We know that Cal is easily convinced about what he wants to do. We've seen it happen. If Caserio can't convince Cal to not do something stupid, Caserio is not the guy we need as GM.And if your boss gives you an order you do what?
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We know that Cal is easily convinced about what he wants to do. We've seen it happen. If Caserio can't convince Cal to not do something stupid, Caserio is not the guy we need as GM.And if your boss gives you an order you do what?
He didn't hire McCown. That may have been stupid. Hiring Lovie wasn't stupid when you were predicting 7-10 wins from this joke of a football team.We know that Cal is easily convinced about what he wants to do. We've seen it happen. If Caserio can't convince Cal to not do something stupid, Caserio is not the guy we need as GM.
As I've said numerous times, don't try to relate real life to the NFL.And if your boss gives you an order you do what?
So who is a real GM that isn't a facilitator? Who is a real GM that doesn't defer to the owner? And don't come back with Belicheck because that is not average NFL eitherAs I've said numerous times, don't try to relate real life to the NFL.
As far as Caserio is concerned, his job description according to the hiring presser was to be in charge of football operations. That appears not to be the case. Caserio also has a guaranteed contract. He could have hired his guy as head coach and forced Cal to like it or fire him. And pay the remaining $$$ on the contract.
But, he didn't. Because Caserio is not really in charge. He's not a real GM. Basically, he's doing the same job here that he was doing for Belichick. Facilitating. Deferring to the owner and/or the HC. An errand boy.
I do not think doing what your employer tells you to do against your own personal opinion necessarily makes you a errand boy and I would think he made his opinion known.Then Caserio is an errand boy and not a GM. And the point that the Texans need a real GM remains.
Preach!I can blame HC hirings on him when candidates are pulling themselves out of the running because Nick won’t let them hire their own staff.
Reid,McVeigh, there are quite a few of them, honestly. I would've hired Dorsey when they had the opening and let him compile the talent like he did in numerous places, without questions vs a guy who you didn't know know who were picking players in NE. Posters don't think I don't like Caserio just because I don't agree with everything he does,but he deserves blame because he was the gm just like Casserly and Smith who both worked under a owner stepping in. Bob was like, we need a qb before they went down the 6'8 qb train that flamed out. They realized the mistake, gave up a pick and paid money to get rid of the mistake. Even in the flameout of Brock, it was clear, the roster needed a qb in the worse way not the way bob was recycling holdover qbs. Caserio has been solid, nothing spectacular. If he ever gets the coaching and qb right ,his grade goes up. If he doesn't, he's going to be like Chris Ballard of the Colts who is working under another meddling owner and qb wash cycles.So who is a real GM that isn't a facilitator? Who is a real GM that doesn't defer to the owner? And don't come back with Belicheck because that is not average NFL either
edit: I don't guess any Houston team has ever had a real GM so I don't know what they are supposed to look like. Tex Schramm maybe?
Until leading up to the draft, we never heard of Stingley in the mix. Then Nick starts talking about risk vs reward of a player with injury history, then it started being repeated by Lovie. Personally, just watching last years tape, Gardner looked more like a lovie type of corner more than Stingley. Tall,long, physical guy who can play zone and man was more Sauce than Stingley. It was no different than Caserio drafting 2 injured guys in the 1st 3 picks . It will play out and I'm certain posters will continue to post about that decision.He told Nick that he preferred Stingley over Sauce and Nick went along with what Lovie wanted because Nick didn't know they types of players needed to run Lovie's defense. That's the smart thing to do IMHO and exactly what I would've done if I was in Nick's shoes. They both looked pretty happy with the Harris pick and that was probably who Lovie wanted, for the same reasons. It's called alignment between the GM/HC and it's long overdue down on Kirby.
Do you really think Caserio picked Lovie's staff? You didn't answer that question. BTW, what is it specifically that you dont like about Caserio?
After the Bill O'Brien plus the DeShaun Watson tornadoes that destroyed this team I cannot blame the mcnairs and I personally believe it's Janice not so much her son. Trying to clean up the manure those two left. Easterby is gone and everyone is at least okay with that. I am not against car stereo continuing depending on the head coach that replaces Lovie Smith and the sooner the better.Casserio is a symptom of a larger disease, but he is not the disease itself.
He is almost irrelevant. This is why Granny and Jethro hired Jack Easterbunny. You could hire the Indian from One flew over the Cuckoo's nest and be just as well off.
Granny and Jethro pick the HC making sure he's a nice boy and raised up right. Nick picks the assistants after making sure they are sufficiently part of the right culture. Gotta check with Jethro on that once he is done playing video games.
Granny, Jethro, and the assistants pick all the players. Get a few nice boys that pray and that winning thing will take care of itself.
Nick is just there to facilitate it all. He's a paper shuffler, a file clerk, and a yes man all rolled into one. In short, he's perfect for this org.
Speaking only for myself I would have much less time here if Janice McNair had agreed to my offer to buy the team for a dollar a month. I would be out trying to find a head coach and probably even more time on mock drafts if that's possible.Why are some of you even spending your time on here?
Joe Douglas - JetsSo who is a real GM that isn't a facilitator?
Neither Reid nor McVeigh are GM's. If Texans had been around a bit longer and managed to win a super bowl, perhaps that Super Bowl winning HC could have the power you think they do but I doubt it with the McNairs owning the team. And you yourself are even acknowledging the McNairs interfere so expecting Caserio to disregard their wishes is ludicrousReid,McVeigh, there are quite a few of them, honestly.
So you're saying none of those can be fired for displeasing their owner? Aren't the McNairs meddlesome and the franchise younger than any?Joe Douglas - Jets
Brandon Beane - Bills
Howie Roseman - Eagles
Mickey Loomis - Saints
John Lynch - Niners
There are another 5 teams where the HC has the final, unimpeachable authority within their organizations. The rest have meddling owners or immature front offices early in their tenure.
When Payton was with Saints, he had final say, not Loomis. Reid has final say in KC, so does Shanny with 49ers, and McVeigh with Rams. One of the reason McVeigh isn't in Dallas is because Jones wouldn't give him control over the 53. Shanny basically hired Lynch the same way Kubes hired Smith. Daboll basically hired the gm there also, he hand picked the guy. McDaniels in did the same in LV. It happens alot nowadays. Sometimes it works, sometimes it don't. You heard how many times BOB talked about being aligned when he worked under Smith. When Smith was fired or relieved of duty or whatever you call it, he hand picked Gaine to be aligned with him since they had worked before in the past or had a previous relationship. Little did he know the culture coach had other ideas. This is not my opinion, this is a known fact, look it up.So you're saying none of those can be fired for displeasing their owner? Aren't the McNairs meddlesome and the franchise younger than any?
Until leading up to the draft, we never heard of Stingley in the mix. Then Nick starts talking about risk vs reward of a player with injury history, then it started being repeated by Lovie. Personally, just watching last years tape, Gardner looked more like a lovie type of corner more than Stingley. Tall,long, physical guy who can play zone and man was more Sauce than Stingley. It was no different than Caserio drafting 2 injured guys in the 1st 3 picks . It will play out and I'm certain posters will continue to post about that decision.
Yes, but we are talking the McNairs here... perhaps if Caserio gets the chance to be here awhile he can start talking Janice and Cal out of making rash decisions and letting him have control. But to expect that from him in his second year isn't logical. Bob McNair never gave anyone that kind of control so neither will Janice/CalWhen Payton was with Saints, he had final say, not Loomis. Reid has final say in KC, so does Shanny with 49ers, and McVeigh with Rams. One of the reason McVeigh isn't in Dallas is because Jones wouldn't give him control over the 53. Shanny basically hired Lynch the same way Kubes hired Smith. Daboll basically hired the gm there also, he hand picked the guy. McDaniels in did the same in LV. It happens alot nowadays. Sometimes it works, sometimes it don't. You heard how many times BOB talked about being aligned when he worked under Smith. When Smith was fired or relieved of duty or whatever you call it, he hand picked Gaine to be aligned with him since they had worked before in the past or had a previous relationship. Little did he know the culture coach had other ideas. This is not my opinion, this is a known fact, look it up.
Yes, but we are talking the McNairs here... perhaps if Caserio gets the chance to be here awhile he can start talking Janice and Cal out of making rash decisions and letting him have control. But to expect that from him in his second year isn't logical. Bob McNair never gave anyone that kind of control so neither will Janice/Cal
As I've said numerous times, don't try to relate real life to the NFL.
As far as Caserio is concerned, his job description according to the hiring presser was to be in charge of football operations. That appears not to be the case. Caserio also has a guaranteed contract. He could have hired his guy as head coach and forced Cal to like it or fire him. And pay the remaining $$$ on the contract.
But, he didn't. Because Caserio is not really in charge. He's not a real GM. Basically, he's doing the same job here that he was doing for Belichick. Facilitating. Deferring to the owner and/or the HC. An errand boy.
First, all 32 teams are being sued in the Flores lawsuit. It was not avoided by the Texans by hiring Lovie. It's a narrative someone came up with and stuck here.A boss is a boss. And if that boss will get sued based on your decision he is going to tell you what to do and you will do it.
And to die on that hill for that decision is dumb.
31 other owners would force their GM to make the same decision to avoid a lawsuit.
They gave Bill O’Brien control and look what happened. So we can expect things like that JB.Yes, but we are talking the McNairs here... perhaps if Caserio gets the chance to be here awhile he can start talking Janice and Cal out of making rash decisions and letting him have control. But to expect that from him in his second year isn't logical. Bob McNair never gave anyone that kind of control so neither will Janice/Cal
Yes but the cult leader is gone now. I'm convinced he had them brain washedThey gave Bill O’Brien control and look what happened. So we can expect things like that JB.
And to think back on that and think "wow, look at this team! We are actually gonna win this thing!" Then Lucy pulled the football back and they fell on their butts again! Miserable since then.
And you still haven't said what you would do differently than what Caserio's done with the lack of draft capital he had the 1st yr, or the lack of cap space that took a couple of yrs to cleanup? What you've done very well is b!tch and moan. What good does that accomplish?Your "marriage" seems to be to the GM and the new head coach who has been here for some time. My "marriage" is to the team and its history which got us into this position of no draft picks no decent free agents Etc. I'm sure you are as frustrated as I; I'm just tired of hearing excuses when things do not seem to get better but get worse. We were told it would get better in the last year of o'brien. DeShaun Watson was not the only stinking Apple in this Barrel . We were resigned but hopeful under the one year dude. Now we're in second year of a rebuilding program and already discussing a new head coach with another 5-year plan. I get it but I don't want to get it anymore. Sometimes when you know you need to have a bowel movement and you hold it that decision ends up in a mess. Yet the Texans seem to do this exact same thing repeatedly.
I have much more to say but I'm not. My rant is not directed at you Texans Bull but I took the opportunity.
You'd think that people expected more out of this rebuilding team. Didn't most predict maybe 4-5 wins at most? Just wanting the team to be competitive and not blown out repeatedly like last year? Now they are acting like this team should be playoff contenders but are failing at itAnd you still haven't said what you would do differently than what Caserio's done with the lack of draft capital he had the 1st yr, or the lack of cap space that took a couple of yrs to cleanup? What you've done very well is b!tch and moan. What good does that accomplish?
I say this knowing that Caserio didn't draft the way I wanted him to draft the last yr (Neal/Davis/Sam Williams) and knowing the team would be further a long if he had. Still you dont see me b!tching and moaning.
We know that Cal is easily convinced about what he wants to do. We've seen it happen. If Caserio can't convince Cal to not do something stupid, Caserio is not the guy we need as GM.
Why would you categorize the Texans as dysfunctional prior to the debacle of the last 3 or 4 years? It was never anything special but I don’t quite see dysfunctional as the right term.He couldn't changed Cal's mind on hiring Lovie.
In fact no GM has ever been able to change the McNair's minds when it comes to hiring HC's. This is a McNair staple that's unlikely to change. We're all hoping after the last 2 HC search fiasco's that Cal finally lets Caserio pick his own HC. Although I'm guessing that's unlikely to happen and members on TT will continue to speculate who's to blame, like what's been going on down on Kirby for the last 2 decades. The true source of the dysfunction in the Texans org comes from the McNair's and that's unlikely to change anytime soon. Even as Caserio adds talent and the team improves the dysfunction will remain as long as the McNair's own the team.
As I've said numerous times, don't try to relate real life to the NFL.
As far as Caserio is concerned, his job description according to the hiring presser was to be in charge of football operations. That appears not to be the case. Caserio also has a guaranteed contract. He could have hired his guy as head coach and forced Cal to like it or fire him. And pay the remaining $$$ on the contract.
But, he didn't. Because Caserio is not really in charge. He's not a real GM. Basically, he's doing the same job here that he was doing for Belichick. Facilitating. Deferring to the owner and/or the HC. An errand boy.
Preach!
Reid,McVeigh, there are quite a few of them, honestly. I would've hired Dorsey when they had the opening and let him compile the talent like he did in numerous places, without questions vs a guy who you didn't know know who were picking players in NE. Posters don't think I don't like Caserio just because I don't agree with everything he does,but he deserves blame because he was the gm just like Casserly and Smith who both worked under a owner stepping in. Bob was like, we need a qb before they went down the 6'8 qb train that flamed out. They realized the mistake, gave up a pick and paid money to get rid of the mistake. Even in the flameout of Brock, it was clear, the roster needed a qb in the worse way not the way bob was recycling holdover qbs. Caserio has been solid, nothing spectacular. If he ever gets the coaching and qb right ,his grade goes up. If he doesn't, he's going to be like Chris Ballard of the Colts who is working under another meddling owner and qb wash cycles.
Why would you categorize the Texans as dysfunctional prior to the debacle of the last 3 or 4 years? It was never anything special but I don’t quite see dysfunctional as the right term.
You think Culley hired his own staff?So you think Caserio hired Lovie's staff? LMAO
Like I said, not the guy we need.He couldn't changed Cal's mind on hiring Lovie.
In fact no GM has ever been able to change the McNair's minds when it comes to hiring HC's.
You think Culley and Lovie are comparable?You think Culley hired his own staff?
Shut yo mouth!We need an Easterboy/Casterio Borge type conglomerate
Like I said, not the guy we need.
Easterboy was able to play Cal like a fiddle, long enough to ruin the team for years.
We need an Easterboy/Casterio Borge type conglomerate
Again, they were going to hire McCown & thought it was their idea.Again, the McNair's always hire the HC's. You're not going to change the way they do business.
Janice and Easterby were until Cal threw a fit.Again, they were going to hire McCown & thought it was their idea.
Cal was in on it until the lawsuit & political correctness took precedent.Janice and Easterby were until Cal threw a fit.
Gannon withdrew when told Caserio would be hiring his coaching staff and be in charge of all player personnel. That’s when Daniel Calhoun had to step in put an end to this charade.Janice and Easterby were until Cal threw a fit.
Caserio wanted Gannon.
Cal was in on it until the lawsuit & political correctness took precedent.
This is what I'm saying. We need someone to tell the McNairs what to think (like Easterboy) who knows how to run a team (presumably Casterio)
I think you've got a case of wishful thinking, since you didn't like the Caserio hire from the beginning.
I 1st started noticing the dysfunction in 2010.
The McNair's overruling their football people on who they could and couldn't draft/add in FA.
You're admitting the Texans dysfunction, that Caserio doesn't have final say in personnel, and can't hire who he wants as head coach. But I'm the one that has a case of "wishful thinking" because I can see Caserio isn't a full fledged GM?Janice and Easterby were until Cal threw a fit.
Caserio wanted Gannon.
Gannon withdrew when told Caserio would be hiring his coaching staff and be in charge of all player personnel. That’s when Daniel Calhoun had to step in put an end to this charade.
Each component brought in a guy or two.So you think Caserio hired Lovie's staff? LMAO
You're admitting the Texans dysfunction, that Caserio doesn't have final say in personnel, and can't hire who he wants as head coach. But I'm the one that has a case of "wishful thinking" because I can see Caserio isn't a full fledged GM?
Why would I wish for Cal to be making football decisions? When has he ever made a good one?
They gave Bill O’Brien control and look what happened. So we can expect things like that JB.
One simple thought here, don’t want to hijack the thread….Yes but the cult leader is gone now. I'm convinced he had them brain washed
Each component brought in a guy or two.
Why would I wish for Cal to be making football decisions? When has he ever made a good one?
All you've done is amplify why Caserio is not a real GM. He's a guy who works in personnel. Just like he was in Foxboro.Caserio isn't told who he cant pick. He's told he cant pick guys like Hill or trade for Hunt etc....
All you've done is amplify why Caserio is not a real GM. He's a guy who works in personnel. Just like he was in Foxboro.
Indeed lol but that offense is better than the Texans offense.One simple thought here, don’t want to hijack the thread….
But man, Alabamas offense is garbage now