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Jake Coker

Say Watt said:
All I can say is Coker is my guy. I really hope the Texans find a way to draft this guy. When he needed to make plays in the most clutch situations, he delivered in spades. Given how weak the QB class is this year, Coker is undoubtedly my top choice, although I probably wouldn't draft him before the 2nd or 3rd.
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He will be there in the 5th rd. No need to rush.
 
Texian said:
When you do some background research you'll find that Bama returned only 2 starters to offense in 2015 and the Top 3 WRs from 2014 also departed. Coker was working with a complete set of new WRs, one being a true Freshman. So it makes sense if early in the season if the offense and the passing game wasn't firing on all cylinders. Somewhere in the Ole Miss game they clicked and improved in each game thereafter.
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Don't you think he may be available in the second rd? Or, is it too much of a gamble to wait for him in the second or later rds? If there's a good chance of him being there in the second or later, I would prefer for the Texans to address other needs such as OL help.
 
SAMURAITEXAN said:
Don't you think he may be available in the second rd? Or, is it too much of a gamble to wait for him in the second or later rds? If there's a good chance of him being there in the second or later, I would prefer for the Texans to address other needs such as OL help.
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2016 Senior Bowl

First let me say I understand it's an All Star game, players had 2 days of practice, QBs and WRs are the most disadvantaged and the players are trying hard to make a play to get noticed. However I saw something this week that makes me think I need to reevaluate my first mock and Jake Coker. When compared against Wentz, if Wentz operates at 100 MPH, Coker operates 80 MPH. While Wentz is quick and decisive in his decision making, Coker comes off a bit slow and methodical in his. Wentz passes are crisp and anticipatory, Coker waits for a sure thing. I'm sure he has that Saban thing going on in his head, turnovers are a no no, which is counter productive to making an NFL anticipatory throw.

Coker's lack of starts (only 14) showed at the Senior Bowl. Coker needs to spend time with Tom House or George Whitfield to get his his head right for the NFL. I noticed Coker displayed a case a happy feet yesterday, not a good sign for me, shows indecisiveness (also understand he was trying to make a play in a All Star game). I understand how at times his play can be frustrating for his coaches. On the other side, in the end, when you looked up at the scoreboard it said Coker 10, Wentz 0. Coker did convert two 3rd downs, ran for one and engineered two scoring drives in his first two possessions. Most likely I will be dropping Coker to a 3rd RD draft pick because now I'm not quite as sure how his mindset will transfer to the NFL. Because of that uncertainty for me, it knocks Coker out of RD 1 in my mock.
 
SAMURAITEXAN said:
Don't you think he may be available in the second rd? Or, is it too much of a gamble to wait for him in the second or later rds? If there's a good chance of him being there in the second or later, I would prefer for the Texans to address other needs such as OL help.
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I don't know.

But we pick so late in the 2nd & again so late in the 3rd... If I love Coker (& I don't) & he's my #1 guy, I don't know how long I'd wait. If he's 1c, or 1d, then it depends on how many of "my guys" are left on the board.
 
Texian said:
2016 Senior Bowl

First let me say I understand it's an All Star game, players had 2 days of practice, QBs and WRs are the most disadvantaged and the players are trying hard to make a play to get noticed. However I saw something this week that makes me think I need to reevaluate my first mock and Jake Coker. When compared against Wentz, if Wentz operates at 100 MPH, Coker operates 80 MPH. While Wentz is quick and decisive in his decision making, Coker comes off a bit slow and methodical in his. Wentz passes are crisp and anticipatory, Coker waits for a sure thing. I'm sure he has that Saban thing going on in his head, turnovers are a no no, which is counter productive to making an NFL anticipatory throw.

Coker's lack of starts (only 14) showed at the Senior Bowl. Coker needs to spend time with Tom House or George Whitfield to get his his head right for the NFL. I noticed Coker displayed a case a happy feet yesterday, not a good sign for me, shows indecisiveness (also understand he was trying to make a play in a All Star game). I understand how at times his play can be frustrating for his coaches. On the other side, in the end, when you looked up at the scoreboard it said Coker 10, Wentz 0. Coker did convert two 3rd downs, ran for one and engineered two scoring drives in his first two possessions. Most likely I will be dropping Coker to a 3rd RD draft pick because now I'm not quite as sure how his mindset will transfer to the NFL. Because of that uncertainty for me, it knocks Coker out of RD 1 in my mock.
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I respect your opinion on qbs even if I dont agree. Early season when you said Wentz was your #1 qb, it proved to basically be true. Good eye, but how you see coker anywhere in the top 100 prospects is baffling. I've watched him all year and dont see any anticipated throws. I think he has a nfl arm and he's a mobile qb, but I'm not seeing anything that suggest a he's anything more than a backup.
 
leebigeztx said:
I respect your opinion on qbs even if I dont agree. Early season when you said Wentz was your #1 qb, it proved to basically be true. Good eye, but how you see coker anywhere in the top 100 prospects is baffling. I've watched him all year and dont see any anticipated throws. I think he has a nfl arm and he's a mobile qb, but I'm not seeing anything that suggest a he's anything more than a backup.
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I didn't see any anticipatory throws either but I am not convinced that anticipatory throws are part of the Saban playbook especially when you're dealing with a completely new WR corp. That doesn't mean he can't learn it. Did you not read the part where I said I'm dropping Coker to 3rd RD draft pick?
 
Texian said:
I didn't see any anticipatory throws either but I am not convinced that anticipatory throws are part of the Saban playbook especially when you're dealing with a completely new WR corp. That doesn't mean he can't learn it. Did you not read the part where I said I'm dropping Coker to 3rd RD draft pick?
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On top of that, the kid hadn't any substantial playing time the previous three years right? Expecting anticipation his first year after such a lay off... playing for Saban is a bit much, I would think.
 
thunderkyss said:
On top of that, the kid hadn't any substantial playing time the previous three years right? Expecting anticipation his first year after such a lay off... playing for Saban is a bit much, I would think.
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I dont get this notion that Saban doesnt allow anticipatory throws. I think its much more his lack of experience that kept him from making those throws. AJ Mccarron made plenty of those throws while at Alabama. However you can only make those throws when you know an offense inside and out, you know how a certain defense will react to a certain combination of routes. Its not something one generally picks up after 1 college season, thats why teams generally prefer multi year starters. Not knocking Coker for this as he can potentially learn it its just not proven he has yet, but I really think Saban telling a QB not to do his job to the best of his abilities is ludicrous, we are talking about one of the best college coaches of all times here. you dont get that by playing safe
 
Shishkabob said:
I dont get this notion that Saban doesnt allow anticipatory throws. I think its much more his lack of experience that kept him from making those throws.

...but I really think Saban telling a QB not to do his job to the best of his abilities is ludicrous, we are talking about one of the best college coaches of all times here. you dont get that by playing safe
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I think we're saying the same thing. We're just acknowledging that Saban probably preached ball security a lot. Like you said, it means one thing to a 1st year guy & something totally different to a 3rd year guy.
 
Shishkabob said:
I dont get this notion that Saban doesnt allow anticipatory throws. I think its much more his lack of experience that kept him from making those throws. AJ Mccarron made plenty of those throws while at Alabama. However you can only make those throws when you know an offense inside and out, you know how a certain defense will react to a certain combination of routes. Its not something one generally picks up after 1 college season, thats why teams generally prefer multi year starters. Not knocking Coker for this as he can potentially learn it its just not proven he has yet, but I really think Saban telling a QB not to do his job to the best of his abilities is ludicrous, we are talking about one of the best college coaches of all times here. you dont get that by playing safe
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Coker performed exactly as he was coached to do, illustrated by Saban and Kiffin's complimentary praise of Coker in almost every game he started.
 
Texian said:
Coker performed exactly as he was coached to do, illustrated by Saban and Kiffin's complimentary praise of Coker in almost every game he started.
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Im not saying that but as proven in the National championship game they also thought sometimes who needed to get the ball out quicker, what helps getting the ball out quicker? throwing with anticipation. If he had the experience to see the field how he should and see plays develop he could throw with anticipation however lack of experience kept him from seeing that. I just dont see any instance where a coach tells you not to make anticipation throws it wouldnt make any logical sense. If you wait until you see a receiver open to throw the DB also sees him open so its a race between you throwing the ball and the DB getting there to make a play. If you can read the field properly and no reciever X will come open at this spot at this time with the defense their playing you would throw it there to give your receiver the best chance to make a play on the ball and have good YAC.

Again a doubt a coaching staff as good as the one in Alabama teaches their QB to not throw with anticipation
 
Shishkabob said:
Im not saying that but as proven in the National championship game they also thought sometimes who needed to get the ball out quicker, what helps getting the ball out quicker? throwing with anticipation. If he had the experience to see the field how he should and see plays develop he could throw with anticipation however lack of experience kept him from seeing that. I just dont see any instance where a coach tells you not to make anticipation throws it wouldnt make any logical sense. If you wait until you see a receiver open to throw the DB also sees him open so its a race between you throwing the ball and the DB getting there to make a play. If you can read the field properly and no reciever X will come open at this spot at this time with the defense their playing you would throw it there to give your receiver the best chance to make a play on the ball and have good YAC.

Again a doubt a coaching staff as good as the one in Alabama teaches their QB to not throw with anticipation
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I don't think anyone is saying he's been taught not to make anticipatory throws, but like tk said and I think Tex was alluding to, he has likely been taught, or drilled, to not whatsoever put the ball in danger or else risk having his ass in danger at the hands of a pretty intimidating HC. That lesson doesn't verbatim say not to make anticipatory throws, but it wouldn't be any wonder how a kid in his first year starting would translate it to only feeling comfortable throwing to much more already open receivers.

Not out the realm of possibility to believe that a program so heavy handed on defensive talent and lead by a wicked successful defensive minded HC would lead an inexperienced starter to feel like he should make "safer" throws. None of this is to say Coker can't make them, it's just going to have to be a more learned, repetitioned thing for him to begin to frequently execute.
 
Shishkabob said:
Im not saying that but as proven in the National championship game they also thought sometimes who needed to get the ball out quicker, what helps getting the ball out quicker? throwing with anticipation. If he had the experience to see the field how he should and see plays develop he could throw with anticipation however lack of experience kept him from seeing that. I just dont see any instance where a coach tells you not to make anticipation throws it wouldnt make any logical sense. If you wait until you see a receiver open to throw the DB also sees him open so its a race between you throwing the ball and the DB getting there to make a play. If you can read the field properly and no reciever X will come open at this spot at this time with the defense their playing you would throw it there to give your receiver the best chance to make a play on the ball and have good YAC.

Again a doubt a coaching staff as good as the one in Alabama teaches their QB to not throw with anticipation
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A lot of if ands and buts there, however there is one thing we know, Saban plays it very conservatively, preaches don't beat yourself and HATES mistakes and turnovers. All well in good, there is another thing folks want to continually dismiss because it doesn't fit their agenda, Saban and Kiffin entered this season with a rookie QB and 3 brand new receivers and why the Bama passing game was a slow work in progress early on.
 
Texian said:
A lot of if ands and buts there, however there is one thing we know, Saban plays it very conservatively, preaches don't beat yourself and HATES mistakes and turnovers. All well in good, there is another thing folks want to continually dismiss because it doesn't fit their agenda, Saban and Kiffin entered this season with a rookie QB and 3 brand new receivers and why the Bama passing game was a slow work in progress early on.
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i have no agenda to push i think Coker is a 3rd or 4th round talent like you do. im just saying it was lack of experience that had him not making those throws and im not going to use his coaches for the excuse on it. Like ive mentioned before it takes in game experience to make those types of throws.

One of the reasons i think OB had Savage wear those special glasses this offseason to help him train his eyes, not only for looking defenders off but so he could see how to make those throws since he didnt have much experience
 
yeah if he corrects this he just might get over 67% and 8 yard per pass. If only he could just raise that terrible almost 3-1 TD to INT ratio.
 
I dont understand the infatuation. Sure, the guys got great physical traits...stature, arm, some mobility, and judging by the way his teammates swarmed him, he's surely a likable guy if not a leader...

But despite all that...

He looked like he was in over his head. A high schoolers head in a prospects body. A freshman pretending to be a senior. Hesitant even in a safe offense trimmed to cater to him. Every play was by the seat of his pants all while being carried by a cast of nfl talent. His throws were sloppy. His progressions didn't look like they made it past #2. He had no anticipation on wr routes comming open.

Maybe he didn't make it look as easy as some guys do. Maybe im not willing to wait 4 years to see if he realizes his potential. I'd draft him late 5 @ the earliest...nahh, i'd wait till the 6th.
 
Texian said:
A lot of if ands and buts there, however there is one thing we know, Saban plays it very conservatively, preaches don't beat yourself and HATES mistakes and turnovers. All well in good, there is another thing folks want to continually dismiss because it doesn't fit their agenda, Saban and Kiffin entered this season with a rookie QB and 3 brand new receivers and why the Bama passing game was a slow work in progress early on.
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Its college, not to mention a program with top flight talent. As witnessed, kiffin can make college qbs look like superstars. Sanchez,Booty, leinhart, just to name a few. I just dont see him being anymore than a clipboard holder.
 
Mollywhopper said:
Doesn't say much for seeing Cardale Jones invited.
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A lot of scouts like Jones. Word from the Senior Bowl is that Coker is maxed out and not likely to get much better. He is who he is at this point. Not many hold that opinion of Jones. The knock on Jones is that he has the talent but is unable to consistently tap into it. With development he could improve greatly.
 
WolverineFan said:
A lot of scouts like Jones. Word from the Senior Bowl is that Coker is maxed out and not likely to get much better. He is who he is at this point. Not many hold that opinion of Jones. The knock on Jones is that he has the talent but is unable to consistently tap into it. With development he could improve greatly.
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Oh, I'm not doubting whatsoever that people hold these beliefs. We've seen these same tropes before, and that's kind of the thing.

I'd bet a dollar on squeezing any more juice out of Coker before I would thinking that Jones makes the most of his considerable measurables.
But fair enough to anyone who sees it differently.
 
Mollywhopper said:
Oh, I'm not doubting whatsoever that people hold these beliefs. We've seen these same tropes before, and that's kind of the thing.

I'd bet a dollar on squeezing any more juice out of Coker before I would thinking that Jones makes the most of his considerable measurables.
But fair enough to anyone who sees it differently.
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I agree. I don't think Jones has a prayer of succeeding in the NFL whereas Coker has a window (albeit even if it's a small one).
 
xtruroyaltyx said:
Just watched some Coker clips.

I'm a fan of his now.

Why is he projected to go so late?
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Holds the ball too long and the speed of the game appeared to be too fast for him. Do you think speeding up the game can be learned?

Coker is on the same path as Savage was.
 
xtruroyaltyx said:
Just watched some Coker clips.

I'm a fan of his now.

Why is he projected to go so late?
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Holds the ball and doesn't anticipate throwing windows. Also played in an offense that took pretty much all the weight off his shoulders and let him rely on a top notch run game. Physically he checks all the boxes but the game is just way too fast for him.

Now he's not very experienced so that could improve, but that's just a total shot in the dark. There's no guarantee that process will speed up with more experience.
 
WolverineFan said:
Holds the ball and doesn't anticipate throwing windows. Also played in an offense that took pretty much all the weight off his shoulders and let him rely on a top notch run game. Physically he checks all the boxes but the game is just way too fast for him.

Now he's not very experienced so that could improve, but that's just a total shot in the dark. There's no guarantee that process will speed up with more experience.
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If I'm Arizona I pick him in the 5th rd. Let Coker learn under Arians/Palmer for a couple of yrs and maybe he's the QB of the future. Coker certainly has the talent, maybe he just needs experience.

Arians is the true QB whisperer.
 
WolverineFan said:
Holds the ball and doesn't anticipate throwing windows. Also played in an offense that took pretty much all the weight off his shoulders and let him rely on a top notch run game. Physically he checks all the boxes but the game is just way too fast for him.

Now he's not very experienced so that could improve, but that's just a total shot in the dark. There's no guarantee that process will speed up with more experience.
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why cannot we give him a top notch run game + Oline? We have a top WR and probably a very good #2 in Strong. Just for grins say #1 LT Jason Spriggs #2 Rb Alex Collins #3 OT Kyle Murphy #4 either RB Kenyan Drake or OG/OT Spencer Drango #5 LT Willie Beavers #5 b QB Jake Coker.
 
I didn't see him holding onto the ball too long from what I saw in the clips I watched. Haven't watched him a lot though.

What I really liked was the way he dealt with pressure. Dude doesn't go down easy and had good pocket awareness and a sense of where the defense was and how to avoid guys.did not fold under pressure at all. That's a really valuable skill for a qb to have IMO and it's not something that most guys can pick up in the NFL.

I value that skill a whole lot in qbs. He reminded me of a younger more athletic Big Ben with the way he esacaped defenders and made plays off schedule. If he's a 5th round guy he's the type of developmental guy I wouldn't mind taking later in the draft. Or maybe as an udfa if he doesn't get drafted. I was impressed.
 
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