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JaDeveon Clowney
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Marshall
Not pretty, but ALIVE!
There is hope. But 2015 is not likely for more than knocking off rust. I'm giving him the 2016 and 2017 seasons to see if he can contribute.
TEXANRED
Texan-American
Last night I was looking at this http://www.sportingnews.com/photos/...in-the-history-of-every-nfl-team/slide/277805 worst draft picks by each team. There are a lot of us who compare us to the Cleveland Brown. Their worst pick? Courtney Brown, knee injury his rookie year, injury plauged for the short time he was there. Let's hope we are not really the Browns of the AFC South.
Also if you go through the list notice how many of the busts all had knee injuries their rookie season.
Dread-Head
Hall of Fame
Okay, so NEXT season will he come out and tell us how to pronounce his name again...or will he actually play some damn football and let his PLAY speak for him?
Would it be beneficial to the Texans and JDC to place him on IR for the entire 2015 season? Would doing that give the new cartilage in his knee time to properly heal and strengthen, allowing JDC to have a longer, more productive career?
Given the type of injury and what I've read here and seen in other athletes, I don't think Clowney has much of chance to ever be the impact player he was projected as, nor to to have anything but a short career with continued degradation of his badly injured knee. The injury portion on this thread basically presents the latest miracle cure or rehab approach, at which time the real doctor on the board responds with, "yeah well, prognosis still poor".
I think a better question would be that if Clowney quit playing football now, will he be able walk normally when he is 40 years old.
Of course I'm not a doctor so I probably shouldn't be posting on the subject.
sounds like damaged goods. at this point I wish we could just trade him for a mid round pick.
Nobody is going to cough up a middle round pick for damaged goods. It's more like at what point to cut him that has the least amount of impact to the cap.
Adding to the "poor prognosis" aspect of the injury/surgery itself, there is also the question of how committed he will be in his rehab. We're not talking about Brian Cushing anymore.
Troy Chapman
Rookie
Going to be tough to find someone to take on his GTD contract that has the GTD roster bonuses. Houston still on the hook for the SB money given.
Norg
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And this was, a, not contact injury has well when he jumped up and landed on his feet
I guess our field turf is made up of pot holes molten lava and spikes lol
That's the crazy thing about it I just wondering whos, next cus, at this, point u already no someone else will get injured
I guess our field turf is made up of pot holes molten lava and spikes lol
That's the crazy thing about it I just wondering whos, next cus, at this, point u already no someone else will get injured
Look on the bright side - at least the Texans didn't waste the pick on a highly rated quarterback.
& we were still better than the Titans & Jags (who did both recently) in 2014 & the early money is on us being better than both of them in 2015.
....or an Aggie offensive lineman with a Hall of Fame bloodline...
This is certainly not a question many Atlanta Falcons fans thought theyd be asking about their recent 6th overall pick back in April, when Atlanta pulled the trigger on that stud offensive lineman who hails from a goldmine of an athletic bloodline which features a hall of fame offensive lineman father, and an absolute beast of a pass rusher whos his cousin. Hes also the man who kept the one we call Johnny Football upright in those two explosive years at Texas A&M. But here we are: Jake Matthews has been one of Atlantas worst offensive lineman this year, and hes left the Falcons faithful questioning the high investment Thomas Dimitroff made in him back in April.
Like who?
Careful there TK - setting goals that high might lead to even more depression for Thorn.
I've made no secret of the fact that I think Bortles would have been a good first pick and had a good chance at being the quarterback this team has been looking for. I also understand there is a group of people here who think we are moving into the third straight draft where there is no Texans quality quarterback available (unless they draft a fourth rounder, who suddenly gains all the potential in the world).
However, we were having a little fun on the thread so I'll leave the topic at that. You may now go on to present the oft-repeated arguments* of why drafting high round quarterbacks is dumb.
*if someone would like to re-present the case that Clowney on IR is better for the Texans than a healthy Bortles, please do so. It is one of my favorites and more in line with light-hearted turn this thread had taken.
Blake Bortles will not win the Super Bowl.
Right now, I know there are some that are arguing, "that's ok!! He's better than what we got." but that's very short sited. For the next six years, the Jags will waste their time thinking they've got a shot. They may even get close... if only, if only. Hopefully he'll get them close enough they'll waste another six years.
It's like the Jags just signed Matt Schaub. I know they're two different QBs. Matt's hairline is receding where Blake is balding in the back, Matt's a dog guy Blake's a cat lover, Matt loves vanilla, Blake loves chocolate. & that might be true... But just like there were many who knew Schaub wasn't going to win a Super Bowl for Houston after his first season here, I'm telling you Blake Bortles won't win a Super Bowl.
& it's only now that you (all inclusive) are thinking, "Blake could win a Super Bowl if... " because I'm saying he can't/won't. You knew it when we didn't draft him (Texian is the only exception) "There's no Andrew Luck in this draft." That's pretty much what that means. No one in this draft that can, without a doubt, lead our team to the Super Bowl.
Yeah, there's a chance. But not really.
OB hasn't done anything yet to stop him from looking for that QB who could win a Super Bowl. Nah... it's not Mallett. Mallett may be our Bortles, or our Schaub. It's not Savage, nope... Savage may be our Bortles or Schaub, but he's not winning a Super Bowl. Unless they sign Mallett to a $100M deal or we draft a guy in the 1st or 2nd, we're still looking. They're not. They think they have their guy. We know we don't.
This is certainly not a question many Atlanta Falcons fans thought theyd be asking about their recent 6th overall pick back in April, when Atlanta pulled the trigger on that stud offensive lineman who hails from a goldmine of an athletic bloodline which features a hall of fame offensive lineman father, and an absolute beast of a pass rusher whos his cousin. Hes also the man who kept the one we call Johnny Football upright in those two explosive years at Texas A&M. But here we are: Jake Matthews has been one of Atlantas worst offensive lineman this year, and hes left the Falcons faithful questioning the high investment Thomas Dimitroff made in him back in April.
So you're saying no performance is better than underwhelming performance??
Hopefully he can have a Travis Kelce like return and not a Brennan Williams one. It does concern me that the explosive 1st step that separated him from everyone else may be gone. But if his technique gets coached up he can still be the perfect compliment to Watt.
Okay I'll bite. If O'Brien drafts Bortles #1 that is his guy. His tenure with the Texans is defined by the success (or lack of) that he has with Bortles. If O'Brien has any doubts about Bortles you don't draft him.
The Texans plan (I'm guessing) was to build up the O-Line (XSF and CJ as a blocking TE) and the front 7 (Nix and Clowney). Dominate the lines of scrimmage, run the ball and you don't need and elite QB.
Missing on a QB (Locker, Manuel, Gabbert) seems to set a franchise back more than missing on any other position.
Now with the benefit the Texans should have traded down drafted Beckham Jr than drafted Bitonio etc...etc...etc.
So you're saying no performance is better than underwhelming performance??
I'm saying Picking an over rated Mathews as you suggested over a great prospect would of been stupid. Hind sight is 20/20. No one knew Clowney would get injured and miss the season.
Now Thorn, my feewings are hurt that you left me out. I taught ObisWan and Runner everything they know when it comes to depressing posts.
We were warned by Doc that Clowney might have had some injury issues with his bone spurs and those could lead to other issues if not corrected. So to say we had no idea this was a possibility is not quite right.
Having said that, we all know that every pick is a roll of the dice. Clowney may come back to 90-100% of what he was predicted to be at some point. And Matthews may blossom into a solid RT or OG at some point. Too early to write either of them off IMO.
PapaL
Loose Screw
Drafting a high round QB is not dumb. Drafting a QB first overall who grades out a late first over a great prospect is dumb. Bortles wasn't that good. He still isn't. He never will be. Had McNair done something about the shitty field years ago when all the comaints started we probably wouldn't be having this conversation.
Even if we hadn't drafted Clowney there were many other players that were clearly better prospects than Bortles.
No one has said an IR'd Clowney is better for the texans than a healthy Bortles. I guess that was being lite harted. But if we are going to use hindsight lets at least use it where we get a good player.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
All the complaints being two - one by a player and one by a coach under fire for having his star in the game.
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So now you're qb guru Jon Gruden, Mel Kiper and Nostradamus rolled into one? You don't have any more of a clue what's going to happen three years down the line than my sister does. I'll grant that Bortles may not win a SB, not many do. But that's primarily because of the team he is on than anything. He may be the next Joe Montana for all we know at this point.
Throw crap at the wall and see if it sticks is all your doing
badboy
Hall of Fame
maybe we could get a sign on the field saying "McNair's turf" like the hill that use to be in the Astros' field and the defense could defend it. Like DBs could yell at WRs and TEs "watch where ya steppin!!"McNair and the turf knew.
Agreed on the damaged goods.
Tell me more about your knowledge of Clowney's work ethic. From everything I heard abuut Clowney at training camp was that he's a hard worker.
Clowney could not play another snap and he still wouldn't be the trainwreck Leaf was.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
Injured is not bust.
at least leaf did not cost the chargers the 1st overall pick.
the reason does not matter to me. wasted 1st overall pick is HUGE.
kinda early to be calling it a wasted pick isn't it?
Maybe so. The point remains. OB has not hitched himself to a QB, we can keep looking. That's the benefit of drafting JaDaveon Clowney in lieu of Blake Bortles.
The goal is to win the Super Bowl, & I think that's what everyone keeps forgetting. O'Brien did not believe Bortles could lead his team to a Super Bowl. If he had, we wouldn't have passed on him. No one would pass on a QB they believe can win a Super Bowl.
No. He cost them a good deal more.
So by that logic, OB believes that Fitzpatrick, Mallett and Savage are capable of winning a SB?
Makes absolutely no sense. How can he be climbing up the ranks in the offseason? If he were playing game after game doing nothing after nothing I can see him moving "up the ranks" but not doing anything when he's not supposed to be doing anything?
Not seeing it.
Besides, he can sit idle all of 2015 & still not be a bust if he can play at a high level in 2016 & 2017... the remainder of his contract. He'd be more like Drew Brees than Ryan Leaf.
The Pencil Neck
Hall of Fame
Really?
1st overall vs. 2nd overall means that much to you? They're almost the same to me.
And there's a huge difference if that pick is a QB vs. some other player.
If you choose a QB at the top of the first round, you have to play him. Even if he sucks, you have to give him the opportunity to fail. Not just a few games, but a few years.
If you choose a LB at the top of the first round and he busts, so what? You can stick someone else in there. Picking Aaron Curry, a bust of epic proportions, didn't bother the Seahawks. But picking someone like a Leaf or a J. Russell crushes you because you've got to try him out.
For me, Clowney's not a bust, yet. He may be, he may not be. It's too soon to call it.
But if he IS a bust and we're still a successful team, making playoffs and SB runs, who cares. He would have been nice, but he's not necessary to winning... as this past season has demonstrated.
You make that same mistake with a QB, and you're not making the playoffs for a few years.
You can't be serious.
That logic doesn't say that at all. Had he drafted Savage in the first... maybe second, then he's hitching his wagon to Savage. If he sign Fitz & Mallett to a big franchise type contract, then he's hitching his wagon to them. Those would be the signs that he believes they could take us to a Super Bowl, because those actions would prevent us from drafting a top prospect in future drafts.
Nothing we've done so far will prevent us from taking a QB early in the upcoming draft. Even if we sign Mallett to a Fitz type deal, we could draft a QB at 16, or even move up in the draft to get a QB & it wouldn't shock anyone as much as it would if Jacksonville traded down & still drafted a QB in the first round.
My only point, before we started arguing less important points of my argument, is that we're still looking for a QB that can take us to the Super Bowl & Jacksonville is wasting their time if they think Bortles can get them there.
Not only that, but you have to try to figure out what is not working & make changes to make it work.
We changed every position on our offensive line twice trying to "fix it" for David Carr. We went through RB after RB, #2 WRs, TEs, trying to make it work with David Carr.
Till finally, 5 years later we change the QB did we fix every one of those issues. Not probowlers at every position mind you, but decent NFL starters.
That one season is where you're getting your evidence?
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