Which means the franchise will never be what it could be until McNair is no longer running the team.
That will happen in the next 5 yrs or 1 more regime change. IMHO
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Which means the franchise will never be what it could be until McNair is no longer running the team.
That will happen in the next 5 yrs or 1 more regime change. IMHO
Texecutioner
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I would have gone after Rivers or Foles ( Might have been wrong about Foles though) and I would have draft Mack if not for Bortles when I first had the chance. ANything would have been better than that worthless Clowney.
As far as from this point now, man I don't know what the hell I'd do about the QB situation. We may not have anyone available in FA that is worth a damn at this point, so that is very hard to say. I'd probably still nag the Chargers to see if they'd trade Rivers after this season. It is likely not happening though since he resigned. Most teams aren't going to trade a guy like that after signing him long term. I'd see what is in the draft at QB first and foremost, and if there is a great potential QB that I feel can be the franchise, I'd trade whatever the hell I had to trade to move up in the first round to get him. My philosophy is that you move heaven and earth to find a QB when you don't have one, and build from there. The NFL rules have made that position to important not to.
The LB situation would be a consideration for our first pick if we can't get a QB. I've been trashing our LB's for two years saying we have some of the worst. Cushing is always hurt and he hasn't been the same for a while. I didn't like the guy we got in the 2nd round this year either. I'd try and get one in FA and I'd draft one early if I could. There are always a lot of LB's in the first round.
Last year they got just about every bounce of the ball to go their way .... This year not so much. They were tied for second in turnover margin .... I stated elsewhere it would be difficult to reproduce that margin and they haven't come close.
Teams that force turnovers and don't turn it over win more often than not.
This year Mullet has had 2-3 INT's that were just bad bounces .... Foster's fumble was another of those fluky plays.
Some teams are lucky , some teams are good , the teams that win it all are usually both - This team is and was neither this year and just lucky last.
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I'd get Tom Brady & Clay Matthews.
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Wolf
100% Texan
Or capers "execute"
Brisco_County
Apples and roadmaps
Agreed with all this. O'Brien demonstrated his competencies and won without a real QB. That shouldn't be forgotten.
The 2013 season is a perfect example of how a defense will quit when a QB/offensive line can't stay on the field. Hell, the Longhorns have been a perfect example of that over the past five years.
Scooter
Funky
Lol O'Brien won 9 games holding on for dear life to Kubiak and Wade's team. He didn't come in here and install some grand scheme with all new players. Anytime he did try to depart from the previous regime's methods we fell flat. Any time he had to go against a coach that drafted outside the top 5, we fell flat. Coach of the year for 9-7 is just silly, we were fortunate to get that far because of a ton of lucky bounces in the form of turnovers. We're seeing what O'Brien can do now that his own players are starting to accumulate and he's installed his own scheme.
I dunno about that .... Fitzy has been playing fairly well and his team winning games. The J.E.T.S are 3-1 in a tough division.
Winning without a real QB is easier with Arian Foster.
Keenum did it.
Keenum did it.
To be quite honest , I think Keenum is a better player than either of the scrubs we have at QB this season .... tho that's not saying a whole lot. That's not to say I want another round of Keenum , just that these two suck ....
We need to search under every rock and in every corner for a capable QB.
Texecutioner
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Fitz sucks, and he is the same as he was last year and on every team. The Jets haven't beaten any great teams yet, and they're not winning because of Fitz. They're winning in spite of Fitz. If Fitz was here now, everyone on this site would scold the HC for running with the same guy again and thinking he could win. He tries new guys and now you guys are complimenting the guy everyone wanted out of here last season. I forgot the first team they beat, but after that it was a Colts team that played terrible that still almost won and they beat the Dolphins that are so bad they fired their coach after 4 games.
speedfreek
All Pro
Guys like Harbaugh/Carroll are .50 cal
Guys like Arians/Payton are .308s
Guys like O'Brien are rat shot..
Guys like Arians/Payton are .308s
Guys like O'Brien are rat shot..
Texecutioner
Hall of Fame
Are you forgetting that Foster got injured last season and AJ turned into an average receiver?
Are you forgetting the 4 games that were lost due to a fumble by AJ and another one by Hopkins?? You forgetting the Steelers game that Foster and the QB totally threw away at halftime?
Are you forgetting that we lost all of our QB's last season and even had to revert back to Keenum??
How in the hell was that luck for us? We had BAD LUCK all year and still ended up being 9-7.
Are you forgetting that we got ZERO out of that handicapp DE we drafted as the #1 pick!!!!??
Just admit that you are mad that Kubiak is gone, and you can't get over it, but stop making up things that are completely untrue about a season that was a good one last year. The team went 2-14 the year before, so spare me with the stuff about us being lucky. We were one of the most unlucky teams in the league last season with the injuries to key positions, and we came out with a winning season and the same record that at least one playoff team in our conference had. We were a lot of things last season, but saying we were lucky is completely laughable.
Texecutioner
Hall of Fame
Mad that KUbiak is gone. Lol!
Rat shot might actually kill something .... OB is more like a salt load , aint gonna do nuttin but sting for a while.
Scooter
Funky
Mad that O'Brien has us at 1-3, and down 42-0 to a team that overhauled their coaches the same time we did.
Brisco_County
Apples and roadmaps
To be fair, the Falcons were stable at the QB position. Though it would've been nice to have Kyle Shanahan as an OC again.
Texecutioner
Hall of Fame
You should be happy and rejoicing then. You've wanted the Texans to crash and burn since they let go of Kubiak, so drink your bittersweet liquor and enjoy it. I got used to this in the Capers/Kubiak era, so I'm good.
Scooter
Funky
He's a name I've been curious about for a little while now - somebody's going to give him a HC job before long. I don't think I'd want him here, because of his age and lack of any real coaching tree, but I'm willing to bet that he'd do quite well with the right support.
I never was a fan of the O'Brien hire from the get-go due to many of the reasons people in this thread have already discussed (the largely flat resume, the snake oil that is the Belichick coaching tree). But just the way the guy handles himself has just always rubbed me the wrong way. Take for example the locker stuff from last offseason. I'm sure many people were ooh'ing and aah'ing about him taking the names off the lockers and making a show out of it, but as soon as I saw that I immediately felt like this guy was/is in over his head. I hate stuff like that. Just my personal opinion there.
Then again, I suppose this is all my personal opinion...
Anyhoo!
The mark of a solid NFL coach in my mind is one that fields a consistent team on a consistent basis. Consistency. We always hear the media gasbags talk about it and they're right. We always hear former or current players talk about it and they're right. Does a head coach prepare his team to compete week in and week out? Yesterday the Dolphins fired Joe Philbin bercause he had routinely failed to field a prepared team.
I'm a stat nerd. And while I love me some motivational Rex Ryan rah-rah stuff, I prefer to see a coach do it on the scoreboard. And to me a mark of said consistency is how many games do you find yourself down by 2 touchdowns or more in? Fluky things happen like an opposing team scoring followed by a pick six to go down by 14. To see that a few times in a season is expected. Last year Bill O'Brien did largely feast on poor teams; however, I gave him his props because even in losses, the team seemed prepared. Only in 3 games last season did the Texans trail by 14 or more points. I don't like O'Brien, but I'm fair about him and last year he gave me reason to think I was wrong about him.
Well, guess what? They've already matched that total this year. And we're just four games into the season. That's not just a red flag, that's a wailing siren. That, to me, is a sign of a team that is routinely coming out unprepared and that's all a reflection of Bill O'Brien.
Then again, I suppose this is all my personal opinion...
Anyhoo!
The mark of a solid NFL coach in my mind is one that fields a consistent team on a consistent basis. Consistency. We always hear the media gasbags talk about it and they're right. We always hear former or current players talk about it and they're right. Does a head coach prepare his team to compete week in and week out? Yesterday the Dolphins fired Joe Philbin bercause he had routinely failed to field a prepared team.
I'm a stat nerd. And while I love me some motivational Rex Ryan rah-rah stuff, I prefer to see a coach do it on the scoreboard. And to me a mark of said consistency is how many games do you find yourself down by 2 touchdowns or more in? Fluky things happen like an opposing team scoring followed by a pick six to go down by 14. To see that a few times in a season is expected. Last year Bill O'Brien did largely feast on poor teams; however, I gave him his props because even in losses, the team seemed prepared. Only in 3 games last season did the Texans trail by 14 or more points. I don't like O'Brien, but I'm fair about him and last year he gave me reason to think I was wrong about him.
Well, guess what? They've already matched that total this year. And we're just four games into the season. That's not just a red flag, that's a wailing siren. That, to me, is a sign of a team that is routinely coming out unprepared and that's all a reflection of Bill O'Brien.
HOU-TEX
Ah, Football!
Salt loads can kill fly's. I think he's more along the lines of a starter pistol. All noise with no results
One thing I like to see... NFL coaches taking a page from the NCAA ranks. Just win baby. I want to see NFL coaches continuing the evolution of the game. Some people didn't see it with Kubiak, but he was always adding quirks & twists to keep his offense fresh.
Last night the Lions ran a WR screen with a twist. One of the "blockers" faked a block, then ran into the pattern. The three defenders to that side swarmed the playmaker motioning like he was going to get the screen & Stafford threw it to the "blocker" for a big gain.
Or like last year, when Russell Wilson would run the zone read. Their opponents knew it was coming, prepared for it & when they saw it in a game, they reacted. Wilson had nowhere to go... but they threw in wrinkle with an option to pass the ball from the same "zone read" look.
I'm still not convinced we've seen OB's offense yet. At least I hope we haven't. But in addition to a little cheating, Belichick's teams have always sprinkled a little innovation into what they do... both sides of the ball.
Texansfan69
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We have agreed on quite a few things over the years with regards to the McNairs. I think where our perspectives are different is intent.
There are two ways to look at it: either the McNairs are only in it for the money and this is just another revenue stream, or, they have all the money they could ever want and the Texans are an expensive hobby.
I tend to agree with michaelm, which is the latter of the two perspectives:
I think this is closer to the truth, at least from my perspective. They are rich beyond imagination, so it never made much sense to me that the Texans were only an investment.
I think McNair likes being a part of the NFL owners club, but he's clueless on evaluating talent (both players, coaches, and GM), and might listen to the advice of other owners more often than he should.
"Hire Charlie Casserly", they said, "he's got three Super Bowl rings with the Redskins and GM experience."
"Hire Dom Capers," they said, "he's got experience as a head coach of an expansion team."
And on and on and on.
And besides, the best thing for marketing is winning. I think the McNairs really want to win, either for the sales and/or for the prestige, but like michaelm said, they have no clue how to do it consistently.
I'm even more pessimistic about the future because Cal McNair is relatively young and we will most likely have a McNair owning this team for many more decades. And there is absolutely nothing about Cal McNair that leads me to believe that he can run a championship caliber franchise.
Has this franchise ever been down 42-0? I do not recall ever being so thoroughly beaten, and that includes the first 2-14 season!
Yeah, cuz Brian Hoyer is so much better.
Yep. Hoyer is like a crappy Fitzpatrick, which means the standards are very low around here.
Texecutioner
Hall of Fame
Sorry, but you and any other so called fan that has the audacity to whine about this team not having Fitz is a total fraud. Just go root for another team then. If we had Fitz, you'd be screaming to the rooftop that we didn't get rid of him just like everyone did last season. The organization went a different route like everyone demanded, and now you're crying about us letting go of a guy that was one of the worst QB's in the league now. Go kick rocks somewhere and STFU.
Are you really calling out someone as a fan over a conversation about wanting one garbage QB over another garbage QB? Why can't you just agree to disagree without going to the route of acting like the SUPERIOR FAN? We chastised mridge0 when he joined the forum for the same thing, attacking the poster and not the post. But now you, a longtime member, are doing the same childish immature bullshit.
Disagree with a point and let the spittle fly, but let's quit the personal attacks and stop the mentality that someone has to conform to groupthink to be a fan of this shitty franchise.
Being a fan of a losing team sucks. And it sucks even more when fans start turning on each other...
Perhaps...until they signed Brian freakin' Hoyer, the hot garbage rejected by four other NFL teams to not even be a backup QB.
You know what I'd like to see? O'Brien, Mr. "QB Guru", to find a young talent that he's evaluated and believes that he can coach up instead of looking through the scrapheap and believing that he, above all other coaches, can make chicken salad out of chickenshit.
You say this like the organization gives a crap what fans "demand"...
Fair enough
I disagree with you and MichealM on this but I do respect differing opinions. I also believe McNair loves being in the billionaire boys club. so much so that he's willing to go along with collusion during the strike and God'ell's aborted attempts to frame the Saints/Pats, why? $$$$.
Cal McNair's claim to fame is that he won the gene pool and with friends like Rick Smith running his franchise you can expect 2 things. 1. They will make alot of $$$$. 2. There will be alot of heartache among the loyal Texans fanbase. What could change this? A few championships from the Rockets/Astros.
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Texecutioner
Hall of Fame
I can totally understand people being frustrated right now. I can totally understand people puling their hair out after watching Mallet the last few games. It's understandable. What I'm sick and tired of is the frauds that are spewing trash all over this site after they cried all season long about Fitzpatrick. It is one thing to complain about OB's coaching or his X's and O's, but to come back and bash OB, Mcnair, or Smith after they did what ALL THE TEXANS FANS wanted last season is just fraud. I'm sorry, but it is. The team did what fans demanded, and now some of those fans are right back here to call foul for doing what they demanded.
Here is one of the many threads that displays exactly what folks were whining about all year when Fitzpatrick was our QB.
http://www.texanstalk.com/threads/ryan-fitzpatrick-by-the-numbers.106489/
I'm sorry, but we've got some of the most uninformed fans I've ever seen. Our fan base is worse than the Cowboys and the Titans when it comes to general awareness about the NFL.
Again, people wanted a change and the Texans got one. We brought in Hoyer to compete with Mallet, and Mallet got his chance like EVERYONE WANTED. It turned out he stunk it up. I'll complain until the cows come home that we didn't go after guys like Rivers and even Foles, but I might have been wrong about Foles myself. He is struggling. I wanted to see what Mallet had as well last season. I didn't want him for this year, but over everything we had I definitely wanted to see what he could possibly do once and for all, and close that book. It turns out my own feelings of wanting to see what Mallet had wasn't the best either, but I'm not going to bash the Texans in hind sight knowing god damn well I wanted to see a change.
I'll call out the folks that are doing that when they are, and I'll let their previous posts show it.
I know they don't DB. We both know that. WE HAVE ALWAYS AGREED ON WHO BOB MCNAIR IS. I apologize to you for some of my words on the last post. I should not have said some of the words that I said, but not to the poster for his and other's flat out fraud stuff they're spewing all over the place about how we should have kept Fitzpatrick, and not tried someone else. We tried, we failed AGAIN. Okay, we failed. But we didn't fail because we didn't keep the dreadful Fitzpatrick that has been on like 6 teams now.
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xtruroyaltyx
Hall of Fame
Fans are people. People change their mind.
It's like shooting someone in the foot so they forget about the paper cut they have. That's what going from fitz to Hoyer is like.
I assume most people thought getting rid of fitz meant we'd be looking to upgrade the position, not add Hoyer.
If you're going to take away the dish that is edible, but not delicious and then give me rotten eggs, don't I have a right to change my mind and say, "hey, let me get that mush back"?
I think fans have a right to be fickle when their team sucks. Fans also have a right to "pump sunshine". Fans can pretty much do no wrong as far as posting about the team IMO when the franchise has been so underwhelming. I personally am not worried about who is right or who is wrong and keeping tabs on what was said.
I mean who cares?
The team is in complete control anyways and they are failing hard right now. I'm dissatisfied with the product as I imagine most are. Yeah we are going to disagree about this or that, but the big picture is we're all fans of a sorry ass team.
It's like shooting someone in the foot so they forget about the paper cut they have. That's what going from fitz to Hoyer is like.
I assume most people thought getting rid of fitz meant we'd be looking to upgrade the position, not add Hoyer.
If you're going to take away the dish that is edible, but not delicious and then give me rotten eggs, don't I have a right to change my mind and say, "hey, let me get that mush back"?
I think fans have a right to be fickle when their team sucks. Fans also have a right to "pump sunshine". Fans can pretty much do no wrong as far as posting about the team IMO when the franchise has been so underwhelming. I personally am not worried about who is right or who is wrong and keeping tabs on what was said.
I mean who cares?
The team is in complete control anyways and they are failing hard right now. I'm dissatisfied with the product as I imagine most are. Yeah we are going to disagree about this or that, but the big picture is we're all fans of a sorry ass team.
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Texecutioner
Hall of Fame
True, but if you sat here all year complaining and complaining about how bad a guy was and how dumb a team was for rolling with a guy and demanding to use his back up and then the team does that, don't come back and complain that the team did what you asked for. People wanted Fitz out of here, and for good reason. He was awful. Mallet was an unknown and now we've seen the unknown, and it hasn't been pretty.
To use your analogy, don't complain about how much you hate a dish and then whine because you can't have that dish you hated anymore. You begged to have that dish not fed to you anymore. You know the grass isn't always greener on the other side. Everyone has heard that one before as well. It always isn't.
I can totally understand the complaints about the QB's this year, but we didn't roll with just Hoyer. We came out with Hoyer and Mallet so they gave themselves two options and both have failed badly. People wanted to see what Mallet had though. They begged for him all year last season. I can totally get it if people want to bring up not going after Bortles or Bridgewater, but not the guy we already tried for a season that was only supposed to be a stop gap season in the first place. Complain about all the other guys we didn't go after that we had a chance at. Not the other guy who already crashed and burned here. That is the equivalent to complaining about us not picking up Matt Schaub again.
Bulls on Parade
2017 Astros: Earn It!
But we, as fans, don't take a stand or do anything to change things. We still pay big money to purchase tickets. Some of you have season tickets. A lot of us buy a lot of Texans merchandise and spend every hard-earned dollar on anything Houston Texans.
We still contribute to Bob McNair making a lot of money so why should he change the culture of the organization? We can go 2-14 and suck ass every week, like we've done two seasons before, and the Texans fans are still out there waiting in line for tickets and pumping more money into the team.
There is no reason for Bob McNair to be disgusted by the product on the field, or to prompt major change, if the product on the field is a gold mine and cash cow. The NFL is a business and it has more to do with financial gain than it actually does winning to some owners.
Now if the fans want to change things then stop going to the games. Stop watching the games on TV (give them low ratings). Stop buying the tickets. Don't buy any merchandise. Make it known that this losing **** is unacceptable. And when Bob McNair's billions start to take a hit then we'll see the necessary changes we need to see. Maybe then we'll become a viable Super Bowl contender and not the same "almost team". Not the same "two wild-card wins over the Bengals, a team that hasn't won a playoff game since 1991, will always be our highlight as a franchise."
The same people who complain about the Houston Texans struggling and losing games for years and years, are the same ones that feed into the ongoing problem. We're content spending money on this mediocre and unsatisfying product. I've seen some Texans fans and season ticket holders talking about their tailgate experience as the most fun they've had. So we're happy with the gameday experience and don't care about the losses it seems like. In a business world we're the ones that are to blame.
Texecutioner
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As long as there is tailgating that will never happen. People can stomach a horrible game and even a horrible season as long as they can go eat BBQ and drink beer before the games seeing crazy people. They thoroughly enjoy that part of the experience. If both 2-14 seasons didn't change the attendance dramatically, I just don't think it will ever happen. People live, breathe, and **** football in this city. The fans in Houston are also way to soft. They don't DEMAND results from the Texans organization, and they'll spend money for their tailgating experiences over sending a message to the organization. A lot of fans in this city also embrace players and coaches over winning and would rather have "their guys" than a winning team.
Look at all of the fans that still wanted Kubiak back after so many bad seasons. They loved his "nice guy" act they felt was classy, the fact that he was from Houston, and because he was an ex Aggie. They wanted him to coach here forever. Look at how many fans wanted to pay Andre Johnson like 14 Million this season after he clearly had lost a step last year. They didn't care that it was going to destroy our cap situation that was already bad knowing we could make any off season moves. They wanted AJ here despite the consequences. If the Packers offered a package to give us Aaron Rodgers for JJ Watt, I can guarantee you that half the fans would be against that, knowing we have no QB and what a game changer Rogers would be. They wouldn't want to let go of Watt and they'd stick to that knowing we were still losers for their beloved Watt. That is how the fans are in this city. They aren't ever going to send that message you're talking about as long as tailgating is here.
I have no logical reason for it, but I truly dread Cal McNair taking over this team. Maybe it's the silver spoon thing, or maybe it's the clueless, vacant look he's always got on his face, or maybe it's being BFF with the GM (a person who's relationship should be solely professional on a pro football team)....perhaps it's all of the above. Bob McNair at least built his empire, so you know he's got the smarts, just not necessarily football smarts. Bob is playing Madden 15, but Cal seems like he's playing with one of those vibrating football games where the players all go in different directions when you turn it on. It's probably not fair to Cal, as I obviously don't know the guy, but I'm just going to call it like my gut sees it. He can prove me wrong and I'll gladly eat crow if/when it happens.
With regards to Bob McNair....I just look at his history of decisions...and can't help but wonder about the thought processes behind them.
We've heard that Capers/Casserly was recommendations by other NFL owners. This was the proverbial "kick me" sign for a noob owner.
Then we learn that he always had a man crush on Kubiak, even interviewing him for the expansion gig. He loved the backstory, Houston native yada yada, and then leans on the advice of Dan Reeves to hire Rick Smith and Kubiak. Gave him 8 seasons, which is almost an eternity in the NFL, especially when the first five seasons were failures. Heck, there are championship coaches that had shorter careers with any given team.
Now we have the NE model, no doubt on the advice of his new BFF, Robert Kraft. O'Brien, Crennel, Vrabel, Godsey, all former NE coaches. And even going so far as to sign up Brady's backups (almost had the full set with Matt Cassel).
I see a pattern forming...
I hear ya', man. To be honest, I've come to the conclusion that fans in general - myself included - really don't know what the eff we're talking about. Sure, we'll get some stuff right from time to time on an individual level, but overall, fans want something so bad that it's like an addiction, but one that we have absolutely no control to influence. And it clouds our judgment and often obscures rational thought process.
However, what is really frustrating is seeing professional football people make decisions that appear from the outside to not be much more insightful or educated than the general fanbase.
With regards to Fitz, I hated the addition in the offseason, but eventually accepted that he's a placeholder for the eventual starting QB. Chalk up a lost season, but hoped for the best. Now, though, it seems like O'Brien is intent/content with another lost season with another below average placeholder, only this time he's got two of them. It kinda' makes you not trust the guy, especially when you see a 42-0 game where all three phases are really bad. And this comes from someone that likes the man and really thought/wants him to succeed here.
But yeah, I get it, we're all frustrated fans and the realization of yet another lost season is slowly starting to sink in. And it's human nature to turn on each other, especially different opinions born out of fan passion. I just hate to see it, because we have experienced enough of all of that in 11 of the 13 years that this franchise has existed.
That's a model destined to fail. Surely the McNairs understand they're cashing in borrowed money & they need to start winning to keep the coffers open.
Texian
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Last time I saw a recent picture of Cal he was close to joining the 300 Pound Club and the 50 inch Waist Club. He is enjoying his Daddy's success however 300 and 50 doesn't speak well to the Commitment of Excellence, Pride and Hard Work.
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They haven't so far.
Easy for this to happen when you dont have a worry in the world.
Dishman
Miss Ya Blue
I wonder what Bob McNair looks at on Sunday evening, the score board or tickets sold? At the end of the year is the team record even a consideration?
That Smith wasn't fired before or alongside Kubiak seems to indicate dollars over wins. I think you're right that this model will soon run its course and it will be win or GTFO.
I can imagine how he feels when Kraft & the boys makes him share a table with the Fords, Haslam, & Shahid Kahn.
How does Rick indicate dollars?
I understand the frustration people feel over Rick. & it's understandable. I understand the frustration people feel about the state of our franchise & the constant mediocrity.
But... while we can sit on internet forums & say I'd hire Eddie Kramer & get out of the way (or whatever), thinking the problem is solved for all eternity, it just doesn't happen that way in the real world.
McNair has made some moves as owner of the Texans to make this a better franchise. He fired Capers, he hired Kubiak. There was improvement. Not as much as we would have liked to have seen, but it wouldn't have made any sense, & most likely wouldn't have helped matters, if McNair had fired Kubiak then. Or the next year, or the year after.
Kubiak got 8 years & if you don't minimize the success he did have... it was a pretty good run. At least a decent shot. Never materialized as Bob, or any of us would have liked, but a decent shot none the less.
So we moved on. 1 season & 4 weeks ago.
It seems like many won't be happy until McNair moves the team & some other billionaire comes in, buys the GreenBay Packers & move them here.
Look at what's happening in Cleveland, Jacksonville, Carolina. That's where we should be (& probably are). Some people will say, they'd love to be Carolina. They have their franchise QB. They won their division & went to the play offs last year. They won a play off game.
They won their division at 7-8-1. We were 9-7. We've won two play off games in the last 6 years. They didn't. Cam Newton is not winning a Super Bowl (my opinion of course & if this wasn't a them against the Texans statement, they'd all agree with me) & our options are open to get a franchise QB next year or the year after.
& when we get that guy, he's probably going to suck his first four games.
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I generally agree with this, but the QB situation is of OB's own doing. That is purely on him. He screwed the pooch naming Hoyer the starter, screwed it again by yanking him in the 1st game and I'm sorry, but "gameplan offense" appears to be code "I've got no clue how to run an offense without Tom Brady and Bill Belichik or one helluva running game". Not to mention that he had his pick of QB's in the 2014 draft and none of them overly impressed him. If this season is tanked, I wouldn't mind seeing if the Texans can lure Jim Harbaugh away from Michigan. He only went to the Super Bowl with freaking Kaepernick as his QB.
As for the rest of the season, I think Thursday night's performance will be telling. If the Texans come out looking flat and inept after Sunday's ass-whipping, OB has lost the team or just doesn't know how to be a successful head coach, kind of in the Wade Phillips mold. One or two good years, then the wheels fall off.
Turnover ratio also pretty much flip-flops every year. 2013, the Texans couldn't get any. 2014, they couldn't stop getting them. 2015 is starting to look a lot like 2013. I also mentioned last season that the Texans couldn't count on getting turnovers. Several games were won due to opponents turning the ball over in the red zone. I don't think that fact should be minimalized when critiquing OB. The Texans could've very easily had a 6-10 record last season if not for those turnovers.
Yeah that worked real well against Bud Adams didn't it?
I think getting turnovers is about hustle. There are going to be so many loose balls every game. If your guys quit when the play looks like it's over, you're not going to get very many of them.
If you're taught to minimize the big play, you're more apt to watch that guy in front of you catch the ball. If you're taught to never let them catch it, you're more apt to blow him up, jump the route, or strip it on the way down.
Research turnover ratios. I didn't make that up. It's highly variable year to year.
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I've always been most inclined to think pass rush causes more turnovers then any other definable method. I agree if anyone could figure out a formula for making it happen hustle would be an ingredient.
"Hey you call this slop?! Real slop's got chunks of things in it. This is more like gruel!"
As underwhelming as Fitzpatrick was last year by the numbers, he was exactly what Double Barrel said he was -- a placeholder. Would Fitz have won the Superbowl? Very likely not. I do think that Fitz would've won that Carolina game a few weeks back though, and the Texans would then be 2-2 with some semblance of hope.
That's why fans are so frustrated. The see the front runner of the division in the Colts with Luck struggling and Pagano feuding with team ownership about his worth... and the Texans aren't going to be able to take advantage of it. If there ever was a time to take back the division, this was it. Wasted.