This year we were drinking Super Bowl koolaide before being pimp slapped by the last four games.
Obviously, most of us hope this never happens and the Rams game is the beginning of a rebound. Even though I'm not a Kubiak or Schaub fan, I still want this team to win every game. Hoping for a crappy season to get the coach fired is not in my mentality. It's a betrayal that I cannot grasp.
