Hey guys, what do you think about Derek Carr..

[Carr Bombed]

Let me help you out with what entitlement actually means instead of your made up scenario





I did not have a right to a Division title

I did not have a feeling or belieg that I deserved to be given aything(Mind you, you do understand that the championship was the Texans and not mine correct?)

Nothing financial


expectation? let me help you with that too as it is not the same thing as entitled




I had an expectation that Texans would take the south. I also have an expectation that tax rates will go up. Does that mean I feel entitled to higher tax rates? You either are obvious to these facts or a mental disorder is working overtime here

LMAO.. and who needs to unplug from the internet now?

You actually posting the definition of entitlement proved exactly what I said.

Hence.. feeling or belief.. what's short for feeling, oh "felt" you "felt the division would be a lock" You felt "entitled" to it. Can you please cut the crap here.

especially with this..

"(Mind you, you do understand that the championship was the Texans and not mine correct?)"

Thank you captain obvious, When a fan watches his team win the SB they don't expect to take home the freaking Lombardi trophy or expect to receive a ring in the mail either.

 

[TexansSeminole]

These rants and strange debates are railroading every thread in the draft forum. Nobody cares about y'all's little debate. Take it to a PM or something. I don't want to sift through 2 pages of ranting ridiculousness when trying to read a thread.

 

[2012Champs]

LMAO.. and who needs to unplug from the internet now?

You actually posting the definition of entitlement proved exactly what I said.

Hence.. feeling or belief.. what's short for feeling, oh "felt" you "felt the division would be a lock" You felt "entitled" to it. Can you please cut the crap here.

especially with this..

"(Mind you, you do understand that the championship was the Texans and not mine correct?)"

Thank you captain obvious, When a fan watches his team win the SB they don't expect to take home the freaking Lombardi trophy or expect to receive a ring in the mail either.

I didnt feel I deserved or had a right to anything. Do you think I feel entitled to higher taxes?

expecation vs entitlement. Read for yourself you clearly are having issues

 

[Texecutioner]

Why would anyone want another Carr here? Good lord that is crazy. Never would I go down that road again with another Carr, Shanahan, Capers, Kubiak, or a Schaub. Just bad karma all around.

 

[2012Champs]

These rants and strange debates are railroading every thread in the draft forum. Nobody cares about y'all's little debate. Take it to a PM or something. I don't want to sift through 2 pages of ranting ridiculousness when trying to read a thread.

This thread started off as a silly rant. Its not causing any of the other threads to fall off the first page so just ignore it as there isnt any content within anyhow

 

[Carr Bombed]

These rants and strange debates are railroading every thread in the draft forum. Nobody cares about y'all's little debate. Take it to a PM or something. I don't want to sift through 2 pages of ranting ridiculousness when trying to read a thread.

I didn't fire the first shot. If he wants to P.M.me then that's fine. This is just a precursor of what will happen to anybody who has a negative opinion of "Johnny football"

Which is why I originally said it's going to be a fun offseason and it's 2006 all over again.

 

[Carr Bombed]

Why would anyone want another Carr here? Good lord that is crazy. Never would I go down that road again with another Carr, Shanahan, Capers, Kubiak, or a Schaub. Just bad karma all around.

If the kid can play.. I'll take him and I don't give a crap about his last name.

Peyton is Brady's prison girlfriend, but his little brother has denied him of two SB rings.

If the guy can play, who care's if he's David's brother.

 

[eriadoc]

So you're down to wait another 10 years? Mannings don't come along often. Roethlisberger's got one more ring than Manning does, I'll tell you that.

I think he is saying he wants an elite prospect instead of a fixer-upper. They aren't a dime a dozen but it's not a decade wait between them.

What Vinny said.

Yep, What I meant is there's no clear cut #1 QB in this draft and while it's a deep draft, the talent level/potential doesn't drop off from the #1 QB taken at the top of the draft from QBs taken in the second round.

Yep. And I'll tell you what I think - we're going to need another QB after the 2014 draft anyway, because whoever they pick, they're not going to be The One. Franchise QBs aren't available every draft, so don't force it. Of course, everyone here thinks we should force it, so whatever. Personally, I can see at least a couple franchise QB prospects coming out next year, but do not see one at all this year. Looking back:

2013: no true franchise prospect

2012: one real no brainer, and then the overblown hype bout RGIII, who I like but do not buy into long term because of his style. In retrospect, Russell Wilson might be the 2nd best QB from that class long term, but no one tabbed him as a true franchise QB prospect.

2011: Cam Newton was the only no brainer, AFAIC

2010: Sam Bradford was considered to be that pro-ready, franchise QB prospect - perhaps not to the talent level of a guy like Luck, but a guy that could be built around. No one else.

2009: Stafford.

2008: Matt Ryan.

Could go on, but you get the point. There's usually (not always) one consensus franchise caliber QB prospect. They're usually taken in the top few picks. Whether or not they pan out is a different subject. But the overriding point is unless you get a top pick in a year that happens to have one of those, you're either forcing the issue and hoping it pans out, or you're developing one from a later round (Wilson, GSmith, Foles, Cousins, Dalton, etc.). That's not any more ht or miss than the top round picks when you look at bust rates, TBH.

I just don't want to see the team force a pick on a QB just because they have a top pick and they need a QB. If the QB isn't there at the top of the first round (there isn't, IMO), then take BPA and grab a QB in the 2nd-4th round. I feel like McCarron, Murray (before injury), Mettenberger, Carr, and maybe another one or two QBs could turn out to be just as good as Bridgewater from this draft. I don't see any of them turning out to be the next Luck, Manning, or even Matt Ryan, but hey, you never know. I just don't see the reward for the risk of a top pick.

JMO.

 

[Carr Bombed]

I didnt feel I deserved or had a right to anything. Do you think I feel entitled to higher taxes?

expecation vs entitlement. Read for yourself you clearly are having issues

Please stop blowing smoke up people's rear ends

In your own words.. "you felt" (are we really going to get in a discussion over feelings and felt?) Houston would lock up the division... You felt a sense of entitlement.

 

[Carr Bombed]

What Vinny said.



Yep. And I'll tell you what I think - we're going to need another QB after the 2014 draft anyway, because whoever they pick, they're not going to be The One. Franchise QBs aren't available every draft, so don't force it. Of course, everyone here thinks we should force it, so whatever. Personally, I can see at least a couple franchise QB prospects coming out next year, but do not see one at all this year. Looking back:

2013: no true franchise prospect

2012: one real no brainer, and then the overblown hype bout RGIII, who I like but do not buy into long term because of his style. In retrospect, Russell Wilson might be the 2nd best QB from that class long term, but no one tabbed him as a true franchise QB prospect.

2011: Cam Newton was the only no brainer, AFAIC

2010: Sam Bradford was considered to be that pro-ready, franchise QB prospect - perhaps not to the talent level of a guy like Luck, but a guy that could be built around. No one else.

2009: Stafford.

2008: Matt Ryan.

Could go on, but you get the point. There's usually (not always) one consensus franchise caliber QB prospect. They're usually taken in the top few picks. Whether or not they pan out is a different subject. But the overriding point is unless you get a top pick in a year that happens to have one of those, you're either forcing the issue and hoping it pans out, or you're developing one from a later round (Wilson, GSmith, Foles, Cousins, Dalton, etc.). That's not any more ht or miss than the top round picks when you look at bust rates, TBH.

I just don't want to see the team force a pick on a QB just because they have a top pick and they need a QB. If the QB isn't there at the top of the first round (there isn't, IMO), then take BPA and grab a QB in the 2nd-4th round. I feel like McCarron, Murray (before injury), Mettenberger, Carr, and maybe another one or two QBs could turn out to be just as good as Bridgewater from this draft. I don't see any of them turning out to be the next Luck, Manning, or even Matt Ryan, but hey, you never know. I just don't see the reward for the risk of a top pick.

JMO.

(2012) Andrew Luck?

 

[2012Champs]

Please stop blowing smoke up people's rear ends

In your own words.. "you felt" (are we really going to get in a discussion over feelings and felt?) Houston would lock up the division... You felt a sense of entitlement.

you clearly dont understand what entitlement means

I feel that interest rates will go up
I feel that taxes will go up
I feel that you understand clearly the difference but cant admit you were wrong

None of that nor my expectation that the texans would win the south are entitlement

 

[eriadoc]

(2012) Andrew Luck?

The one real no brainer I referenced.

 

[Hervoyel]

Let me go on the record,

I would rather not have a team in Houston than have the product that is currently being thrown out on the field. I'm sure 2012 feels differently.

But if everybody pulled a either do everything you can BoB to put a winner on the field or get out of town, like we did with Bud. Then I'm sure things would truly change down on Kirby.

It looks like that may have to happen or BoB retire/die for change to happen.

You may be right but I'm never playing chicken again with an NFL owner and I couldn't in good conscience recommend that any other fan or fans do so.

 

[Carr Bombed]

you clearly dont understand what entitlement means

I feel that interest rates will go up
I feel that taxes will go up
I feel that you understand clearly the difference but cant admit you were wrong

None of that nor my expectation that the texans would win the south are entitlement

Again...

Stop trying to blow smoke us people's asses When you create a freaking handle based solely on your expectation that your team "will lock down a division" you "expect" results and a certain level of play.. you can try to spin the definitions any way you want to, but again you're just blowing smoke.

Texan fans shouldn't just be mindless drones with a dollar that they're willing to fork out, who are solely happy just to have football back in town regardless of the outcome on the field..

That's not why they will sign up on a internet message boards creating names like 2012Champs, because they expectations to lock down a division.

 

[2012Champs]

Again...

Stop trying to blow smoke us people's asses When you create a freaking handle based solely on your expectation that your team "will lock down a division" you "expect" results and a certain level of play.. you can try to spin the definitions any way you want to, but again you're just blowing smoke.

Texan fans shouldn't just be mindless drones with a dollar that they're willing to fork out, who are solely happy just to have football back in town regardless of the outcome on the field..

That's not why they will sign up on a internet message boards creating names like 2012Champs, because they expectations to lock down a division.

do you understand the expectations and entitlement are two different terms?

 

[Carr Bombed]

The one real no brainier I referenced.

There was more no brainers than that.

my point is, there's no clear cut favorite in this draft.. There's no Luck, Stafford, of even Bradford. There's a boat load of 2nd tier QBs who haven't exactly separated themselves from the pack. If we (and we are) going to have a top pick, I'd rather take a elite prospect at another position and get a QB later.

 

[Honoring Earl 34]

There was more no brainers than that.

my point is, there's no clear cut favorite in this draft.. There's no Luck, Stafford, of even Bradford. There's a boat load of 2nd tier QBs who haven't exactly separated themselves from the pack. If we (and we are) going to have a top pick, I'd rather take a elite prospect at another position and get a QB later.

Matt Miller of The Bleacher Reoprt said Teddy was the 2nd best QB he's ever scouted . Better than RG3 , Stafford . Bradford and so on ... FWIW .

 

[Carr Bombed]

Matt Miller of The Bleacher Reoprt said Teddy was the 2nd best QB he's ever scouted . Better than RG3 , Stafford . Bradford and so on ... FWIW .

For the sake of this franchise I hope so, I just don't see it. His floor is high as hell (at worst he'll be solid), I just don't think there's much room between the floor and the ceiling. I really don't see any difference between someone like him and someone we wouldn't be able to grab later.

 

[JB]

Let me go on the record,

I would rather not have a team in Houston than have the product that is currently being thrown out on the field. I'm sure 2012 feels differently.

But if everybody pulled a either do everything you can BoB to put a winner on the field or get out of town, like we did with Bud. Then I'm sure things would truly change down on Kirby.

It looks like that may have to happen or BoB retire/die for change to happen.

For the record, letting Bud leave town had nothing to do with the w/l record of the team, or the team at all

 

[Honoring Earl 34]

For the sake of this franchise I hope so, I just don't see it. His floor is high as hell (at worst he'll be solid), I just don't think there's much room between the floor and the ceiling.

That's the slippery slope . You play it safe and go with Mathews and Teddy becomes the real deal , you just set yourself back years .

Walter Football just came out with a new mock at noon and the Texans picked Clowney 2nd . I they had the Texans picking Boyd in the 2nd .

 

[TexansSeminole]

If the kid can play.. I'll take him and I don't give a crap about his last name.

Peyton is Brady's prison girlfriend, but his little brother has denied him of two SB rings.

If the guy can play, who care's if he's David's brother.

I tend to agree, but the lack of competition is a problem. If I am going to get a guy with mostly question marks on lack of competition, it's Bridgewater.

 

[Carr Bombed]

I tend to agree, but the lack of competition is a problem. If I am going to get a guy with mostly question marks on lack of competition, it's Bridgewater.

Who has Bridgewater played against? He's playing against the same level of competition Carr has. That's why in my eyes the tiebreaker is physical skills/talent and Carr wins there.

 

[TexansSeminole]

Who has Bridgewater played against? He's playing against the same level of competition Carr has.

Well, he had that game against Florida. His competition is also better in conference, not by a whole lot but it's still better.

Regardless, that wasn't my point. My point was that Bridgewater looks more sure-fire than Carr does, although both have their question marks.

 

[htownfan32]

What Vinny said.



Yep. And I'll tell you what I think - we're going to need another QB after the 2014 draft anyway, because whoever they pick, they're not going to be The One. Franchise QBs aren't available every draft, so don't force it. Of course, everyone here thinks we should force it, so whatever. Personally, I can see at least a couple franchise QB prospects coming out next year, but do not see one at all this year. Looking back:

2013: no true franchise prospect

2012: one real no brainer, and then the overblown hype bout RGIII, who I like but do not buy into long term because of his style. In retrospect, Russell Wilson might be the 2nd best QB from that class long term, but no one tabbed him as a true franchise QB prospect.

2011: Cam Newton was the only no brainer, AFAIC

2010: Sam Bradford was considered to be that pro-ready, franchise QB prospect - perhaps not to the talent level of a guy like Luck, but a guy that could be built around. No one else.

2009: Stafford.

2008: Matt Ryan.

Could go on, but you get the point. There's usually (not always) one consensus franchise caliber QB prospect. They're usually taken in the top few picks. Whether or not they pan out is a different subject. But the overriding point is unless you get a top pick in a year that happens to have one of those, you're either forcing the issue and hoping it pans out, or you're developing one from a later round (Wilson, GSmith, Foles, Cousins, Dalton, etc.). That's not any more ht or miss than the top round picks when you look at bust rates, TBH.

I just don't want to see the team force a pick on a QB just because they have a top pick and they need a QB. If the QB isn't there at the top of the first round (there isn't, IMO), then take BPA and grab a QB in the 2nd-4th round. I feel like McCarron, Murray (before injury), Mettenberger, Carr, and maybe another one or two QBs could turn out to be just as good as Bridgewater from this draft. I don't see any of them turning out to be the next Luck, Manning, or even Matt Ryan, but hey, you never know. I just don't see the reward for the risk of a top pick.

JMO.

We're gonna have to agree to disagree on this one, Eriadoc. Personally (and obviously this is JMO) I think Bridgewater can be that guy. Maybe it's the issue of us seeing different stuff on tape. Whatever the cause, I think he IS the franchise guy, and our debate aside this is the job for the new FO (or god forbid the current FO) to decide. Is he the guy? This is a important question that will shape the fate of this franchise. I think he is, but if he's not I will accept it and look elsewhere. The idea of drafting OL and LB talent is a good one. I don't like it as much because it takes a year out of having a QB, and then we're rolling the dice on being able to get Winston or Hogan or Petty (any three or all three of whom could fall off a la Barkley). There is no sure thing in the NFL.

At the end of the day we need a franchise QB. I don't care who it is, I want one. I just think that Bridgewater could be that guy. I could be totally wrong. I'm certainly not rabid about him, but I see the potential there. You don't - and the FO is gonna have to decide for themselves. Let's just hope as fans they make the right choice, whatever it is.

 

[infantrycak]

If the kid can play.. I'll take him and I don't give a crap about his last name.

Peyton is Brady's prison girlfriend, but his little brother has denied him of two SB rings.

If the guy can play, who care's if he's David's brother.

I generally agree but in this particular instance the name does matter because it raises a giant red flag question which needs to be answered - Is Derek more committed to the game than his brother was (which goes hand in hand with is he more coachable than his brother)? There are lots of related questions on that - is he going to study at home or at the facility, is he going to be an island on the team, etc. There are legitimate reasons for Texans fans to at least want a more thorough investigation than normal because we have more information than normal.

 

[Carr Bombed]

That's the slippery slope . You play it safe and go with Mathews and Teddy becomes the real deal , you just set yourself back years .

Walter Football just came out with a new mock at noon and the Texans picked Clowney 2nd . I they had the Texans picking Boyd in the 2nd .

Id be happy with that mock. There's a crap load of talent at the QB position this year.. but none really worth a top 5 pick. You can grab a player actually worth a top 5 pick and pick up a QB in the 2nd round without losing much talent wise.

I disagree with you though.. even if Teddy becomes the real deal and you miss out on him, you don't set yourself back years, because you'll be in line to draft another Teddy next year. You'll set yourself back years if he doesn't live up to being a top 5 pick QB and proves not to be worth the time you're going to have to invest in him if you do take him top 5.

 

[Honoring Earl 34]

Id be happy with that mock. There's a crap load of talent at the QB position this year.. but none really worth a top 5 pick. You can grab a player actually worth a top 5 pick and pick up a QB in the 2nd round without losing much talent wise.

I disagree with you though.. even if Teddy becomes the real deal and you miss out on him, you don't set yourself back years, because you'll be in line to draft another Teddy next year. You'll set yourself back years if he doesn't live up to being a top 5 pick QB and proves not to be worth the time you're going to have to invest in him if you do take him top 5.

If Teddy or the QB you pick turns out to be a player , your set . The problem is getting the blemishes off him in time to play with JJ and the others entering their prime . Teddy is a Miami native , maybe that will make AJ happy .

While Luck isn't exactly setting the world on fire , he is way ahead of schedule compared to RG3 and the other young QBs . That's who your trying to close the gap against , if you want to be king of the AFC south again .

For cherry picking purposes .

http://walterfootball.com/draft2014.php

 

[eriadoc]

We're gonna have to agree to disagree on this one, Eriadoc. Personally (and obviously this is JMO) I think Bridgewater can be that guy.

...
At the end of the day we need a franchise QB. I don't care who it is, I want one. I just think that Bridgewater could be that guy. I could be totally wrong. I'm certainly not rabid about him, but I see the potential there. You don't - and the FO is gonna have to decide for themselves. Let's just hope as fans they make the right choice, whatever it is.

That's cool. I was just explaining my thought process.

 

[htownfan32]

That's cool. I was just explaining my thought process.

Definitely. I can see where that viewpoint comes from, too. The BPA (i.e. Clowney, Barr, Matthews) camp has a lot of merit to it. Unfortunately we have been set back so far as a franchise we are in this situation. It's pitiful.

Say you were given the first overall pick. Do you make your choice there or do you trade down?

 

[Honoring Earl 34]

Definitely. I can see where that viewpoint comes from, too. The BPA (i.e. Clowney, Barr, Matthews) camp has a lot of merit to it. Unfortunately we have been set back so far as a franchise we are in this situation. It's pitiful.

Part of the setback is the mauling of the salary cap . The bad news part 2 is they have to pay their best player pretty soon .

 

[Texian]

Matt Miller of The Bleacher Reoprt said Teddy was the 2nd best QB he's ever scouted . Better than RG3 , Stafford . Bradford and so on ... FWIW .

Matt Miller is a novice at the evaluation game as far as I am concerned. His stuff is so bad I had to UNFOLLOW him on twitter. He was wasting to much of my time. For the most part he made no sense and is void of any logic or sense of reason.

 

[steelbtexan]

In mass you arent going to pull a "do everything you can or get out of town bob" no matter how many times you type BoB on this site. Given the option more people would rather have a team in town vs not having one at all.

Bud thought the same things you do.

 

[steelbtexan]

Quoted for the wow. That is the definition of bandwagon.

Yep I'm a 40 yr bandwagon fan.

Or maybe I think BoB's comittment to putting a great team on the field rivals Bud's. I've seen this story for too many yrs. It's up to BoB to prove me wrong.

BTW, is BoB still learning on the job after 12 yrs?

 

[steelbtexan]

For the record, letting Bud leave town had nothing to do with the w/l record of the team, or the team at all

I know about the Astrodome and the tax $$$$ that we are still paying off. But if the Oilers had won a SB (Thanks Warren) then the city would've built Bud a new stadium. But that didn't happen and Bud like any good businessman cut the best deal he could get with Nashville. (Not saying I agree with Bud's tactics)

Bud did have one thing right, if he would've let the Astros/Rockets go 1st in requestin tax $$$$ for a new stadium, he probably would've gotten the new stadium he desired.

 

[2012Champs]

Bud thought the same things you do.

Your memory is off

 

[steelbtexan]

Your memory is off

You're not the 1st person to make that remark. LOL

 

[steelbtexan]

What Vinny said.



Yep. And I'll tell you what I think - we're going to need another QB after the 2014 draft anyway, because whoever they pick, they're not going to be The One. Franchise QBs aren't available every draft, so don't force it. Of course, everyone here thinks we should force it, so whatever. Personally, I can see at least a couple franchise QB prospects coming out next year, but do not see one at all this year. Looking back:

2013: no true franchise prospect

2012: one real no brainer, and then the overblown hype bout RGIII, who I like but do not buy into long term because of his style. In retrospect, Russell Wilson might be the 2nd best QB from that class long term, but no one tabbed him as a true franchise QB prospect.

2011: Cam Newton was the only no brainer, AFAIC

2010: Sam Bradford was considered to be that pro-ready, franchise QB prospect - perhaps not to the talent level of a guy like Luck, but a guy that could be built around. No one else.

2009: Stafford.

2008: Matt Ryan.

Could go on, but you get the point. There's usually (not always) one consensus franchise caliber QB prospect. They're usually taken in the top few picks. Whether or not they pan out is a different subject. But the overriding point is unless you get a top pick in a year that happens to have one of those, you're either forcing the issue and hoping it pans out, or you're developing one from a later round (Wilson, GSmith, Foles, Cousins, Dalton, etc.). That's not any more ht or miss than the top round picks when you look at bust rates, TBH.

I just don't want to see the team force a pick on a QB just because they have a top pick and they need a QB. If the QB isn't there at the top of the first round (there isn't, IMO), then take BPA and grab a QB in the 2nd-4th round. I feel like McCarron, Murray (before injury), Mettenberger, Carr, and maybe another one or two QBs could turn out to be just as good as Bridgewater from this draft. I don't see any of them turning out to be the next Luck, Manning, or even Matt Ryan, but hey, you never know. I just don't see the reward for the risk of a top pick.

JMO.

Great minds think alike.

The optimal thing to have happen would be to trade for Clevelands two 1st's.

Nix and Erving could solve alot of what's wrong with this team. One of Mettenberger/McCarron/Manziel should be there at 2-1 and odds are they will be as good in the NFL as Bridgewater turns out to be.

This is an oppurtunity to build a stable franchise for yrs to come.

 

[eriadoc]

Definitely. I can see where that viewpoint comes from, too. The BPA (i.e. Clowney, Barr, Matthews) camp has a lot of merit to it. Unfortunately we have been set back so far as a franchise we are in this situation. It's pitiful.

Say you were given the first overall pick. Do you make your choice there or do you trade down?

For me, it depends on the grade for Matthews (or whatever BPA). If it's comparable to past year;s #1 guys, maybe I just take the guy. Personally, I want Clowney less than I want Bridgewater. I like trade downs when they're done right. I have little faith that the current FO will do it right.

 

[Playoffs]

QB prospect on the rise for 2014 NFL draft: Derek Carr. Respected scout I talk to thinks he's top 10 when it's all said and done.

— Eric Edholm (@Eric_Edholm) November 18, 2013

 

[Pollardized]

Fresno State against San Jose St coming on now on CBS. Sports network. Good chance to see Carr play. And also the San Jose QB Fales.

 

[JB]

Fresno State against San Jose St coming on now on CBS. Sports network. Good chance to see Carr play. And also the San Jose QB Fales.

My CBS station has Arkanasas- LSU game

oops, just saw the cbssn

found it

Thanks!

 

[Pollardized]

My CBS station has Arkanasas- LSU game

CBS Sports Network, it's like Fox Sports. Channel 221 on Directv.

 

[JB]

CBS Sports Network, it's like Fox Sports. Channel 221 on Directv.

512 on Suddenlink Conroe

 

[Pollardized]

Wow SJ with a 3 man offensive line on that play!

 

[JB]

Carr dropped that pass in nicely for a TD

 

[Lucky]

Has better touch than his older brother and is not as stiff an athlete. Still has some of that sidearm delivery. Not as big an arm as David. Looks like a solid 2nd round pick to me.

 

[infantrycak]

Hard to judge them when there are no defenses on the field.

 

[bah007]

Has better touch than his older brother and is not as stiff an athlete. Still has some of that sidearm delivery. Not as big an arm as David. Looks like a solid 2nd round pick to me.

I think he goes in the top 25. Maybe he doesn't deserve to but I think he will.

I've got him as my #2 QB right now but that speaks more to how overrated I think the rest of the class is.

I think Bridgewater, Carr, Mariota, and Manziel all go first round.

 

[stingray]

Defenses are as bad is it gets.

 

[TexansSeminole]

Hard to judge them when there are no defenses on the field.

Yup. People keep saying that he and Bridgewater play against the same level of competition, it's just not true. Louisville may not play the big boys but their opponents are undoubtedly more stingy than the teams that Fresno State play against.