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JaDeveon Clowney

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steelbtexan said:
The players know the risk. Let them sign a waiver and play football the way it was meant to be played. Not this current version of AFL football God'ell is selling as NFL football.
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Evidently you did not read the link or are up to par on the law suits being filed as many players are saying they were not aware of the risks with concussions. Also a recent issue concerning layers being forced to use painkillers to mask injuries that lead to debilitating problems. You are apparently one who wants to see a DB bang a WR rather than knock ball away or intercept. I want to see skills not a beat down. I watch MMA for that.
 
badboy said:
Evidently you did not read the link or are up to par on the law suits being filed as many players are saying they were not aware of the risks with concussions. Also a recent issue concerning layers being forced to use painkillers to mask injuries that lead to debilitating problems. You are apparently one who wants to see a DB bang a WR rather than knock ball away or intercept. I want to see skills not a beat down. I watch MMA for that.
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Did anyone know of the risks of concussions 20 yrs ago? 15? 10?
 
JB said:
Did anyone know of the risks of concussions 20 yrs ago? 15? 10?
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yes they did and why there are law suits. Again read my link about Webster. Boxers have been having concussions for hundreds of years and while what we know today was not known then, it was known they had issues with balance, thinking (cognitive) and memory.
 
JB said:
sure, but never heard of long term effects before the recent studies...

been punch drunk many times

been drunk drunk many more :D
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TV shows Bonanza, Little House on the Prairie, Gunsmoke and I believe Bat Masterson all had episodes about fighters who had long term effects. IIRC The Waltons did also and I want to say Highway to Heaven.
 
JB said:
sure, but never heard of long term effects before the recent studies...

been punch drunk many times

been drunk drunk many more :D
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Serious question. Did it take a recent study for you to realize that it's not good for your long term health to hit someone with your head or be hit in the head repeatedly?
 
Dan B. said:
Serious question. Did it take a recent study for you to realize that it's not good for your long term health to hit someone with your head or be hit in the head repeatedly?
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No, but I'm not a football player wearing a helmet. Did you know that a concussion could lead to a brain disease?
 
badboy said:
yes they did and why there are law suits. Again read my link about Webster. Boxers have been having concussions for hundreds of years and while what we know today was not known then, it was known they had issues with balance, thinking (cognitive) and memory.
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ok... in my youth it was called having a screw knocked loose and was considered temporary, not leading to a degenerative brain disease
 
JB said:
No, but I'm not a football player wearing a helmet. Did you know that a concussion could lead to a brain disease?
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I'm sure that after they banned bare knuckle fighting boxers felt perfectly safe knowing they had to wear padded gloves too.

To me the recent studies are like a study that comes out showing waiting tables is bad for your ankles or computer programming is bad for your eyes. It seems like common sense to me that there are going to be serious long term consequences to bashing your/another's head in for a living -- why do you think they mandated helmets in the first place?
 
Playoffs said:
Straight rush, no jump cut.

Drew penalty on Lewan 2nd play -- facemask.

Double teamed, not showing COD.

Bull rush, gained ground but bypassed.

Tried swim over move -- first lateral attempt -- left his feet & neutralized.

Bull rush. Bull rush.

Left side inside overload stunt.

Bull rush tripped fell.

Moved across the face of LT inside and gingerly pulled up.

Held edge, pass away from him INC.

Left side, nothing

Left side stunt, nothing

Outside rush, hands to his face not called, pushed past pocket lost his feet

Jump inside across the T/G, stoned

Outside rush with spin, grabbed (last two plays no burst)

Left side contain rush, play was away, ball out quick

LOS spin attempt no lateral offset -- getting gassed

Jumped across the T, missed the runner by a hair

Bull rush doubled, up on his tippy toes

Inside move straight line stoned/gassed

Couple of marginal effort moves, hand fighting needs work

Near sack, went for swipe, hook hold by Lewan no call

Contain rush, no impact

Outside rush, outside spin try, outside the play

Good effort plays, 3 step quick ball outs

Burst was not there. Could see his protecting knee early. Got gassed a few times, out of game shape. Mostly straight line force. Got some nice push early, didn't bring a second tool most of the times. Glad he wasn't injured, nobody crashed into the side of his leg.
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As much as a tried to consider Clowney while looking through this, all it actually made me think about was going to Sam Houston Race Park. Damn, three more months.
 
The first play he was in on, he made a pretty nice move, quick! After that I barely noticed him. Hopefully with more reps he will become who he thought he was! I still think he will become a damn good player, but the injury at the beginning of the season, has hindered his progress.
 
It amazes me the amount of people who still think Clowney had only one injury. :ohsnap:
 
Dan B. said:
I'm sure that after they banned bare knuckle fighting boxers felt p. fectly safe knowing they had to wear padded gloves too.
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Common misconception about boxing gloves. They werent emplemented to protect the opponent. They were designed to protect the fighters hands.
 
mussop said:
Common misconception about boxing gloves. They werent emplemented to protect the opponent. They were designed to protect the fighters hands.
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They did lead to boxers being more likely to hit the other boxer in the head. Similar to studies that show players are more likely to lead with their head when wearing a helmet.
 
JB said:
ok... in my youth it was called having a screw knocked loose and was considered temporary, not leading to a degenerative brain disease
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you are simply arguing to argue, x rays have shown for years that blows to head cause bleeding in the brain. You may not have known that internal damage to the brain was dangerous but the medical field did. Whether it was known it could lead to a particular disease or dementia is irrelevant.
 
Runner said:
One injury isn't "injury prone". It's best to ignore the others to prove there is no reason for concern.
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I never bought the argument that Bennie Joppru was a bust because he couldn't play do to injuries, including multiple season-ending injuries, and therefor won't accept the same argument about Clowney's NFL career if he has the same kind of repeated serious injuries over his pro career as Joppru did.
Now if there is clearly evidence based upon his personal history that he was a real risk to be injury plagued/prone during his career, then GM Smith and his people have a lot to answer for and should certainly be held accountable.
 
badboy said:
you are simply arguing to argue, x rays have shown for years that blows to head cause bleeding in the brain. You may not have known that internal damage to the brain was dangerous but the medical field did. Whether it was known it could lead to a particular disease or dementia is irrelevant.
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It isn't just argumentative. Seeing temporary damage and recognizing the cumulative long term effects are very different and understanding of the latter has come a very long way in the last 10-15 years.
 
badboy said:
you are simply arguing to argue, x rays have shown for years that blows to head cause bleeding in the brain. You may not have known that internal damage to the brain was dangerous but the medical field did. Whether it was known it could lead to a particular disease or dementia is irrelevant.
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No, I hate arguing. I said outside the medical field it was not widely known.
 
IDEXAN said:
I never bought the argument that Bennie Joppru was a bust because he couldn't play do to injuries, including multiple season-ending injuries, and therefor won't accept the same argument about Clowney's NFL career if he has the same kind of repeated serious injuries over his pro career as Joppru did.

Now if there is clearly evidence based upon his personal history that he was a real risk to be injury plagued/prone during his career, then GM Smith and his people have a lot to answer for and should certainly be held accountable.
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Agree 100%
 
tho its early if this draft class becomes a bust then rick needs to be fired on the spot
 
TheRealJoker said:
OB says Clowney not likely to play (illness, knee) per Texans app
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Christ, hopefully the dude can get over his sniffles over the bye week and then contribute something at some point this season. Maybe that's too much to ask while Barr and Mack are making plays for their respective teams while Clowney spends all year unable to do anything.
 
TheIronDuke said:
Christ, hopefully the dude can get over his sniffles over the bye week and then contribute something at some point this season. Maybe that's too much to ask while Barr and Mack are making plays for their respective teams while Clowney spends all year unable to do anything.
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There were whispers heading into last week that Clowney isn't the type of guy to play through ouchies, and will only play/practice at 100%.

I really hope this guy isn't S-A-W-F-T. SAAAAAAAAAAWFT. How you doin'?
 
The "illness" is suspiciously timed like it's a cover for the fact that he came back too soon and regressed. Now he just wants to get to the bye.
 
2014 should have been the best draft in team history considering we had the first pick in every round. What the heck happened???
 
humblegeo said:
2014 should have been the best draft in team history considering we had the first pick in every round. What the heck happened???
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It still could be... 6 months in is a bit early to judge a draft
 
how can you write off a whole draft only 8 games into the season?
Prosch and Blue are regular contributors
Su'a-Filo is contributing - I don't expect a 2nd round rookie lineman to make an immediate impact.
Fiedorowicz is learning a much more complex offense than anything he saw in Iowa
I don't know what we have in Nix or Clowney yet although it doesn't look promising for Nix and Clowney needs to get healthy.
Don't know what we've got in Savage; O'Brien is keeping him under wraps. Hal and Pagan have contributed on defense.

After our Arian Foster experience, I don't really hold much stock in which round a guy was drafted in. Nor do I listen to gossip. Because the "gossip" about Foster was that he was a flake (okay maybe there's something there), he was fumble prone (he'd gone 300+ touches before that last fumble, and that he was a locker room malcontent (ask his linemen teammates if they think that).

All that to say, it's too soon to know what the hell we've got - good or bad - in any of them
 
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ObsiWan said:
how can you write off a whole draft only 8 games into the season?
Prosch and Blue are regular contributors
Su'a-Filo is contributing - I don't expect a 2nd round rookie lineman to make an immediate impact.
Fiedorowicz is learning a much more complex offense than anything he saw in Iowa
I don't know what we have in Nix or Clowney yet although it doesn't look promising for Nix and Clowney needs to get healthy.
Don't know what we've got in Savage; O'Brien is keeping him under wraps. Hal and Pagan have contributed on defense.

After our Arian Foster experience, I don't really hold much stock in which round a guy was drafted in. Nor do I listen to gossip. Because the "gossip" about Foster was that he was a flake (okay maybe there's something there), he was fumble prone (he'd gone 300+ touches before that last fumble, and that he was a locker room malcontent (ask his linemen teammates if they think that).

All that to say, it's too soon to know what the hell we've got -good or bad - in any of therm
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well said MSR
 
For the record, I have critisized this draft because i wanted short term solutions and because they didnt draft Teddy B. But we cant really judge this draft until at least the beginning of the 2016 season. The proof will be in the pudding by then.
 
Double Barrel said:
2014 might go down as one of the worst Texans drafts ever.
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I figured it would be due to who we used the #1 draft pick on. I begged and begged the Texans football gods not to let them do it. I didn't think they would. I think by the time they drafted though, they felt so much pressure to do it because of relentless hype of how he was the best defensive player to come out in like 20 years. It was the craziest hype fest on one guy that had so many questions I had ever seen. Rick Smith took the bait.
 
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