I understand we’re trying to make it “Texans relevant” but if it’s “draft talk” I’m moving this thread to the college football area
I'll be sure to post any future draft threads in here. Thanks.I understand we’re trying to make it “Texans relevant” but if it’s “draft talk” I’m moving this thread to the college football area
Is it all draft talk? More roster construction.I understand we’re trying to make it “Texans relevant” but if it’s “draft talk” I’m moving this thread to the college football area
I was going based off the title. After reading I decided to merge with his other thread in TT section that seemed relatedIs it all draft talk? More roster construction.
Brock Bowers would be an amazing get!If not WR and if Dalton Schultz leaves, then we may need TE. We also might be looking for more pieces along the DL.
Marvin Jr. would be a dream! He's got Hall of Fame written all over him. For that to happen I think Cleveland has to be in the bottom two, record wise, along with Phoenix. Otherwise, Brock Bowers would also be an OUTSTANDING pick!BPA over positions.
My guys are Harrison, Bowers, Verse.
I'm thinking the qbs go 1 and 2. Harrison, Bowers and Verse go 3rd through 5th. But it's way early.Marvin Jr. would be a dream! He's got Hall of Fame written all over him. For that to happen I think Cleveland has to be in the bottom two, record wise, along with Phoenix. Otherwise, Brock Bowers would also be an OUTSTANDING pick!
Ranking units against each other seems a pointless exercise to me. So I've compared each unit to the 2022 Texans version. Result? Better, across the board. Which group will have the biggest impact? Hard to say. Not having a RB2 last year crippled game plans. Not having linemen that can hold their gaps forced DBs into making too many tackles (and tackle attempts). I don't expect to see anything more than learning to gel early in the season. I expect to see a team playing .500 ball or better in the 2nd half.Offensive line - Better. Expect improvement in the interior positions.
Tight ends - Better. Now have a proven target in the middle of the field.
Wide Receivers - Better. More upside but still have vet presence.
Running Backs - Better. Viable RB2.
Quarterbacks - Better. talent upgrade + vet presence in QB room.
Defensive line - Much better. True edge presence combined with vet run stoppers in middle.
Linebackers - Better. Upgraded vet talent level while adding young talent.
Secondary - Better. True vet leader in secondary. Expected improvement in young players.
I was looking at a mock that had Bowers going #15. Of course, the same mock predicts Houston to be abysmal and for Arizona to have the top two picks to take Caleb and Marvin. I think the writer was smoking peyote if he thinks Houston is going to be one of the worst two teams in the NFL. The more I look at the team and the coaches the more convinced I am that Houston is going to have a very solid year as in 10 wins.I'm thinking the qbs go 1 and 2. Harrison, Bowers and Verse go 3rd through 5th. But it's way early.
Having a healthy Metchie would be huge for the offense. He was a difference maker at Bama. I read that he remains "questionable" for the opener.Ranking units against each other seems a pointless exercise to me. So I've compared each unit to the 2022 Texans version. Result? Better, across the board. Which group will have the biggest impact? Hard to say. Not having a RB2 last year crippled game plans. Not having linemen that can hold their gaps forced DBs into making too many tackles (and tackle attempts). I don't expect to see anything more than learning to gel early in the season. I expect to see a team playing .500 ball or better in the 2nd half.
In that case, this whole board is pointless. Thanks again for insight.Ranking units against each other seems a pointless exercise to me. So I've compared each unit to the 2022 Texans version. Result? Better, across the board. Which group will have the biggest impact? Hard to say. Not having a RB2 last year crippled game plans. Not having linemen that can hold their gaps forced DBs into making too many tackles (and tackle attempts). I don't expect to see anything more than learning to gel early in the season. I expect to see a team playing .500 ball or better in the 2nd half.
The defense should be much better this yr, due to talent that has been added and Ryans running the defense. I see LB as the biggest weakness, but I think Ryans can coach them up. The depth at S is also a concern.OL is number one strength of team. Whether you’re breaking down the position groups by OTs or OL as a whole this is the best unit on the team. And that is good for a shiny new rookie QB.
Where do we rank ST? How much value due we put on the unit given the NFL’s further tinkering with the rules to limit the impact of ST on the game? The Texans have an elite ST unit just at the time the NFL is taking it out of the game.
Then from there it is in the eye of the beholder. Is it RBs? Or is the devaluing of the position make this group drop down the list? I’m very happy with the RB room at any rate.
Secondary and DL stick out to me as strengths of this team. Both groups have the blue chip prospect (Anderson and Stingley). Both groups have solid depth and steady veterans. I put secondary above DL due to Pitre being a stud who qualifies as a blue chipper imo. Stingley’s injury question mark is dampened by Pitre’s emergence as a playmaker. Will Anderson is the best player on the defense day one. I can go back and forth on where to rank them. But I am very happy with both groups.
The other positions depend a lot on projection. LB should be a strength given DeMeco’s track record developing players at the position. If Perryman is healthy they have an elite run stopper at MLB and the sky is the limit with Christian Harris’ athleticism. They should be able to unearth a gem whether its Littleton having a year like he did when he was an all pro under son of Bum… or To’o To’o outplaying his draft status like Fred Warner (3rd), Dre Greenlaw (5th) and Al-Shaiir (UDFA) all did under DeMeco.
TE should be a strength with a top 10 TE in Schultz but the unit lacks depth. If Schultz goes down its the biggest weakness on the team.
WR has a bunch of question marks. Can Nico stay healthy? Can Woods turn back the clock and prove he’s still the player he was with the Rams? Can Metchie make a full recovery? Will Dell be able to produce despite his size in the NFL? I’d sure like a few of those questions to be answered with a resounding YES!
Then there is QB…
Let's hope Stingley can be the guy he's supposed to be.The defense should be much better this yr, due to talent that has been added and Ryans running the defense. I see LB as the biggest weakness, but I think Ryans can coach them up. The depth at S is also a concern.
They're not exactly football savantsThe local Houston guys aren't confident in the receivers group.
They never mentioned that a new OC with good schemes might improve WR production.They're not exactly football savants
They might be wrong. There are other teams with similar barriers in their passing game. The fact of the matter is, this is not a strong unit for the Texans. And they're going to have either Mills or a rookie trying to get them the ball. We know what Mills is and many rookie quarterbacks struggle in their first year.PFF ranked Houston's receiving unit as the worst in the league. I think they're going to be wrong.
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2023 NFL receiving corps rankings: Cincinnati Bengals take the top spot for the second year in a row | NFL News, Rankings and Statistics | PFF
The Cincinnati Bengals' receiving corps of Ja'Marr Chase, Tee Higgins and Tyler Boyd takes the top spot in these wide receiver unit rankings ahead of the 2022 NFL season.www.pff.com
I think ranking the Texans as the least accomplished WR group in the league might be fair. Other than Robert Woods, who has seen his better days, which Texans WR has put up big numbers? Or in some cases, any numbers. A site like PFF uses numbers to create their analysis. This should not be a surprise to anyone, honestly.PFF ranked Houston's receiving unit as the worst in the league. I think they're going to be wrong.
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2023 NFL receiving corps rankings: Cincinnati Bengals take the top spot for the second year in a row | NFL News, Rankings and Statistics | PFF
The Cincinnati Bengals' receiving corps of Ja'Marr Chase, Tee Higgins and Tyler Boyd takes the top spot in these wide receiver unit rankings ahead of the 2022 NFL season.www.pff.com
It all goes back to the pointlessness of rankings. Does there really need to be a worst? Like the Texans receivers are worse than the Titans who are worse than the Giants. It only makes sense for fantasy purposes, and even then it's about individual players. Not teams.Are they one of the - if not THE - weakest position group on the team? Yep. Worst WR group in the league? Need to see something from them before I could rationally argue the point. They are until they're not.
Stats are for losers:PFF ranked Houston's receiving unit as the worst in the league. I think they're going to be wrong.
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2023 NFL receiving corps rankings: Cincinnati Bengals take the top spot for the second year in a row | NFL News, Rankings and Statistics | PFF
The Cincinnati Bengals' receiving corps of Ja'Marr Chase, Tee Higgins and Tyler Boyd takes the top spot in these wide receiver unit rankings ahead of the 2022 NFL season.www.pff.com
If the offense Slowik is installing is based on the Shanahan system, it's not the WCO. There was an article posted somewhere on here that clearly pointed out the differences. It's a very good read. Basically said the Shanahan system used PA and the run game to set up explosive plays down the field, as opposed to the WCO using PA and short/intermediate passes as an extension of the run game. I'll see if I can find it.I'll agree with saying it's a guess, but I think it's more descriptive to say this team has to prove themselves. My belief is that we have the talent on the offensive side of the ball to be a top 10 offense.
But I'll disagree with rating our WRs so poorly. For our offense, which will be built around the short to intermediate passing game, then run/yards after the catch, we are deep and talented at the position. TE has the least depth, but our #1 starter is one of the best. This group just has to prove themselves.
Our offense will rely on a strong run game, and we have a strong two man rotation and we drafted some depth. I'm not so sure about the H-back/FB position. Again, this group just has to prove themselves.
The effectiveness of both the pass game and the run game will be dependant on the OL and it sure looks like we put together an improved starting 5. But I also believe the OL still has more question marks. Green at LG has to be healthy, but if he is, I'm confident we will have solid production at the position. I like the veteran upgrade, Shaq Mason, at RG; and we're solid at RT and pro bowl talented at LT. The Center position is still the most questionable but Michael Deiter should be a veteran improvement. Juice Scruggs is a rookie.
The OL just has to prove themselves.
Quarterback. For the offense we believe Slowik will be installing, I believe we have 3 QBs who can effectively run it. I'm higher on Mills than the naysayers, and I'm expecting him to rebound. Stroud should be the starter game one and Keenum brings a veteran presence to the position.
My ranking for the offense? WR, OL, RB, QB, TE, FB.
Defense? I'll leave this unit to others.
Yes, I remember that read. Except, this year at least, our receivers better fit the short/ intermediate game. Dell in particular. And if he can come back, Metchie. Mills is very accurate with his deep ball and, reportedly, so is Stroud. So I agree we'll be taking our shots downfield. We'll see how it averages out, but I like the potential of our offensive unit. We could be very, very good if the pieces all fall into place and we stay clear of major injury. Green missed OTAs and that is a concern. And Metchie coming back too soon and reinjuring is a concern. But I'm optimistic.If the offense Slowik is installing is based on the Shanahan system, it's not the WCO. There was an article posted somewhere on here that clearly pointed out the differences. It's a very good read. Basically said the Shanahan system used PA and the run game to set up explosive plays down the field, as opposed to the WCO using PA and short/intermediate passes as an extension of the run game. I'll see if I can find it.
Grant Cohn: Defining Kyle Shanahan's offense (pressdemocrat.com)
I'm pretty sure the WCO used PA to setup explosive plays down the field, too.Basically said the Shanahan system used PA and the run game to set up explosive plays down the field, as opposed to the WCO using PA and short/intermediate passes as an extension of the run game. I'll see if I can find it.
Lots of YAC in that video too.I'm pretty sure the WCO used PA to setup explosive plays down the field, too.
Do you think there’s lots of YAC in Shanahan’s current Niners offense, with Deebo and Kittle? Do they stretch the field more vertically or horizontally in San Francisco? Does the description in the article of Shanahan’s offense really make sense?Lots of YAC in that video too.
Yes, the description in the article does make sense to me. San Fran was my 2nd favorite team in the 80's and 90's, so I watched them as often as I could.Do you think there’s lots of YAC in Shanahan’s current Niners offense, with Deebo and Kittle? Do they stretch the field more vertically or horizontally in San Francisco? Does the description in the article of Shanahan’s offense really make sense?
Collins seems like a capable X. Gotta few capable guys at X and at least two very good slot's, if Metchie is good to go.Yes, I remember that read. Except, this year at least, our receivers better fit the short/ intermediate game. Dell in particular. And if he can come back, Metchie. Mills is very accurate with his deep ball and, reportedly, so is Stroud. So I agree we'll be taking our shots downfield. We'll see how it averages out, but I like the potential of our offensive unit. We could be very, very good if the pieces all fall into place and we stay clear of major injury. Green missed OTAs and that is a concern. And Metchie coming back too soon and reinjuring is a concern. But I'm optimistic.
And to think that they should be much better than they were last season.Are they one of the - if not THE - weakest position group on the team? Yep. Worst WR group in the league? Need to see something from them before I could rationally argue the point. They are until they're not.
Debatable. For all of his drama, we don't have the talent of a Cooks in that WR room anymore. We are relying on an old vet that has had a few good seasons, a guy who hasn't been able to stay healthy and three guys that have never played a down in the NFL.And to think that they should be much better than they were last season.
The theory being CJ Stroud makes them better. We shall see. We have yet to see Slowhickies offense.Debatable. For all of his drama, we don't have the talent of a Cooks in that WR room anymore. We are relying on an old vet that has had a few good seasons, a guy who hasn't been able to stay healthy and three guys that have never played a down in the NFL.
They are still the weakest position on the team. Not ready to believe that they are the worst in the league doesn't change that.
Brandin Cooks played in 13 games caught 57 passes for 699 yards.Debatable. For all of his drama, we don't have the talent of a Cooks in that WR room anymore. We are relying on an old vet that has had a few good seasons, a guy who hasn't been able to stay healthy and three guys that have never played a down in the NFL.
They are still the weakest position on the team. Not ready to believe that they are the worst in the league doesn't change that.
Cooks quit on his teamDebatable. For all of his drama, we don't have the talent of a Cooks in that WR room anymore. We are relying on an old vet that has had a few good seasons, a guy who hasn't been able to stay healthy and three guys that have never played a down in the NFL.
They are still the weakest position on the team. Not ready to believe that they are the worst in the league doesn't change that.
Brandin Cooks played in 13 games caught 57 passes for 699 yards.
Y'all are talking production. In a singular year that as stated had a lot of drama initiated by Cooks as a means to leave the team.Cooks quit on his team
Talent doesn't mean squat when you're a quitter.Y'all are talking production. In a singular year that as stated had a lot of drama initiated by Cooks as a means to leave the team.
What talent in this current WR room has got six 1,000 yard seasons to their resume?
Is there potential for one of the young guys to do that? Sure. They gotta do it first though. Even once.
Yes. Because that is what the team had to work with. That's who he was last season. Comparing this team on paper to last year's production we're looking at a better team.Y'all are talking production
Exactly. Because of whatever was going on in his head, he was not the talent we expected or hoped for.Talent doesn't mean squat when you're a quitter.
Just because Cooks had 6 1000 yard seasons doesn't mean he has another one in him. Cooks will turn 30 this season. How many age 30 WRs had a 1000 yards last year? One, Tyler Lockett. I don't think Cooks will be missed all that much.What talent in this current WR room has got six 1,000 yard seasons to their resume?
I'm not calling the WR room trash. I am saying it has a whole lot more POTENTIAL than actual PRODUCTION at the NFL level. There is a lot of confidence that the olds, the castoffs, the oft-injured and the rookies, all playing with a rookie QB and for a rookie HC/OC are going to be so much better than last year. Not sure where that confidence comes from.Just because Cooks had 6 1000 yard seasons doesn't mean he has another one in him. Cooks will turn 30 this season. How many age 30 WRs had a 1000 yards last year? One, Tyler Lockett. I don't think Cooks will be missed all that much.
I’m honestly not seeing that. Can’t think of one person who said anything like that without a bunch of “ifs” in the statementI'm not calling the WR room trash. I am saying it has a whole lot more POTENTIAL than actual PRODUCTION at the NFL level. There is a lot of confidence that the olds, the castoffs, the oft-injured and the rookies, all playing with a rookie QB and for a rookie HC/OC are going to be so much better than last year. Not sure where that confidence comes from.
Like someone said once, may have even been you: they are a bust until they aren't.
Oh I've said that on numerous occasions, mostly about Stingley.Like someone said once, may have even been you: they are a bust until they aren't.
I need to make sure to give the proper attribution!Oh I've said that on numerous occasions, mostly about Stingley.![]()
Maybe it's optimism rather than confidence? Last year it was JAGs throwing to JAGs for the most part. This year we're hoping to see the Texans building something substantial. New staff, new QB, some new receivers. You probably have already quit on the team if you're not more excited.There is a lot of confidence that the olds, the castoffs, the oft-injured and the rookies, all playing with a rookie QB and for a rookie HC/OC are going to be so much better than last year. Not sure where that confidence comes from.
I've quit on this team because I'm not pumping sunshine about the position group that the majority agrees is the weakest on the team?Maybe it's optimism rather than confidence? Last year it was JAGs throwing to JAGs for the most part. This year we're hoping to see the Texans building something substantial. New staff, new QB, some new receivers. You probably have already quit on the team if you're not more excited.
Don't you know that if you aren't in on everything the Texans do, then you aren't a fan?I've quit on this team because I'm not pumping sunshine about the position group that the majority agrees is the weakest on the team?
Let me know when my fandom meets your level of approval. I may not sleep well until then.
I've quit on this team because I'm not pumping sunshine about the position group that the majority agrees is the weakest on the team?
Let me know when my fandom meets your level of approval. I may not sleep well until then.