How much is Andre worth to you?

[steelbtexan]

So only 3 of 17 guys is meaningful? But their roster is so much more talented than ours? I'm not buying it. If they resign green instead of Tamme, does that make him meaningful too? Knighton is meaningful, unless someone else signs him?

Dude, your just bashing now and don't want to give any credit to anyone you don't like

How would you propose me breaking things down without spending a lot of time. Yes letting J.Thomas go because Green is there is a smart move. IMHO

I think that Elway will find a away to fill in the roster gaps. Did the Texans finish 2-14 two seasons ago and with better coaching/easy schedule and little help from the draft improved the talent level on the roster? But if you want to think the Broncos talent level is = to the Texans so be it. We will have to agree to disagree.

As far as the season ticket thingy goes, my wife enjoys going to the games and anything that is related to football that makes her happy is something I will continue to do. But I appreciate you giving me financial advice. Got any stock/land tips to go along with the football watching advice?

 

[JB]

How would you propose me breaking things down without spending a lot of time. Yes letting J.Thomas go because Green is there is a smart move. IMHO

I think that Elway will find a away to fill in the roster gaps. Did the Texans finish 2-14 two seasons ago and with better coaching/easy schedule and little help from the draft improved the talent level on the roster? But if you want to think the Broncos talent level is = to the Texans so be it. We will have to agree to disagree.

As far as the season ticket thingy goes, my wife enjoys going to the games and anything that is related to football that makes her happy is something I will continue to do. But I appreciate you giving me financial advice. Got any stock/land tips to go along with the football watching advice?

lol

Just trying to get you to think about enjoying home town football for a change. I would never presume to tell you how or what to spend your money on.

I don't think that outside of #18 the Bronco's are much more talented than we are, if any.

Try looking objectively without the mud colored glasses and I think you'll agree.

 

[steelbtexan]

lol

Just trying to get you to think about enjoying home town football for a change. I would never presume to tell you how or what to spend your money on.

I don't think that outside of #18 the Bronco's are much more talented than we are, if any.

Try looking objectively without the mud colored glasses and I think you'll agree.

I enjoy every yr, even 2-14. I'm blessed to get to go to the games.

I'm just pointing out faults in the Texans org that I've noticed over 12 yrs.

I could break down starter for starter.

1.QB Huge adv Den.
2. RB if healthy adv Hou. Foster cant stau healthy though.
OT adv Hou
OG adv Denver
WR adv Denver
TE adv Denver

DL = even, only because of Watt
LB huge adv Denver
CB Denver
S =
P adv Hou
K =
KR/PR adv huge Denver

JMO

 

[JB]

I enjoy every yr, even 2-14. I'm blessed to get to go to the games.

I'm just pointing out faults in the Texans org that I've noticed over 12 yrs.

I know.

Just the negative rhetoric gets old, especially when we can do nothing about what happens on Kirby.

 

[infantrycak]

I could break down starter for starter.

1.QB Huge adv Den.
2. RB if healthy adv Hou. Foster cant stau healthy though.
OT adv Hou
OG adv Denver
WR adv Denver
TE adv Denver

DL = even, only because of Watt
LB huge adv Denver
CB Denver
S =
P adv Hou
K =
KR/PR adv huge Denver

JMO

Wow, with all that talent on D and a defensive minded HC they have ranked 16, 22, 4 and 24 on pts while the Texans have ranked 7, 24, 9 and 4.

And without Thomas there's no way to rank their TEs as an advantage at this point.

How do they get advantage G when they only have one?

Also C adv Houston

WR is only adv Denver if they keep D.Thomas (and if they tag him to do so it will eat half of their available cap).

 

[steelbtexan]

Wow, with all that talent on D and a defensive minded HC they have ranked 16, 22, 4 and 24 on pts while the Texans have ranked 7, 24, 9 and 4.

And without Thomas there's no way to rank their TEs as an advantage at this point.

How do they get advantage G when they only have one?

Also C adv Houston

WR is only adv Denver if they keep D.Thomas (and if they tag him to do so it will eat half of their available cap).

The defensive stats speak to the great job Crennel did and the greatness of Watt. It's also the main reason Fox got fired. Stats sometimes lie. Case in point is the type of offense the Texans run chews up the clock and helps the defensive stats vs the offense Manning runs. But you already know this.

Virgil Green was better than any TE on the Texans roster last yr and you know Kubiak is going to add OD, so no question TE = Adv Broncos.

G- Louis Vasquez is a pro bowl level OG. The Texans don't have one of those and Ben Jones is a JAG IMHO and whoever the Broncos draft should be as good as Jones. (Tomlinson/Marpet/Poutasi etc...) should do the trick. S yes adv Broncos. If you want to argue OT's Brown/Newton were light yrs better than Clady/Clark last yr.

C- Myers was better than Montgomery last yr. But not by the margin you think. There's a reason you here talk of Myers getting cut to save cap $$$$.

WR- They're going to keep D.Thomas. If they don't then the Texans should do everything possible to sign a big fast youg stud like Thomas. Sanders was also better than any WR on the Texans last yr and adds the 2 things currently missing from the Texans WR speed/ KR/PR ability. A concussed Welker is better than Martin.

Do you really believe the Texans have as much talent on their roster as Denver? I bet if you asked BOB which roster had more talent at this point he would say Denver. Are you looking for excuses when Kubiak fails in Denver or are you just being argumentative?

 

[infantrycak]

What I think is you keep avoiding the subject - roster right now with their cap space. Right now Tamme, OD, D.Thomas, J.Thomas, Welker etc. are not on their roster. Based on right now the Broncos have a clear advantage because of QB and otherwise it's pretty much a draw.

And you constantly move the goalpost instead of taking things head on. Crennel is not responsible for a 4 year history of the Texans' D out performing the Broncos.

Also you play platitudes instead of facts. The Texans ball control resulted in 21 s more TOP. That doesn't cover up this supposed talent difference.

If the Broncos tag D.Thomas which is where they appear headed they have a crud more FAs to sign and are at about the same cap space as the Texans.

Greene is just pure grass is greener because he hasn't been on the field enough to say he's better than anyone. You don't flippantly replace 12 TD (2 years running while injured) TEs.

And Brooks was on par with Vasquez last season.

Manning puts the Broncos on top but aside no they are not a tremendously more talented team.

Wow nice spin. I don't expect Kubiak to "fail" in Denver. I expect them to do well. I also expect the Texans to do well IF Mallett pans out and can play at least at a pre-injury Schaub level.

Edit - I will confess this is a little surprising, AJ not even listed as a potential AFC cut -NFL.com

Since people keep mentioning Rice, just want to point out Rice was coming off two seasons of 830 yds or under which would be over 700 yds less and was 5 years older.

 

[steelbtexan]

What I think is you keep avoiding the subject - roster right now with their cap space. Right now Tamme, OD, D.Thomas, J.Thomas, Welker etc. are not on their roster. Based on right now the Broncos have a clear advantage because of QB and otherwise it's pretty much a draw.

And you constantly move the goalpost instead of taking things head on. Crennel is not responsible for a 4 year history of the Texans' D out performing the Broncos.

Also you play platitudes instead of facts. The Texans ball control resulted in 21 s more TOP. That doesn't cover up this supposed talent difference.

If the Broncos tag D.Thomas which is where they appear headed they have a crud more FAs to sign and are at about the same cap space as the Texans.

Greene is just pure grass is greener because he hasn't been on the field enough to say he's better than anyone. You don't flippantly replace 12 TD (2 years running while injured) TEs.

And Brooks was on par with Vasquez last season.

Manning puts the Broncos on top but aside no they are not a tremendously more talented team.

Wow nice spin. I don't expect Kubiak to "fail" in Denver. I expect them to do well. I also expect the Texans to do well IF Mallett pans out and can play at least at a pre-injury Schaub level.

I though Obsi asked for a projection of the rosters. This is all MY projections.

You mean that 2-14 defense that set an all time record for fewest turnovers and yes, Crennel was a huge upgrade. Compare the players and tell me how many Knighton's/Millers/Ware's/Marshall's/Talib's are on the Texans defense?

I see Vasquez as much better than Brooks right now. Although I think Brooks has the potential to become the better player. I've always been a fan of Brooks. I'm sure you will come up with some obscure stat to try to prove mu position wrong. I go by the eye test.

I'm not flippantly replacing J. Thomas. Green was better than any TE on the Texans roster, a much better blocker. I also think it's fair to project OD to Broncos and in Gary's offense the TE will always be a playmaker.

I hope that Kubiak succeeds but not too much because I want the Texans to beat the Broncos in the playoffs. I too hope Mallett is the answer and think he has the potential to be really good.

Too me the talent level isn't even that close, hopefully the Texans will do better in the draft this yr (They couldn't do much worse throwing darts blindfolded at a draft board.) and the Texans will be able to upgrade the talent level since you know the upgrades wont happen in FA. Again we will have to agree to disagree.

Peace brother.

 

[infantrycak]

You mean that 2-14 defense that set an all time record for fewest turnovers and yes, Crennel was a huge upgrade. Compare the players and tell me how many Knighton's/Millers/Ware's/Marshall's/Talib's are on the Texans defense?

No I mean what I specified with looking at the 4 year time span. You're attempting to move the goalpost again. Even your cherry picking sucks. We were 24th on pts and they were 22nd. Hardly a glory season for them either.

I see Vasquez as much better than Brooks right now. Although I think Brooks has the potential to become the better player. I've always been a fan of Brooks. I'm sure you will come up with some obscure stat to try to prove mu position wrong. I go by the eye test.

I go both objective evidence and eyes. They're no less than on par.

'm not flippantly replacing J. Thomas. Green was better than any TE on the Texans roster, a much better blocker. I also think it's fair to project OD to Broncos and in Gary's offense the TE will always be a playmaker.

Yeah you are being flippant and once again moving the goalpost. That far superior blocking didn't result in an as effective rushing game and does nothing to replace 12 TDs. Once again no matter how reasonable an OD projection is, he is not part of Denver's current talent and will take a chunck out of that cap space.

hope that Kubiak succeeds but not too much because I want the Texans to beat the Broncos in the playoffs.

I'd like to see that as well and if Mallett works out think both making the playoffs is likely.

Too me the talent level isn't even that close, hopefully the Texans will do better in the draft this yr (They couldn't do much worse throwing darts blindfolded at a draft board.)

You loved the draft until hindsight and bag on the Texans hit.

Peace brother.

Always

 

[steelbtexan]

Nope I've repeatedly said that I liked the Texans draft last yr and think it still has potential. I think that XSF becomes an above avg starter after an offseason NFL S&C program and still hold out hope for Nix, despite less than glowing reports. Sad about Clowney.

I take Walter football with a grain of salt. The only thing they're good for is reporting visits at the all star games/Combine. For instance they have Smith drafting a 2 time torn ACL guy (Gurley) in the 1st rd.

If things break right and Mallett is the guy, Nix/XSF and 3 or 4 of the new draft class hit then the future brightens. Time will tell.