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Josh Conerly Jr. vs Kelvin Banks Jr.
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beerlover
Hall of Fame
Of course I do. Just look at the Texans reaction post draft - they went free agency immediately after the draft (missed out on early board IOL board prospects) signing Jake Andrews, Center, former Patriot 4th rd. pick. Are they going to kick Ersery or Fisher inside? One thing for sure these, all Popovich guys so I'm assuming they expect he can coach them up ala Patriot style.
Several of us here our second round target was Tate Ratledge OG Georgia. Willing to trade up for him too. Lets just say Texans selected him instead of Ersery #48? They still had two thirds, use one on Jaylin Noel and other trade up a couple spots like they did but instead of drafting USC CB Jaylin Smith draft OT Charles Grant #99? Oh yeah, FCS small school prospect. Lol
I would agree that generally, Patterson being example of exception, starting offensive linenen go earlier rather than later. Hence we saw run on Guards & Tackles in first then Texsns trading up in the second.
beerlover
Hall of Fame
Fits Eagles OL must be at least 6’6“
Errant Hothy
Hypermediocrity
Ok, so if drafting a second OL in the late rounds would make you feel better, who would that have been?
You cited the Lions, Cowboys and Commanders as teams who draft OL better; and of the those the two teams who drafted two OL did so by taking one early and one late. So, let's stick with Ersery as the early, who is the late round OL that you wanted them to take?
Ratledge may have been "your" second round target, but he wasn't the team's. Now I think a valid argument can be made at the FO inability to properly scout OL, but also I think Caserio knows that their previous methodology was flawed and have taken steps to change it. It sounds like the crux of your compliant is that the Texans draft board was differnt from your own.
As for Grant, I think we have to accept that small school guys are just not valued by the Texans FO as much as they are by the fans/draft media.
beerlover
Hall of Fame
Cowboys, Raiders, Seahawks, Patriots, Bears, Ravens & Super Bowl Champion Philadelphia Eagles all drafted at least two, if not three OL. These seven teams we’re all graded out as top 10 draft classes for 2025 by Trevor Sikkeema.
Two of those elite teams (KC did it via FA). But Ravens graded #2 OL in 2024, Eagles still considered #1 even with Becton leaving via free agency.
Until Texans prove the OL is fixed, they need to proritize trenches & best, chespest way is via the draft.
Two of those elite teams (KC did it via FA). But Ravens graded #2 OL in 2024, Eagles still considered #1 even with Becton leaving via free agency.
Until Texans prove the OL is fixed, they need to proritize trenches & best, chespest way is via the draft.
JWLCASPER
Waterboy
I fully agree that the Texans have misappropriated assets in the line and failed to address a glaring weakness years over years. However, I think with your scouting prowess you will agree that this was a “down” year for offensive lineman comparative to some years. The run went on offensive lineman because the whole league feels like they need to shore up the trenches. But I did not look at this offensive lineman class as the one to sink multiple assets into, and it seems the Texans agreed.
Now I also agree with you that we need rookie scale deals in the trenches with the big tickets we have coming due with Stroud / WAJ / Stingley / Nico etc, however just like in the game of football sometimes you have to punt and find another way to attack the issue.
My hope and gut tells me you will see a much faster paced attack focused on getting the ball out of Stroud’s hand. If the offensive lineman weren’t held in high regard, what is the next way to make that happen. With playmakers who can create early separation. Higgins / Noel / Marks all check that box and give us something we didn’t have once Diggs went down and ESPECIALLY after Dell went down as well.
I don’t think the method is perfect because I still fear for Stroud regression because of happy feet - however New England made some mediocre lines look all pro because Brady had the ball out in 1.5-2.5 seconds to Edelman / Welker / White / Vereen / Gronk etc. I think that is what we are going for with the way we drafted separators early and often.
Errant Hothy
Hypermediocrity
I know and most, if not all (haven't double checked them) went 1 OL early and 1/2 late.
So once again, who are the late round guys (Because like all of those teams Houston did draft an OL early) you think would have had an impact on the Oline this year or next?
Edit: We're basing this on draft grades...really?
beerlover
Hall of Fame
Just for your reference. Already posted what I would have done differntly.
I’ve got a moment. Like Jordan James over Woody Marks.
6th rd. OG’s (after Texan picks)
Branson Taylor, Pittsburgh 6-6 321
Mauler, slid here because of mid season knee injury. Power Scheme, short yardage goaline, depth.
Ajani Cornelious, Oregon 6-5 310
Played RT but another tackle who could slide inside. Third team all-big 10 conference, finalist for Joe Moore Award (Award for the Most Outstanding Offensive Line Unit will annually recognize the toughest, most physical offensive line in the country, making it the only major college football award to honor a unit or group). Believe Oregon finished runner-up?
7th rd. OG’s after 1st 7th (Texan selection).
Mason Richmond, Iowa 6-5 307
OT who should also kick inside (lacks length) durable & technically sound, a grinder. Pair him with late 7th rd. & fellow hawkeye TE Luke Lachey (love that pick).
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Errant Hothy
Hypermediocrity
Fair enough
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I think the Texans did enough OL wise in FA to not act desperate in this year's draft. They've got enough to put together a decent OL & get to the 2026 draft.
beerlover
Hall of Fame
beerlover
Hall of Fame
And y’all don’t see a gifted QB like JD gets a lock down, blind side protector, who can seal off the backside, in steps Conerly they put him on Jaden’s right side, be it run or pass, he doesn’t hit his target(s)? Either JD breaks big run, or he connects with a weapon in space. There will be no second season slump, it will be a continuation of year one, in the toughest division in football.
calishung7717
Waterboy
Hope they flame out a bit. Would like it if their 2nd and 4th that the Texans have end up in the teens.
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Neither did Kenyon Green, Schultz etc....
OptimisticTexan
2024 / Rebuilding Block 4 After Playoffs / Texans
I’d say the Texans offensive unit’s 2024 slump can be 100% contributed to the following in order:
1. Coaching
2. Poor Scheme and Play Calling
3. Piss Poor OL Play
4. Injuries
5. CJ
6. Quality of Depth Chart
& that's my point. Many a slip 'twixt cup & a lip.
We had Tunsil & Howard & two dynamic young QBs behind them... moving Tunsil to Washington doesn't guarantee Daniels won't have issues.
TheRealJoker V2
All Pro
Serious question: Has Tunsil ever been part of what’s considered a “good” OL?
The Texans certainly never were. And the Dolphins were Adam Gase teams. Maybe his rookie year in 2016 he was part of a good OL?
Has he ever been subject to a good coaching staff?
TheRealJoker V2
All Pro
He had Warhop as OL coach that one season.
I thought people complained a lot about Warhop when he was here
The Redskins have upgraded their ol with the Tunsil trade and picking Conerly.
In Miami they had a good ol when he was there. He's had nothing but crap around him down on Kirby. Schaping/Martin/GREEN ETC....
We will see how he does with the Redskins since they've added talent to their ol.
Warhop is the guy that gave us Kenyon Green.
TheRealJoker V2
All Pro
Warhop is the guy that came into camp with the Ravens and coached them into a top 5 OL.
Green looked good his rookie year prior to injury. We have hashed out that situation. And Tunsil had his best PFF blocking grade as a Texan the year he was here (if PFF grades matter to you).
Would you rather have Warhop back or Popovich this season?
I know. That wasn't in question.
He was good here. Top 5 OT
Warhop had less to do with building that OL in Baltimore than he did with the one here. Other than Tunsil, how was the OL here in 2022? That had nothing to do with the comment I made. We have yet to see if Popovich is any good or not so that question is not relevant either.
TheRealJoker V2
All Pro
Easy to excuse away success. Ravens OL was in transition with 3 new starters (1 rookie) and an aging LT. They were a top 5 OL and Warhop did not have the benefit of a full offseason with the group. It was one of the most impressive assistant coaching jobs in the NFL last season.
The 2022 Texans were talent deficient yet allowed only 38 sacks with the Mills/Kyle Allen/Jeff Driskel platoon running into pressure. Pierce was on his way to a pro bowl season as a rookie and when he got hurt the running game took a step back because of the likes of old man Rex Burkhead and Royce Freeman running the ball. Not many OLs can open a hole wide enough for them.
Tunsil had a career year under Warhop and the OL was just below league average despite having one of the least talented offenses in the league. They outperformed their projection.
The only other time that happened since Kubiak was here were the 2023 Texans OL but we saw OL coach Strausser check out amongst all the other issues in 2024.
Strausser was awful, I'll give you that, The OL last yr was a combination of too old, too young and dumb. What you said about Warhop is true, but the aging LT stayed healthy last yr, was a top 10 LT, he also had probably the best C in the NFL to work with and Falaele (SP?) was a very good OG. Then they drafted the better OT than the Texans did to play RT. So there was/is a talent issue.
Compare the OL's that each team started the season with and tell me what you think.
Stanley/Vorhees/Linderbaum/Falaele/Rosegarten
Tunsil/Green/Scruggs/Mason/Howard
Yeah, I would say there was a combination of bad coaching/lack of talent/dumb as a box of rocks going on here and it's not just me saying this, both Tunsil/Howard said as much last yr.
Maybe I'm not following, I thought this was the question, or is this turning into a bash Tunsil thread even though he was by far their best OL and one of the best in the NFL.
Depends on what type of offense they're going to run and I certainly wasn't impressed with Warhop during his time down on Kirby. He was a Devlin level OL coach. I set the bar very high when it comes to OL coaches. Joe Bugel/Alex Gibbs/Bob McKittrick/Scarnecchia OL coaches. Fortunately Caley/Popivich worked under Scarnecchia. I'm hoping they learned well.
No maybe about it.
beerlover said the Redskins are serious about preventing their 2nd year QB from having a sophomore slump. He cited the trade for Laremy Tunsil & drafting Conerly as proof.
My reply is we had Larrmy Tunsil & Tytus, still our QB sophomore slumped.
Stay with me. This is not about Tytus Howard (who did his job, QB pressure did not come from the edges). It’s not a knock on Tunsil. Just a spotlight on bad logic.
The redskins traded for Tunsil & drafted Conerly, therefore the redskins are more determined to protect their young QB than the Texans.
Never mind that the Texans had Tunsil last year & drafted Fisher.
We’re not in the same place as the’skins. We already tried what the redskins are doing & we’re moving to step 2
The Redskins have a capable veteran C and Cosmi when healthy at some point next yr is a very good OG. They think Coleman will be an upgrade at LG. Obviously they identified OT as the main weakness on the OL. If Conerly is as good as BL/me think he is then their OL should be very good next yr. Plus they've got veteran depth.
Again you’re not following. This has nothing to do with Tunsil not preventing Cj from slumping.
That's not my point, this has nothing to do with Stroud. This has to do with the talent that was in Houston around Tunsil vs what will be around him with the Redskins.
So your point has nothing to do with the conversation you butted into.
I think what I said is I didn't understand the conversation and no I didn't mean to but in. Would you mind letting me know the points of y'alls conversation? That's all I was asking you to do and instead I had to post 4-5 more times to make myself clear. Maybe I'm just a bit off today.
It was clearly stated in the post you quoted.
Remember, it's not about the redskins OL. It's about Tunsil & a QB's sophomore slump.
I bet Daniels doesn't suffer a sophomore slump. Is that staying on topic.
Probably got a high S2 score