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I think I pretty much called for a fire sale after last game.I don't see a good coach at all. I have never wanted a coach gone just 20 games in before, but I do now.
but the team I am watching in 2015 appears very poorly coached... Disorganized, undisciplined, confused, panicked, and lacking identity.
IMO Yes because of multiple reasons, 1. I think O'Brien came in demanding respect and he didn't necessarily earn it. As a result there is now some resentment and it has begun to show in how bad the team performs across the board. This demanding respect thing seems to be a common flaw with many Belichick assistants and the reason why they ran McDaniels out of Denver and Pioli out of Kansas City. They all seem to have the propensity to piss people off. 2. To top it off O'Brien has made some really bone head decisions that have taken the team a couple of steps backwards instead of a step forward and that probably hasn't set well with many of the players either.serious question... do you think OB is losing the locker room right now? or do you think he is getting close to losing it?
Every one of those adjectives the head coach is responsible for.
I don't see a good coach at all. I have never wanted a coach gone just 20 games in before, but I do now.
I think I pretty much called for a fire sale after last game.
JB (one of the regulars here) didn't think it can happen this year.
I didn't want to get into an "argument", but I definitely can see the possibility.
The perplexing thing is that the defense incurs nowhere near the injury level like the offense does.
Yeah , he's had two drafts and two free agent periods .... or two offseason's in which to acquire his guy at QB and all we have to show for it is Mullet & Hoyerable .... and he cant decide which one of those scrubs he wants to play.
Next week I almost expect him to alternate the two every series ....
OB has done a poor job since the end of last season.
I won't call for his firing, but if they did I wouldn't complain.
This is not a well coached team or a well coached coaching staff.
serious question... do you think OB is losing the locker room right now? or do you think he is getting close to losing it?
I think I pretty much called for a fire sale after last game.
JB (one of the regulars here) didn't think it can happen this year.
I didn't want to get into an "argument", but I definitely can see the possibility.
The perplexing thing is that the defense incurs nowhere near the injury level like the offense does.
Is Obrien Really An NFL Caliber Head Coach??
Congratulations. I'm down 220 lbs., so I needed a little help. Whatever works.I just lost 50 lbs and want to lose 15 more. I did it with a focused mindset and a dedication to make less poop.
If I were OB, I'd lay this all on McNnair & Hard Knocks. Looks like a lot of the work we should have done hasn't been. Hopefully it's being done now.
Hopefully they'll figure out who their starters are on both sides of the ball & start putting together a team. An offense, a defense... special teams.
We're out of time. We have to find a way to Jacksonville, Miami, & Tennessee. Can't go into the bye any worse than 4-4
Can someone please find the statistic on the number of special teams plays that we are penalized on? I'm certain we're well over 50%.
The unusually high number of penalties on offense, defense, and ST's in every game is a sign of no discipline. Lacking discipline is a precursor to losing the players. There is no way O'Brien makes it to game 16 before losing this locker room.
Jayson Braddock @JaysonBraddock 10h10 hours ago
Spent some time this week gauging the atmosphere in NRG. It's not good. I'll tweet out some thoughts from the players & the relationships.
Jayson Braddock @JaysonBraddock 10h10 hours ago
Players in the locker room have compared the situation with this coaching staff to a "college environment".
Jayson Braddock @JaysonBraddock 10h10 hours ago
A lot of players aren't buying what the Texans' coaching staff is selling, any more. Have some players checked out on these coaches? Yes
Jayson Braddock @JaysonBraddock 10h10 hours ago
I'm not mixing opinions with facts. Would get confusing. What I've tweeted is what I know to be true.
lol just stop, the season is over. we will be lucky to win 4 total games
I don't think OB is as good as I thought he would be.If we don't get any better. I don't think we will either. But we'll see.
If OB was truly holding people accountable, first thing this morning he would:
1. Demand McNair fire Rick Smith for the "talent" he has provided.
After the game Jayson Braddock was saying some of the players have told them it's like a college atmosphere around the locker room. Said some players have already bailed on him
Totally get why you feel this way, but this is likely driven by last night's game. The Texans were actually one of the least penalized teams in the league going into last night. They went into that game averaging just 6.75 penalties per game. Last night they doubled their average with 13 flags.
It's hard to find the exact stat you're asking for, but I can assure you they are well below 50%. As you may imagine there are so many special teams plays in a game that if any team were THAT bad, it would be on every talk show today. Not trying to defend O'Brien in the least. Just offering up any information that helps give a better idea of what problems are and where they lay.
Here are some other 2015 penalty numbers that I found either interesting or noteworthy. Make of them what you will... (Note: these are accepted penalties)
Total penalties by unit
Offense: 14
Defense: 18
Special Teams: 8
The most penalized players are
E Pleasant: 5
K Jackson: 3
J Clowney: 3
K Johnson: 3
Infraction most often committed
False start: 6
Offensive Holding: 5
Defensive Holding: 4
Last night was the first time all year the Texans were flagged for face mask, chop block and unsportsmanlike conduct. It was a very chippy game.
After the game Jayson Braddock was saying some of the players have told them it's like a college atmosphere around the locker room. Said some players have already bailed on him
I forgot to add Seth Paynes comments yesterday at lunch. He mentioned how he thought a few players were half-assing plays when he re-watched the Falcons game. He said he wanted to wait until after last nights game to make anything of it. Meltzer said he wanted names if we lost last night. Well, I doubt Seth would call players out, but it'll be interesting to see if he sees the same type crapAfter the game Jayson Braddock was saying some of the players have told them it's like a college atmosphere around the locker room. Said some players have already bailed on him
You can slide in whatever jabs you want for little brownie points, but you bashed Kubiak relentlessly while he was here. Spare me, with the line of objectivity considering how badly you complained about how he coached the Texans for years.
Kubiak has zero rings as a HC. Just a really bad resume with the Texans that pretty much made you a miserable fan for a very long time whether you want to admit that now or not. And acting as if the term Guru in NFL terms of a conversation means just an influential teacher is being about as obtuse as you can attempt to be. The way you just put it could describe every OC that ever coached in the entire NFL.
I forgot to add Seth Paynes comments yesterday at lunch. He mentioned how he thought a few players were half-assing plays when he re-watched the Falcons game. He said he wanted to wait until after last nights game to make anything of it. Meltzer said he wanted names if we lost last night. Well, I doubt Seth would call players out, but it'll be interesting to see if he sees the same type crap
I have been a big believer in OBrien... I am not sure how the blame for this horrid season should be distributed
Guess who the scape-goat will eventually be?This is a very good question and one that's very difficult to answer unless we know the actual division of responsibilities. With the lack if further clarification of those, I'd be forced to apportion it: 50% The QB whisperer; and 50% The owners son whisperer.
This is a very good question and one that's very difficult to answer unless we know the actual division of responsibilities. With the lack if further clarification of those, I'd be forced to apportion it: 50% The QB whisperer; and 50% The owners son whisperer.
The Texans have created a vague situation. I don't care to parse it anymore. Talent, to QB, to bad coaching the pair of OB & Smith sucks across the board. They can go have a bedroom fight about apportionment after they both get fired.
The Texans have created a vague situation. I don't care to parse it anymore. Talent, to QB, to bad coaching the pair of OB & Smith sucks across the board. They can go have a bedroom fight about apportionment after they both get fired.
Xtruroyatyx has hit the nail on the head. Obrien & Godsey think they can coach grown men like they coached college kids....you can't ....and the veteran players are not going to risk injuries for these coaches by playing all out full throttle. Rumors are already seeping out that the veteran players have no faith in these coaches & are not buying in. Chip Kelly has made the same mistake...Jayson Braddock @JaysonBraddock
Players in the locker room have compared the situation with this coaching staff to a "college environment".
10:33 PM - 8 Oc
Jayson Braddock– @JaysonBraddock
A lot of players aren't buying what the Texans' coaching staff is selling, any more. Have some players checked out on these coaches? Yes
8:34 PM - 8 Oct 2015
Hire a college coach. get a college environment..
(might even be happening in philly..)
Hire a college coach. get a college environment..
(might even be happening in philly..)
What gets me is that Hoyer always has his helmet on like he is just waiting for the ok from the coach.
Reminds me a lot when Schaub and Keenum were with Kubiak.
Jayson Braddock @JaysonBraddock
Players in the locker room have compared the situation with this coaching staff to a "college environment".
The Texans have created a vague situation. I don't care to parse it anymore. Talent, to QB, to bad coaching the pair of OB & Smith sucks across the board. They can go have a bedroom fight about apportionment after they both get fired.
Hey, Bob McNair, what's your plan for Texans?
By Brian T. Smith
October 9, 2015 Updated: October 9, 2015 10:31pm
If I'm Bob McNair, I only have one question.
What's the plan?
What are you going to do, Rick Smith?
Where are we going, Bill O'Brien?
What is the plan?
Not for the 2015 Texans. Not for the already dead Brian Hoyer-Ryan Mallett debate. But for the only query that matters with 11 games left in the regular season and McNair's sad 1-4 team currently owning the second-worst winning percentage in the league.
What's the plan at quarterback for the often underperforming sports entity also known as the Texans?
Long term. Franchise wide. From 2016 to beyond.
Are we finally going to draft someone that we can build an organization around?
Is my 10th-year general manager willing to trade up while Roger Goodell walks the stage or deal away key picks for a decade-altering arm during free agency?
Is my second-year coach prepared to attach his name to a young leader who needs years of pro schooling at the same time that J.J. Watt is destroying offensive lines in his prime?
Are we willing to sacrifice a few meaningless victories and false annual hope for the potential of something lasting and real?
Because, if not, what the heck are we doing anyway? And what am I supposed to tell all my customers when they ask why the Texans still don't have a QB?
So, tell me Rick and Bill: What is your plan?
McNair insisted before the faceplant of 1-4 that his franchise didn't need a "super quarterback." Then there was a misguided training camp battle, "Be proud of your QBs, Houston!," a short leash, Hoyer as the starter, a broken leash, Mallet as the starter and Hoyer No. 1 again Friday, as the let's-see-if-he-can-do-it-this-time answer for Week 6 at Jacksonville.
Granted, McNair's definition of "super" might be slightly different than mine – I have very high professional standards. But I can't imagine a 78-year-old man – a proud owner who fired a well-respected Gary Kubiak less than two years ago -- is privately content with the QBs that O'Brien and Smith have rolled out since Week 1 in Year One.
If you're eating anything while reading this, swallow quick or spit it out. Because this is about to get real ugly, real fast.
OK. Here we go. Roll call:
2014 Texans
Weeks 1-9: Ryan Fitzpatrick
Weeks 11-12: Mallett
Weeks 13-14: Fitzpatrick
Week 15: Fitzpatrick, Tom Savage
Weeks 16-17: Case Keenum
2015 Texans
Week 1: Hoyer, Mallett
Weeks 2-3: Mallett
Weeks 4-5: Mallett, Hoyer
Week 6: Hoyer
If you're choking, call for help.
If you're still breathing, answer this: What in the heck was that?
Because it wasn't consistency. Or stability. Or continuity. Or any of those good, calming, reassuring words that remind you there's a proven plan in place and the long road is leading in a final, safe direction.
More depressing than all those rotating names is the fact that the Texans' QB chaos of 2015 has been entirely self-created.
Then there's this: The Wheel of Misfortune probably hasn't even finished turning yet.
When O'Brien returned the ball to Hoyer on Friday, he spoke of 11 "one-game seasons" for the remainder of the year. The coach also refused to commit to his Weeks 1 and 6 starter for more than one week at a time.
Say what? What'chu 'talkin 'bout, Willis?
"Really important," O'Brien said Friday, referring to the importance of consistency at the most important position in the NFL. "I mean it's really -- it's something we've been striving for as a team."
While Tennessee rolls with Marcus Mariota, the Jags believe in Blake Bortles, Oakland loves 2-2 life with Derek Carr (cursed at birth with the wrong last name) and the league's elite teams thrive with star QBs that children across the country worship and love, the Texans are playing some cheap, second-rate version of Russian roulette on McNair's dime.
Is that the plan? Because if it is, well, God help everyone who bought a Watt jersey last year.
Twenty-one months after joining forces with Smith, O'Brien's 10-12 as a coach and the duo don't have a young arm anywhere close to being ready to go. Tom Savage, a 2014 fourth-round pick who's twice had season-ending injuries, will have to fight for a roster spot next season. A bratty Mallett lost his job and all benefit of the doubt Thursday on national TV. And no matter how many wins Hoyer pulls out the rest of the year, we all knew he wasn't the answer when he was signed.
Somewhere inside the stadium that McNair owns, there must be a plan. A real plan. A powerful plan. One that ends the acceptance of mediocrity, shakes up an entire franchise and brings the Texans back to life, even if it requires losing up front to win in the end.
If not, hopefully the owner's paying enough attention to ask a simple question before it's too late - again.
A scathing article: