Its that I was here first "since the begining' therefore what I so goes or don't come to my tailgate attitude thats really wearing thin on folks here.
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Kubiak: Keep or Fire?
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Its that I was here first "since the begining' therefore what I so goes or don't come to my tailgate attitude thats really wearing thin on folks here.
Texecutioner
Hall of Fame
JT, this is really getting old from you now. You call yourself this "ultimate fan" of the Texans, but then constantly go out of your way to insult and flame other Texans fans. And for what? Because they are passionate and want success for their team? That's really ridiculous. That is not what an "ultimate fan" is supposed to be about or stand for. Support the coaching staff all that you want, but don't sit here and trash other people because they want to have a great team. It comes off as embarrassing for you actually.
Texan_Bill
Hall of Fame
Texan_Bill
Hall of Fame
And the poll is getting tighter. I hope it ends up in a dead tie. That's when I'll be accepting bribes for my vote.
Damn, you'll do anything to speed up your retirement..
So that makes him the end all be all of Texan fan?! Yeah he can go be a fan wherever Kubiak ends up.
dalemurphy
Hall of Fame
I agree that accountability is important. However, Kubiak did have Richard Smith replaced after last season. I would argue that he waited one season too long but Kubiak wanted to give Smith a chance with some talent on defense. I think Kubiak will be making upgrades on the OL just like Tomlin plans to. They spent last off-season determined to upgrade the defense. And, it worked. I'd like to see one more season from these guys.
I do agree, though, that crying about injuries is pretty silly. If we'd lost our QB, OTs, Mario, etc... then, that would be extraordinary circumstances... but, most teams have significant injuries and the Colts certainly have.
Texan_Bill
Hall of Fame
dalemurphy
Hall of Fame
I think some of us are being a little misunderstood. I would like to say that I'm not in the "pro Kubiak club"... I'm in the Pro Texan club. I just happen to believe that is in the Texans' best interest to keep him next year, probably... I'm not arguing that he deserves or has earned another season. Like Clint Eastwood said in Unforgiven, "Deserve has got nothing to do with it!"
Thorn
Dirty Old Man
Damn, you'll do anything to speed up your retirement..
LOL
My problem is, I like Kubiak, it's just he hasn't been effective. Besides which, Kubes didn't fumble on the goal line or miss field goals. And yeah yeah yeah yeah, if Kubiak can get the team to actually play for two halves instead of one.....and on and on.
I see both sides and that's why it's hard for me to make up my mind.
Showtime100
Got JJ?
Texan_Bill
Hall of Fame
No the funny thing is that he has irragation listed as his occupation. He certainly is good at funneling poop to this message board.
MannyFresh
El Capitan
I'm thinking Kubiak is in a "safe zone" sort of since there's that "he's done this for us", and "we don't want to tear everything down and rebuild" saying.
There's no telling about Kubiak status.
He's finally in that you mess up, your benched mode with the RBs by sitting Moats after his fumble and C. Brown when he wasn't producing, but why did he wait soooo long to do that instead of that first time the ball popped out of Slaton's hands against the Jets and the C. Brown fumbles? That's what frustrates folks about Kubiak, he doesn't do anything until it's too late.
There's no telling about Kubiak status.
He's finally in that you mess up, your benched mode with the RBs by sitting Moats after his fumble and C. Brown when he wasn't producing, but why did he wait soooo long to do that instead of that first time the ball popped out of Slaton's hands against the Jets and the C. Brown fumbles? That's what frustrates folks about Kubiak, he doesn't do anything until it's too late.
Thorn
Dirty Old Man
I call BS.. You're just holding out for the best offer...
I'll start the bidding at $20.
Showtime100
Got JJ?
I'll start the bidding at $20.
Deal, I take ca$h only.
(I just saw that emoticon earlier and had to use it)
Then don't quote me since the conversation is obviously over your head.
You admittedly don't comprehend but you feel the need to spew anyway? I would type slower for you but I think your inability to understand is deeper than that. Good luck in the slow lane, dude. Infantrycak will honk as he's passing you by in his mighty SUV. [/sarcasm]
It's a shame this issue isn't causing any division amongst the posters. 
In all honesty there really isn't a clear right / wrong answer on this one as valid / logical points exist for both possible answers. (That doesn't necessarily mean that any individual poster is basing his/her decision on logic)
At the end of the day, we're ALL fans who want to see the TEAM succeed - it's just that on this issue, we're divided as to the best way to accomplish that goal.
So...pretty, pretty please stop with the personal attacks BOTH ways. Remember that the guy you're arguing with today may be the guy you're high-fiving with after we do (eventually) make the playoffs!
In all honesty there really isn't a clear right / wrong answer on this one as valid / logical points exist for both possible answers. (That doesn't necessarily mean that any individual poster is basing his/her decision on logic)
At the end of the day, we're ALL fans who want to see the TEAM succeed - it's just that on this issue, we're divided as to the best way to accomplish that goal.
So...pretty, pretty please stop with the personal attacks BOTH ways. Remember that the guy you're arguing with today may be the guy you're high-fiving with after we do (eventually) make the playoffs!
Texan_Bill
Hall of Fame
It's a shame this issue isn't causing any division amongst the posters.
In all honesty there really isn't a clear right / wrong answer on this one as valid / logical points exist for both possible answers. (That doesn't necessarily mean that any individual poster is basing his/her decision on logic)
At the end of the day, we're ALL fans who want to see the TEAM succeed - it's just that on this issue, we're divided as to the best way to accomplish that goal.
So...pretty, pretty please stop with the personal attacks BOTH ways. Remember that the guy you're arguing with today may be the guy you're high-fiving with after we do (eventually) make the playoffs!
Quit hanging out with Thorn..
That's a really good point. People like to rip on Capers, but in four years he won 6 divisional games. Kubiak in four years has won 7. Capers did it with an expansion team bookending the beginning and a 2-14 team the end. (Capers actually went 4-2 in our division in 2004. Kubiak's best is 3-3 - I.E. .500 *SURPRISE!* - in 2006.)
Scoreboard - the only stat that really matters - shows that Kubiak has been slightly marginal improvement over the Capers regime. I just don't see how that is tolerable four years into it, because you really have to buy into a lot of speculation, pointless stats, and a bit of fairy dust of hope to want another year of mediocrity. JMO
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The pessimist complains about the wind; the optimist expects it to change; the realist adjusts the sails.
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Joe Texan
Inducted 04
I aim at the soap droppers who continially Bash a coach who has never been a head coach till he came here and who has lost a serious amount of players (starters) Plus others and still keeps us within a touchdown of winning the games we lost. Every last soap dropper wants to bring in Pittifulsburg and say look at that coach when actually he inherited a superbowl team from Cower. All the soap droppers think they can pursuade Bill Cower to come here and coach when they really have no way to get the guy here in the first place. We have a Coach who wants to win, He is the coach of a young team and the team is making mistakes. When the team does not make mistakes we score high and beat teams. when the team makes mistakes we are still within a touchdown of winning. But that is a Sorry coach or at least that is what the soap is saying.
I will go personal if provoked and Frog why don't you hug up to your cowpie star. You have no Idea who I am or what I know so quit the personal attacks and stick with the why you want Kubiak to anialate the Cowgirls next year.
Second Honeymoon
Hall of Fame
Pitifulsburgh? Did you come up with that all on your own? Simply brilliant.
but yeah 6 Super Bowl trophies is definitely pitiful. nice word play though, you just 'anialated' the competition.
it was a nice touch when you used the 'I aim at the soap droppers who continially Bash a coach who has never been a head coach till he came here'. So we are supposed to feel sorry for Kubiak because he had never been a coach before. Well News Flash dude, he has been a head coach for 4 years. When does that excuse run out? Does it have a statue of limitations? Is it even an excuse or is it just a perennial pity party for Kubiak? 4 years is enough time to get things turned around and he failed. But don't let me stop you from breaking out your kool aid and spiking it with ignorance. We have heard it all before.
At least Kubiak waits till the season is basically over to give his great pregame speeches. Well played Kubiak. Sorry if his speech and the win fell on deaf ears. I, like you, populate that endzone and cheer right alongside you for our home team, but after 4 years the excuses get a little old. Didn't we learn anything from the whole Carr excuse farming or are you still blaming the Offensive Line for his faleyours? He who does not learn from history is destined to rippeet it.
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Thorn
Dirty Old Man
Maybe his point was, at this time we are a better team than the Steelers, and I would have to agree with him. Just because they have 6 trophies doesn't mean they are ALWAYS a super bowl team. They are looking pretty ragged right now.
Your the one in the middle right? 
GP
Go Texans!
Joe,
Answer this question with a reasonable answer, please:
QUESTION:How can you be in favor of retaining Kubiak when he can't beat our divisional opponents? When he can't even go .500 against them?
The Jags and the Titans are in a funk this season, and they were VERY ripe for the taking. How can you sit there and support a head coach who this season has won ONE game vs. our divisional rivals? Out of six divisional games, Kubiak's Texans have won ONE game. ONE.
Are we to believe that our players are THAT bad, Joe? Are they? Are you in the stands and really ripping our players a new a-hole because of how badly they have played? Are you as vocal towards our DUMB players as you are against us dumb old soapers?
Can you sit on your throne and honestly say that Gary Kubiak has put this team into position to win every week? Why has the defense played consistent, hard-nosed football, and put this offense into position to win while the offense has literally choked games away when it counts the most?
Couldn't it be that there is one side of the ball who has a good gameday coach and the other side of the ball is led by a man who cannot put games away? A half-back pass in the Red Zone when your bread-and-butter is Andre Freaking Johnson? Not allowing your QB to audible unless it's to a running play? Even Kris Brown has caught the bug--A direct result of knowing that it's going to always come down to HIS leg in order to win games and save the coach's ass every week.
You're mostly a great deal of fun to have around, but I can't see where you make a good case as to WHY Gary Kubiak escapes responsibility for the debacle of this season. The OWNER said he expected playoffs this season. The players said the same thing.
This team can do better. But they need a better man to help them.
I could care less if the offense racks up great stats. Ask Oilers fans what good THAT has done for the team and its fans. Right now, I'm growing in my respect of Fisher and Del Rio (which I never thought I would say) but it's true: They have a killer instinct, and Gary doesn't. And that bleeds over into the players, Joe. It really does.
So tell me why Gary Kubiak, with his track record of infertility when it comes to conceiving and birthing that big CLUTCH win, should get to come back.
You would have a better chance at getting an intelligent answer from South Carolinas representative in the 2007 Miss Teen USA Pageant.
I loved that Gambler team. Talk about a fun team to watch.
HoustonFrog
Dallas Frog
Come on. You have been going around for 2 weeks now putting everyone on blast and cussing and personally attacking everyone. It is a joke that you can't have a rational conversation when there are good points that many people have discussed. You attacked everyone on here who wants Kubses gone and then made an completely inane point. I countered and there is nothing you can say. It is funny that a fan of another team has been here years and can debate football more passionately and with more facts about the Texans than someone who considers themselves a true fan. I'm just tired of the hit and run slam posts you use.
Basically there is no counter to the fact that Kubes is horrible within the division. Has 26 wins with only 7 against winning teams. According to you and many others he has a) more talent; b) a better offense and c) a better defense yet he has ended up with the same record 3 years straight after 13 weeks and may do worse this season at the end of the year. This is a coach that had to pull out the pep talks of all pep talks this week to beat the Seahawks. A little late to inspire so late huh?I also have heard over and over how he is so nice and the players love the guy. Yet these players that would go to battle for Kubiak can't win important games for him and blow big games for him. This is the same coach that for 3 years has made the same mistakes and same game day preperations that has had his team lose on opening day to rookie QBs and who has come out flat in losses. They never play complete games. So tell me what makes it respectable to think that a franchise should not look for more out of a coach than one who can turn out .500 teams that allegedly are more loaded?
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Joe Texan
Inducted 04
First of all I never run anywhere Frog and what is it there is not enough going on in Dallas that you come here and talk tough.
Kubiak will be here another year because he has kept the team within less than a touchdown of 90% of the games we lost, We had major injuries although the soap droppers will swear that the Pro Bowl tight End we had did not contribute enough to get us over the less than a touchdown delimma (better spell check that teach) we have been in. We have been playing second string guards and that make meyers a second string center. Gary has turned over 90% of Capers roster in 4 years and it will be more this year. We are steadily getting better at depth and the ability to stay in games but because we do not win the coach Sucks, Not. All you no patients having couch coaches need to take a deep breath and get ready to jump back on the wagon when you see us winning cause I know all of you will. As far as the division games it is like this. no matter how bad a team is in a rivalry game, They will come out to win at all costs. One win is not acceptable if we had a full team but we did not and when we have players go down it hurts us more because of the youngness of our team. All this 3 years and out is pathetic. After three years at my job I was still learning the ins and outs of how the industry worked. on to Jeff Fisher who was mentioned above. He went 8 and 8 for three years but did Bud the Dud dump him, nope and guess what, two great seasons and one Superbowl appearance. No matter how you slice it Gary Kubiak is making improvements and is going to be here next year.
Kubiak will be here another year because he has kept the team within less than a touchdown of 90% of the games we lost, We had major injuries although the soap droppers will swear that the Pro Bowl tight End we had did not contribute enough to get us over the less than a touchdown delimma (better spell check that teach) we have been in. We have been playing second string guards and that make meyers a second string center. Gary has turned over 90% of Capers roster in 4 years and it will be more this year. We are steadily getting better at depth and the ability to stay in games but because we do not win the coach Sucks, Not. All you no patients having couch coaches need to take a deep breath and get ready to jump back on the wagon when you see us winning cause I know all of you will. As far as the division games it is like this. no matter how bad a team is in a rivalry game, They will come out to win at all costs. One win is not acceptable if we had a full team but we did not and when we have players go down it hurts us more because of the youngness of our team. All this 3 years and out is pathetic. After three years at my job I was still learning the ins and outs of how the industry worked. on to Jeff Fisher who was mentioned above. He went 8 and 8 for three years but did Bud the Dud dump him, nope and guess what, two great seasons and one Superbowl appearance. No matter how you slice it Gary Kubiak is making improvements and is going to be here next year.
Jottoz
Veteran
Great Post Joe!
I agree we are at the front door. We just have not kicked it in!
We WILL!
Hmmm, just doesn't compel me to switch sides. I keep thinking about these quotes and what it takes to win those games that are within a touchdown.
The habit of losing must be broken. It will take a winner to break that habit. Someone that will shake this organization out of its morass and make the game of football the #1 priority. That man is not Gary Kubiak.Vince Lombardi said:
Im impressed, you actually put some effort in this post. I mean you still dont have a good argument but hey at least you tried. Now where to begin, hmm I dont want to throw to much at you at once so Ill start with
All this 3 years and out is pathetic. After three years at my job I was still learning the ins and outs of how the industry worked.
Kubiak has had 4 years not 3.
AND
on to Jeff Fisher who was mentioned above. He went 8 and 8 for three years but did Bud the Dud dump him, nope and guess what, two great seasons and one Superbowl appearance.
Jeff Fisher was working under some very strange conditions when he reached game 60 of his coaching career. Fisher took over the Houston Oilers in midseason, replacing a fired Jack Pardee. Fisher went 1-5 that season. The next year, 1995, the Oilers were 7-9, but the whole uproar over whether the Oilers were getting a new stadium or were departing for Nashville was already well underway. The team went 8-8 under difficult circumstances in 1996 and 8-8 in 1997 as the team practiced in Nashville and played games in Memphis.
The Tennessee Oilers were 3-3 when Fisher hit the 60-game mark in 1998. They would finish that season at 8-8, and the next year, they would go to the Super Bowl. So while it's rather nice of you to provide us idiots with those comparisons, they're not really apt comparisons.
Kubiak's not dealing with the distraction of a franchise moving to another city. And he's yet to get his team to the playoffs, and Fisher wasnt making the same bone headed mistakes over and over again. So good try but NAAAAAAAAA!
Grams
Veteran
And the hurricane last year was not a distraction?
MannyFresh
El Capitan
OMG seriously!? That's reaching...seriously!?
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HoustonFrog
Dallas Frog
Fisher had to have his team play at 4 stadiums in 4 years. Constantly adjusting and moving. He did this and still got to .500 with less talent than many teams. Starting one season like that isn't the same. This is also a coach who just took an 0-6 team and has them with the same record as the Texans...the team that has improved every year for 3 years....right?
I'm at a loss for words too right now. I doubt Saints fan would use Katrina as an excuse, totally irrelevant on the topic at hand.
Second Honeymoon
Hall of Fame
geez, you do realize that other teams have injuries too, right? you do realize that the Texans have had far less injuries than the average NFL team? you do realize that injuries are not an excuse, right?
3 years and out? learn to count. It has been 4 years. That is one greater than 3.
staying in games and then blowing it with bad execution and bad coaching decisions isn't a positive for Kubiak. in fact, its an indictment of Kubiak and shows that we already have the talent but its just being wasted under the tutelage and 'leadership' of your boyfriend, Kubiak.
I don't know what has your coochie so warm for Kubiak, but it sure as hell isn't the results. He has a pathetic divisional record, pathetic record against winning football teams, and a pathetic record THIS year. 6-7 isn't good unless you continue to compare ourselves to the Lions and Raiders of the world.
Just grow up and realize that fans have a right to want Kubiak gone. he has been a loser for 4 years but it sounds like you want to have him re-signed and brought back at any cost to somehow prove you know what you are talking about. sorry, but you don't. your just another carebear homer for losing football that needs to get a life and stop acting like a losing record is some talisman of hope. you also need to stop making excuses for a guy who is 4 years into his job. it just falls on deaf ears and it is truly pathetic.
but continue with your whining and crying about your fellow fans and continue with your excuses and ignorant hypotheticals and comparisons. it is truly pathetic.
simply put, what has Kubiak done to show you he is worthy of keeping his job? is a losing record good enough for you? is it because he is from Houston? is it because is from College Station? is it because he is your boyfriend? we don't know but we are all wondering. it sure as hell isn't his performance or his record.
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BIG TORO
TERADACTYL #23
There are still more people supporting Kubiak than not, thats including the players, you do not want the players playing for a coach that they dont like. you guys talk about patience, you better have patience if we get a new coach cuz its going to be another few years to make some of you guys happy!
P.S. I voted YES!
P.S. I voted YES!
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Thorn
Dirty Old Man
Patients? The Texans have several on the injured list. What we need around here is more patience. LOL
Second Honeymoon
Hall of Fame
why is it that the Kubiak supporters on this board all have the relative intellgence of a lump of coal? coincidence?
me thinks not
of course the players support Kubiak. he runs a Club Med operation and takes all the blame. they know that if another coach comes in here its gonna get a lot tougher....and you know what? It NEEDS to get a lot tougher. Kubiak is just a big softie aww shucks good ole boy loser who is, by definition, a 4 year proven loser. He IS a loser. You can not argue that. Its a fact.
Look at what happens when the guy actually tries to coach and calls out players weak effort (Mario comes to mind). The team goes out and plays well. You don't wait till the season is over to get in players faces and to get them to play up to their talent level. You do that Weeks 1-17 and into the playoffs. We cant have a coach that doesn't start coaching and doing his job until the season is over and there is nothing to play for.
Oh and excuse me if I don't start doing backflips over the Seattle win. They have been blown out on multiple occassions this year and are pretty much the Texans of the NFC. In other words, pillowy soft losers. Well I guess we should have a freaking parade because of the win. After all, its gotten us almost to the holy grail of Kubiak football. 8-8.
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Kaiser Toro
Native Mod
BIG TORO
TERADACTYL #23
lol thanks thorn!
BIG TORO
TERADACTYL #23
I got your lump of coal!
Thorn
Dirty Old Man
attack the post, not the poster.
It's not just a rule, it's the right thing to do.
MannyFresh
El Capitan
HoustonFrog
Dallas Frog
I'm so tired of hearing this b.s. So the players have loved playing for Kubiak for 4 years and what has that gotten them? They don't seem to step up for a coach they like. You don't coach to have buddies. You coach to get respect and win. Players cussed Jimmy Johnson. Did you hear the stories about him on planes after wins?He would tear apart guys who fumbled and who made dumb mistakes. He didn't care about them liking him, just getting them in position to win. They didn't want to lose their jobs so they played hard. It doesn't take having a BFF at coach to win. See Landry, see Knoll, see Coughlin, see Belichick, etc, etc.