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How will Carr have to prove himself to Houston?

Hulk75 said:
I have nothing to base it on, is Dom still here and Palmer, Gaffney, Wells, Matt Murphy, is Pendry still calling the plays, do we still have the sorry line coach, is Bradford still here. Are you kidding me.

Dont start talking crazy, I have no base yea your right, ALL those guys last year that we had are better then the guys we have now.
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I didn't say that...I merely said carr has proven nothing and he hasn't. You can choose to assign the blame for Carr's failure's wherever you please...i pick carr.
 
swtbound07 said:
You have absolutely nothing to base that on besides faith.
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Well faith maybe and
A revamped OL-and OL guru coaches
Upgraded WR's
Upgraded TE's
New offensive philosophy/system

Really doesn't seem like much of a faith thing IMO. In the same fashion it wouldn't be faith IMO to predict Vince Young having a better season if he had gone to Pittsburgh vs. the Titans--it is just a better situation to develop and play in. Would Big Ben have had anywhere near the success if he had been drafted higher as he hoped, say to Arizona, Cleveland or Detriot?--doesn't seem likely. Recognizing that the team around any player effects that player as well is not an excuse for them or blame--it is simple reality--Carr has to be part of the improvement as well.
 
swtbound07 said:
I didn't say that...I merely said carr has proven nothing and he hasn't. You can choose to assign the blame for Carr's failure's wherever you please...i pick carr.
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You want to go back and fourth with me on this.................Ask me a question you have about this guy, an acctual event or a play that happened I will gladly break it down for you so you can watch games with a clue this year.

Blame "NO", Facts Yes and you cant argue with facts.
 
O.K. here we go. DC in my eyes has never had a chance to play behind and solid O-line in his four years as a pro. Players changing position every two or three games or riding pine because you made the defence minded coach mad,give me a break. Kub isnow in charge. DC WILL learn from him. I'm look at one of mini F.B. mags and did any of you relize DC had the most rushing yards for a QB in the AFC only Vick had more.I read some were capers held carr back from running when things broke down and Kub has just the opp. approach telling carr to tuck the ball and run if he can pickup some yardage.Given this with the new line, new off. new coach,DD and AS in the back field, AJ and EM on the sides where does a defence defend? I look for DC to good have year, and prove all VY fans were wrong. Keep in mind Kub. is a ball control type coach who likes his Offence on the field. DC will make mistakes its a given,new system he will have growing pains but he now has some gifted players in front,behind and beside him.Look at plummers #s in Den. 90.2 QB. rating I think DC can pick his #s up to this.Man this off season is way to long. Texans Football I Can't Wait
 
He could start by not running out of bounds 5 yards behind the line of scrimmage every time he gets a little pressure on him. :brickwall :brickwall I was a HUGE Carr fan until last year. He really took a step back last year. Personally, I think he needs to spend time at the stadium watching film and quit worrying about running home to the wife and kids. I'm afraid that he has become another Jim Everett. He seems to run from pressure that isn't always there. He just needs to settle down and run the offense. Who know, if Kubiak turned around Jake the Snake, maybe there's still hope.
 
dwilt72 said:
...Personally, I think he needs to spend time at the stadium watching film and quit worrying about running home to the wife and kids.
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It took 3 pages before someone played the "Carr spends too much time with his family" card? You guys are losing your touch. What we need here is a Carr-bashing mini-camp.
 
dwilt72 said:
He could start by not running out of bounds 5 yards behind the line of scrimmage every time he gets a little pressure on him. :brickwall :brickwall I was a HUGE Carr fan until last year. He really took a step back last year. Personally, I think he needs to spend time at the stadium watching film and quit worrying about running home to the wife and kids. I'm afraid that he has become another Jim Everett. He seems to run from pressure that isn't always there. He just needs to settle down and run the offense. Who know, if Kubiak turned around Jake the Snake, maybe there's still hope.
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The thing with jake though is that he showed over his career prior to Kubiak an ability to take the game on his shoulders late in the game and pull out wins regardless of playing for a lousy team or not.

Carr needs to start by first just being a good manager of the game. Defenses will keep coming hard after him as long as he doesn't make them pay for it. Rewarding defenses with sacks when he could have thrown the ball out of bounds or ran for a gain makes the next team even sack happier
He's a veteran QB, he needs to act like it. Stop with the hair stuff and put the time in. I don't think he needs to go to the pro bowl next year but he does need to look like he could some day. Fix the real obvious correctable things, you know the things that even the cheerleaders or your wife knows he does wrong, and he's a decent QB.

Winning cures all though, if they win all will be well.
 
Dwilt72, you have lost all reason, I agree with Lucky. But then again, you are a Vince Young lover, so it should be expected. Run home to his wife and kids, and do his hair? You must not have enough to do. You sound like someone in elementary school. Not trying to be rude, but that is way old and out of touch.
 
dwilt72 said:
He could start by not running out of bounds 5 yards behind the line of scrimmage every time he gets a little pressure on him..
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That is a flat out lie, praveracation, exageration what ever you want, but it isn't true. Not saying he NEVER ran out 5 yards short of scrimmage, but 1-2 yards was the norm and even then it would only be 2-3 times a game and not every game either. Given that, the most he gave up would be about 10 yards a game. Naturally, you didn't mention the over 300 yards of positive yardage that he got running. Based on your thought process if DD ever gets stop behind the line, he would be a piece of dog do. All you are doing is parroting a bunch of whohah from some folks who are trying to make a mountain out of what is only a molehill. If he were turning around every other play and running towards the other goal line, then that is a problem. Taking off and trying to make a play out of nothing and running out of bounds a yard or two short from scrimmage, is a minimal issue. Should he chuck the ball and save the yardage, yes, but don't make it like it's a total freaking disaster, because it isn't.
 
The all time leader in loss yardage is - Barry Sanders, look it up, so do not mention that again. DC is always fighting to make a play. As for the lost touch with the game line, the only good team outting was the one with DC calling the plays. For 2006 I believe in our coaching staff, and that is what will make this team a winner.

Texans winners at last.
 
Lucky said:
It took 3 pages before someone played the "Carr spends too much time with his family" card? You guys are losing your touch. What we need here is a Carr-bashing mini-camp.
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No doubt. That was two pages too long! Now if we could just harp on his hairstyle and his dad being at practice, we'd have a perfect trifecta! :francis:
 
infantrycak said:
Watching film shows Carr's head moving to look at multiple targets on many to most passing plays.
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If you've ever played Madden, you'd know that is impossible. Carr's cone of vision is too small to see multiple receivers. On the other hand, Tom Brady can see the entire field. Because he gets better pass protection? Of course not. It's his cone of vision.

The prosecution rests.
 
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Lucky said:
If you've ever played Madden, you'd know that is impossible. Carr's cone of vision is too small to see multiple receivers. On the other hand, Tom Brady can see the entire field. Because he gets better pass protection? Of course not. It's his cone of vision.

The prosecution rests.
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Now that's funny, I don't care who you are.

Must have missed that--don't play video games.
 
hollywood_texan said:
With all the Carr talk,

IS THERE A BULLDOG IN THE HOUSE?
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FSUBulldog said:
Woof, woof, woof, woof.... :ok:

(And I tried in my earlier post to deflect the "homer" moniker... Go figure)
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Cool. I was beginning to wonder if there were any real bulldogs out here...

Trying to ligthen this thing up a bit.
 
Double Barrel said:
No doubt. That was two pages too long! Now if we could just harp on his hairstyle and his dad being at practice, we'd have a perfect trifecta! :francis:
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You missed it:

Stop with the hair stuff and put the time in.
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Even Kubiak can't slay the time dragon:

Nobody’s worked harder. He’s been out here every day, but he always has been, so I didn’t expect any different.
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But what else would he say?
 
hollywood_texan said:
Cool. I was beginning to wonder if there were any real bulldogs out here...
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Vinny said:
our forum is full of them. More than you would think.
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Then where are all the other woofs at? Maybe they are laying low? Who knows?

I was hoping to see a page or two of them on this thread. That would have been hilarious.

We really need to lighten up on the Carr talk. Give his alma mater a plug!

Let me hear some Bulldogs in the house!
 
hollywood_texan said:
Then where are all the other woofs at? Maybe they are laying low? Who knows?
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Most of them are the Pro-Carr posters if you want a hint. I talk to tons of you guys in PMs...and I see everyone's IP.
 
edo783 said:
That is a flat out lie, praveracation, exageration what ever you want, but it isn't true. Not saying he NEVER ran out 5 yards short of scrimmage, but 1-2 yards was the norm and even then it would only be 2-3 times a game and not every game either. Given that, the most he gave up would be about 10 yards a game. Naturally, you didn't mention the over 300 yards of positive yardage that he got running. Based on your thought process if DD ever gets stop behind the line, he would be a piece of dog do. All you are doing is parroting a bunch of whohah from some folks who are trying to make a mountain out of what is only a molehill. If he were turning around every other play and running towards the other goal line, then that is a problem. Taking off and trying to make a play out of nothing and running out of bounds a yard or two short from scrimmage, is a minimal issue. Should he chuck the ball and save the yardage, yes, but don't make it like it's a total freaking disaster, because it isn't.
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When your offense has a hard time gaining 10 yards in 3 downs, losing 2, 3, 5, 10..WHATEVER! I don't think the amount of yards matters, it's the fact that if you throw the ball away you don't LOSE YARDS! Why do you think they have that rule? If you can't even master throwing the ball away, then you really shouldn't be a starting QB in the league. I'm not parroting, it's been an issue with me since game 1 year 1. You expect it from a rookie, but by your 4th year, you should be progressing.
 
Here is a great quote on Steve McNair needing to learn the pass protection schemes played by the Ravens.


"A confused quarterback is usually confronted with a barrage of blitzes. If he's confused about protections, that's when he's going to get whacked," Fassel said.


I think this illustrates that if a QB gets sacked, it doesn't mean it is the offensive line's fault.

I know I am trying to lighten up this thread a little, but it seemed right on point.

The entire offense has to improve and everyone played poorly last year, probably with the exception of Domanick Davis when he was healthy.
 
I am going to sign in right here: "on vision cone"

If a player's head is moving around too much and the QB looks at the field too much, this is seen as a weakness by some coaches. ( and players )

The reason being is that the player may have under-developed mental mapping skills, not enough practice, new plays, etc. A well developed QB's head does not always move. He has command of the play and the defense, so he uses his head to direct the play, for example looking off 'looking off coverage' and hitting empty space for YAC passes.

Montana, Fouts, Namath, Warner all talked about this skill at some point. ( I think Manning has too, but I don't remember )

This doesn't mean every quarterback is the same, it just means you have one more thing to think about when you are are looking at Dave play QB.

IF his head 'isn't' moving, it does 'not' mean he is 'not' seeing the entire play. A finely tuned QB in a play working out exactly the way he planned, does not need to look with his eyes to see what is going on. He already knows.

IF his head is moving, it can mean that there are problems in a play. Something didn't happen the way it was planned, so he has to start to look and see what is going on. This can be caused by a myriad of things and not just the QB; line breaking down, wrong routes, slow routes, game planning and preparation failed, etc.

here's a clip from NFL.com

"It's mind boggling right now," said McNair, who signed a five-year contract. "I think the verbiage is the most important thing right now. Once I can feel comfortable and visualize the formation and the routes that they're running, things will be OK." But, he added, "It's like starting all over again."
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Here Steve is talking about "visualize" the formation and routes. This does not mean looking at the routes. This means he knows where everyone is at, at any given time so that he doesn't "have" to look.

A three-time Pro Bowl selection, McNair often appeared hesitant. He completed his first pass in team drills to tight end Todd Heap, but struggled at hitting receivers in stride. One late, errant pass was nearly intercepted, but defensive back Robb Butler dropped the football.
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Inability to visualize or create the mental map, makes hitting open space for YAC passes that much harder.

"A confused quarterback is usually confronted with a barrage of blitzes. If he's confused about protections, that's when he's going to get whacked," Fassel said.
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So if a DC sees Dave's head moving around too much, he might be inclined to let slip the zone-dog-blitz and cry "sack him".
 
edo783 said:
That is a flat out lie, praveracation, exageration what ever you want, but it isn't true. Not saying he NEVER ran out 5 yards short of scrimmage, but 1-2 yards was the norm and even then it would only be 2-3 times a game and not every game either. Given that, the most he gave up would be about 10 yards a game. Naturally, you didn't mention the over 300 yards of positive yardage that he got running. Based on your thought process if DD ever gets stop behind the line, he would be a piece of dog do. All you are doing is parroting a bunch of whohah from some folks who are trying to make a mountain out of what is only a molehill. If he were turning around every other play and running towards the other goal line, then that is a problem. Taking off and trying to make a play out of nothing and running out of bounds a yard or two short from scrimmage, is a minimal issue. Should he chuck the ball and save the yardage, yes, but don't make it like it's a total freaking disaster, because it isn't.
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Thank You people act like the guy did it all the time.
 
Lucky said:
If you've ever played Madden, you'd know that is impossible. Carr's cone of vision is too small to see multiple receivers. On the other hand, Tom Brady can see the entire field. Because he gets better pass protection? Of course not. It's his cone of vision.

The prosecution rests.
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O good real life.
 
dwilt72 said:
Personally, I think he needs to spend time at the stadium watching film and quit worrying about running home to the wife and kids.
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Apparently you've missed the statements and press about how much work DC has put in this year under Kubiak and the previous years.

It's pretty low to knock a guy for wanting to spend his time off with his family.

Maybe he should be out riding a motorcylce without a helmet or license?
 
NFLforher said:
Apparently you've missed the statements and press about how much work DC has put in this year under Kubiak and the previous years.

It's pretty low to knock a guy for wanting to spend his time off with his family.

Maybe he should be out riding a motorcylce without a helmet or license?
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Bah he can spend time with his wife and family after he retires. He can even do it without wearing his helmet. LOL

:heh:
 
I am looking for Dave to have stats like he had in 2004 at least , if not better

as far as if he made the probowl.. that would mean the Texans went to the playoffs adn that would be exciting .. (brady,manning,rothlesberger(spelling?),Cullpepper, etc etc QB's that get noted for the popularity contest)


I for one think the Texans are going to suprise alot of people this season, sad thing is anything that Vince does and Carr doesn't.. trolls will be banging on the keyboard all season.. and if that isn't enough anything Mario doesn't do and Bush does..same thing... I may need a start memorizing where to put people on ignore now LOL

should be a fun season
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Wolf said:
I am looking for Dave to have stats like he had in 2004 at least , if not better

as far as if he made the probowl.. that would mean the Texans went to the playoffs adn that would be exciting .. (brady,manning,rothlesberger(spelling?),Cullpepper, etc etc QB's that get noted for the popularity contest)


I for one think the Texans are going to suprise alot of people this season, sad thing is anything that Vince does and Carr doesn't.. trolls will be banging on the keyboard all season.. and if that isn't enough anything Mario doesn't do and Bush does..same thing... I may need a start memorizing where to put people on ignore now LOL

should be a fun season
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I was going to say all we have to do is win the SB and they will all shut up. But you know what, I bet they would still find some reason.
 
Yeah, it's not a bad thing since most of the College fans who follow their players are good folks who are just supporting the guys they believe in. I may disagree on some things but following your local players around is part of the fun of the NFL as you watch them grow. I can admire backing up your people. Heck I notice a ton more Bama IP originations this year and I think we will see more tide to follow.
 
Vinny said:
Yeah, it's not a bad thing since most of the College fans who follow their players are good folks who are just supporting the guys they believe in. I may disagree on some things but following your local players around is part of the fun of the NFL as you watch them grow. I can admire backing up your people. Heck I notice a ton more Bama IP originations this year and I think we will see more tide to follow.
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Amen. It is what orginally brought me to the Texans and to this board. The well-crafted opinions of most that dwell here is what keeps me coming back on a daily basis...
 
FSUBulldog said:
Amen. It is what orginally brought me to the Texans and to this board. The well-crafted opinions of most that dwell here is what keeps me coming back on a daily basis...
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And for me, its the complimentary breakfast.
 
Lucky said:
If you've ever played Madden, you'd know that is impossible. Carr's cone of vision is too small to see multiple receivers. On the other hand, Tom Brady can see the entire field. Because he gets better pass protection? Of course not. It's his cone of vision.

The prosecution rests.
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:gathering:

That's GREAT! HAHAHA.
 
xtruroyaltyx said:
Watch many Texan Games ?
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Carr has been sacked over 200 times in 4years, sooner or later it will catch up with him.
In this new offense the QB and receivers have to work as one unit. If the starting QB who has taken most of the snaps while learning this new system goes down the first year it can have a dramatic effect on the offense.
Yes, I do watch many games, missed only 1 home regular season game in team history.
 
Let me start by saying that I was one of the "Draft VY" guys. Having gotten that out of the way, all that counts is winning. I've been a Chicago Bears fan for over 20 years and we havent had a QB worth mentioning since 85'. Coincidentally, thats when we last won a SB.

When Cowboy Kyle Orton started winning games, did I care that he was a third stringer posing as a starter? Nope. I dont care if you throw 5 picks a game as long as you do enough to win ballgames. Texans fans will feel the same way.

Now once the team starts winning, of course fans will start looking at the big prize, but it first starts with winning. DC hasn't ever been a "good" QB to me but when the Texans were competitive, he got alot more leeway from the fans and all of this grumbling wasnt going on. Last year the Texans were far from competitive and he's just taking the brunt of the criticism. The constant in every season has been that the line has pretty much been garbage. If the Texans start to win, he'll be selling couches for Mattress Mac and cars for Ray Childress.

If the Texans dont win, he'd have to pretty much break passing records for fans to get off of his back. And thats as it should be. Quarterbacks get the credit for winning and the blame for losing. Watch how long a subpar QB like Kyle Orton lasts in the NFL off of just being able to win 10 games. Look at Q. Carter. He's still around. Conversely look at Tony Banks.
 
dwilt72 said:
When your offense has a hard time gaining 10 yards in 3 downs, losing 2, 3, 5, 10..WHATEVER! I don't think the amount of yards matters, it's the fact that if you throw the ball away you don't LOSE YARDS! Why do you think they have that rule? If you can't even master throwing the ball away, then you really shouldn't be a starting QB in the league. I'm not parroting, it's been an issue with me since game 1 year 1. You expect it from a rookie, but by your 4th year, you should be progressing.
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Considering the way our team played last year. I don't think it mattered whether he took a sack or ran out of bounds. They weren't going to score.....
 
I am really looking forward to seeing how Kubiak has worked with David. I'm so excited when I think about how much potential Carr has. The biggest problems he has had to overcome so far have been a short-sighted Capers offense, a lousy O-line and having to be a starter his rookie year. Those things could kill any young talent.... but we will see how well a former QB coach can improve our young franchise player.
 
jake plummer ...

02 AZ - 53.6% comp, 5.6 avg, 18TD, 20INT, 65.7 ratio
03 DEN - 62.6% comp, 7.2 avg, 15TD, 7INT, 91.2 ratio

david carr

05 HOU - 60.5% comp, 5.9 avg, 14TD, 11INT, 77.2 ratio
06 ... if it's even remotely the change that plummer made, carr makes the probowl. if it's the slightest improvement and he's a fantasy starter. just remember, kubiak wont be throwing the "andre screen", or "max protect on 3rd down", or 1.5 seconds and throw ... and with the most refined run blocking scheme in football carr should have legit time to throw. if carr can do so well with peanuts and the worst blocking in NFL history, he's going to be THE stud when given caviar.
 
When our D control the game(especially our Dline), our O can wear down opponent's D and Carr and our O will look very sweet this year IMO.:drool:
 
If that's what Kubiak thinks, then that's awesome. I'm gonna co-sign w/ Hutch, though on Bennie Joppru. He seems to have recouped well enough to have survived OTAs - big step from previous seasons.

I'm just excited to see what this offense is going to do this season. And based on the comparison stats, Carr could be a beast in the upcoming future for some yrs to come should Kubiak's coaching rub off on Carr.
 
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