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Jake Coker
- Thread starter Texian
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I hope Coker puts on a show & gets his name in the top 3 QBS of this draft.
Shishkabob
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Coker is playing very poorly
Say Watt
Hall of Fame
After the game on Saturday, I want the guy with big nuts in the big games. Don't give me the guy with all the stats. We've been down that road with Schaub. Great stats but folds when it counts. Heck, even Hoyer had some good games this season. But in big time situations, guys like that fold. Coker seems have the moxie you look for.
Agreed, and then he makes 2 beautiful throws under duress when his team needs it the most. He definitely has a NFL arm.
BTW, Howard looks like a stud. He can get down the seam and is a good blocker.
Say Watt
Hall of Fame
It's nuts to compare anyone to Brady. But damn if there aren't some similarities. They are basically the same build, were considered to be guys that couldn't throw the deep ball, neither had any real impressive statistical seasons in college but always seemed to show up late in games.
There's my Texans 3rd rd pick Kenyan Drake.
The talent is there, he just hasn't played much. I think he could become something after being coached up to speed his internal clock.
The talent is there, he just hasn't played much. I think he could become something after being coached up to speed his internal clock.
Shishkabob
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Can anyone find film on Coker the only thing I've found on draft breakdown or Internet search has been the Wisconsin game
Texian
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Jake Coker did struggle in the 2nd quarter. He was also sacked 5 times, 3 of those sacks were on him (and Kiffin). However he did come back in the 2nd half to throw 2 TDs and deliver a 4th quarter comeback. This is another trait you look for in a QB, even though he's not playing well early, he's still able to put his team in a position to win the football game. Showed great leadership. Coker didn't turn the ball over and had a very good 2nd half as his 203 QB rating can attest. Coker has established a pattern that he gets better and better as the game progresses (in part attributed to Kiffin's conservative play calling very early in the contest). Like Carson Wentz, Jake Coker is a National Champion.
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Say Watt
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He has also gotten better every season, overcome significant adversity, won back his starting job, and has performed on the biggest stage of all in come from behind fashion. I'm very impressed.
Shishkabob
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how do you know he got better every season if he only played 1 season?
Say Watt
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He was supposed to be the starter last year and was beat out, correct? I'd say going from losing your job to leading your team to a national championship is the very definition of getting better.
Texian
Hall of Fame
Sims couldn't get it done WITH Amari Cooper, Coker did it WITHOUT having Amari.
bah007
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There may have been other contributing factors, even tiny ones.
Sims' leading rusher: 990 yards, 11 TDs
Coker's leading rusher: 2219 yards, 28 TDs
And both had the same RB and OL.
bah007
Hall of Fame
And each of those guys was a year older and a year better than they were the previous year with Sims.
Texian
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Keep digging.....hint stats with a Y
True, but Sims choked in the NC game. Remember those ints? Coker, other than the sacks 3 of which he held the ball too long played a mistake free game and made big plays when they counted the most. The one pass to Stewart when he was being hit was a thing of beauty. (Put it this way, could you see Hoyer making that throw? The more important question is could you see Savage making that throw?
The biggest play of the game was on the 3rd and 3 play from around the 6 when Coker showed his mobility to pick up the 1st down that allowed Bama to bleed the clock before they scored. Coker while not being perfect came up big when it counted the most.
bah007
Hall of Fame
I agree with all of this. I was merely making the point that Amari Cooper being gone wasn't the only difference between what Sims and Coker had to work with.
I still think Coker is easily the superior QB. I just don't see the need to make silly statements that offer no context to the comparison like a certain Coker fanboy (not you) does.
I thought he had to sit out a year since he transferred
Texian
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Wentz fanboy here, masquerading as a Coker Fanboy. I guess we must do this in SNARK as CIVIL appears to be out of the question. Let's examine those tiny little bits of information, partial truths, differences and silly statements;
In 2014 Sims had Yeldon YDs + TDs and Henry YDs +TDs and Cooper's YDs + TDs...Yeldon and Cooper turn Pro....In 2015 Coker had Henry's YDs + TDs and Ridley (True Fr replaced Cooper) YDs + TDs....any questions?
As for the older and better discussion, in 2014 BAMA and Sims had 7 starters returning on Offense; In 2015 BAMA and Coker had 2 starters returning on Offense. Coker & Wentz GOT-R-DONE, Sims didn't.
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Texian
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Coker graduated from FSU early (a smart guy) could transfer without sitting, arrived in BAMA Spring of 14'
Gotcha. So he straight up lost another QB competition.
Is that where the Tom Brady reference is coming from?
Texian
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Yep, and Brady also came very close to transferring to California. My Brady reference was really more tongue in cheek in a my response to the question, "Who is Jake Coker?" It was more Snark dealing with Snark.
Shishkabob
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105 days until draft day woohoo lol
Texian
Hall of Fame
Coker finished with the fourth-highest completion percentage in school history (66.9 percent) and threw for 3,110 yards with 21 touchdowns and only eight interceptions.
His quarterback rating (147.0) is the eighth-best an Alabama quarterback has posted since Mike Shula in 1985.
In 11 games following the end of September, Coker completed 72 percent of his passes and threw for 2,324 yards with 13 touchdowns and just four interceptions.
In Alabama's two Playoff games, Coker was 41 of 55 for 621 yards with four touchdowns and no interceptions.
Facing a Michigan State defense that finished the year ranked 26th nationally and a Clemson 'D' that ended up ranked 10th, Coker posted a combined quarterback rating of 193.4.
To put that in perspective, Oregon's Vernon Adams led the nation with a quarterback rating of 179.1.
AJ McCarron's quarterback rating was 175.3 when he threw 30 touchdowns with just three interceptions as a junior with Alabama in 2012.
http://www.al.com/alabamafootball/index.ssf/2016/01/comparing_emerging_nfl_prospec.html
His quarterback rating (147.0) is the eighth-best an Alabama quarterback has posted since Mike Shula in 1985.
In 11 games following the end of September, Coker completed 72 percent of his passes and threw for 2,324 yards with 13 touchdowns and just four interceptions.
In Alabama's two Playoff games, Coker was 41 of 55 for 621 yards with four touchdowns and no interceptions.
Facing a Michigan State defense that finished the year ranked 26th nationally and a Clemson 'D' that ended up ranked 10th, Coker posted a combined quarterback rating of 193.4.
To put that in perspective, Oregon's Vernon Adams led the nation with a quarterback rating of 179.1.
AJ McCarron's quarterback rating was 175.3 when he threw 30 touchdowns with just three interceptions as a junior with Alabama in 2012.
http://www.al.com/alabamafootball/index.ssf/2016/01/comparing_emerging_nfl_prospec.html
Yeah, being the resident McCarran fan, I didn't want to bring him up. But shouldn't all the same arguments work against Coker?
Too much talent, best coaches, yadda, yadda, yadda
Too much talent, best coaches, yadda, yadda, yadda
Texian
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Bama O had 2 returning starters in 2015, Top 3 WR in 2014 gone in 2015, 2014 All American WR replaced by true Freshman in 2015. (subtract two yadas).
Shishkabob
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For a team like Bama or OSU that argument of starters leaving really doesnt matter. They are a CFB factory, always getting the best recruits in the country along with them being coached by the best staff in the country. Sure some starters might have left, but the talent didnt drop off at all
Texian
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Are you saying there was no difference in the 2014 WRs and 2015 WRs? And the 2015 WRs picked right up where the 2014 WRs left off?
Shishkabob
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Im saying the talent level across the board was much of the same. Sure they lost Cooper who was a huge loss, but you cannot tell me their offense is still not stacked with talent, couple that with the fact that the offense was riding Henry the whole season, while every team was stacking the box to stop the guy.
Say Watt
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All I can say is Coker is my guy. I really hope the Texans find a way to draft this guy. When he needed to make plays in the most clutch situations, he delivered in spades. Given how weak the QB class is this year, Coker is undoubtedly my top choice, although I probably wouldn't draft him before the 2nd or 3rd.
poplarbluffman
Noob
very bright. pro arm/body with some escapeability BUT couldn't beat out Winston or Blake Sims..understand Winston but not Sims
lacks that special quality the greats have...IMO Cardale Jones is special but will take time to develop.
tough choice after the top 3 are gone
lacks that special quality the greats have...IMO Cardale Jones is special but will take time to develop.
tough choice after the top 3 are gone
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Texian
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Houston Texans @HoustonTexans 9m9 minutes ago
.@jharrisfootball talks with @AlabamaFTBL QB Jake Coker.
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.@jharrisfootball talks with @AlabamaFTBL QB Jake Coker.
Reese's Senior Bowl
Texian
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Charles Robinson @CharlesRobinson 15m15 minutes ago
#Alabama QB Jake Coker measures in at Senior Bowl at 6-5 1/2, 236. Certainly has the prototypical size teams want.
#Alabama QB Jake Coker measures in at Senior Bowl at 6-5 1/2, 236. Certainly has the prototypical size teams want.
Shishkabob
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hand size came in just under 10 in too right?
So... in your opinion. Should we trade the farm, or just take Coker at 22?
Texian
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History shows that trading the farm (definition?) has not been the best decision (there are anomalies, exceptions). Based on Coker's history, his prototype size, strong arm, how he has continually got better as a starter as the season progressed, his outstanding performances in 3 of college football's biggest games of the year, SEC Championship, SemiFinal National Championship and the National Championship game, I take Coker at #22. IMHO.
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Say Watt
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Admittedly I didn't watch much of Coker last year or with Florida State, but I wouldn't let him getting beat out by Blake Sims detract me at all. Some guys just take longer to blossom. Hell, Tom Brady was one of those who was getting beat out by Drew Henson (if I'm remember correctly). When the going got rough, Jake Coker got tougher. Beat out by Blake Sims or not, Jake Coker improved basically every single game this year and time after time stepped up and got it done when it mattered most. I'll take that over the big stats guy any day.
Shishkabob
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Ill agree with this, i just think if he is your guy you can wait until later in the draft to get him. Ive read no where that indicates Coker will be even considered for a 1st round pick, besides some guys on here
bah007
Hall of Fame
I don't disagree with your overall point. I have to touch on the Brady thing though, because I see the Brady argument used for just about every college QB that someone ever liked as an underrated prospect. Brady wasn't beaten out by Henson. His own teammates have gone on record as saying that Brady was always the better QB, and they don't dislike Henson or anything like that. But Henson was a stud athlete with great size and great hype, and he had just been drafted by the Yankees in the first round. He told the coaches at Michigan he was leaving if they didn't make him the starter so they did, because of his "potential ceiling".
Coker has grown on me as the year has gone on. The big thing for me was that he was the most protected QB in the country all year up until the final two games. Were they protecting him because he was a liability or because that's just Saban's style? I didn't know. Saban has always been like that, but he's always had QBs that needed protecting. Well, the time came when they couldn't protect Coker and he delivered big time.
I still have questions. I'm not totally sold. But he has opened my mind and I'm going to go back and study him some more to see what I can learn. I'm definitely interested now.
When you study Coker you will find out he looked pretty bad at the begining of the yr. Late with throws, underthrowing and although he completed a good number of passes he was generally inaccurate.
By the end of the season he didn't even look like the same guy. He looked like a confident leader, who when things got tight his teammates looked to him for leadership and he delivered. The main thing Coker needs to improve at is feeling the rush and getting rid of the ball. Of course there are worse things that happen in a game than taking a sack.
Tell me what you think about Coker's ability to make plays with his feet and throwing on the move.
badboy
Hall of Fame
agree and still think we can get him in 3rd although he is currently ranked 144. This should rise due to need of position and what I expect from his combine/ pro day. Here are some excerpts from very lengthy article on Coker. Hope all find it informative.
I like this kid's makeup.
Texian
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When you do some background research you'll find that Bama returned only 2 starters to offense in 2015 and the Top 3 WRs from 2014 also departed. Coker was working with a complete set of new WRs, one being a true Freshman. So it makes sense if early in the season if the offense and the passing game wasn't firing on all cylinders. Somewhere in the Ole Miss game they clicked and improved in each game thereafter.
Say Watt
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I'd draft him by the 2nd or 3rd at the latest. Wouldn't be upset in the slightest if they took him in the first, but it'd be best to draft another position of need in the 1st and go get Coker in the 2nd. I certainly wouldn't mess around until late in the draft.