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Injury Discussion Thread

CloakNNNdagger said:
From the game thread, right after the injury occurred.






He should never have been allowed to play even for one play after his injury.........it could have only aggravated his injury. There are saying their classic "it's not a long-term injury."
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He shouldn't have played in that game on that turf period 2 games played there, 2 sprained ankles.
 
TheRealJoker V2 said:
Still waiting on Christian Harris and Nico…
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austins23 said:
I got a feeling Harris is done for the year. Something ain’t right
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Harris has essentially not been able to practice since July 18 (1 attempted practice 3 weeks after his initial calf tear [too soon] and was shut down immediately after only a couple of reps).

My impression from Oct 1 still stands................The calf and Achilles tendon are so interrelated that most times when one has a problem so does the other.:

CloakNNNdagger said:
Christian Harris continues to have significant debility from his calf tear (I'm beginning to believe his Achilles is involved). Despite being designated eligible to return after fulfilling his 4 week IR stint, the Texans do not feel that they can open up the 3-week window of practice this week for ultimate return.
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CloakNNNdagger said:
Harris has essentially not been able to practice since July 18 (1 attempted practice 3 weeks after his initial calf tear [too soon] and was shut down immediately after only a couple of reps).

My impression from Oct 1 still stands................The calf and Achilles tendon are so interrelated that most times when one has a problem so does the other.:
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Maybe it was a grade 3 calf tear? With a 4 month recovery time?
 
TexansBull said:
Maybe it was a grade 3 calf tear? With a 4 month recovery time?
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It was a grade II to begin with and he wasn't ready to return when they brought him back for practice...............he reinjured. A grade II reinjury can be a very long recovery. If he had suffered a grade III tear, they would not have even considered him a designation for return because of the ultra high risk of reinjury in the same season. No I still believe that he has problems with both his calf and Achilles tendon.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
It was a grade II to begin with and he wasn't ready to return when they brought him back for practice...............he reinjured. A grade II reinjury can be a very long recovery. If he had suffered a grade III tear, they would not have even considered him a designation for return because of the ultra high risk of reinjury in the same season. No I still believe that he has problems with both his calf and Achilles tendon.
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Very much appreciated.
 
Dameon Pierce is noot practicing today..............he should not play Sunday.

Patterson practicing today................good chance he clears Protocol for Sunday.

The team is reporting that Nico Collins has passed all tests for hamstring integrity. He is not practicing today. Collins should have a full week practice (including a contact practice) before playing in a game. He has already been brought back too soon once.
 
I have no idea whether this guy is a solid source or not, but this was forwarded in another group.

It would be good if Harris could make an impact in the playoffs this season.
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welsh texan said:
I have no idea whether this guy is a solid source or not, but this was forwarded in another group.

It would be good if Harris could make an impact in the playoffs this season.
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His calf tear was still a Grade II..................they initially just brought him back too soon and aggravated his injury into a very much longer rehab than it would have been had they not had rushed him back. In addition, in pushing to get him back recently, he suffered another setback. With this history, even if he is able to return week 14, I believe he will find it difficult to stay on the field the rest of the season.
 
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Kenyon Green listed as DNP. He has not been placed on IR. It appears that the Texans may not planning to place Green on IR, and may consider trying to have him return with a shoulder harness. I hope that they don't attempt that approach. No way he now miraculously becomes effective, especially while wearing a harness .
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
Kenyon Green listed as DNP. He has not been placed on IR. It appears that the Texans may not planning to place Green on IR, and may consider trying to have him return with a shoulder harness. I hope that they don't attempt that approach. No way he now miraculously becomes effective, especially while wearing a harness .
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I’m wondering out loud if placing him on IR would complicate matters if they want to cut him loose after the season.
 
TexansFan15 said:
Does anyone know why Collins isn’t practicing? There were tons of reports that rehab is going well and he’s running up to 20mph. Why wouldn’t they activate him for the game if that is the case?
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TheRealJoker V2 said:
Coach speak. His injury is taking longer than 4 weeks to heal. Doesn’t matter who is on the schedule, doesn’t change the real timeline to return from his injury, that we wont be told other than what @CloakNNNdagger can decipher.
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I've addressed this in the past. Collins' injury cannot be considered a primary hamstring injury...........it is a recurrent tear...........which always requires much more and longer rehab.

Nearly 30 percent of people with a hamstring injury develop recurring hamstring strains, with some studies reporting rates as high as 60 to 70 percent. The majority of these hamstring re-injuries occur within the first two months after return to sport, with an increased risk thereafter. In one study, that increased risk was three times that of an uninjured athlete for up to one whole year following the initial injury.

Running straight line 20 mph sounds good. But in a game, Collins will be expected to run many routes during the course of a game as he is the stretch WR.......................and he will have to forcefully push off the line............decelerate/stop sharply...............cut sharply...............................all factors that risk exposing him to a high risk for another bout with a hamstring issue.
 
Marcus said:
I’m wondering out loud if placing him on IR would complicate matters if they want to cut him loose after the season.
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You can't cut a player who is on IR. His contract is fully guaranteed thru 2026. His dead cap will be the only other real financial responsibility the team will have if released.............~$9 million if released this year.
 
Decker must have gotten injured in practice this week. Don’t believe he was on the injury report Wednesday. Big loss for Lions. Maybe losing their LT will cancel out Texans losing Anderson for at least this game. Concerned with Tank being a late add to the injury report and questionable with a back injury.




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NitroGSXR said:
Well sure. I would rather have a win and Nico balling out the rest of the season over anything else. All potential scenarios aside… my point was that we will never know if it was the right decision.
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Given how they've done with handling injuries to this point and how often @CloakNNNdagger has had to update us with our players picking up compensatory injuries I can't see a scenario where holding him out was the wrong move.

In fact given our history I find it borderline insanity that people think he should have played.
 
Sweech said:
Given how they've done with handling injuries to this point and how often @CloakNNNdagger has had to update us with our players picking up compensatory injuries I can't see a scenario where holding him out was the wrong move.

In fact given our history I find it borderline insanity that people think he should have played.
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Yeah… we’re a joke when it comes to strength and training. Always have been.

To be clear… I’m not saying that I think he should have played. I’m just merely stating… we’ll never know. That’s all. He’s playing tomorrow so we will see if he makes it through okay.
 
NitroGSXR said:
Well sure. I would rather have a win and Nico balling out the rest of the season over anything else. All potential scenarios aside… my point was that we will never know if it was the right decision.
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Sweech said:
Given how they've done with handling injuries to this point and how often @CloakNNNdagger has had to update us with our players picking up compensatory injuries I can't see a scenario where holding him out was the wrong move.

In fact given our history I find it borderline insanity that people think he should have played.
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If the Texans were as confident as they said they were about his "100%" recovery, he would have played against the Lions.
 
NitroGSXR said:
Well sure. I would rather have a win and Nico balling out the rest of the season over anything else. All potential scenarios aside… my point was that we will never know if it was the right decision.
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If Nico stays healthy all year then it was a good choice, especially when they make the playoffs.
 
JB said:
Because everyone else in the AFCS sucks more
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If healthy and the OL gains some continuity this team can beat anybody. They should've beaten the 2nd best team in the NFL minus the best WR in the NFL and their best pass rusher. They just need to play together for the rest of the season and get their stuff together over the next couple of months so that they're playing their best come playoff time. This team hasn't even scratched the surface of how good they can be.

BTW, it's not like they haven't beaten good teams and every team minus the Vikings has been one score games.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
If the Texans were as confident as they said they were about his "100%" recovery, he would have played against the Lions.
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So like NitroGSXR said, we'll never know. Nico may have been saying he was 87% last week & Texans decided to hold him out. He may be saying the same 87% this week & the Texans are rolling the dice.

We won't know for three/four weeks whether this week is too early or not.
 
thunderkyss said:
So like NitroGSXR said, we'll never know. Nico may have been saying he was 87% last week & Texans decided to hold him out. He may be saying the same 87% this week & the Texans are rolling the dice.

We won't know for three/four weeks whether this week is too early or not.
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With some bad luck, we may find out before then.
 
edo783 said:
I wonder if our Damians ankle is messed up worse than they have tried to make it look? Maybe the surgery didn't go as well as it was thought.
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Pierce never had surgery on his ankle. His injury last year was a high ankle sprain which was treated conservatively.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
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I don't even remember how Fisher received a concussion.

This offseason, the Texans have to take offensive line depth more seriously. Caserio lucked out in 2023 with guys like Fant and Jones becoming available. I remember getting into it with @TheRealJoker V2 over the lack of depth at OT. Now, the Texans are a play away from having an interior lineman (with very little experience at that) protecting the edge for CJ Stroud. How is this acceptable? The only OT on the practice squad is the international player that doesn't count against the practice squad limit.

No one can predict how Fisher's concussion will play out. Has he been concussed in the past? Even though Tunsil and Howard are not my favorite players, their health is essential to the Texans hope moving forward. This could become a major screwup.
 
Lucky said:
I don't even remember how Fisher received a concussion.

This offseason, the Texans have to take offensive line depth more seriously. Caserio lucked out in 2023 with guys like Fant and Jones becoming available. I remember getting into it with @TheRealJoker V2 over the lack of depth at OT. Now, the Texans are a play away from having an interior lineman (with very little experience at that) protecting the edge for CJ Stroud. How is this acceptable? The only OT on the practice squad is the international player that doesn't count against the practice squad limit.

No one can predict how Fisher's concussion will play out. Has he been concussed in the past? Even though Tunsil and Howard are not my favorite players, their health is essential to the Texans hope moving forward. This could become a major screwup.
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As we discussed in camp…

How many OTs do you propose to have on the roster? A second round pick was used on the swing OT. Yes, the swing OT is injured, that happens. But the starters are healthy and playing.

There are finite resources to allocate to a team. And as we have also learned, there’s more to it than just throwing money and draft picks at a position group. Look at how much better the cheap DTs are performing than the highly compensated/drafted OL as an example. Coaching matters as well and the Texans haven’t had that in the OL’s favor since Kubiak was here.
 
TheRealJoker V2 said:
How many OTs do you propose to have on the roster?
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One more than they brought in. Especially when you consider what happened in during the 2023 season and the fact that both OTs were injured throughout the offseason and didn't participate in training camp. Neither starting OT has looked good this season and not being able to get snaps in camp is likely a part of that. Fisher was OK in the preseason, but the team needed more. In their 5 previous seasons, Tunsil and Howard have only played all 17 games together once.

In a season where the offensive line has already been a flop when healthy, now it is one play away from being an unmitigated disaster. And when you're considering allocating resources, make sure you can protect the franchise QB, no matter what. Hopefully, the Texans learn their lesson going into 2025 without paying for thei mistakes in 2024.
 
Charlie Heck is sitting on the couch. I can’t remember the team he had caught on, but they cut him a few weeks back. I know…I know, but for a 4th emergency tackle, I’m ok with Heck if he is healthy. Not sure on that count.
 
For the record, my roster goes nine deep at o-line. I carry 4 tackles, 3 of which should be true tackles. The 4th guy should be tackle first but can play guard if needed. The other five are interior guys, but at least one should be a true center. Patterson doesn’t qualify. And I feel that Juice is a true center…but not a good one at this time. He is out of place at LG but it is what it is.
 
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