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Hey guys, what do you think about Derek Carr..

kiwitexansfan said:
As the other guy that 'experts' think will be a first round QB, thought I would bump this thread since TB, BB and JFF have active threads.

If we do trade down Carr will be in the mix somewhere.
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Bob wants to make the best moves for the team, but he also wants to appease the fans I believe.

I'm a UH Alumni and am super biased towards Case Keenum, but that dude should not have got that long of a run being completely ineffective while Yates didn't even get a chance.

I don't believe Yates is good, but I believe that Bob wanted to appease the fans. Everyone in this thread knows if we drafted the brother of David Carr it would NOT be received well, even if he happened to be BPA at the time and we needed a QB.

I will stand firm saying there is a less than 1% chance he is drafted by the Texans despite what we do on draft day.
 
Futures: Fresno State QB Derek Carr

Want a glimpse into a quarterback’s mind? Watch his feet.

by Matt Waldman
These nine plays illustrate both sides of Derek Carr. He’s a quarterback capable of quick decisions, high velocity throws with tight-window accuracy, and the skill to make positive plays under pressure. He also has an impulsive streak that can lead to inaccurate throws, poor ball placement, and bad decisions.

Carr’s play has grown on me as I study him in-depth. However, it’s not a ringing endorsement for a player a team is likely to coronate as its future starter in April. He’s the type of player I think would benefit most from a year or two on the bench behind a good starter like Philip Rivers, Tony Romo, Peyton Manning or Drew Brees, but I’m not expecting he’ll be this fortunate.
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David Carr has done an excellent job of coaching his younger brother in what to do and how to act to most impress NFL teams, and it's working...

Carr is early to the field and always getting extra work in after practices. He's pulling WRs in with him, and each of the guys who play along are getting noticed for that. Carr's arm was head & shoulders above all others in yesterday's big winds, and he's taking coaching well. But the "intangibles" sales job is increasing his draft stock.

I do not see Carr as having the mind to run OB's system. Props to his brother David, though, for teaching him well and to Derek for listening and following directions.
 
Playoffs said:
David Carr has done an excellent job of coaching his younger brother in what to do and how to act to most impress NFL teams, and it's working...

Carr is early to the field and always getting extra work in after practices. He's pulling WRs in with him, and each of the guys who play along are getting noticed for that. Carr's arm was head & shoulders above all others in yesterday's big winds, and he's taking coaching well. But the "intangibles" sales job is increasing his draft stock.

I do not see Carr as having the mind to run OB's system. Props to his brother David, though, for teaching him well and to Derek for listening and following directions.
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Maybe he has chosen for himself to show the work ethic and willingness to go the extra mile that was the knock on David?

Will be interested to see where Carr's draft stock is at the end of the week.

I had the feeling he was drifting down the boards, maybe to the end of the first round somewhere but it seems he is showing as the best of the QBs at Senior Bowl.
 
kiwitexansfan said:
I had the feeling he was drifting down the boards, maybe to the end of the first round somewhere but it seems he is showing as the best of the QBs at Senior Bowl.
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Well, this is his competition at the Senior Bowl (with my opinion on their stock)....

Tajh Boyd - 2nd-4th round
Derek Carr - 1st-2nd round
David Fales - 3rd-4th round
Jimmy Garoppolo - 2nd-3rd round
Stephen Morris - 3rd-4th round
Logan Thomas - 4th-6th round

He should be the best one there. That said, I think he has definitely helped himself so far this week.
 
kiwitexansfan said:
Maybe he has chosen for himself to show the work ethic and willingness to go the extra mile that was the knock on David?
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Carr 1.0 had all the physical tools to succeed int he NFL. If he had just taken on the heavy lifting of the job (late nights and film study), he could have been very good. But we all know how that turned out. So if Carr 2.0 is willing to correct that flaw, he looks like he has the physical tools to succeed also.

Just not here, I don't think.
 
eriadoc said:
Carr 1.0 had all the physical tools to succeed int he NFL. If he had just taken on the heavy lifting of the job (late nights and film study), he could have been very good. But we all know how that turned out. So if Carr 2.0 is willing to correct that flaw, he looks like he has the physical tools to succeed also.

Just not here, I don't think.
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Carr 1 had a good week of practice at the senior bowl . It was the game that should have been the omen .
 
Carr Bombed said:
Hey guys, what do you think about Derek Carr..
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I think it's time we stopped castigating little brother with big brother's shortcomings. Watch this video... all the way through to the end...

Derek Carr: "I'll Outwork Anybody"

Now I don't want the Texans to draft him, one reason is fit... another is how he'd be treated here... but I don't know how you don't come away from that with some respect for the young man.

After he was interrupted by his Combine escort but politely asked to continue his story about his son and did so, Carr thanked everyone and left the podium to shake the hands of the reporters gathered there and thanked them for their questions. Number of others who have done that: 0. I wish him the best.
 
Playoffs said:
Now I don't want the Texans to draft him, one reason is fit... another is how he'd be treated here... but I don't know how you don't come away from that with some respect for the young man.
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I agree. The Texans could not sell another Carr to their fans. And don't want to go off on a David Carr bash session, but you can't watch that interview and not think that Derek is the kind of leader that David never was. I like his chances to make it in the NFL. Just not in Houston.
 
Lucky said:
I agree. The Texans could not sell another Carr to their fans. And don't want to go off on a David Carr bash session, but you can't watch that interview and not think that Derek is the kind of leader that David never was. I like his chances to make it in the NFL. Just not in Houston.
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David said all of the right things as well. David looked and acted the part. Not saying that his brother might not be sincere or anything, but there is no way that Houston could draft another Carr. If it doesn't work out, I'd bail on the Texans for good. I couldn't sit through another Carr experiment if it didn't work out. I wouldn't want to have the constant reminders of David and seeing his face all over the news again and him hanging around the stadium. It would be like living through an awful nightmare all over again, and I feel that I've done that for 8 years of Gary Kubiak knowing Gary would be to stubborn to adapt every year. I don't like the fact that David is this kid's mentor most likely either. The backlash to drafting Carr would be bad from the start. The backlash if he struggled would be to much to bear for this fan base, and I'm apart of that I'll admit. You don't throw good money after bad. Carr is simply not an option here for Houston in my opinion.
 
aussie_texan said:
didnt sources come out and say the same thing about the browns.
carr's stock rising and manziel falling. smokescreen perhaps??
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Could be. I think anytime you have an athlete/playmaker like Manziel, someone is bound to fall in love with him. He may be falling, or may not be, but someone will take their shot at him.
 
aussie_texan said:
didnt sources come out and say the same thing about the browns.
carr's stock rising and manziel falling. smokescreen perhaps??
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I don't think any team is truly showing their hand at this point in the process, it's all a mind game to screw with teams and mess up their Big Boards. The Browns have more than one pick in this draft, and if they can get a QB at #4, putting out interest in lesser QBs may push them up someone else's board. That would then free up other players at #26 and #35. So yeah, it's probably a smokescreen.
 
Sorry if this has been discussed, I went back three pages looking for Carr in topic tough.

Anyway, was just having a discussion with a fellow Raider fan about Derek Carr and the Houston Texans. That fan seems to think the Texans may go after Carr, but I and others replied that after David we doubt Bob would draft another Carr. I feel Derek would have to be Peytonesque in order to justify the Texans taking him. And I realize that Derek is not David, but how would you all feel about drafting Derek? Good idea, bad idea, McNair would be a total idiot, etc.?????
 
Cerberus said:
Sorry if this has been discussed, I went back three pages looking for Carr in topic tough.

Anyway, was just having a discussion with a fellow Raider fan about Derek Carr and the Houston Texans. That fan seems to think the Texans may go after Carr, but I and others replied that after David we doubt Bob would draft another Carr. I feel Derek would have to be Peytonesque in order to justify the Texans taking him. And I realize that Derek is not David, but how would you all feel about drafting Derek? Good idea, bad idea, McNair would be a total idiot, etc.?????
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I don't believe that's true.

A lot of what went wrong with David Carr were things the Texans did or didn't do for David Carr.

If they believe Derek can be a franchise QB & has the best ability to do so, I'm sure they will do what they need to to make him our QB. If that means taking him with the #1 overall, so be it.

If I were king & I thought he could be that guy one of the things I would do is restrict his families access to practice... no David Carr or his dad in the club house or on the field or anything more than what Jacoby's mom had.

I don't have a problem with players who put their family or religious beliefs before football. At the same time, this is more than just a job. We don't work on a 40 hr/wk schedule. We do what it takes to win.
 
Cerberus said:
Sorry if this has been discussed, I went back three pages looking for Carr in topic tough.

Anyway, was just having a discussion with a fellow Raider fan about Derek Carr and the Houston Texans. That fan seems to think the Texans may go after Carr, but I and others replied that after David we doubt Bob would draft another Carr. I feel Derek would have to be Peytonesque in order to justify the Texans taking him. And I realize that Derek is not David, but how would you all feel about drafting Derek? Good idea, bad idea, McNair would be a total idiot, etc.?????
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If we go non-QB at 1-1, I wouldn't be too surprised to see us go Carr at 2-1. I just don't see us drafting Carr in the top 10.

A part of what went wrong with the original Carr here was his family and his family orientation. This Carr shares that family and those values. For me, that's a huge red flag that this Carr is going to be a 9-5 type of guy just like his brother and if that's true, he's not O'Brien material.
 
Mike Garafolo ‏@MikeGarafolo
Backing up on Carr, the hope is it's just a bad stomach bug but they don't know for sure yet. Either way, he refused to cancel mtgs/workouts

Fresno QB Derek Carr vomited last night and went to the hospital for treatment and IVs, per source. But plans to go thru w pro day in full.
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thunderkyss said:
I don't believe that's true.

A lot of what went wrong with David Carr were things the Texans did or didn't do for David Carr.

If they believe Derek can be a franchise QB & has the best ability to do so, I'm sure they will do what they need to to make him our QB. If that means taking him with the #1 overall, so be it.

If I were king & I thought he could be that guy one of the things I would do is restrict his families access to practice... no David Carr or his dad in the club house or on the field or anything more than what Jacoby's mom had.

I don't have a problem with players who put their family or religious beliefs before football. At the same time, this is more than just a job. We don't work on a 40 hr/wk schedule. We do what it takes to win.
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Could the Texans have put David in a better situation and gotten more out of him? - sure. But David was never going to be a good NFL QB unless he changed himself, his priorities and his habits. He would ultimately have failed to be more than mediocre no matter what unless he changed him.

As an owner/GM I would have a huge problem with any player who wasn't willing to commit fully to the team for whatever reason. You don't get to say I want paid like a guy who is fully committed unless you are a guy who is fully committed.

On Derek I would have to be 100% convinced he is committed and would not simply be Carr Round 2. If he talks to the Texans he should be volunteering up (not waiting to be asked) - "I will not be like David was here. He and I both realize his mistakes and I will be at the facility longer than anyone, will be a student of the game, will not be standoffish with my teammates - I will bond with them and be a leader and my family will be nowhere near NRG except to watch games unless you extend a special invite to them." Only then would I consider him with ANY draft pick.
 
The Pencil Neck said:
If we go non-QB at 1-1, I wouldn't be too surprised to see us go Carr at 2-1. I just don't see us drafting Carr in the top 10.



A part of what went wrong with the original Carr here was his family and his family orientation. This Carr shares that family and those values. For me, that's a huge red flag that this Carr is going to be a 9-5 type of guy just like his brother and if that's true, he's not O'Brien material.
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Good scenario. Say we go Clowney at #1, and Carr falls out of the first round. Would he be accepted by Texans fans if he was drafted at 2-1?


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Some DC pro day videos here: http://instagram.com/daverenteria

Tony Pauline ‏@TonyPauline
Scout texted me stating Derek Carr had the best quarterback workout this week...
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2014 Pro Day: Despite nausea, Derek Carr "didn't have a bad throw"
Carr's sterling performance is all the more impressive considering that he spent much of the morning in discomfort. According to a source close to the Bulldogs, Carr woke up vomiting this morning at 5 a.m. To replenish his fluids Carr was given an IV by Fresno's trainers. Despite being sick, Carr was adamant about competing.
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So earlier today it was reported that he had to check into the hospital for treatment.

Later, it was reported that he was treated by the Fresno St trainers.

Tomorrow it will probably come out that he wasn't sick at all...
 
http://espn.go.com/nfl/draft2014/story/_/id/10642777/derek-carr-fights-illness-solid-showing-pro-day

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Among those in the audience were Vikings general manager Rick Spielman and offensive coordinator Norv Turner, Raiders general manager Reggie McKenzie and head coach Dennis Allen, and Jaguars offensive coordinator Jedd Fisch.

Carr is considered among the top quarterbacks available in the May draft class and a candidate to be a first-round pick.

Carr was scheduled to meet with the Vikings and Raiders officials after Thursday's workouts, with more meetings scheduled with NFL scouts and officials in Fresno through the weekend.

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"Obviously, he was very impressive today," said Turner, whose Vikings have the eighth overall pick. "He came out and showed he has a strong arm, very accurate, he made all the throws. He had a heck of a workout."
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It seems like Carr may be climbing back to where he was ranked before the bowl game let down. He was regarded as a top 5 pick by many in December and was the clear #2 behind Bridgewater with Manziel being a very distant 3rd (ranked 20th or lower).
 
I'd be much happier with Carr in the 2nd than Bortles with 1.1. Seems like he might not make it to the 2nd though.
 
McShay has a fourth-round grade on QB Carr
Scouts Inc.'s Todd McShay has a fourth-round grade on Fresno State QB Derek Carr.

McShay also labeled Carr the biggest risk of the quarterback group since people are mentioning him in the first-round. "I don't see it," McShay began. "60 percent of his throws within five yards of the line of scrimmage, struggles against pressure and that tape I watched against USC, that is not a quarterback, to me, that looks like a potential starter in the league."

It can be difficult to separate quarterbacks from systems, and Carr's inability to fire in the face of a pass rush has been well documented in the form of poor balance, but we still expect him to be, at worst, an early second-round pick.
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Carr could be a Nick Foles types of player. Put in the right system with the right coach he could shine. Put in the wrong system with the wrong coach and he will end up like his brother, Captain Mittens...
 
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Does anyone know about the tattoos on Car's wrists? Especially on his right hand, that one seems like it should mean something.


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Oakland Raiders: Derek Carr, QB, Fresno State
This may still surprise some people, but as I wrote last week, I've been hearing more and more that multiple teams in the top 10 prefer Carr over both Teddy Bridgewater and/or Johnny Manziel. We're trained to think that Bridgewater and Manziel will go before Carr because of what we've heard on TV or read on news-aggregator Web sites, but "strange" things happen on Draft Day because teams simply think differently at times.

Also, the notion that the Raiders absolutely won't select a quarterback at No. 5 because of the Matt Schaub trade is completely ridiculous. A signal-caller is definitely in play here, thanks to the new CBA. Having said that, Oakland will be dying to trade down, as it probably thinks it can acquire Carr by sliding several slots (like last year when they wanted D.J. Hayden badly and were able to fall into the teens to get him). I'm not so sure Carr will be available in the teens anymore, but the Raiders might be willing to take that chance.
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http://network.yardbarker.com/nfl/a...70?refmod=backyard&refdst=3092&refsrc=bloguin
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WalterFootball.com now has Carr as the #2 QB after Bortles, and has him going to Oakland as the 5th overall pick in the Draft.
Carr is moving up as fast as Manziel is moving down, atleast according to some.
 
lol i found hulk75's twitter. Shockingly pimping his brother like he's the greatest thing since sliced bread.

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Darren Carr ‏@DCarr75
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IDEXAN said:
http://network.yardbarker.com/nfl/a...70?refmod=backyard&refdst=3092&refsrc=bloguin
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WalterFootball.com now has Carr as the #2 QB after Bortles, and has him going to Oakland as the 5th overall pick in the Draft.
Carr is moving up as fast as Manziel is moving down, atleast according to some.
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It's not really that surprising. Before his last bowl game, Carr was seen as a solid top 10 or even top 5 pick. He's the elite physical prospect in this class and is the only top prospect with more than an above average arm.

Carr basically has one glaring problem that keeps popping up and scaring people. He loses his poise when pressured causing his mechanics to break down and make bad decisions.
 
Goatcheese said:
Carr basically has one glaring problem that keeps popping up and scaring people. He loses his poise when pressured causing his mechanics to break down and make bad decisions.
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you know, that sounds vaguely familiar...
I know I've heard this before.
...gimme a minute, I'm sure it'll come to me...
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Goatcheese said:
It's not really that surprising. Before his last bowl game, Carr was seen as a solid top 10 or even top 5 pick. He's the elite physical prospect in this class and is the only top prospect with more than an above average arm.

Carr basically has one glaring problem that keeps popping up and scaring people. He loses his poise when pressured causing his mechanics to break down and make bad decisions.
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But........... But.......... But.............

A good QB coach can fix those faults. LOL

If the Carr's only had the sack to match their god given abilities..........

I like the .............. thingy.
 
7. The Browns and Derek Carr

They love him. They really love him. The feeling with many in football is that Cleveland will take Carr with its 26th pick. Other quarterbacks are rising quickly, but he might be rising the fastest. He has charmed almost every team he's met with and his arm and accuracy are underrated. And no one seems to be scared of the fact he's related to epic draft bust David Carr, a notion that was definitely in play just a few months ago.
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Been watching some of draftbreakdown's footage of the USC game.

I don't think Carr was that bad. USC was all over there gameplay in that game.

Carr wasn't too skittish from what I saw and through balls into good aces where only his guy had a play on most plays.

I think his scheme limited his opportunities to show all the throws but he certainly has the arm for it.
 
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