Not you. It's the generic you.I've quit on this team because I'm not pumping sunshine about the position group that the majority agrees is the weakest on the team?
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Not you. It's the generic you.I've quit on this team because I'm not pumping sunshine about the position group that the majority agrees is the weakest on the team?
No you. It's the generic you.
I'm speaking in generalities. Not speaking about a specific person.What's that mean?
I'm speaking in generalities. Not speaking about a specific person.
"You can go as far as your imagination takes you." No you specifically, powda. You're probably limited. I'm talking in a generic fashion.
And look how far your imagination has taken you. Quite the accomplishment. Here is your vitual Pulitzer award for outstanding achievement on a pro football fan forum.I think if you skim through the "apocalypse now" thread you'll find my imagination isn't that limited, but in a generic fashion? Ok.
And look how far your imagination has taken you. Quite the accomplishment. Here is your vitual Pulitzer award for outstanding achievement on a pro football fan forum.
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I didn't think I was criticizing the WR room. I was being pragmatic. This team has no clear WR1 going into the season. Lots of unproven potential. Identifying other factors (rookies, rookies everywhere) that are a major factor in how this group shows up this year.Hard time to be critical when the team has hit the reset button. New coach, new qb, even ownership is trying to rebrand itself. Folks want to be hopeful and anything that infringes on that will get scrutiny.
Ultimately, we all want the same thing. A SB. If a reader doesn't, I question his Fandom. I don't question yours.
Personally, I have no problem criticizing the team as long as it's pragmatic. Even now with a reset. A 20 year history illustrates one failure after another. I want to be hopeful but I have doubts. Cj wasn't high on my list ,but now that he's here, I'll root for him.
It's wait and see for me.
GotchaNot you. It's the generic you.
ESPN'S Bill Barnwell agrees with you. In fact, he says the Texans have the worst collection of offensive weapons in the league.I didn't think I was criticizing the WR room.
And these terrible collection of weapons are much better than the weapons from last year.ESPN'S Bill Barnwell agrees with you. In fact, he says the Texans have the worst collection of offensive weapons in the league.
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Texans dead last in ESPN's WR-RB-TE rankings
The Houston Texans’ collection of running backs, receivers, and tight ends wasn’t good enough to move off last place in ESPN’s latest rankings.texanswire.usatoday.com
I think Nico Collins is underrated. I think Tank Dell is going to be really hard to cover. A healthy John Metchie will be HUGE. Dameon Pierce is good and Dalton Schultz is excellent. I think the offense is going to surprise a lot of people, especially you.And these terrible collection of weapons are much better than the weapons from last year.
I hope you're right.I think Nico Collins is underrated. I think Tank Dell is going to be really hard to cover. A healthy John Metchie will be HUGE. Dameon Pierce is good and Dalton Schultz is excellent. I think the offense is going to surprise a lot of people, especially you.![]()
Yeah we have 3 potentially really good players (nico, stingley, metchie) that hopefully can get on and stay healthy while playing at a high level.I hope you're right.
I don't think that the weapons are all that bad if everybody stays healthy, which has been an issue.. I do agree that a couple of stud playmakers like Harrison or Bowers would be huge.
I can't remember his name but what do you think about the other wr from Ohio St. ?
Emeka Egbuka?I hope you're right.
I don't think that the weapons are all that bad if everybody stays healthy, which has been an issue.. I do agree that a couple of stud playmakers like Harrison or Bowers would be huge.
I can't remember his name but what do you think about the other wr from Ohio St. ?
The stats of Nico Collins in the article you presented show that Collins has been an average to maybe even slightly below average NFL WR. In this case the stats don't lie. He's been in the league for two solid seasons and has yet to have that "break out" game that would at least show some promise that he'll be better than average.I think Nico Collins is underrated. I think Tank Dell is going to be really hard to cover. A healthy John Metchie will be HUGE. Dameon Pierce is good and Dalton Schultz is excellent. I think the offense is going to surprise a lot of people, especially you.![]()
Great post!The stats of Nico Collins in the article you presented show that Collins has been an average to maybe even slightly below average NFL WR. In this case the stats don't lie. He's been in the league for two solid seasons and has yet to have that "break out" game that would at least show some promise that he'll be better than average.
According to the ESPN article you posted, the Texans collection of WR's, TE's, and RB's were last in the league last year. I don't think they've done enough this offseason for the pundits to bump them up much. That's not a slam against this front office. What the previous regime did to this team was an abomination. An opponent couldn't have damaged this team on purpose anymore than what O'Brien, Gaine and Easterby did. I don't think that's an overreaction. Consequently, this team, IMHO, is still a couple years out from respectability. Meaning, people who cover the NFL aren't going to suddenly start changing their stance on the Texans. The WR/RB/TE group has to show they can do it before people change their minds. Metchie has to be healthy AND productive. Pierce has to be productive AND healthy. Schultz average 6.5 yards per reception last year. He's solid but he's not going to be the difference maker some people think he will be. If Dell can take the physicality of the NFL, he might make it in the league as a steady contributor on offense. If not, he'll be a punt return specialist and nothing else.
I'm excited to see what they can do on offense. I'm not expecting any drastic improvements in production but I think they'll be fun to watch.
I don't thing anyone other than fans pay attention to this stuff. These guys are just trying to figure out how to make it in the league.I think all of the less-than-flattering statements about Houston's offense should be a tremendous motivator for them.
I have a wait-and-see position on Metchie, at this time. He had a recovery setback and missed OTA's. He's reportedly set to be ready by TC, but I'm having a nagging doubt he'll stay healthy.Yeah we have 3 potentially really good players (nico, stingley, metchie) that hopefully can get on and stay healthy while playing at a high level.
You're probably right but I would think the coaches would use it as motivation to help the players to be focused and to work hard to prove the doubters wrong. I'm actually a little offended by it and I've been a fan for only 2 months.I don't thing anyone other than fans pay attention to this stuff. These guys are just trying to figure out how to make it in the league.
Not me. I think he's going to be healthy and HUNGRY!I have a wait-and-see position on Metchie, at this time. He had a recovery setback and missed OTA's. He's reportedly set to be ready by TC, but I'm having a nagging doubt he'll stay healthy.
If the Texans ever get anything positive from Metchie, that's a win. He survived, and that's what's important.I have a wait-and-see position on Metchie, at this time. He had a recovery setback and missed OTA's. He's reportedly set to be ready by TC, but I'm having a nagging doubt he'll stay healthy.
Coaches are way too busy to pay attention to this stuff. Making the team, getting snaps, becoming a winner. That's what's on players minds this time of year.You're probably right but I would think the coaches would use it as motivation to help the players to be focused and to work hard to prove the doubters wrong. I'm actually a little offended by it and I've been a fan for only 2 months.
The fact he was "hungry" is likely what led to his hamstring injury. He simply pushed himself too hard too quickly. The thing is, hamstrings are easily subject to reinjury.Not me. I think he's going to be healthy and HUNGRY!
For a non-athete, recovery is 4 to 8 weeks. Metchie has easily had this. But for an athlete who puts much more stress on the body? Of course the training facilities are top notch. Metchie's style of play/route running with his sharp cuts and acceleration is really stressful. The trainer and coaching staff are just going to need to hold him back and aim for the first game and not TC. Ease him into it.Just found out his hamstring was a grade 2 partial tear/strain.
Unless I've missed it there's not been much said about him. I hope he's a stud!Don't sleep on Hutchinson
They were raving about him all throughout campUnless I've missed it there's not been much said about him. I hope he's a stud!
Thanks, yesEmeka Egbuka?
Last season was his first as a starter. He's a great talent but he made his share of mental errors on the field last season. Hopefully, he can avoid those mental errors in year 2 as a starter and have a stellar season. I've seen him projected as a top-15 draft pick in some mock drafts but I assume they're basing that on the assumption that he will continue to get better. I certainly wouldn't draft him in the first round based on last season alone.
Unless the Browns completely implode and go 2-15, there is virtually ZERO chance that the Texans will be able to snag Harrison Jr. If the Texans get to pick 16th, might Bowers be there? Maybe, but I doubt it.
You see Schultz like I do, solid NFL veteran player. Which is better than anything the Texans org has put out there since OD left Kirby, which is really sad. Schultz will really help, but he's not a difference maker.The stats of Nico Collins in the article you presented show that Collins has been an average to maybe even slightly below average NFL WR. In this case the stats don't lie. He's been in the league for two solid seasons and has yet to have that "break out" game that would at least show some promise that he'll be better than average.
According to the ESPN article you posted, the Texans collection of WR's, TE's, and RB's were last in the league last year. I don't think they've done enough this offseason for the pundits to bump them up much. That's not a slam against this front office. What the previous regime did to this team was an abomination. An opponent couldn't have damaged this team on purpose anymore than what O'Brien, Gaine and Easterby did. I don't think that's an overreaction. Consequently, this team, IMHO, is still a couple years out from respectability. Meaning, people who cover the NFL aren't going to suddenly start changing their stance on the Texans. The WR/RB/TE group has to show they can do it before people change their minds. Metchie has to be healthy AND productive. Pierce has to be productive AND healthy. Schultz average 6.5 yards per reception last year. He's solid but he's not going to be the difference maker some people think he will be. If Dell can take the physicality of the NFL, he might make it in the league as a steady contributor on offense. If not, he'll be a punt return specialist and nothing else.
I'm excited to see what they can do on offense. I'm not expecting any drastic improvements in production but I think they'll be fun to watch.
With the 6th easiest schedule in the NFL next season and all of the changes that have been made I expect 9-10 wins.Great post!
I think all of the less-than-flattering statements about Houston's offense should be a tremendous motivator for them. I do think that the talking heads are a bit remiss in not considering (apparently) how CJ Stroud is likely to make all of them better. For that matter, I think CJ is also being underrated by them.
With good health and perhaps a few friendly bounces, maybe they can win 9-10 games. I can't wait to watch this team!
Man I wish Caserio would have picked Pickens instead of Metchie and said so at the time and I like Metchie.I have a wait-and-see position on Metchie, at this time. He had a recovery setback and missed OTA's. He's reportedly set to be ready by TC, but I'm having a nagging doubt he'll stay healthy.
What? No he didn't.Schultz average 6.5 yards per reception last year.
I think Metchie's ceiling is MUCH higher IF his health permits.Man I wish Caserio would have picked Pickens instead of Metchie and said so at the time and I like Metchie.
He's one of the better tight ends in the league. He's going to help this offense a lot!You see Schultz like I do, solid NFL veteran player. Which is better than anything the Texans org has put out there since OD left Kirby, which is really sad. Schultz will really help, but he's not a difference maker.
TE's haven't been an effective part of our offense in years. I think we're all hoping/expecting Slowik's offense to change that.He's one of the better tight ends in the league. He's going to help this offense a lot!
You're right, I made a mistake. He averaged 6.5 yards in his combined targets, not receptions. He actually averaged 10.1 yards per reception.What? No he didn't.
Re-read the post.Legitimate reasoning? Where? You mean here?![]()
I just started entertaining the idea of this type of trade. To move up to the range of where Marvin Harrison, Jr is attainable, will cost at minimum 2024 RD1, RD2, and 2025 RD1. If the pieces from last 2.5 drafts begin to solidify....this could be a justifiable trade unless Nico Collins has a serious breakout season and takes the need off the table.Thanks, yes
I think Bowers goes in the 7-10 range, which is where I think the Browns pick will be. If you think Harrison is a HOF WR and I see him falling to 3-4 because of QB needy teams, if the Texans are picking say 8th and Harrison falls to 4, would you trade up to get him knowing it's going to take a 1st, 2nd and a 2025 1st to get him. I've got Harrison as a HOF type talent. Put it this way, would you do this trade for another Andre Johnson? Harrison is that talented. IMHO, I don't know if I would do this trade or not but I would think long and hard about it. Having an extra 2024 3rd might push me into saying yes to the deal. Guys look like Harrison are very rare.
I suspect that the Texans have too many other needs to trade the farm for MHJ.Thanks, yes
I think Bowers goes in the 7-10 range, which is where I think the Browns pick will be. If you think Harrison is a HOF WR and I see him falling to 3-4 because of QB needy teams, if the Texans are picking say 8th and Harrison falls to 4, would you trade up to get him knowing it's going to take a 1st, 2nd and a 2025 1st to get him. I've got Harrison as a HOF type talent. Put it this way, would you do this trade for another Andre Johnson? Harrison is that talented. IMHO, I don't know if I would do this trade or not but I would think long and hard about it. Having an extra 2024 3rd might push me into saying yes to the deal. Guys look like Harrison are very rare.
Generational players only come around every so often and wind up living up to their billing. MH, Jr could be that guy. He might be worth the investment if he has another healthy and productive season.I suspect that the Texans have too many other needs to trade the farm for MHJ.
Agreed, but if you think you're drafting a HOF guy it's worth it. IMHOI suspect that the Texans have too many other needs to trade the farm for MHJ.
That's why they traded up for Anderson. But they found a team that wanted to move down. That's not always possible. And the Texans had more draft capital to win that bidding war. That won't always be the case.Agreed, but if you think you're drafting a HOF guy it's worth it. IMHO
True they used the draft capital from the Derrick trade on WA because Hannah just had to get her marketing center piece. I'm thinking that if the QB's go 1st and 2nd and a pass rusher goes 3rd the Texans who I think will be drafting 7th or 8th will have the draft capital to move up to 4th. This excersize is more of a would you trade up or not, than the fact that a team might not be willing to trade with you.That's why they traded up for Anderson. But they found a team that wanted to move down. That's not always possible. And the Texans had more draft capital to win that bidding war. That won't always be the case.
I'm hoping that Cleveland will be awful but it's more likely that they're a playoff team.True they used the draft capital from the Derrick trade on WA because Hannah just had to get her marketing center piece. I'm thinking that if the QB's go 1st and 2nd and a pass rusher goes 3rd the Texans who I think will be drafting 7th or 8th will have the draft capital to move up to 4th. This excercize is more of a would you trade up or not you could than the fact that a team might not be willing to trade with you.
They wont be a playoff team in that division. They wont be terrible either. IMHO. I could see 7-10 or if injuries hit, maybe worse.It
I'm hoping that Cleveland will be awful but it's more likely that they're a playoff team.