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Kubiak sticking with Schaub - still named starter

Uncle Rico said:
It's ignorant to blame one person for losses in football.

I get it Schaub is stinking it up and he's the scapegoat, but when you go over the film with a fine toothed comb you can see how much this team is flawed and how many variables lead to a loss.

If we are packing it in then send out Keenum or Yates I'm fine with starting over, but don't expect them to be a football messiah who will lead these guys to the promised land.
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I bet if I look hard enough the earth's axis and/or the northern lights made the sun reflect too hard in the stadium so it was not on Schaub. fap fap fap

I'm sure there are some minute details we could debate. Unfortunately none of that matters. Schaub shat his pants, the game was lost /end

Not sure who think's Yates or Keenum would be world beaters. Money says they don't set NFL record for pick 6's.:bender:
 
Uncle Rico said:
How good is this defense on 3rd/4th downs? Stats don't tell the full story. How many points has the defense scored? They suck against the run. I'm not giving them a free pass because the stats won't cloud what I see on the field.
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do you watch the rest of the NFL? Nobody runs out a perfect offense or defense. Fact is that this defense would have even better stats and would not be on their heels if not for the QB putting them in bad situations.

I'll only agree on one thing you posted....Sharpton is awful. He gets SWALLOWED up on blocks and can't shed. Dude cost us a few stops this last weekend.
 
Kubiak holding on to Schaub as the starter is not about loyalty. It's about pride and ego. He invested too much into Schaub and to flip on him now is equivalent to admitting it was a mistake or he was wrong. It's all about pride and ego. The same reason why McNair hasn't fire Kubiak. It's about not having to admit you're wrong.
 
Uncle Rico said:
How do you know the defense holds? They were getting burned the entire second half! The INT tied the game, it didn't lose it. Poor defensive plays and mental errors lost the game.
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If by entire second half you mean the one TD drive in the fourth quarter, yeah, I guess that's true. However, looking at the entire second half (not OT), here are the Seahawk drives:

3 plays, -2 yards, punt
6 plays, 19 yards, punt
3 plays, 0 yards, FG (after Tate's fumble)
14 plays, 98 yards, TD
3 plays, 2 yards, INT
1 play, -1 yard, end of regulation

5 real possessions, 117 total yards- doesn't look like they were getting burned to me.
 
The defense has played great, but you have to admit that teams aren't exactly taking risks against our defense. The gameplan to beat the Texans is not to turn the ball over and play field position. SF didn't throw the ball downfield unless the guy was wide open.
 
klockWork said:
Kubiak holding on to Schaub as the starter is not about loyalty. It's about pride and ego. He invested too much into Schaub and to flip on him now is equivalent to admitting it was a mistake or he was wrong. It's all about pride and ego. The same reason why McNair hasn't fire Kubiak. It's about not having to admit you're wrong.
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I don't think originally getting Schaub was a mistake...he did well for them, and got them to a certain point...Kubiak just needs to realize he's not productive anymore and move on.

As a caveat, obviously giving him that extension was a mistake.
 
TexansSeminole said:
The defense has played great, but you have to admit that teams aren't exactly taking risks against our defense. The gameplan to beat the Texans is not to turn the ball over and play field position. SF didn't throw the ball downfield unless the guy was wide open.
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Teams don't have to take risks against our defense because, right now, they should know our offense will give them a few gifts each game. That shouldn't take anything away from how the defense has performed.

When it comes down to it, if you take away the gift points the Texans have given up by turnovers deep in our territory, pick 6's, and the punt return against Baltimore, the defense is only giving up 16 points a game. That's really good. The offense and special teams are essentially giving up 12 points a game. That's horrible.
 
This world beating defense should have stopped Wilson on 4th and 3 and all this banter is moot, but hold onto whatever accolade you want. For my money KC, SEA, and SF are better defenses than what we have here.
 
Uncle Rico said:
This world beating defense should have stopped Wilson on 4th and 3 and all this banter is moot, but hold onto whatever accolade you want. For my money KC, SEA, and SF are better defenses than what we have here.
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ok, so you'd take 3 other defenses. So with the 4th best (your list) defense you are gonna cry about that? How much would you moan if we actually had a mediocre defense?
 
Uncle Rico said:
This world beating defense should have stopped Wilson on 4th and 3 and all this banter is moot, but hold onto whatever accolade you want. For my money KC, SEA, and SF are better defenses than what we have here.
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They aren't. If Texans had a mobile qb he would expose all those defenses.
 
Vinny said:
ok, so you'd take 3 other defenses. So with the 4th best (your list) defense you are gonna cry about that? How much would you moan if we actually had a mediocre defense?
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Haha, you ninja'ed me..was about to post basically same thing.

Not only that, I mean 4th and 3. Not even 2000 Ravens or 1970's Steelers stopped EVERY 4th and 3 lol. If it was 4th and 15 ok, I get it.....4th and 3?.......................
 
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You may as well run the ball if your average P/A pass is only 3 yards.

None of Schaub’s play action passes this season have been thrown more than 20 yards downfield, a stark contrast to the previous two seasons.

In fact, Schaub’s average play action pass has been thrown 3.8 yards downfield this season (9.7 yards the previous two seasons), a deeper average than only Blaine Gabbert.

As a result, the Texans have only four 30-plus yard pass plays, tied for 26th in the NFL. None of those pass plays for Texans have come via play action.
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http://espn.go.com/blog/houston-texans
 
I need to find a job where I can make big mistakes every week that cause me to not be successful but still get paid the big bucks while low and behold... I can just hold myself accountable. :) how great would that be...
 
tedr said:
Teams don't have to take risks against our defense because, right now, they should know our offense will give them a few gifts each game. That shouldn't take anything away from how the defense has performed.

When it comes down to it, if you take away the gift points the Texans have given up by turnovers deep in our territory, pick 6's, and the punt return against Baltimore, the defense is only giving up 16 points a game. That's really good. The offense and special teams is essentially giving up 12 points a game. That's horrible.
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That's all true and I agree that the defense is playing well, but you can't say "let's take out these circumstances within each game and look at how things have gone." Everything that happens is part of the game and influences the way teams play against you.
 
Vinny said:
Texans defense #1 in tha NFL, allowing a paltry 260.2 ypg. Jets are 2nd way back at 299 ypg
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If that's 260.2 ypg out of 1000, that's pretty good. If that's 260.2 ypg out of 300, not so much.

If our offense & ST is so bad they've only got to put cover 300 ypg to score 34 points...... how good are we doing?

I believe our defense is playing well, very well. But not as good as the talent we've got on that side of the ball should be playing. If you give up two 70+ yard TD scoring drives in a game, that's a problem. If you give up a 90+ TD Scoring drive & an 80 yard scoring drive in the same game, that's a problem. If you give up a 99 yard TD scoring drive, that's a problem. If you've given up 9 TDs & a field goal in 10 red zone situations, that's a problem.

Not our biggest problem. But there is no way that Matt Schaub, Tj Yates, or Case Keenum are going to be able to hang with Denver (or New England when they get it figured out, & they will) if we're playing defense the way we're playing now. Especially since we are not generating any turn overs.
 
Uncle Rico said:
This world beating defense should have stopped Wilson on 4th and 3 and all this banter is moot, but hold onto whatever accolade you want. For my money KC, SEA, and SF are better defenses than what we have here.
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Yeah but you think you can throw that football over them mountains so I gotta take that with a grain of salt.
 
When the game is on the line is when special defenses step up, routine plays are meaningless if you can't get off the field on 3rd downs.

Who's whining? I'm simply stating the obvious, I would think that a Mod would have a more objective view but as is normal on this site they just insult, bait and lead the pach in all around abrasiveness. Take your blinders off bro.
 
thunderkyss said:
If that's 260.2 ypg out of 1000, that's pretty good. If that's 260.2 ypg out of 300, not so much.

If our offense & ST is so bad they've only got to put cover 300 ypg to score 34 points...... how good are we doing?

I believe our defense is playing well, very well. But not as good as the talent we've got on that side of the ball should be playing. If you give up two 70+ yard TD scoring drives in a game, that's a problem. If you give up a 90+ TD Scoring drive & an 80 yard scoring drive in the same game, that's a problem. If you give up a 99 yard TD scoring drive, that's a problem. If you've given up 9 TDs & a field goal in 10 red zone situations, that's a problem.

Not our biggest problem. But there is no way that Matt Schaub, Tj Yates, or Case Keenum are going to be able to hang with Denver (or New England when they get it figured out, & they will) if we're playing defense the way we're playing now. Especially since we are not generating any turn overs.
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Be careful, using logic and common sense with this group might get you lynched!!
 
Uncle Rico said:
When the game is on the line is when special defenses step up, routine plays are meaningless if you can't get off the field on 3rd downs.

Who's whining? I'm simply stating the obvious, I would think that a Mod would have a more objective view but as is normal on this site they just insult, bait and lead the pach in all around abrasiveness. Take your blinders off bro.
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why would a moderator have some sort of group-think opinion? If you don't like it here I can fix that you know.
 
thunderkyss said:
But there is no way that Matt Schaub, Tj Yates, or Case Keenum are going to be able to hang with Denver (or New England when they get it figured out, & they will) if we're playing defense the way we're playing now. Especially since we are not generating any turn overs.
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You're assuming the few defensive woes we have can all be laid at the feet of the Defense. It just isn't so.

If the Texans Offense could generate long drives and points, it changes the calculus of the opposing team's gameplan. As it stands right now, the Texans Defense is losing hope and motivation with the Offense laying (goose) eggs.

When you don't score a TD for more than 6 quarters, there's damn little your Defense can do.
 
So what if Keenum isn't even active for the Rams game? Yates is obviously the #2, but if the #3 isn't even active, that tells me he is not even preparing for the possibility of yanking Schaub.
 
Vinny said:
why would a moderator have some sort of group-think opinion? If you don't like it here I can fix that you know.
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Do what you have to do, Gestapo tactics don't get far with me anyways. You should allow the site to grow and have different modes of thought instead of force feeding your agenda. My life will still be awesome without Texans Talk, would yours?
 
Vinny said:
everybody is just squatting on that short/intermediate pass now.
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Understandable so what else is keeping the ball from going downfield? Is it play calling? Line play? Another symptom or symptoms have to be compounding Schaub's disease
 
Uncle Rico said:
Do what you have to do, Gestapo tactics don't get far with me anyways. You should allow the site to grow and have different modes of thought instead of force feeding your agenda. My life will still be awesome without Texans Talk, would yours?
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You're assuming people just take what Vinny says and run with it, because he is a moderator or something?

I always see a wide range of opinion on the site.
 
I expect Schaub to start - with at least 1 pick and no TDs he will be benched at half. 2 picks and a loss would mean he is benched after the game.

If we win the game and he only throws 1 pick he will remain the starter.

Schaub is aweful this season and I don`t know why. He never was elite, but he was an above average QB for most of his time. Sure, he always had this one terrible stupid throw per game, but overall he moved the ball well. This year we see one brain fart after the next and a lot of problems with his accuracy (even the caught passes are usually low or high and that means no big runs after the catch).

If we can get the Schaub from the past back, I wouldn`t mind him remaining the starter - but the way he is playing (getting worse each game) he has to be benched. Unfortunately I don`t believe Yates or Keenum gives us the better chance to win - but at least they give us the hope that they can improve...
 
I'm telling ya, this cat's going to keep Schaub around for at least another year. I'd expect nothing more than status quo

I'm usually not a negative Nancy. I truly want all of them to succeed, including Kubiak and Schaub. I just think this offense has hit the ceiling. Teams have figured out how to scheme against it. But, we'll keep rolling it out there expecting different results. Sure, we'll win some, but not against the upper echelon
 
Exactly (disaacks3). This is much like the years when our offense was throwing the ball around, piling up yards and points, and struggling to stay in games while the defense was giving up yards and points like crazy.... only reversed. Did anyone think that Kubiak wanted Schaub throwing the ball that much? Of course not. The failure of the defense to stop anybody made it a necessity to keep the pedal down on offense.

Now the fact that the offense won't score any points, or only scores them in one quarter and then parks itself in neutral the rest of the day is causing the defense to stay out there too long and to play under the kind of pressure you get when you know that any points you give up will be the margin of defeat since the offense isn't doing squat. When the offense gets all over the other team then your defense can take more chances because your opponent's offense has to become one dimensional to try and get back into the game.

We rarely see offenses doing that now because we're always playing keep-up/catch-up.
 
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The best shot for this team to win this season is for someone to go over the matt and slap the sh!t out of him, have him wake up and get his sh!t together. Everyone is talking about physical issues but I think most of this is mental which can be harder to deal with. If Matt was 135/212 8 td 4 int we would be 3-1 or 4-0.

Tj isnt going 135/212 8 Td and probably not 9 ints

Case despite his fan base I dont think he would go 64%
 
Welp, looks like Uncle Rico got booted.....thread pages all jacked up and I can't see his posts anymore.

Did he just have a total meltdown or what? I saw he was getting pretty upset.
 
DX-TEX said:
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America hates us
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Haha, I like that somehow WV is the other state with TX. That said who cares, the US public also elected the last 2 Presidents (obviously all Presidents but you get the point).

Public poll = shake weight cream.
 
DX-TEX said:
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People think Matt is just the best QB on the team. When you talk to non-texan fans about it, it isn't. "Give Case a shot, I like what I've seen with him."

It's "Whose case? What other option do you really have?"

It's like the first take discussion where Steven A Smith was like "Meh" on Yates and Skip told him who Case was and then that swayed his opinion a bit.
 
HTown2ATX said:
Haha, I like that somehow WV is the other state with TX. That said who cares, the US public also elected the last 2 Presidents (obviously all Presidents but you get the point).

Public poll = shake weight cream.
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fiasco west said:
People think Matt is just the best QB on the team. When you talk to non-texan fans about it, it isn't. "Give Case a shot, I like what I've seen with him."

It's "Whose case? What other option do you really have?"

It's like the first take discussion where Steven A Smith was like "Meh" on Yates and Skip told him who Case was and then that swayed his opinion a bit.
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I posted this on a different NFL forum I post at and they all said they have their own teams best interests in mind. Basically they all feel if you put any good QB on that team it is scary for the rest of the league.

Maybe I should forward this to Kubiak
 
DX-TEX said:
I posted this on a different NFL forum I post at and they all said they have their own teams best interests in mind. Basically they all feel if you put any good QB on that team it is scary for the rest of the league.

Maybe I should forward this to Kubiak
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That was my first thought when I saw that poll. Of course they think Schaub should start! It takes the Texans out of the race!!
 
2012Champs said:
Could it be that most people not emotionally connected still think Schaub is the best option?
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It's probably that they haven't watched every Texans game of the season and haven't seen how bad he has actually been. Also, they probably don't know nearly as much about his poor stretch at the end of last year.
 
2012Champs said:
Could it be that most people not emotionally connected still think Schaub is the best option?
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More than likely it deals more with the fact they don't know about the team and it's struggles. They just see a team that won the division and been to the playoffs. That is about it. They look on the surface and won't dive deeper.

How many would know the Patriots game being a downward spiral for the Texans? That since that game up til now (including playoffs) we have been outscored 303-205. That out of these 11 games we loss by more than double digits in 6 of them. All they are talking about as is seems to be Romo for one interception (at a critical time albeit) while Schaub threw three with a fourth being dropped and one being returned for a TD. Oh and one of those should have also been returned if it didn't bounce into the air first.

So yeah they don't have nearly as deep of a look into the situation than our fanbase. Just like in the thread started by a Rams visitor here and a few of our posters say they don't know anything about the Rams. That's how fanbases are.
 
2012Champs said:
Could it be that most people not emotionally connected still think Schaub is the best option?
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That could certainly be a factor. They see a "pro bowl QB" with a loaded roster and probably think it's a slump.

2-3 is not the end of the world to the rest of the nation like it seems to be to Houston fans. I still think there is a lot of football left to play even with my current lack of confidence in Schaub.

I've watched a lot of football in the last four decades, and I've seen teams rebound from worse spots. I cannot, and will not, give up hope that this season is lost until it is actually lost.
 
Double Barrel said:
That could certainly be a factor. They see a "pro bowl QB" with a loaded roster and probably think it's a slump.

2-3 is not the end of the world to the rest of the nation like it seems to be to Houston fans. I still think there is a lot of football left to play even with my current lack of confidence in Schaub.

I've watched a lot of football in the last four decades, and I've seen teams rebound from worse spots. I cannot, and will not, give up hope that this season is lost until it is actually lost.
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The Giants ended the Patsies perfect season, so anything is possible I agree. I just don't think it's going to happen with Schaub at QB. We'll see. Predicting the future is always silly. Even X-Files dated the alien invasion for 2012 and they missed. And I trust Mulder and Scully. :)
 
Thorn said:
The Giants ended the Patsies perfect season, so anything is possible I agree. I just don't think it's going to happen with Schaub at QB. We'll see. Predicting the future is always silly. Even X-Files dated the alien invasion for 2012 and they missed. And I trust Mulder and Scully. :)
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Agreed. At this point Schaub is Jake Delhomme, his mind and confidence are completely gone. Combine that with his noodle arm (still believe he had a dead arm from week 12 onward last year) and he is finished as an NFL QB.
 
Anyone here think if the second int wasn't bobble and the guy takes it cleanly to the endzone to make it two pick 6s in a game would that make it easier for kubiak to make a change? What if it was 3 pick 6s, which could have happen in SF?

Even though it didn't happen it still feel like it did to a lot of people I know. So in our minds we essentially have a QB that threw multiple pick 6s in a game that broke NFL record in consecutive games and yet Schaub will run out that field next week along side JJ Watt. Something wrong with this picture.
 
Thorn said:
The Giants ended the Patsies perfect season, so anything is possible I agree. I just don't think it's going to happen with Schaub at QB. We'll see. Predicting the future is always silly. Even X-Files dated the alien invasion for 2012 and they missed. And I trust Mulder and Scully. :)
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Well I certainly agree. I think it's a low probability to see this team win the division, but it's not impossible. That little sliver of possibility is where my hope resides.

But, IMO, they would win in spite of Schaub.
 
disaacks3 said:
You're assuming the few defensive woes we have can all be laid at the feet of the Defense. It just isn't so.

If the Texans Offense could generate long drives and points, it changes the calculus of the opposing team's gameplan. As it stands right now, the Texans Defense is losing hope and motivation with the Offense laying (goose) eggs.

When you don't score a TD for more than 6 quarters, there's damn little your Defense can do.
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That's rationalization. I'm pretty good at it. I'm good at recognizing it as well.
 
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