Dejaview
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Is the offensive line fixed?
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Texansballer74
The Marine
I believe the reporter is doing his job as a Texans writer. They wrote pretty much the same peice on Davenport last year.
It's exactly the point and the reason Gaine drafted 2 OT's in RDS 1-2.
Texansballer74
The Marine
Wrong. They drafted two players who can play multiple positions on the line. Plus losing a RT and knowing Henderson might not make it through camp.
Again this is what you do when you don't like a certain individual.
Dejaview
All Pro
Oh man I hope you are wrong about Henderson. Good guy and I want him penciled in RT with Sharping at RG.
ATXtexanfan
Hall of Fame
is it weird we have no idea where anyone is playing on the Oline? i just dont get it. if we have a starting five make it the entire season will the idiots cross train next season? how do you guys buy into this cross training?
HaveMercy
Passing Through
Cal, Gaine, and OB haven't called me for advice in a couple of months. Maybe they lost my number.
However, when Cal puts me in charge, I'll put the OL together exactly the way everyone on this Forum agrees it should be.
Oh, wait. There's a lot of disagreement here, too. But least I'll still be in charge.
However, when Cal puts me in charge, I'll put the OL together exactly the way everyone on this Forum agrees it should be.
Oh, wait. There's a lot of disagreement here, too. But least I'll still be in charge.
Dejaview
All Pro
Whole line is in in a rebuild. Why would you believe we should already know who plays where? Every player at every position has been attacked by the geniuses here. There is a concerted effort by those who are trying to make a difference to fill those slots but with new faces and players coming off injuries those slots should be determined now? Those “idiots” have forgotten more than you know of course. Enjoy the ride because this OL is on the rise.
It's weird until you realize it's obrien.
Remember his thing was being unable to decide who to start at QB as recently as a couple years ago.
Last year he completely screwed the starting OL for half the season and almost cost Watson another season due to injury.
Texansballer74
The Marine
Because we have 4 starters coming back and add in Henderson. You have to build continuity and that much needed chemistry to hopefully have a successful group. Can't achieve that when you're changing up the starting 5 every year.
Dejaview
All Pro
Last year the OL got screwed seconds into the first game when Henderson went down. He was putting his fingers in the dike the rest of the year. You wanna be responsible for coaching that group? Oh yeah, you got the answers, lol.
Dejaview
All Pro
In all due respect if we have four starters coming back from last year we. are. screwed. Those guys were banged up all year. One game we had to use TE’s since we had no healthy OLmen on the bench.
McClain disagrees with you.
Again, I dont like avg at best players, which is the best Davenport can hope to become due to being a below avg athlete. You're correct. I said this last yr and you said give the young guy a chance. I did and what I thought would happen happened. Now you come back with the same spit this offseason. Sorry, I'm not buying, especially because he was a huge reason Watson took such a beating last yr.
ATXtexanfan
Hall of Fame
I knew it. Your OBs wife. Talk to him about when to call timeout over dinner. Oh wait. That's not your job.
ATXtexanfan
Hall of Fame
OB screws up a wet dream 16 times a year lol. I mean he probably has this great gameplan every week yet he doesnt realize someone wants to shove his gameplan down his throat on the other side
ATXtexanfan
Hall of Fame
Dejaview is OBs perfect tool lol. Can play all 22 positions. Can long snap, punt and place kick. Hell Dejaview knows what is a catch and isnt. Dude has a battle red Jersey with OB on the back
Texansballer74
The Marine
When healthy and during that 9 game winning streak, the oline played well. A member already posted a pretty unique stat line about how the oline should hold its blocks. We were in the middle of the pack.
I'm going to stick with the importance of chemistry and continuity.
Lol at even thinking Seantrel can play. That's who O'Brien chose. Enough with the excuses
Texansballer74
The Marine
You are being too harsh. You do know D. Brown wasn't good until year three huh. You can't have these type of expectations on a Left tackle who hasn't been in the league that long. He's only started one year. Give the youngster 2 more years before actually judging his play.
I'm with steelbtexan on this one. I was shocked Davenport didn't throw a chair through a window.
HaveMercy
Passing Through
As this year progresses, I'm guessing the OLine won't be as good as some of us hope but neither will it be as bad as others here predict.
There will for sure be surprises big and small: mild injuries and severe injuries, players performing better or worse than expected, players showing the effects of poor coaching or good coaching (!), and OLinemen proving their suitability in the yet-TBD spots the coaches put them in.
There are so many variables, possibilities, and alternate futures (StarTrek!) that it's really tough to predict what will happen with the Texans' OLine. So we'll continue to have fun and interact here, discussing OL nuances and chasing rabbit trails of OL logic.
This is supposed to be fun and that's really why we're all here, right, even in the OL thread. Somehow the tension of all this invigorates us. To state the obvious, there's only One who knows the end from the beginning. Texans fans will just have to wait and see how the OL and the real games go.
As the OLine goes, so goes our season.
There will for sure be surprises big and small: mild injuries and severe injuries, players performing better or worse than expected, players showing the effects of poor coaching or good coaching (!), and OLinemen proving their suitability in the yet-TBD spots the coaches put them in.
There are so many variables, possibilities, and alternate futures (StarTrek!) that it's really tough to predict what will happen with the Texans' OLine. So we'll continue to have fun and interact here, discussing OL nuances and chasing rabbit trails of OL logic.
This is supposed to be fun and that's really why we're all here, right, even in the OL thread. Somehow the tension of all this invigorates us. To state the obvious, there's only One who knows the end from the beginning. Texans fans will just have to wait and see how the OL and the real games go.
As the OLine goes, so goes our season.
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With DB you could see the athletic ability was there from yr 1.
With Davenport you can see he's not a good enough athlete to be a starting LT and won't ever be.
That's if you look at him objectively instead of what you want him to become.
With DB you could see the athletic ability was there from yr 1.
With Davenport you can see he's not a good enough athlete to be a starting LT and won't ever be.
That's if you look at him objectively instead of what you want him to become.
Dejaview
All Pro
Maybe I’m not being clear. I completely agree with your last sentence. The foundation of the team is the OL (and DL). All the injuries and forced OL changes destroy continuity. There were a few articles I read last year bemoaning this fact. Same with chemistry but that is the whole idea behind the cross training. Can’t control continuity but knowing more than one position is an effort to maintain chemistry as much as possible if/when a position shift is needed. I’ve heard OB say this and I agree. Gotta communicate with the guys next to you if you have to shift positions due to injuries.
HaveMercy
Passing Through
I'm tending to agree with SteelB on this one. The evidence isn't all in and won't be on JDavenport for another season or two, but what we've seen so far indicates that his feet and reaction time aren't what they should be for a Left Tackle. I really want him to be successful there, but I admit to projecting my hopes onto him.
With good coaching (!) and maybe a position change, he might surprise us all and become a decent journeyman OLineman. There's no shame in that.
With good coaching (!) and maybe a position change, he might surprise us all and become a decent journeyman OLineman. There's no shame in that.
Texansballer74
The Marine
That is exactly what I'm doing, looking at him objectively verses tearing him down. And let's be real here, none of us are great talent evaluation specialist. If we were, we would be working somewhere in this field.
And since I see quite a few on here with the same take. Why in the world Obrien and Delvin hasn't seen this yet. And if they did notice why in world would you put a none athletic slow foot mammoth as Watson blindblin protection? Then turn around and say he's the starting left tackle for next season. Followed that up with drafting two more projects.
Are we saying we know more than these guys who are actually getting paid big time bucks?
Texansballer74
The Marine
I do not have an issue with the cross training method. My thing is your backups should be the ones that are versatile. Example: Kelemete playing for the Saints. He played several positions for them during his time there. But the Saints starters played their natural positions.
Our starters imo should play their natural positions.
Now when we did do all of this switching for whatever the reason. The communication was all jacked up. Missing assignments after assignments was the main culprit.
Dejaview
All Pro
Once this OL stabilizes and the running game starts popping is the only time to get a fair judgement. I’m patient because we are digging ourselves out of a trench. Can’t forget the other side of the skill set. Great run blocking is a great equalizer when the running game starts hitting on all cylinders.
Dejaview
All Pro
Starters do play their natural positions. They don’t change in a game. Injuries force them to. Does it matter if that best swing player is a starter on the field or a backup on the bench? I think so. The guy on the field is better. A swing player is an unwanted plug at game time and should be plugged in where the new adjusted five are playing at their best positions. Edit. And what goes unsaid is an eye to maintaining LT integrity. If the LT goes out and the next best LT is the starting RT you move him there. If the RT goes out you don’t move your LT to that position.
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Because Devlin can't judge talent. This is exactly what bothers me with picking a couple of more small school guys.
They had to go with Davenport last yr after missing out on Solder and Rankin missing TC
. Further more you can use the they know more than we do line. Do they really? Have you been paying attention to how putrid the OL has looked the last 2 seasons and yes Devlin worked out Davenport then he's a terrible judge of talent and we are better at judging talent than he is.
Dejaview
All Pro
Statements like your last one come with issues, lol.
Texansballer74
The Marine
Then how in the hell he keeps slipping through the cracks as a freaking offensive lines coach?
I know you have seen me write in here several times, that they completely dismantled a good line when they got here.
HaveMercy
Passing Through
Well said. I completely agree, the final Final evidence on Davenport isn't in yet.
Good run blocking helps and is very important. But is it an equalizer in all cases? I think not.
Good run blocking might compensate for average pass blocking, but it doesn't make up for turnstile pass blocking.
If Davenport's run blocking is good and his pass blocking becomes average, the infusion and maturing of Howard and Scharping will still likely push Davenport to another spot. He may be a very good guy to keep in another capacity. Journeyman players have an important role, too.
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Narrator: it's obrien who can't judge talent
HaveMercy
Passing Through
Devlin is a bit of a mystery, that's for sure. If a really good OL coach becomes available and OB still feels loyalty towards Devlin, maybe they could get creative and make room for the new guy by moving Devlin into a different job like Special Advisor or somesuch.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
Hardly a proven when at the beginning of the season your LT steps on his foot and breaks his ankle.
Seegara
Guitar Picker, Dog Lover, Woodworker
Turnstile pass blocking? We had some lookout pass blocking. The blocker would holler, "Look out, Deshaun. Here he comes!"
That's what you see. I see a guy who could hold the position for many years playing at an avg to above average level. I concede hell never be elite. I also concede the Texans want better.
But I don't believe he is near as bad as you think
throwANDREtheBALL
Waterboy
Not only the last 2 years. Look at the Texans Offensive Tackles over the years that didn't even get picked up by any other team after we chose not to re-sign them. Derek Newton, Chris Clark
And we signed a RT from Buffalo that no one wanted. Seantrel Henderson, he looks like another guy that wouldn't start for any other team in the league. So for someone to say this Front Office is all knowing and we are all too stupid to even doubt their genius......give me a break
Derek Newton and Chris Clark both got picked up by another team after they left Houston
That OL was aging, particularly Smith/Myers/ and I always thought about Newton like I do Davenport. (a good backup who can fill in when injury strikes, but shouldn't be counted on to be a starter. I guess there's some value in that.)
If you can get him to be able to move his feet faster then I will agree with you. But they spent high picks on 2 OT's for a reason.
valid perhaps, but not factual
If there is a position group on the field where the whole should be greater than the sum of its parts it's the offensive line. That is why in my opinion players should play mainly one position. Not only so each player can get better but also so everyone can jell as a group. Being able to coordinate with each other is almost as important as individual progress.
This also means it will take awhile before we really know what we have. The last thing any offensive line needs is constant change.
This also means it will take awhile before we really know what we have. The last thing any offensive line needs is constant change.
You talking about Davenport breaking Henderson's ankle?
I dont want to see this again.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
Dejaview
All Pro
What do we carry, eight OLmen? To get this holistic harmony, and I agree that’s the end in sight, the parts are what they are. The task is to find the optimum combination of five of those eight as consistently as possible. The last thing you say we need is the ONLY thing we actually have. Constant change because this is football. People get banged up. The problem isn’t cross training. It’s finding an eight deep quality OL. Since that is likely impossible for any team this transcendent thing is best achieved by developing means to keep the five best available OL on the field whenever fate just happens.