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How will Carr have to prove himself to Houston?

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Our offseason has been revolving around fixing our team,getting pieces to the 4-3 defense,and giving Carr the weapons he needs to suceed.

.We got Kevin Walter for a seventh round pick, not exaclty an upgrade from last year but still good.

.We got a veteran receiver in Eric Moulds who take the heat of AJ

.We've fixed our offensive line by getting a great center in Mike Flangan,moving McKinney to Guard where he belongs,we've picked up Eric Winston and Charles Spencer.

. And We got the perfect coach to get him over the hump with Gary Kubiak.

Now that he has all the weapons how will he have to prove himself so we can know that made the right move in picking up his option over Drafting Vince Young

Here is what he has to do in my mind:

He will have to make fewer mistakes, give the city something to be excited about like passing the game-winning touchdown at the end of regulation, or he will have to get us back from like 14 down or somthing, but the most important thing is he will have to lead us to the playoffs in 2 years, the city has been waiting for something to cheer about, he has 4 years of experience and the city is getting impatient.

What do you guys think?
 
He has a year in my book..i didnt want to give it to him, but we've been given no choice. He needs to stop sacking himself, he needs to buy himself time in the pocket, and he needs to stop locking onto recievers and making bad decisions with the football.
 
We should start to see SOME improvement by the middle of the season, but I am giving him this full season and maybe the first half of next season to see a big improvement, and that is due to the new coaches and players. Not only that but Kubiak seems to be giving the team as a whole a clean slate to start with.
 
I think he just has to win...If Carr is just a mediocre QB, but wins...people won't be calling for his head
 
Carr2Johnson said:
Our offseason has been revolving around fixing our team,getting pieces to the 4-3 defense,and giving Carr the weapons he needs to suceed.

.We got Kevin Walter for a seventh round pick, not exaclty an upgrade from last year but still good.

.We got a veteran receiver in Eric Moulds who take the heat of AJ

.We've fixed our offensive line by getting a great center in Mike Flangan,moving McKinney to Guard where he belongs,we've picked up Eric Winston and Charles Spencer.

. And We got the perfect coach to get him over the hump with Gary Kubiak.

Now that he has all the weapons how will he have to prove himself so we can know that made the right move in picking up his option over Drafting Vince Young

Here is what he has to do in my mind:

He will have to make fewer mistakes, give the city something to be excited about like passing the game-winning touchdown at the end of regulation, or he will have to get us back from like 14 down or somthing, but the most important thing is he will have to lead us to the playoffs in 2 years, the city has been waiting for something to cheer about, he has 4 years of experience and the city is getting impatient.

What do you guys think?
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Before stating my position, here's a list of qualifying statements regarding Carr:

1) It's well-documented that Carr has received little support on the offensive line and in the skill positions during his first four years in the league. This has hampered his growth as well as his confidence level to-date.

2) Given statement #1, he performance has fluctuated between "really good" and "mediocre" during this period. The Ram game last year ("really good") vs. the repeated times he's run out of bounds behind the line of scrimmage.

3) He's a physically tough individual who has shown an amazing chin given the number of times he has been leveled in his career.

4) I'm a Fresno State alum who has watched him since his first start in college and every game of his Texans career. While I have a normal bias towards wanting to see him succeed, I can remain objective regarding a player from my hometown. ("No, Trent Dilfer was never a star QB, even in college" and "No, Billy Volek doesn't have more upside than Vince Young")

All that said, I fail to see how anything short of a playoff and a Pro Bowl appearance by DC this year will calm the rumbling about him as the Texans starting QB. Maybe there is a large undercurrent of fans who really support him, but based on my readings, they are generally not on this board. If he does lead the Texans to the playoffs and earns a PB spot, he would be "tolerated", not "accepted" by the Houston faithful.

I'm just not sure he can realistically live up to the expectations of the masses at this point. While I hate to say this, the more I read the more I realize that a change of scenery might be the most fair thing for DC at this point in his career. Maybe I'm wrong, maybe I've just been reading this MB too much this offseason, and maybe the voices I keep hearing are the vocal minority, but when I look at what it will take for DC to be accepted here, I wonder if the expectation is at all realistic given the past four years of mediocracy that has surrounded this team and city.
 
Overall, the bar is pretty low for Big Dave. If he looks good with his shirt off that will be enough for a lot of people. If he can look like an actual NFL QB for more than a few plays at a time, and win games, that will be good enough for me.
 
FSUBulldog said:
Before stating my position, here's a list of qualifying statements regarding Carr:

1) It's well-documented that Carr has received little support on the offensive line and in the skill positions during his first four years in the league. This has hampered his growth as well as his confidence level to-date.

2) Given statement #1, he performance has fluctuated between "really good" and "mediocre" during this period. The Ram game last year ("really good") vs. the repeated times he's run out of bounds behind the line of scrimmage.

3) He's a physically tough individual who has shown an amazing chin given the number of times he has been leveled in his career.

4) I'm a Fresno State alum who has watched him since his first start in college and every game of his Texans career. While I have a normal bias towards wanting to see him succeed, I can remain objective regarding a player from my hometown. ("No, Trent Dilfer was never a star QB, even in college" and "No, Billy Volek doesn't have more upside than Vince Young")

All that said, I fail to see how anything short of a playoff and a Pro Bowl appearance by DC this year will calm the rumbling about him as the Texans starting QB. Maybe there is a large undercurrent of fans who really support him, but based on my readings, they are generally not on this board. If he does lead the Texans to the playoffs and earns a PB spot, he would be "tolerated", not "accepted" by the Houston faithful.

I'm just not sure he can realistically live up to the expectations of the masses at this point. While I hate to say this, the more I read the more I realize that a change of scenery might be the most fair thing for DC at this point in his career. Maybe I'm wrong, maybe I've just been reading this MB too much this offseason, and maybe the voices I keep hearing are the vocal minority, but when I look at what it will take for DC to be accepted here, I wonder if the expectation is at all realistic given the past four years of mediocracy that has surrounded this team and city.
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Really good and mediocre? Please. He has fluctuated between piss poor and substandard, and has shown 2 flashes of above average in his career, st. louis and some of arizona. You can say it was the line, and say it was the skill positions all you like, but the reality is eventually some of the onus for his performance has to be on him.
 
FSUBulldog said:
Before stating my position, here's a list of qualifying statements regarding Carr:

2) Given statement #1, he performance has fluctuated between "really good" and "mediocre" during this period. The Ram game last year ("really good") vs. the repeated times he's run out of bounds behind the line of scrimmage..
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Try the range of Mediocre to Very Poor...


FSUBulldog said:
If he does lead the Texans to the playoffs and earns a PB spot, he would be "tolerated", not "accepted" by the Houston faithful .
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Good Point...

FSUBulldog said:
I look at what it will take for DC to be accepted here.
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There are going to be some people who will ride DC forever...Some because they didn't want him from day one...and some because we didn't get vince...DC is probably never going to have overwhelming support in Houston unless he saves some kids from a fire or something...I personally don't Care for Carr as a player, but I think that he can win for us....Now having said all that I would love for Carr to prove me wrong and show why he was the #1 pick...
 
He must first stay healthy. A major injury to Carr will effect this team more than any other player on the roster. The loss of D. Rob would be 2nd
 
Hey, hey, another Carr thread. Haven't seen one of these around in...ohhh...a few minutes. ;)

Carr will have to prove himself by making more plays than mistakes. Over 20 sacks last year were the result of his decisions. So he'll need to learn to get rid of the ball to avoid the sack.

In addition, he'll need to be able to read defenses and make adjustments accordingly. I'm sure Kubiak will give him more than just dump passes for options, so the verdict is out if he'll succeed in this area.

Another concern is his tendency to lock onto receivers. Of course, having protection is a big part of the time required to see other receiving options, so this will be something that he'll learn as he begins to trust his line.

I'd say proving himself to Houston fans would be 3,000+ yards passing, 20+ TDs, 10- INTs, 20- sacks.

I can't pin win/loss records or playoff appearances on one man, considering it's a team sport. But individual stats might shed some light on his progress.
 
Eyeguy said:
He must first stay healthy. A major injury to Carr will effect this team more than any other player on the roster. The loss of D. Rob would be 2nd
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We really haven't struggled when Carr has been on the sideline. Even an awful QB like Banks kept us in games (and won some) the few times Carr has been out.
 
He just needs to absorb everything Kubiak is feeding him and everything will fall into place, or should I say fall into the hands of his respected targets. His skill level still puts him in the upper echelon of NFL quaterbacks. So if he just takes what the defenses are giving him I think the skies the limit for David this year. A pro bowl apperance is surely within reach this year. As a matter of fact, if I was a betting man I would be banking on it.
 
I think he will need to lead some come from behind wins, and demonstrate some flawlessness in alot more games.

He's already proven his toughness so that isn't something we need to see.

To be honest with you I would like to see him play the way he did in the second half against Minnesota.
 
I think Carr can prove himself in one of two ways next year:

1. The Texans win lots of games (make the playoffs) and he has his 2004 numbers with more a dozen more TDs and less INT and sacks. Basically, play like Tom Brady, not amazing statisically but getting the job done and a leader.

2. The team loses consistently and he needs to have numbers to start the mentioning of Payton Manning's name with his.

If you think about it Carr doesn't have a full year to prove himself. I am sure Kubiak is not going to allow him endless opportunities the entire year.

Carr has to start off strong and he really needs a good or big game against the Eagles. If they lose that game, it is reasonable to see a 1-3 or 0-4 start and continuing that slide.

Mark this down, those first four games are going to be critical to Carr's career as a Texan.

I can't wait for the home opener!
 
Possibilities: 1. Carr does well but losses add up. 2. Wins come but Carr looks average or worse 3. Carr looks average or worse and losses mount 4. Carr looks great and team wins more than 8 games. In my opinion, only # 4 will satisfy most fans.
 
Carr2Johnson said:
Our offseason has been revolving around fixing our team,getting pieces to the 4-3 defense,and giving Carr the weapons he needs to suceed.

.We got Kevin Walter for a seventh round pick, not exaclty an upgrade from last year but still good.

.We got a veteran receiver in Eric Moulds who take the heat of AJ

.We've fixed our offensive line by getting a great center in Mike Flangan,moving McKinney to Guard where he belongs,we've picked up Eric Winston and Charles Spencer.

. And We got the perfect coach to get him over the hump with Gary Kubiak.

Now that he has all the weapons how will he have to prove himself so we can know that made the right move in picking up his option over Drafting Vince Young

Here is what he has to do in my mind:

He will have to make fewer mistakes, give the city something to be excited about like passing the game-winning touchdown at the end of regulation, or he will have to get us back from like 14 down or somthing, but the most important thing is he will have to lead us to the playoffs in 2 years, the city has been waiting for something to cheer about, he has 4 years of experience and the city is getting impatient.

What do you guys think?
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You touched on alot, but this one does it for me. I think this guy can be a beast despite what the majority might say. I remember the 2nd season how we lost so many close games by like no more than 3 - most of which came down to a field goal - that season should have been the winning season, at least 9 -7. Carr was injured that season and when Banks and Ragone went down he was back in the mix and put together some awesome 2 minute drills - hurt and all. All and all he's gotta lead this team or at least step it up in the leadership area. Make it happen, D. Carr.
 
ok, i would say management made a choice this year to address needs, our biggest 2 needs were pass rush and stop pass rush. they did that, how it turns out is in the future that we cant predict. they could have went offense and dumped Carr and picked up vince young. then we would have a rookie QB with 3 years of growth ahead of him. so we wouldnt have made a huge turnaround everyone thinks if they would have grabbed vince young. with the choice they made of going defense and pass protection, we will be a better football team for years to come, regardless of who our QB is. so me personally , I'm gonna watch our defense improve this year, give Carr his chance by default, and if needed we can adress the QB position next year or the year after. I dont think David Carr is gonna lose games for us. but he may keep us in the game and maybe even gain confidence thru the season and become the QB everyone hopes he will be. I'm actually more worried about how improved our O-line becomes, because that will be a factor whoever takes the snaps. I think its gonna be fun to watch though :)
 
TK_Gamer said:
ok, i would say management made a choice this year to address needs, our biggest 2 needs were pass rush and stop pass rush. they did that, how it turns out is in the future that we cant predict. they could have went offense and dumped Carr and picked up vince young. then we would have a rookie QB with 3 years of growth ahead of him. so we wouldnt have made a huge turnaround everyone thinks if they would have grabbed vince young. with the choice they made of going defense and pass protection, we will be a better football team for years to come, regardless of who our QB is. so me personally , I'm gonna watch our defense improve this year, give Carr his chance by default, and if needed we can adress the QB position next year or the year after. I dont think David Carr is gonna lose games for us. but he may keep us in the game and maybe even gain confidence thru the season and become the QB everyone hopes he will be. I'm actually more worried about how improved our O-line becomes, because that will be a factor whoever takes the snaps. I think its gonna be fun to watch though :)
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Did it take rothlisberger 3 years to become a champion?
 
have you ever seen vince young play? his habits and abilities would have to change drasticly to play in the nfl, he depended on a set system to produce the numbers he got. shotgun, option plays?, sidearm?
 
Double Barrel said:
Hey, hey, another Carr thread. Haven't seen one of these around in...ohhh...a few minutes. ;)

Carr will have to prove himself by making more plays than mistakes. Over 20 sacks last year were the result of his decisions. So he'll need to learn to get rid of the ball to avoid the sack.

In addition, he'll need to be able to read defenses and make adjustments accordingly. I'm sure Kubiak will give him more than just dump passes for options, so the verdict is out if he'll succeed in this area.

Another concern is his tendency to lock onto receivers. Of course, having protection is a big part of the time required to see other receiving options, so this will be something that he'll learn as he begins to trust his line.

I'd say proving himself to Houston fans would be 3,000+ yards passing, 20+ TDs, 10- INTs, 20- sacks.

I can't pin win/loss records or playoff appearances on one man, considering it's a team sport. But individual stats might shed some light on his progress.
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Hey DB can we make this the stock answer for all the future , what does DC have to do threads?

:cool:
 
Carr2Johnson said:
Our offseason has been revolving around fixing our team,getting pieces to the 4-3 defense,and giving Carr the weapons he needs to suceed.

.We got Kevin Walter for a seventh round pick, not exaclty an upgrade from last year but still good.

.We got a veteran receiver in Eric Moulds who take the heat of AJ

.We've fixed our offensive line by getting a great center in Mike Flangan,moving McKinney to Guard where he belongs,we've picked up Eric Winston and Charles Spencer.

. And We got the perfect coach to get him over the hump with Gary Kubiak.

Now that he has all the weapons how will he have to prove himself so we can know that made the right move in picking up his option over Drafting Vince Young

Here is what he has to do in my mind:

He will have to make fewer mistakes, give the city something to be excited about like passing the game-winning touchdown at the end of regulation, or he will have to get us back from like 14 down or somthing, but the most important thing is he will have to lead us to the playoffs in 2 years, the city has been waiting for something to cheer about, he has 4 years of experience and the city is getting impatient.

What do you guys think?
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You dont want to know what I think...............Just Kidding, He is going to be just fine, he has a real shot now.

It is time! Baby!
 
I could care less about stats ..... Save One . And thats the number in the win column . DC has to win football games . That is the bottom line . The numbers dont have to be flashy but the W's must add up .

As for those of you who say that DC or other players "Will be given a year to get it together " or how ever you wanna phrase it . I dont think thats the case . If You know Kubiak ... You know that every player on the roster will be held accountable , No if's and's or but's . That hasnt been the case with this team before but I can tell you that changed the day Kubiak was hired . Ive known the guy since 1972 . He wont accept anything less than their best . Carr will be held accountable just like anyone else on the roster .
 
corrosion said:
I could care less about stats ..... Save One . And thats the number in the win column . DC has to win football games . That is the bottom line . The numbers dont have to be flashy but the W's must add up .
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And Kubiak also knows QB's don't win football games--teams do. If the losses pile up, he will look for the folks underperforming (Carr may or may not be one of them), not just stick it automatically on Carr.
 
swtbound07 said:
He has a year in my book..i didnt want to give it to him, but we've been given no choice. He needs to stop sacking himself, he needs to buy himself time in the pocket, and he needs to stop locking onto recievers and making bad decisions with the football.
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Couldn't of said it better myself. I expect the whole team, not just DC to look bad for the first half of the season, then in the second half things should start to pick up.
FSUBulldog said:
If he does lead the Texans to the playoffs and earns a PB spot, he would be "tolerated", not "accepted" by the Houston faithful
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I don't agree with this statement at all. There are a bunch of people here in Houston who think DC hung the moon. I'm just not one of those people. I'll be more then happy to eat crow if DC turns out to be a good QB. Granted, by good QB, I mean having more then one good season.

Don't forget Drew Breez stunk up San Diego for years before he blossomed and Hassleback, in Seatle, was written off many times before he started winning. Thing could still work out for DC here, but, he has a lot to prove as well.
 
swtbound07 said:
Did it take rothlisberger 3 years to become a champion?
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Yeah well, Big Ben won't be pickin' any boogers anytime soon. Helps quite
a bit when you got a HOF canidate at LG. We got another OL shuffle.
Lot of great points on the thread. I don't know what we're going to do if DC does come around. If it wasn't for the dung flung on the boards about how bad DC plays, their would be nothing to post in June. I stuck my neck on the block earlier...27 TDs 12 int's.
I believe we'll be closer to 5-11 than 11-5. Never know. Upset the eagle, o-line comes around, get on an early run, all things are possible. Carr would have to put us in the AFC title game befor people on this board stop grippin' about him. And even then, there would be those who would still be cryin' that because we didn't get to the SB.....DC suxs. I do believe DC will win a SB befor his career is over. My hope is DC gets a fair shot one day with a decent team. Hopefully that will be here.
 
Wharton said:
Hassleback, in Seatle, was written off many times before he started winning.
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Not exactly he only had one bad season that was 7 tds after that he had 15 26 22 24 TDS
 
swtbound07 said:
He has a year in my book..i didnt want to give it to him, but we've been given no choice. He needs to stop sacking himself, he needs to buy himself time in the pocket, and he needs to stop locking onto recievers and making bad decisions with the football.
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"stop locking onto receivers".....that's hilarious considering this teams history
 
Eyeguy said:
He must first stay healthy. A major injury to Carr will effect this team more than any other player on the roster. The loss of D. Rob would be 2nd
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Pretty interesting statement considering all the whiners on here calling him mediocre
 
Hutch13 said:
im pretty sure that wasnt a joke
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didn't think it was.....my point is that with the oline problems we've had, it's kinda hard to accuse the qb of locking on a receiver. 1.5 seconds isn't much of a lock.
 
swtbound07 said:
Did it take rothlisberger 3 years to become a champion?
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No took him two years, Willie Parker, Jerome Bettis, one of the best O lines in the NFL, Hines Ward, Randle El, Bill Cowher, and the 4th ranked defense in the NFL to win that championship.
 
texan279 said:
No took him two years, Willie Parker, Jerome Bettis, one of the best O lines in the NFL, Hines Ward, Randle El, Bill Cowher, and the 4th ranked defense in the NFL to win that championship.
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Exactly!
 
swtbound07 said:
Did it take rothlisberger 3 years to become a champion?
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Come on... Big Ben came into perfect situation with Steelers most rookie QBs don't find themselves fortunate to join. Great defense...very good running game with established OL...good WRs.....All Steelers asked from Ben was to manage the game and avoid big mistakes . Give credit to BR for the poise in leading Steelers to SB win.
 
All i need from david for him to prove me wrong is Stop Sacking himself For the sake of QB rating throw the freaking ball up in the air when the game is on the line with a chance to win it dont just take a sack. show you can lead stop looking like a puppy that just got kiced out of he's owners house on the sideline.
 
swtbound07 said:
Did it take rothlisberger 3 years to become a champion?
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Did we have anywere close to the team around Carr that Big Ben had in Pittsburgh? NO!!! That is a really bad point you are attempting to make. All he did was manage the team while they stuffed it down the opposing teams throat, and wrecked them on Defense. Does Ben have talent absolutely, but Carr may have been able to do very similar things with the same team.

Come on, when it's all said and done if we are winning why does it matter if Carr makes the Pro Bowl. I just want a guy that can manage the team to wins and a Super Bowl. If he can do that then his numbers from whatever year are fine with me. Most likely though I can realistically see him with similar numbers to 2004 with more TD's and a few less picks( he has never really thrown many picks though)
 
infantrycak said:
And Kubiak also knows QB's don't win football games--teams do. If the losses pile up, he will look for the folks underperforming (Carr may or may not be one of them), not just stick it automatically on Carr.
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This post is too rational. What is it doing in this thread? :redtowel:
 
swtbound07 said:
Carr doesnt make reads....not much of a joke.
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IMO this has been stated and now is getting repeated by lots of folks who really haven't sat down and watched the film. Watching film shows Carr's head moving to look at multiple targets on many to most passing plays. He was bad about pulling the trigger on anything other than primary or dump-offs, but he was looking frequently.

My theory is Capers and co. put the screws to what Carr was supposed to consider "open" after his 3 INT's at Indy in '04. Before that Carr was taking shots into double coverage to AJ and to Gaffney as 2nd option (19 passes total in that game and the 3 preceding, 2 total in the 4 games after) and Armstrong (11 Indy and 3 before, 3 in the 4 games after). Over that time period AJ got 22 passes in Indy and the 3 before (other WR's 38 total--that would be 63% to the other WR's--pretty good job of never looking at them) and 20 in the 4 games after (other WR's 10 total). AJ still got his passes--the other WR's dropped out of the game. Lest anyone think the D's got tougher--actually the opposite is true--the average passing D ranking for Indy and the 3 preceding games was 19th--the average passing D ranking for the 4 after was 23rd. Seems unlikely IMO that Carr woke up and decided not to throw to other WR's all on his own and lost his ability suddenly to read other WR's.
 
bigbrewster2000 said:
Did we have anywere close to the team around Carr that Big Ben had in Pittsburgh? NO!!! That is a really bad point you are attempting to make. All he did was manage the team while they stuffed it down the opposing teams throat, and wrecked them on Defense. Does Ben have talent absolutely, but Carr may have been able to do very similar things with the same team.

Come on, when it's all said and done if we are winning why does it matter if Carr makes the Pro Bowl. I just want a guy that can manage the team to wins and a Super Bowl. If he can do that then his numbers from whatever year are fine with me. Most likely though I can realistically see him with similar numbers to 2004 with more TD's and a few less picks( he has never really thrown many picks though)
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I wasn't making that point in reference to David Carr. Someone pointed out that Vince Young has a 3 year wait before he is successful, and I was merely pointing out the fallacy of such a baseless assumption.
 
swtbound07 said:
I wasn't making that point in reference to David Carr. Someone pointed out that Vince Young has a 3 year wait before he is successful, and I was merely pointing out the fallacy of such a baseless assumption.
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Well my point could be made with VY. Had he been on our team it would likely take 3 years considering our team doesn't really compare to the Steelers. Either way bad point.
 
bigbrewster2000 said:
Well my point could be made with VY. Had he been on our team it would likely take 3 years considering our team doesn't really compare to the Steelers. Either way bad point.
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Again, not saying Vince Young would have won if he was a Texan. Take the Texans out of the picture. Im saying that rookie quarterbacks dont have some random, arbitrary 3 year standard of success. Eli Manning in year 2, Rothlishberger in year 2 (and year one, actually.) And I am a bit tired of people saying "With Vince you have to wait 3 years for him to be an NFL qb". Well you just don't know that. He is going to get reps this year, and could be highly successful. You just don't know until he plays.
 
What makes me laugh sometimes is that people acctually start to believe the stuff that they write............

I am not worried period, what ever arguments you have about Carr do not matter cause that QB that you saw and the QB that your going to see are TWO totally different guys. With totally different players and TOTALLY different COACHES and game plans.

He cant read a defense blaw blaw blaw, if he could not he would not be on a team right now, thats a stupid argument, one of the worst when reffering to Carr, If he cant read a defense I wonder what will happen to Vince Young:cool: .
 
bayoudreamn said:
He only had ONE receiver. Who else could he look at, Gaffney never turned around until after coverage broke down.
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I can't remember which game it was in, but I do remember Carr hitting Gaffney in the elbow while he was looking the other direction. Obviously he didn't catch the ball and he looked annoyed that Carr had thrown it to him early. Maybe he wasn't supposed to get the ball until he had made his cut, but he was open and with an o-line like ours was last year - be ready to get the ball in a hurry. I miss what Gaffney could have been a lot more than I miss what he was.
 
Hulk75 said:
What makes me laugh sometimes is that people acctually start to believe the stuff that they write............

I am not worried period, what ever arguments you have about Carr do not matter cause that QB that you saw and the QB that your going to see are TWO totally different guys.
He cant read a defense blaw blaw blaw, if he could not he would not be on a team right now, thats a stupid argument, one of the worst when reffering to Carr, If he cant read a defense I wonder what will happen to Vince Young:cool: .
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You have absolutely nothing to base that on besides faith. Talk to me when we have results, not when your getting your hopes up to get them crushed again. He hasn't been reading defenses, and you dont know how Vince is going to be at the NFL level....unless you have a hotline to the psychic realm that Im unaware of.
 
swtbound07 said:
You have absolutely nothing to base that on besides faith. Talk to me when we have results, not when your getting your hopes up to get them crushed again. He hasn't been reading defenses, and you dont know how Vince is going to be at the NFL level....unless you have a hotline to the psychic realm that Im unaware of.
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Such anger.........

I have nothing to base it on, is Dom still here and Palmer, Gaffney, Wells, Matt Murphy, is Pendry still calling the plays, do we still have the sorry line coach, is Bradford still here. Are you kidding me.

Dont start talking crazy, I have no base yea your right, ALL those guys last year that we had are better then the guys we have now.

Getting my hopes up, has not failed me yet.
 
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